From the Beginning.......The Entire Documented build of Fastbird's T/A

[Fastbird]

The pics says it all. So it begins..........





I'm waiting on another pic to show up from my phone and I'll post it too.

[AChotrod]

Im liking this thread already!!!:metal:

[JoeliusZ28]

thats a hell of a good start!

[Fastbird]

Well my damn phone isn't emailing the other pic for some reason (Thanks Verizon) but I got the harness run through the firewall tonight, and got the power and grounds all connected. Having a bag of 100 uninsulated butted seam 18-22 ga butt connectors makes for quick splicing, and I'm using a cheap but decent crimper for weather pack terminals that actually dose a decent job. Decided NOT to solder because I don't want to subject the stock wiring to the heat required.

Just doing to do a little bit each night, probably have it wired by the end of the weekend. Then I'll probably start working on swapping the K-Member and A-Arms.

[RealQuick]

:secret: Nice to see ya working on the car again :)

[Z28pr0jekt]

LOL mine was started 4 months ago and you'll probably still finish first

[Phstratton]

I look forward to updates :D

[QC97Z]

Looks pretty good so far...
I can't wait to start on my build!
Any real advantage to changing the K-member or front control arms? I'm not planning on autocrossing mine or anything....
Or is it just a weight thing for you?

[AChotrod]

I did it because the weight plus it looks cool.

[Fastbird]

Looks pretty good so far...
I can't wait to start on my build!
Any real advantage to changing the K-member or front control arms? I'm not planning on autocrossing mine or anything....
Or is it just a weight thing for you?

Weight and clearance.

[Tony Shepherd]

:secret: Nice to see ya working on the car again :)


you need to build me a twin turbo kit mister.

Sean.........glad to see you on it! Keep us posted!

[Fastbird]

you need to build me a twin turbo kit mister.

Sean.........glad to see you on it! Keep us posted!

Jon-see above. DO THAT. :D

Tony, I said I was going to be ready for the shootout this year, and I meant it.

Made a handfull of connections tonight. Using the hand power only crimper is a f-ing KILLER on my hands. Only have about 25 more connections, and I know that about 14 or so are for injectors and WBO2, so the primary stuff is mostly there. Got to get the right connector for the WBO2 in, and get some proper wire to extend the fuel harness wires so I can get them farther, but probably won't finish either of those until the motor is in the car so I can make sure there's no excess as I want to have everything cleanly installed as well as functional.

Below is a pic of the tangle I'm dealing with. :D

[Neil350]

Nice Sean! Great to see the car moving forward.

[RealQuick]

you need to build me a twin turbo kit mister.

Sean.........glad to see you on it! Keep us posted!

Tony, let me know. I fired up the miller tig welder yesterday and started playing. Good thing too... my Lincoln pro Mig shit the bed yesterday!

[941le]

that looks like a nightmare. But im horribly with wiring

[Fastbird]

that looks like a nightmare. But im horribly with wiring

It's actually not that bad. The instructions included with the fast track were pretty dang precise (I went wire by wire against the service manual and everything checked out), but it had a couple of snags that I had to get creative with mainly being the Fans and A/C Idle Up control capability. Easy fixes if you know what's needed and what you're looking for though.

Haven't worked on it in a couple of days. Still trying to get Brian Macy to get me the connector that was missing from my wiring harness, and need a couple of the FAST connector pins to make a couple of extra needed connections. And have to get some 16 gauge wiring to extend the WBO2 and Fuel Injector harnesses though I may put those off until the motor is sitting in the engine bay again.

[Fastbird]

Ok, got out there tonight for some more work. Ended up spending $30 on various colors or wire so I can extend the WBO2 and Injector harnesses, and only got 6 of the 9 colors I needed, but it's enough to make do without confusing myself (masking tape and labeling FTW).

But, before I started extending those, I got sidetracked with relooming the engine harness once I Pulled the OEM injector wiring out of it and saw how jacked all the loom is. So, I started going to town on it, relooming and removing things I don't need any more by removing the plug and capping the wire (O2 wiring, Oil Level, EGR, AIR Pump, Canister Purge, ect). Going to look MUCH better.

More work happening tomorrow.

[Flyinz]

Atta boy! Every little bit helps.

[MeanGreen94Z]

Sean im proud, lol, i cant even get the motivation to pull my trans out :(... and Jon i got the chance to install one of your kits this weekend :) all together very good fitment, everything but the knock sensor fit!

[Fastbird]

I hear you with the motivation. I'm trying to get the motivation to get out there tonight but it's been a long day and I'm freaking tired.

[Fastbird]

Well, got out there and finished all the primary connections to the factory wiring harness. Ran a wire for the A/C idle up feed and have it ready to extend the WBO2 and Injector harnesses. Still need to reloom the passenger side engine harness, but that's it. Waiting on pins and WBO2 connector to show up from Brian Macy.

[Speed Density]

Move your ass.

[Tony Shepherd]

Move your ass.

yea....what he said.:cool:

[Fastbird]

I can only do so much. One, I can't really complete the injector and WBO2 harnesses until the motor is in so I know how long to make them (just going to extend each like 6' and call it good for the time being). Besides, I've got all winter to tinker on it.

[Fire67]

Looks like fun... Welcome to my world, Im just finishing completely re-wiring a Mustang. Brand new wiring from the tailights to the headlights, including the EFI system.

Anyway, just keep that motivation level up as much as possible!

[Fastbird]

Oh good lord man, a complete rewire?? F-THAT.

I'm irritated. Not one store local to me sells 18 gauge ORANGE primary wire. I'm trying to extend some stuff and I'm missing orange only. My fault because I forgot about it when I made an order earlier this week from Waytek, but I'm not paying for a single 100' spool and shipping. I just can't believe that 18 gauge primary wiring is THAT hard to come by.

Got the majority of the extension harness for the injectors set up yesterday. Probably going to get those wired tonight and do the extension for the WBO2 also. This way I can pull everything in and start buttoning the computer stuff up.

[Fastbird]

Ok, good progress tonight!!! Officially, the computer is 90% done. I extended the WBO2 and Injector harnesses, and got the carpet and seat test fit back in with the stock computer bolted in place. Pics are below. IGNORE THE DIRTY CARPET. I know it's trashed, but that's on the list down the road to be replaced.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1650.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1651.jpg

Stock computer in place, you can see the two fresh black looms with the WBO2 and Injector harnesses inside heading towards the car center.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1652.jpg

The wreck of my working.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1653.jpg

Seat all the way forward, computer safe and sound.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1654.jpg

All the way back.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1655.jpg

All the way back, ain't nothing gonna hurt it there.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1657.jpg


As for these other pics.......that shits enough to make me quit for one night. Which I did last week, cause he disappeared on my ass and I wanted nothing to do with that fokker. WTF is all I can say.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1619.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1620.jpg

Anyone know what kind of spider that was. It was NOT a recluse, too big.

[Z28pr0jekt]

he's missing a leg

[Fastbird]

he's missing a leg

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Holy crap! I didn't even notice that at the time...............



I was too busy drying my lap off. He appeared RIGHT next to me, and I actually jumped up and hollered. I don't like spiders.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Wolf Spider
http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/zoology/spiders/gallery.html?RollID=roll01&FrameID=hellulo

or Forrest Wolf Spider
http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/zoology/spiders/gallery.html?RollID=roll01&FrameID=gulosa

[Fastbird]

Wolf Spider
http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/zoology/spiders/gallery.html?RollID=roll01&FrameID=hellulo

or Forrest Wolf Spider
http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/zoology/spiders/gallery.html?RollID=roll01&FrameID=gulosa

Ok, I'm set for nightmares tonight. I'm going to have a phobia of getting in that car now too. :D

[Z28pr0jekt]

Lol yea, he's a creepy looking bastard

P.s. I have a spider living in my car vents somewhere and everytime I see him I try and grab a napkin or something to kill him... when I turn back around he's always gone lol

[popo8]

THAT IS THE UGLIEST THING EVER.... shivers.....


And as for the carpet... try this... take a clean white rag.... drench it in laquor thinner and put some elbow grease in it... you will be suprised when you are done.... and no... it wont mess up the carpet....

[Z28pr0jekt]

THAT IS THE UGLIEST THING EVER.... shivers.....


And as for the carpet... try this... take a clean white rag.... drench it in laquor thinner and put some elbow grease in it... you will be suprised when you are done.... and no... it wont mess up the carpet....


Considering the interior is apart or somewhat apart it might be a good idea to just do that now or pick up a carpet

http://www.speedinc.com/catagory.cfm?catagory=Interior%20/%20Safety

[Fastbird]

Considering the interior is apart or somewhat apart it might be a good idea to just do that now or pick up a carpet

http://www.speedinc.com/catagory.cfm?catagory=Interior%20/%20Safety

WOW. I wasn't aware that SpeedInc was carrying that stuff. I probably would jump on it, but that's not a necessity right now. I can live with the dirty carpet for now, and once the car is running I"ll start tidying up the little things.

[popo8]

WOW. I wasn't aware that SpeedInc was carrying that stuff. I probably would jump on it, but that's not a necessity right now. I can live with the dirty carpet for now, and once the car is running I"ll start tidying up the little things.


try my way... cheaper.....

[Neil350]

I hate spiders. Sean, so the XFI has all the stuff for a/c? I want to put mine back in.

[Fastbird]

I hate spiders. Sean, so the XFI has all the stuff for a/c? I want to put mine back in.

Kinda. Would it work and control the factory A/C??? Probably because all it has is a A/C Clutch Control circuit and an A/C Idle Up feature. How you'd make it work I don't know. Piggy backed with the stock computer, it's going to work fine, I only had to attach one wire to send a signal to the FAST XFI for the idle up feature.

[Fastbird]

Ok, passenger side harness is reloomed, so being done with that, I pulled the motor out and got it on the stand. Tomorrow I'm going to spend some time starting to mock things up on the motor but there's not going to be too much work......it's football day! I'll at least have the K-Member on it and probably have the turbo kit somewhat mocked up, and YES, there will be pics.

[Fastbird]

Ok, the good and the bad:

The good:

Engine is kiddo approved:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1671.jpg

and this is what a garage should look like:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1669.jpg

The bad???? Houston we have a problem. Interference issues between the motor mount bracket, oil pan, and crossover pipe on the drivers side:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1677.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1678.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1679.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1680.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1681.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1682.jpg

I'm emailing Jon about the issue, but I don't think it's going to be a pipe fix because that's a noticeable pinch point right there. So now the question beckons: Do I dare grind the lip off of that bracket for clearance purposes??? I could probably borrow a friends mig and weld a brace in there to help, but do I dare do all that?

After a quick search it looks like a UMI K-Member has much more clearance........anyone interested in a BMR K-Member?

[Fixxer99TA]

Looking good man, always something though isnt it?

So the UMI should solve your problem?

[Fastbird]

I would think the UMI would solve the problem, but I'm not sure.

[dsmawd350]

I went with a PA racing K member and a motor plate :) plenty of room

[Fastbird]

Update:

First, I checked to see if the crossover pipe would fit around the pan, take the K-Member out of the equation? In one word, YES. NICELY DONE JON!!! He did this without a Milodon pan in his hands, just measurements from me. Mad skills yo.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1683.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1684.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1690.jpg

So, now let's tackle the K-Member issues. That's a pretty thick flange on there, so I busted out the grinder and saw what I could do. Here's the interference, and proposed metal removal:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1693.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1695.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1697.jpg

And after lots and lots of grinding, I have room to spare with the motor hanging there, so once it's actually loaded on the mounts, clearance should only get better. My only worry is mount flex under load, but I should be able to drop the crossover pipe and grind more with everything in the car.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1714.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1715.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1716.jpg

So, I mocked up the entire kit. I ran into ONE snag, and that's clearance on the passenger motor mount due to support bracket positioning. I might be able to open the bracket holes, but I'm going to talk to Jon about a new bracket also.

Bracket:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1709.jpg

Clearance issue at mount:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1707.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1708.jpg

It looks like the up pipe just needs to be pushed over to the drivers side some, which is why I Mention a new bracket because I don't think I can elongate the holes enough to accomodate.

Overall pics --
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1706.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1710.jpg

OUTSTANDING GROUND CLEARANCE. I was extremely pleased by this.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1713.jpg

[Huff035]

That car is going to be sick, I still love the vette though...

[Fastbird]

That car is going to be sick, I still love the vette though...

Haha, thanks man. I do have to stop and think about how good I have it sometimes, and looking at these pics that has never rang so true.

[Huff035]

So what are you going to do about an intercooler? Please don't tell me there will be cutting of the front bumper involved?

[Fastbird]

Nope, no cutting. Probably going to try to mount the intercooler horizontally. I know there won't be enough airflow with it standing up. I already have the 31x12x4 ebay intercooler......and I'll be supplementing with a big dual nozzle shot of meth when it's under full boost.

[Huff035]

Guessing the little side intercoolers that are commonly used with prochargers on T/A's wouldnt be sufficient? Thats kind of what I'm hoping I'll be able to use.

[Z28pr0jekt]

how hard was it for you to get your hub on?

[Fastbird]

Guessing the little side intercoolers that are commonly used with prochargers on T/A's wouldnt be sufficient? Thats kind of what I'm hoping I'll be able to use.

Those aren't that efficient. If you can make the LS1 4.5" ones fit you'll be ok, but the LT1 3.5" cores are sub-par.


how hard was it for you to get your hub on?

Didn't put that on, motor was shipped that way. It's a double keyed hub/pulley assembly so I presume it wasn't too bad to put on.

[RealQuick]

Thanks Sean for the kind words. Who would have thought that mocking it up on a stock K, would cause interference with a tubular K???

Can you grind on the factory motor mount for clearance? not sure how off it is. It definitely fit with clearance on the mockup... did you try loosening all 4 turbo bolts, the suport bracket bolts, and the two 3" vbands leading up to the turbo. Rotate the pipe a little for some clearance, then start tightning the hardware sometimes it takes some finaggling to get it lined up the way you want. Let me know what happens as i will definitely help to get it the way you want!

BTW, those hotparts will look super with some coating!

[Fastbird]

I did a lot of tweaking on it last night but I'm going to give it another shot tonight. More pics to follow. The hot parts are definitely going to be coated given they're already showing surface rust.......money is a driving factor there because that's going to be around $350 to do everything unless I get a local hook-up.

[CALL911]

Looks good Sean, and it brings a smile to my face knowing your finally making progress on this :)

I know it would be a pain, but have you though about getting new shaped hot parts to make the clearance rather than cut out part of the structure that is meant to hold your motor in place? In the long run, I think it would be the better choice.

You may want to get some heat wrap for the hot parts on top of getting it coated. Coated to non-coated IMO does very little for cooling (I think someone even proved this with a heat gun once), however it will help prolong the rust. I have some heat wrap on my headers for my Z for a plug wire I can't move anywhere else, and the plug wire lays on the heat wrap and is not hot enough to melt it. It may look ugly, but heat wrap does a great job.

[Fastbird]

You're preaching to the choir Ben. Already planned on wrapping the hot parts, but being mild steel, they HAVE to be coated if I'm going to wrap them. Moisture retention and mild steel with no inside/outside coating = rust and subsequent short life failure.

I'm comfortable with the K-Member work I did. That is 1/4" plate steel in there, the little bit I took off isn't going to cause a failure, this is after showing what I did to a guy who builds circle track cars that I know here, and he concurred.

No pics, but with some minor mods to the support bracket I was able to get about 1/4-1/2" clearance on the passenger motor mount. It may tap it if it flexes enough, but I don't think it will because it took a lot of force for me to get it to move that far.

Motor has been 90% mocked up in the major area's. I've had the turbo kit on along with all the potential clearance issue front accessories, and there's zero issues other than turning the oil cooler port on the water pump (which was a PITA given that I had to break the powdercoat covering it).

I'm done for tonight, but tomorrow I'm going to pull it all down to the motor and either start buttoning up the motor or swapping in the K-Member......don't know which one yet.

[RealQuick]

Awesome Sean. Can't wait to see some pics. With the tubular K, how big of a DP could we have fit?

[CALL911]

You're preaching to the choir Ben. Already planned on wrapping the hot parts, but being mild steel, they HAVE to be coated if I'm going to wrap them. Moisture retention and mild steel with no inside/outside coating = rust and subsequent short life failure.

I'm comfortable with the K-Member work I did. That is 1/4" plate steel in there, the little bit I took off isn't going to cause a failure, this is after showing what I did to a guy who builds circle track cars that I know here, and he concurred.

No pics, but with some minor mods to the support bracket I was able to get about 1/4-1/2" clearance on the passenger motor mount. It may tap it if it flexes enough, but I don't think it will because it took a lot of force for me to get it to move that far.

Motor has been 90% mocked up in the major area's. I've had the turbo kit on along with all the potential clearance issue front accessories, and there's zero issues other than turning the oil cooler port on the water pump (which was a PITA given that I had to break the powdercoat covering it).

I'm done for tonight, but tomorrow I'm going to pull it all down to the motor and either start buttoning up the motor or swapping in the K-Member......don't know which one yet.

Nice :D

Aren't you worried then about something that hot getting close to metal to metal contact? (Just playing worst case scenario to the only guy on the planet that can rival my bad luck in cars)

[RealQuick]

Nice :D

Aren't you worried then about something that hot getting close to metal to metal contact?

I am confused by this comment Ben. You talking about wiring melting, or? Its the metal to metal that is confusing me when I read it.

[AChotrod]

Looks great Sean!!! Keep up the good work!! I just finished my cam swap and this makes me want to do something else now. LOL!

[Fastbird]

Awesome Sean. Can't wait to see some pics. With the tubular K, how big of a DP could we have fit?

I was just looking at this last night. I honestly think a 4" DP would have easily fit. I'll try to get some pics tonight, I'm going to snag some gaskets quick like and test fit everything with those before pulling it all down and dropping the K into the car.

Ben, I am concerned on the clearance issue areas about metal to metal contact, but I won't be running a knock sensor, so the worst thing to come of it would be dents and noise.

[CALL911]

I am confused by this comment Ben. You talking about wiring melting, or? Its the metal to metal that is confusing me when I read it.

I probably could have worded it better. I was concerned for the hot parts being that close to anything really. The metal it would touch might transfer the heat from the turbo hot parts. Best case scenario (which never ends up happening to Sean or I), the paint can't take the heat and comes off. I guess I was more concerned about anything else possibly getting too hot and melting or getting damaged, but Sean brings up a good point about knock and dents as well.

Anyone who might potentially read this, please note this is in no way shape or form to say anything negative about RealQuick's work. On the contrary, I think he is the #1 builder for any turbo parts you need for LT1's. If I ever get inclined to go the turbo LT1 route, I will be getting a setup from him and wouldn't even need to look elsewhere.




Ben, I am concerned on the clearance issue areas about metal to metal contact, but I won't be running a knock sensor, so the worst thing to come of it would be dents and noise.

Noise? :laugh: How the hell could you hear anything from the car beyond the exhaust? I think driving that damn thing from Jersey to Illinois almost cost me to fail my last hearing test for the Air Force! And that was when it was still NA. Its going to just flat out be retarded loud now :shiner:

[Fastbird]

Nah.....turbo is going to quieten it down.

Ok, here's the skinny for tonight (pics to come shortly, Nip/Tuck is on and I'm not going upstairs and missing it to download pics). Grabbed some stock replacement manifold gaskets and those helped out with the clearances a tad. What I did HAVE to do though is modify the support bracket further. But, what I've got now is clearance EVERYWHERE. :D Nothing should be hitting.

Jon, the stud that you're concerned about was on the bottom side of the mount correct?? What I'm going to do is remove the rear bracket that's on the A/C compressor and relocate that stud to the block port there that's left open. There's plenty of clearance and I was able to swing the up pipe over some to accommodate.

Also picked up a nifty little conversion part today. It's a coolant temp sensor that uses the same pigtail as the TPS, what you do is relocate the head CTS wire to the new pigtail, this way both the computer and the gauges read off of the same sensor. Write up on this will be in a separate thread and forthcoming.

[Z28pr0jekt]

turbo will definitely quiet it down dts300z has his turbo lt1 dumped out the front fender and my cc306/loudmouth motor was wayyyy louder

[Fastbird]

Nip/Tuck is over, so pics!!!1

Down Pipe Clearance (LOTS)
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1717.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1728.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1727.jpg

Stud that the grounds on the passenger side will be relocated to (Compressor bracket will be removed):
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1726.jpg

Passenger motor mount and Accessory bracket clearance:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1718.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1719.jpg

Support bracket modifications. I may try to make a new one that hard mounts both points just so there's ZERO chance of shaking free.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1721.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1722.jpg

Couple of overall pics:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1725.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1729.jpg

Question: Does anyone know, if I'm not going to reuse the oil cooler, can I simply block off the lower drivers side water pump fitting and the fitting that it went to on the radiator??? I'm hesitant to do this because I think it might act as part of the lower return system, but I'm not sure.

I'm also probably going to put a bung for the WBO2 in the top side of the downpipe just behind the turbo, or in the up pipe just prior to the turbo. I want it in an accessable location.

[Jose93z28]

Nice setup, Im glad to see it coming together looks like a lot of work but its coming along very nicely, Thanks for those fuel rails again they're working out great.

[RealQuick]

Question: Does anyone know, if I'm not going to reuse the oil cooler, can I simply block off the lower drivers side water pump fitting and the fitting that it went to on the radiator??? I'm hesitant to do this because I think it might act as part of the lower return system, but I'm not sure.


Sean, just rotate the spout to the 2 O'clock position so the line goes over the compressor housing. The line is long enough to then route down and connect at the bottom of the radiator.

[dsmawd350]

i pulled the fittings out and welded all the ports shut on my waterpump

[Ryan Stout]

On my setup, I just put a piece of pipe in the water port (same size as the ID of the port so I didn't just ovalize it), and slowly slowly twisted it to a 1-2o clock position, never leaked and works fine. Adding a touch of heat might help. Looks awesome, very nice garage.

[Fastbird]

On my setup, I just put a piece of pipe in the water port (same size as the ID of the port so I didn't just ovalize it), and slowly slowly twisted it to a 1-2o clock position, never leaked and works fine. Adding a touch of heat might help. Looks awesome, very nice garage.

That's how I turned mine Down. I'm going to aim it down that way I can pop the turbo out if I want without removing coolant hoses.

Trying to get the motivation to get out there and swap the K-Members tonight so I can powerwash the engine bay tomorrow since it's going to be nice.

[CALL911]

^ You gonna go all out and Zaino the engine bay after its powerwashed? I wish I would have with my car when the motor was out before.

[Fastbird]

^ You gonna go all out and Zaino the engine bay after its powerwashed? I wish I would have with my car when the motor was out before.

Negative, as the paint is thrashed from previous ownership. I just wanted to get all the damn grease out of there and that's not going to happen tomorrow anyway. One, I didn't get the powerwasher. Two....

I had to stop for the night. I can't get the damn lower ball joint to pop free on the passenger side lower A-Arm, so there's no point in continuing tonight as I'm at a high frustration level. No room to get a ball joint tool in, tie rod tool is too small, not enough room to get a proper hammer strike on the top of the stud, ect. FAWK.

[Fastbird]

Argh.....wife is asleep (sick). Kid is sleeping on the floor. Dog is sleeping at my feet. Cat (one of the 5) is sleeping next to me. And all I want to go is go bang on that ball joint some more.

First order tomorrow.....go get a pickle fork.

[CALL911]

^ lol, sounds like a good blues song.

Good luck man. If all else fails, go buy a torch and cut it out.

[Fastbird]

Don't know how much is going to happen today. Just had to cut some line lock brackets, and have a party to be at by 4 PM, so it's doubtful anything big happens today.

[CamaroZGuy]

Negative, as the paint is thrashed from previous ownership. I just wanted to get all the damn grease out of there and that's not going to happen tomorrow anyway. One, I didn't get the powerwasher. Two....

I had to stop for the night. I can't get the damn lower ball joint to pop free on the passenger side lower A-Arm, so there's no point in continuing tonight as I'm at a high frustration level. No room to get a ball joint tool in, tie rod tool is too small, not enough room to get a proper hammer strike on the top of the stud, ect. FAWK.

that ball joint is evil! when i did mine a few years ago i destroyed 3 air hammers and a fork trying to get it out!

awesome to see the bird slowly coming along

[96SilverRam]

Wow, I have missed a bunch on this build. You definitely have a nice project starting to shape up. So, you think a 4" DP will fit easily with a BMR K? It looks like it would from the K-member pic. What size turbo are you using ( T4 76mm ?). Nice work, more pics and info (now get back to work) :cool:

[Fastbird]

Wow, I have missed a bunch on this build. You definitely have a nice project starting to shape up. So, you think a 4" DP will fit easily with a BMR K? It looks like it would from the K-member pic. What size turbo are you using ( T4 76mm ?). Nice work, more pics and info (now get back to work) :cool:

Yah, I think a 4" would fit with some ovaling. Once I get it in car I'll know for sure.

Using a PT76GTS......non BB though. Didn't feel like paying the extra $$$$ for it.

No work until this weekend. Leaving town tomorrow through Saturday, wife was sick past two days, and I've been in charge of the kid. Tonight was spent knocking out a line lock kit to get shipped tomorrow.

[96SilverRam]

The ball bearing stuff always adds a substantial amount to the bottom line, sometimes the extra $ can really break a balanced build. What kind of #'s are you hoping for on low / high boost. Can you reveal the cam specs, just curious.

PS: I will try to post a pic of the back-side on the 58mm TB :D

[Fastbird]

The ball bearing stuff always adds a substantial amount to the bottom line, sometimes the extra $ can really break a balanced build. What kind of #'s are you hoping for on low / high boost. Can you reveal the cam specs, just curious.

PS: I will try to post a pic of the back-side on the 58mm TB :D

Cam was designed as a blower cam for my specific build, and after conferring with Bret Bauer we decided it would work well enough in the turbo setup, so be forwarned because it breaks conventional turbo cam thinking: 234/244, .610/.610, 110° LSA, and IIRC 108° ICL.

There's going to be no high and low boost settings. I'm shooting for aruond 18-20lbs of boost or as much as the turbo will push otherwise on pump gas/meth injection, and hoping to see north of 750 RWHP.

[96SilverRam]

Definitely not conventional, but should still make the power if your going to turn the wick up on it too, 20 psi. 750 rwhp will be a complete handful :devil:

[96SilverRam]

Another question, how is the plug access on the turbo shorty headers ?

[96SilverRam]

I'm going to need some updates on this project :D

[Fastbird]

Yah, I fail. Haven't touched it due to lack of time. That and it's been fawking cold in the garage. HOWEVER......

My MIL is coming into town Friday through Wednesady next week. I plan on a solid 1-2 day thrash to get the motor IN the car. More to come.

[popo8]

Maybe for christmas you ask for a bullet heater... that will keep you and the garage warm....

[Fraz]

Maybe for christmas you ask for a bullet heater... that will keep you and the garage warm....

What he said ! ! !

[Fastbird]

I should have bought one of those when I got my heater because those certainly are outstanding. I opted for the three burner propane heater instead. Works fairly well considering it'll heat up my 750 SF concrete floor garage to about 65* when it's sub 20* out.

[ksmyss]

I have a fairly large turbo heater and it works great but is loud. Soon as the garage is all drywalled I am going to add a hanging electric heater. My dad has 2 in his 30x50 shop and they work great.

[Fastbird]

Ok, just so you all know that I'm not just dicking around with Cam Lamps and Engine Coffee and End tables, I just did some work on the car today. Had to get those two blocks and heads out of the way first, hence the tables.

K-Member is out without any damage to anything.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/1219091516.jpg

Ghetto Fabulous rig for keeping the tension off of the rack:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/1219091516a.jpg

BMR K-Member in place and partially bolted in.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/1219091541.jpg

Got to mod a couple of things and figure out how to tie down the brake lines, but that's it really. Need to get the A-Arms installed and then I can swap the master cylinder out for the modded to adjustable stocker. Then......motor goes in.

[Fastbird]

Question: How difficult is bench bleeding a clutch master cylinder?? I have to swap in a modded stock clutch MC for the street twin and it's got to be bled obviously, something I've NOT done on the LT1 before. I get this knocked out/swapped out and the motor goes in.

[dsmawd350]

Im wondering why you didnt assemble the K-member and engine together and put them in from the bottom?

[Fastbird]

Im wondering why you didnt assemble the K-member and engine together and put them in from the bottom?

Didn't want to really. That and I'm limited on how far I can get the front of the car up in the air.

[AChotrod]

Question: How difficult is bench bleeding a clutch master cylinder?? I have to swap in a modded stock clutch MC for the street twin and it's got to be bled obviously, something I've NOT done on the LT1 before. I get this knocked out/swapped out and the motor goes in.
Its very easy to bleed the MC/slave. Also I just kind of bent my brake lines and zip tied them to the k-member.
PS you car looks goofy with the sway bar in there!!! lol JK!

[Fastbird]

Its very easy to bleed the MC/slave. Also I just kind of bent my brake lines and zip tied them to the k-member.
PS you car looks goofy with the sway bar in there!!! lol JK!

Sway bar stays! Street car. SO A/C and PS are staying too. :D

[AChotrod]

I have PS. lol

[Fastbird]

I have PS. lol

I didn't know you ditched your A/C???

[The SRZ]

Looking good Sean. You make me sick w/ all your toys. LOL! Any particular reason why you mounted your XFI box under the seat? Going for the stealth look? I had to see what mine was doing and that's why I put on the ps kick panel. Dead giveaway but oh well. :D

[AChotrod]

I didn't know you ditched your A/C???
A/C is for fat people :shiner: lol

[Fastbird]

Looking good Sean. You make me sick w/ all your toys. LOL! Any particular reason why you mounted your XFI box under the seat? Going for the stealth look? I had to see what mine was doing and that's why I put on the ps kick panel. Dead giveaway but oh well. :D

Stealth look, plain and simple.


A/C is for fat people :shiner: lol

I resemble that.

No workie on the car. My back went out pretty badly on Christmas Eve and it's really got me laid up.

[AChotrod]

Your not fat Im just skinny. Hell Ill turn the heat on if it gets below 65 out.

Sucks about you back. Theres nothing worse than back problems. Rest up and get better!

[Neil350]

You need to look in to Military experimental programs where you could get a bionic super strength titanium back.

[Fastbird]

You need to look in to Military experimental programs where you could get a bionic super strength titanium back.

Ha! Funny you mentioned that but I looked into full artificial disc replacement, and was told no way. Next surgical option for me is a L3-4-5 fusion. I'm heading to the Doc first thing tomorrow morning actually because I have barely been able to get out of bed the past two mornings.

[popo8]

A/C is for fat people :shiner: lol


NOT COOL AC.....

[RealQuick]

Ha! Funny you mentioned that but I looked into full artificial disc replacement, and was told no way. Next surgical option for me is a L3-4-5 fusion. I'm heading to the Doc first thing tomorrow morning actually because I have barely been able to get out of bed the past two mornings.

Sean, let me know what he says before you make any big decisions. I a Product Development Engineer for a Spine Company.

[Fastbird]

Sean, let me know what he says before you make any big decisions. I a Product Development Engineer for a Spine Company.

What? Wow....didn't know that.

Right now I'm having an MRI to get an updated look tomorrow, and am waiting on a Tricare referral for an appoint with a neurosurgeon for a sit down/figure out.

[stormy69]

sorry to hear that fb, i am having numbing probs in my hands, they think its carpal tunnel but they go numb when the wrists arent bent :(
gooo tricare :rolleyes:

[Fastbird]

sorry to hear that fb, i am having numbing probs in my hands, they think its carpal tunnel but they go numb when the wrists arent bent :(
gooo tricare :rolleyes:

Wow dude, that sucks. Though I wouldn't blame TriCare moreso than the actual Dr. that you're seeing there.

I will say that I'm in a happy place right now. Percocet and Flexiril ftw.

[RealQuick]

Wow dude, that sucks. Though I wouldn't blame TriCare moreso than the actual Dr. that you're seeing there.

I will say that I'm in a happy place right now. Percocet and Flexiril ftw.

He dude, I responded to your post in the lounge. Shoot me a pm if you need more info/advice.

[Fastbird]

Just replied!

Good news. Things have loosened up enough to where if I can get the garage warm I'm going to start working on it again this weekend.

[Wooshie]

Sweet! I have been following this buid.

[Fastbird]

Warmed the garage up tonight since Russ and Randall were doing the site update. Got the K-Member torqued down good, and got one of the A-Arms in. Going to have to pull and size it better to the stock one though. Those things are a f-ing PITA to get lined up to get the bolts through. Hoping to put some quality time in this weekend but have lots of football to watch too.......

[Z28pr0jekt]

w00t you'll be done before me lol

[Fastbird]

I should be now. Just started a refi on my house today. Going from 6 3/8 to 5 flat, getting back escrow (over $3K) and skipping a months payment ($2150) while knocking $300 per month off of the new loan. Meaning, I'm going to pay some bills, set some reserve cash, throw a chunk into my mutual fund, and divert some for injectors, fuel system, and hot part coating. :D Oh happy day.

[Fastbird]

MOTHERF***ER. So here I am having a shitty day, pissed off, going to knock out some work on the car. Get the A-Arm sized, in, ball joint in place and castle nut tq'd, and I'm going to seat the shock. WTF do I find?? The UMI A-ARM shock mount center hold is TOO GODDAMN SMALL for the lower mount center section of the KYB AGX shock. Something is going to get blown up.

[popo8]

DOH!!!

[Fixxer99TA]

MOTHERF***ER. So here I am having a shitty day, pissed off, going to knock out some work on the car. Get the A-Arm sized, in, ball joint in place and castle nut tq'd, and I'm going to seat the shock. WTF do I find?? The UMI A-ARM shock mount center hold is TOO GODDAMN SMALL for the lower mount center section of the KYB AGX shock. Something is going to get blown up.

Damn, its gotta fight ya every step of the way.

[Fastbird]

Yup. And considering my lack of a proper grinder, a 4.5" grinder had to do. Got the clearance, got the A-Arm in and semi-positioned, ect. Holding off on adjustment until I get the wheel on the car and I can get somewhat of a bead on where it needs to be. Doing the other side tomorrow.

[Fastbird]

Oh HELL yeah. Just got my last "unknown" W2 and it was way better than I anticipated. Looks like my our tax refund is going to be about $4500.....meaning I can pay the bills I want. That in turn means that if everything goes smooth with my refi, I should be able to set aside ALL the money for finishing the car up to running/driving/tuned state. No cage or finished suspension (still need QA1's, LCA's and brackets, PHB, STB), but enough to go tear some stuff up with. Hopefully around the beginning of march I'll be making a huge fuel system parts order will get the last leg of assembly completed.

Oh happy day. :D

[Huff035]

This is going to be done by september right? I really wanna see this beast.

[RealQuick]

Oh HELL yeah. Just got my last "unknown" W2 and it was way better than I anticipated. Looks like my our tax refund is going to be about $4500.....meaning I can pay the bills I want. That in turn means that if everything goes smooth with my refi, I should be able to set aside ALL the money for finishing the car up to running/driving/tuned state. No cage or finished suspension (still need QA1's, LCA's and brackets, PHB, STB), but enough to go tear some stuff up with. Hopefully around the beginning of march I'll be making a huge fuel system parts order will get the last leg of assembly completed.

Oh happy day. :D

Nice Sean. I was hoping to make it out to the shootout this year (as it is on my b-day), but I am getting married on the 19th of that month, so I am sure I will have a million things to do.

[Fastbird]

This is going to be done by september right? I really wanna see this beast.

Yes, it will be there. Probably won't be up to safety specs (lack of cage) but I'm not sure if I want to put one in it.


Nice Sean. I was hoping to make it out to the shootout this year (as it is on my b-day), but I am getting married on the 19th of that month, so I am sure I will have a million things to do.

Jon, I can tell you from personal experience, that if you plan things out ahead of time, it pays HUGE dividends in the stress dept to take a week or so off sometime in the month prior to the big date. Just quit planning and owrrying about it all and forget you're doing it. My wife and I did that and it made things soooooo smooth. That said.....shootout would be a good stress reliever!!!

[RealQuick]

Yes, it will be there. Probably won't be up to safety specs (lack of cage) but I'm not sure if I want to put one in it.



Jon, I can tell you from personal experience, that if you plan things out ahead of time, it pays HUGE dividends in the stress dept to take a week or so off sometime in the month prior to the big date. Just quit planning and owrrying about it all and forget you're doing it. My wife and I did that and it made things soooooo smooth. That said.....shootout would be a good stress reliever!!!

Thanks for the advice Sean. This will be #2 for me, so I hear ya!

[Fastbird]

Thanks for the advice Sean. This will be #2 for me, so I hear ya!

Oh shit....I completely forgot about that man! Gutsy move, but at the same time, CONGRATS!!!!!! If she's a car person, move the date up and do it at the shootout!

[Huff035]

If she's a car person, move the date up and do it at the shootout!

That would be interesting. lol

[RealQuick]

Oh shit....I completely forgot about that man! Gutsy move, but at the same time, CONGRATS!!!!!! If she's a car person, move the date up and do it at the shootout!

She is a car person, and an easy going gal (goes with the flow). She actually pushed me to start building kits again (because I was bummed out and complaining how I missed it LOL).

A pic of my baby:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/RealQuick/120.jpg

[Flyinz]

She's pretty sharp man. Congrats!

[Fastbird]

Winner Jon. THat pic is the best thing in this thread. :D

[RealQuick]

haha! thanks guys. Sorry to hijack... now back on track :finger:

[Fastbird]

NO work tonight. My wife has been taking her damn sweet time doing ANYTHING so I've been on kid duty all day.

[popo8]

NO work tonight. My wife has been taking her damn sweet time doing ANYTHING so I've been on kid duty all day.


Damn!!!!

ok while we wait anymore girl pics!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Fixxer99TA]

Haha, if shes a car girl everyone here is correct. Shes a keeper. Now if only I could find one who "pushes" me to mod my car. DAMN!

There will be time Sean.... :D

[RealQuick]

:heart:1958

[AChotrod]

lucky man!!!

[1badz]

Nice work quick.. My gf is luckily an avid muscle car fan and is too competitive sometimes. She claims her overweight ugly new challenger srt will lay the smack down on my Z... Gotta love women that are into cars


..and mike, how the hell do you have 4,000+ posts already?! Haxors??

[Fastbird]

Holy crap......specced out my fuel system today. Dual pumps in-tank. In-tank y-block to factory feed line. Adapter on end of line at bucket to convert to a -6 AN fitting. Then a -6 female/female coupler to -6/-10 reducer. A -10 main feed line all the way to the front through a 100 micron filter en route. Come out of the tower and y-split to -8's to back of each rail. -6 out of front of each rail to Aeromotive regulator, -6 fitting out of regulator to -8 adapter for -8 return line al the way back to the reducer/fitting combo to the factory hard return line on bucket. Using Jegs ProFlow 350 black braided hose, Jegs black/red elite fittings in the engine bay, jegs black fittings elsewhere, jegs fitler. $750 NOT including the pumps. Good grief that's pricey. I've actually got a complete parts list, just don't feel like posting it up right now.

The system should be enough with a set of 84 lb injectors to support my goals now and if they go up in the future. I plan to run both pumps full time hence the larger return line. We'll see what happens. Anyone see any issues with it?

[dsmawd350]

Holy crap......specced out my fuel system today. Dual pumps in-tank. In-tank y-block to factory feed line. Adapter on end of line at bucket to convert to a -6 AN fitting. Then a -6 female/female coupler to -6/-10 reducer. A -10 main feed line all the way to the front through a 100 micron filter en route. Come out of the tower and y-split to -8's to back of each rail. -6 out of front of each rail to Aeromotive regulator, -6 fitting out of regulator to -8 adapter for -8 return line al the way back to the reducer/fitting combo to the factory hard return line on bucket. Using Jegs ProFlow 350 black braided hose, Jegs black/red elite fittings in the engine bay, jegs black fittings elsewhere, jegs fitler. $750 NOT including the pumps. Good grief that's pricey. I've actually got a complete parts list, just don't feel like posting it up right now.

The system should be enough with a set of 84 lb injectors to support my goals now and if they go up in the future. I plan to run both pumps full time hence the larger return line. We'll see what happens. Anyone see any issues with it?
your getting off easy, I spent ~ $1,292.xx on my fuel system before shipping and tax

[Neil350]

Realquick delivers in this thread!

[RealQuick]

Realquick delivers in this thread!

haha! Thanks!

Sean, any more updates?

[Fastbird]

No, I've been in a pretty bad funk for the past couple of weeks. Work has been beating me down pretty bad, and I'm just coming around now. I'm actually hoping to get some time in on it this week. We'll see. I'm not in a HUGE rush because I'll be making the big final parts order at the end of February probably.........more to come there.

[Fastbird]

Ok, did a little work tonight. The plan was to get the other A-Arm in and secure (loosely bolted, will "try" to get a close alignment dialed in once the wheels are back on and I load the suspension), get the brake lines zip tied in to the K-Member, and get the sway bar end links in. Two of the three got done.......I thought I had a set of end links and I didn't. Add those to my huge summit order coming up I guess. :D

Next job: Clutch master cylinder. I have a modified stocker to be adjustable for use with the Street Twin to go in place of the stocker that's in there now. Tomorrow I might start tearing it out.

[Fastbird]

Taking a break for a few minutes. Putting in some good time today. Got the master cylinder swapped. Not bad when there's no motor. I wouldn't wish that job on ANYONE if they've got to do it with the motor in the car. Got a good stock master cylinder (minus the line for the slave) if anyone needs one.......cheap!!

I think I've got to give up on power washing the engine bay because I've got open wires everywhere, the steering rack is open, ect, and I don't want water getting where water don't need to get. Once it's all back together it'll be a hand detail.


And am now down to prepping the motor. Got all the stuff torn off of it, got the plugs for the unused holes in the heads installed, just getting all the little stuff taken care of prior to putting it in. Didn't think about it but I'll have to put the passenger side manifold back on to fit the dipstick before I drop it in though. I did find out one neat thing: It looks like I can put the oil pressure sensor into the port on the top rear of the block sticking straight up and there should be clearance, so that's the route I plan to take unless someone knows for sure it won't fit like that (this is when having a second LT1 car handy again would be nice.....I do want a fun driver though......). My goal today is to get it as close to ready to drop in as I can. That means just finishing up some minor things like the freeze and cam plugs on the back of the block, get the clutch and tranny on, and some minor misc stuff on the motor.

QUESTION: What size and pitch is the oil port just above the filter on the block?? That's going to be my oil feed for the turbo but I don't have a clue what size that port is. Jon, if you see this, what size are the inlet and outlet ports on the PT76GTS, and what size feed and return lines do you recommend (the return will be via scavenge pump if that makes a difference).

[CALL911]

Good to hear you wrenching on the Bird! If you can't powerwash, I reccomend some simple green and a rag while you don't have an engine in the bay cluttering those hard to reach dirty spots.

...you never know when some squirrels might get in there... :excl:

[Fastbird]

Yeah, I did some scrubbing, but only on the greasy crap. The entire underside of the car is just covered in residue from the old motor, so I figure it's going to be a car wash power sprayer deal and me laying on the ground doing it, at some point.

Getting ready to bolt up the clutch.....until I realized I don't have the instructions or any tq specs for the street twin. Hence, me being on the computer looking for them.

[Fastbird]

Clutch is on the car! Found some online directions with tq specs for the ST clutch. Nearly had a self critiquing incident though, was looking at the back of the crankshaft going "something doesn't look right......." It donned on me when I tried to put the first clutch disc on.......no pilot bushing! Whoops. Snagged one and it's good to go though it took a hell of a beating to install.

Going to the St. Louis auto show tomorrow so probably won't work on it at all. It's close to being in the car though!

[Fastbird]

No workie today. went to the auto show and ended up at a friends house until after 7. Dammit. Did order a 1/4NPT to -4 straight fitting for the block port above the filter though, figured it would behoove me to have that installed before the motor goes in. Will be the feed for the turbo.

Might get a little done tomorrow.......hvae to cut line lock brackets though, took orders over the weekend that have to be filled. Goal is to sometime this coming weekend to have the motor sitting in the car.

[RealQuick]

QUESTION: What size and pitch is the oil port just above the filter on the block?? That's going to be my oil feed for the turbo but I don't have a clue what size that port is. Jon, if you see this, what size are the inlet and outlet ports on the PT76GTS, and what size feed and return lines do you recommend (the return will be via scavenge pump if that makes a difference).

I believe the inlet to the turbo is 1/8NPT, so if you are running a 4AN feed, get an 1/8NPT to 4An adapter. I believe the engine block requires a 1/4NPT fitting. The drain... I would go with a 10AN line, but a fitting cannot thread into the drain of the turbo (like it can on the feed side). You need a t4 turbo drain flange like the following: http://www.racepartsolutions.com/pro...Flange&cat=104 (http://www.racepartsolutions.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RPS%2DOilDrainFlange&cat=104)

[2tonsoffun]

looking good fastbird, cant wait till this summer and hopefully see it on some of the speed cruises.

[Fastbird]

I believe the inlet to the turbo is 1/8NPT, so if you are running a 4AN feed, get an 1/8NPT to 4An adapter. I believe the engine block requires a 1/4NPT fitting. The drain... I would go with a 10AN line, but a fitting cannot thread into the drain of the turbo (like it can on the feed side). You need a t4 turbo drain flange like the following: http://www.racepartsolutions.com/pro...Flange&cat=104 (\"http://www.racepartsolutions.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RPS%2DOilDrainFlange&cat=104\")

Got a 1/4NPT to -4 straight fitting ordered today for the block.....going to fab the rest of the feed stuff once it's in the car. Thanks for the link to the drain flange there Jon, that helps big time. Planning on running a TurboWerx scavenge pump, but looking at my heads, I'm not sure I want it to return there. The drainage on those things is going to be HORRIBLE and I dont' want to completely swamp the couple of cylinders components under the fill cap.


looking good fastbird, cant wait till this summer and hopefully see it on some of the speed cruises.

I'm hoping to make it out......been meaning to for a LONG time.

[Fastbird]

Didn't do too much tonight, but my back is killing me. :D

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That's tough as a one man job. Took a lot of finagling, I broke my Oil Pressure Sensor *but it WILL fit no problem sticking straight up out of the block*, and had to remove my crank pulley, but all is well. Took a lot of time to get the mounts lined up, but the bolts are through!!! I feel like I"m on the home stretch now!

[AChotrod]

Awesome!!! Did your HH hit the wiper cowl? Mine did :( Yeah it took alot of twisting and finagling to get my in, but over all not bad on ramps.

[Fastbird]

It was hitting the cowl, but not too bad. I was one arming the motor while playing with the hoist and just kind of swung it in. DEMOLISHED the OPS that was sticking up behind the manifold though. :D

[AChotrod]

Yeah its weird all the sudden it just pops in? lol. I was lucky my brother and a friend were there to keep the damage to a minimum.
Still pissed me off about the cowl. If the hook was bent out just a tad bit more it would clear way better.

[proace4]

i want some of the toys in your garage! impressive man... looks like its coming along! cant wait for the start up vid.

[RealQuick]

Awesome Sean!

[Phstratton]

Looking good man!

[Huff035]

Still in love with that vette... lol.

[AZ2ENVY]

Hey man you REALLY need to do yourself a huge favor . Please stop using Fram filters . They are junk
and will really put your new Motor at risk . The filter elements are minimal and Junk , The end caps
are cardboard and glued on the element . There are MANY MANY cases of Frams collapsing and starving
the motor of oil which in turn causes a major catastrophe . The filters that are the best to use are....

Mobil One
K&N
Purolator Pure One

The three I listed all Use a Synthetic filter media with a maximum number of pleats , Pressed on
Aluminum end caps , and wayyyyy better filtration . Its worth the switch believe me :)

[CALL911]

http://www.fastbird93.com/Purple/NewMotor/DSC_2237.jpg


:hail: For a while, I wondered if the day would ever come.... Amazing dude! Looks beautiful! Congrats on being on the final stretch!

AZ2ENVY, I think he just put a Fram on it to have "something" on there. I don't think Sean uses Fram filters.

[Fastbird]

Hey man you REALLY need to do yourself a huge favor . Please stop using Fram filters . They are junk
and will really put your new Motor at risk . The filter elements are minimal and Junk , The end caps
are cardboard and glued on the element . There are MANY MANY cases of Frams collapsing and starving
the motor of oil which in turn causes a major catastrophe . The filters that are the best to use are....

Mobil One
K&N
Purolator Pure One

The three I listed all Use a Synthetic filter media with a maximum number of pleats , Pressed on
Aluminum end caps , and wayyyyy better filtration . Its worth the switch believe me :)

I'm honestly offended here! Really man?? Come on now, I KNOW better than that. My filters of choice are Wix, Mobile 1, K*N, and Bosch, in that order.

[popo8]

Cant wait to see both of your toys at the SHOOTOUT!!!

[Fastbird]

Cant wait to see both of your toys at the SHOOTOUT!!!

Hhahahahah......neither can I. Was supposed to have the Vette last year, nope. This year NOTHING will stop me. Oh hell, I just screwed myself I think.

[QC97Z]

Hhahahahah......neither can I. Was supposed to have the Vette last year, nope. This year NOTHING will stop me. Oh hell, I just screwed myself I think.

Now you HAVE to be there. You'll be in trouble otherwise. :D

BTW, really nice rides, and really awesome work you're doing. I'll be starting on my own procharger/383 voyage soon, maybe in time for the shootout!
Seriously, your build thread really does a good job illustrating how many hours of hard work have to be put in. It's definitely good for the noobs with big dreams, might bring them back down towards earth a bit.

[AZ2ENVY]

AZ2ENVY, I think he just put a Fram on it to have "something" on there. I don't think Sean uses Fram filters.

I gotcha lol I didnt know what he was doin :)


I'm honestly offended here! Really man?? Come on now, I KNOW better than that. My filters of choice are Wix, Mobile 1, K*N, and Bosch, in that order.

Sorry man wasnt trying to offend just didnt know what you were doin lol :)

[Fastbird]

AZ2ENVY -- No worries man, just bustin your chops. That fram filter served as support under the bell housing while I (inadvised) walked the transmission into the back of the motor. It's toast, and will never see a running motor, I can guarantee that. :D

QC97Z -- Thanks for the compliments. The time and effort isn't that bad of a thing in this project, as it's part of the hobby. The money on the other hand, is the real reality check. That's a bastard in itself.

CALL911 -- Fastbird's coming for you. :D

It's official. THe motor is officially in the car now. Torqued down all three mounts. There's BARELY clearance between the pan and the steering rack. So little that I in fact had to remove the plastic guide for the lines that goes around the wide part of the rack.

So sitting here looking at it, I've come to teh following conclusion. This thing is WAY too close to running. I seriously only have about a days worth of parts to put on before I could realistically fire the car up. Sadly, the fuel portion of those parts are absent currently. I test fit the drivers side manifold tonight, PLENTY of clearance everywhere.

Parts I still need to get:

Driveshaft (Speed Inc is probably where I'm going unless a killer deal on an ACPT comes up)
Low Profile Fans (possibly, going to try to make the stockers work)
Fuel Injectors (most likely 84 lb/hr based on Racetronix recommendation)
Fuel System (parts list done, just have to plunk the cash)
Meth Kit (working a deal with Fire67 for his Alky Control kit)
New OPS, power steering pressure line, harness for conversion ECT
Cold side piping
Fab up from downpipe to SLP LM exhaust (initial start will be open DP)
After running partial break-in, hot parts coming off for coating

I have a few loose wires to finish up for the FAST still. Not a whole lot to do really. Just going to spend a couple hours at a time on it......though this weekend I may pull a thrash and have a good old fashioned wrenching fest.

[CALL911]

CALL911 -- Fastbird's coming for you. :D



Oh no you don't! I'm not going to do that again to you! Haven't you learned yet what happens when you try to run against CALL911? :death:

:shame:

[Fastbird]

Ugh.....clearance issues. Passenger side header collector is hitting the corner of the rear a-arm mount on the K-Member. Not sure what to do about this. Modifying the collector would throw the entire up-pipe assembly alignment off. Grinding away at that K-Member corner might not be the smartest thing to do. I'm talking just a fraction of interference here, but enough to keep the header from laying flush on the head. Glad I'm test fitting things.

[QC97Z]

How much is a fraction? If it is little enough (within a millimeter or two), you could always slightly "slot" or open up the maifold bolt holes and tilt your manifold a bit. It would no longer be "exactly" aligned to your head ports, but if the ports on the manifold are big enough, it won't make a difference. Might be a bit too ghetto fab for you, but it's an option, and seems functional. Just my $.02.

[Fastbird]

How much is a fraction? If it is little enough (within a millimeter or two), you could always slightly "slot" or open up the maifold bolt holes and tilt your manifold a bit. It would no longer be "exactly" aligned to your head ports, but if the ports on the manifold are big enough, it won't make a difference. Might be a bit too ghetto fab for you, but it's an option, and seems functional. Just my $.02.

Yeah, that's not an option for me. Think of all the piping in the turbo kit hot side. If you throw off one piece, you throw off all pieces. Just not going to happen and creating a step like that at the head to manifold isn't exactly good for flow/scavenging either.

I'm going to probably grind/notch the K-Member here. The lower and side plates are reinforced and the upper plate is bolt retained to the chassis, so I don't believe strength is going to be an issue there. I took a good long hard look at it to be sure and I think I'm going to be ok.

[popo8]

I had clearance issues with my header a the tubular k member. A torch.... some large plyers and an old socket, and voila, a nicely curved indention where the interference was...

[Fastbird]

I had clearance issues with my header a the tubular k member. A torch.... some large plyers and an old socket, and voila, a nicely curved indention where the interference was...

Yah, not much of an option here either.......an indentation in a pinch point isn't a good idea. :D

No more work for me today. I'm alone with the kiddo now, wife and a buddy took off to hit the grocery store and get started on dinner before I follow them over to his place. He showed up right when I was opening the garage door too dammit! I figured "Hell, that thing isn't going to grind itself" and the *poof* my work for the day is done.

[RealQuick]

Jeepers Sean, this BMR k-member thing is starting to annoy me! you would think when they design the tubular k, it would fall within the boundaries of a stock K! i am going to be investing in a tubular K for mockups from now on.

[Fastbird]

Jeepers Sean, this BMR k-member thing is starting to annoy me! you would think when they design the tubular k, it would fall within the boundaries of a stock K! i am going to be investing in a tubular K for mockups from now on.

Yeah that would probably be a good idea. It's nothind I can't work around myself but someone else might get the wrong idea and try to flame you for it.

[RealQuick]

For anyone reading this thread right now, all the kits I have built up until now was made with the stock k-member for mockup, so if anyone wants to buy one of my kits that is forsale by other members, keep in mind the modifications to a tubular k may be needed!

For future kits, specify whether or not you will use a bmr k or stock k. time to start searching for a BMR k....

[dsmawd350]

what if people are using PA racing kmembers or a burkart or racecraft peice. It would probably be best just to try and stay clear of the K member area that is giving you problem all together AKA add in extra clearence in that area for any k-member

[Fastbird]

Argh. I'm in for welding. After just a bit of grinding on that spot without getting the clearance, the weld cracked and it's flexing by hand......I belive because the A-Arm isn't bolted in and is just putting hanging stress on it. But I'm NOT comfortable with it. So right now I'm notching the a-arm mounting point and am going to put a fillet brace on the backside of the mount to leave a nice big notch for the header. This is not cool though because I may have to drop the K to do that and I REALLY don't want to do that. What blows my mind is that I had this ALL Mocked up on the stand with zero issues, but once I loaded the K with the weight of the motor on the mounts, the clearance went away.

Anywho, just a bit more grinding and I can proceed with at least mocking up the rest of the stuffs......

[Fastbird]

Clearance is there, but now there's larger problems to deal with. Jon, check your PM's.

[Fastbird]

http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/files/2009/09/doublefacepalm.jpg

Larger problems are averted. Jon, ignore the PM. Would help if I put the mid-pipe UNDER the sway bar...........

[RealQuick]

Sounds like you got it!

[Fastbird]

Yeah.....quite the oversight on my part.

[Fastbird]

Ok, more work tonight. All of the front side hot parts are on and bolted up, had to modify the mid pipe a little to clear the motor mount, just a ball peen hammer job is all. Everything fit nicely for the most part. Just mocking up and checking clearances right now.

Jon, PM again, this time for real.

[Fastbird]

Mock Up Pics:

Top View, not a lot to see:
http://www.fastbird93.com/Purple/NewMotor/DSC_2239.jpg

Bottom Ground Clearance View:
http://www.fastbird93.com/Purple/NewMotor/DSC_2241.jpg

http://www.fastbird93.com/Purple/NewMotor/DSC_2245.jpg

Jon did an OUTSTANDING job with the ground clearance. Really well done.

Sadly, there's another issue though. The down pipe won't fit. It's simply sandwiched between the header and frame rail up front. I might be able to oval out the pipe but I really don't want to create a restrictive pinch point but looking at it, there may not be another way. Guess I could call it a merge collector like the nascar guys use?? :D Sorry, can't get a good pic of this issue though.

[RealQuick]

Mock Up Pics:

Jon did an OUTSTANDING job with the ground clearance. Really well done.

Sadly, there's another issue though. The down pipe won't fit. It's simply sandwiched between the header and frame rail up front. I might be able to oval out the pipe but I really don't want to create a restrictive pinch point but looking at it, there may not be another way. Guess I could call it a merge collector like the nascar guys use?? :D Sorry, can't get a good pic of this issue though.
Sean, there should be some room in there. If it is touching the collector, then there should be some room near the frame rail, and vice versa. If you loosen the turbo bolts, you can get some slight movement. Will that help?

[RealQuick]

Sean, there should be some room in there. If it is touching the collector, then there should be some room near the frame rail, and vice versa. If you loosen the turbo bolts, you can get some slight movement. Will that help?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Purple%20Car/Build%20Pics/DSC_1717.jpg

I had already "ovaled" it slightly to ensure clearance (you can see the slight ovaling in your pic). Question... is it touching just one or both the framerail and collector at the same time?

[RealQuick]

Either way, just call me tonight! We'll figure it out.

[dsmawd350]

man it really sounds like you need to pick up a 500 dollar rolling chassis or v6 wrecked in the rear or something and mock these up in the car. Not trying to be offensive but personally id be a little upset after spending a couple thousand on a turbo setup and have clearance issues with every pipe

[Fastbird]

Jon, sorry for not calling tonight. I had the kiddo by myself and was tied up with him.

DSMawd, have you seen what he did without having what I have to work with?? I think he did an OUTSTANDING job considering he doesn't have the use of a K-Member from BMR to work with. Some of the adjustments were my own doing (the motor mount issue was self induced by rotating a pipe slightly), the mount thing on the drivers side was unforseen on both parts due to BMR having larger area on it's drivers side mount than stock, and the down pipe issue may just need more adjusting on my part as Jon has done several header kits just like mine that have fit without issue. It's a custom kit more or less, you can't expect perfection. What you can expect is support from the maker of the kit, and I'm getting that 100% and then some. I have zero complaints about what I'm having to do as when you do something as non-normal as this (being the turbo kit without sacrificing anything like power steering, A/C, ect), you're BOUND to run into issues.

[RealQuick]

man it really sounds like you need to pick up a 500 dollar rolling chassis or v6 wrecked in the rear or something and mock these up in the car. Not trying to be offensive but personally id be a little upset after spending a couple thousand on a turbo setup and have clearance issues with every pipe

i did pick up another vehicle that i use for mockup purposes. the k-member issues are aftermarket vs being built around the stock k. Not sure what the issue with the DP is, but certainly I will help Sean get the install the way he wants. i am already picking up a tubular k at my cost for future builds, and if Sean chooses, i will redo his DP to work with his tubular K once i get mine.

thanks for the support Sean.

[Wooshie]

i did pick up another vehicle that i use for mockup purposes. the k-member issues are aftermarket vs being built around the stock k. Not sure what the issue with the DP is, but certainly I will help Sean get the install the way he wants. i am already picking up a tubular k at my cost for future builds, and if Sean chooses, i will redo his DP to work with his tubular K once i get mine.

thanks for the support Sean.

Now thats REAL tech support.

[dsmawd350]

good to hear you picked up a car for mock up and a tubular K. the kits are sure to only get better from here!

[Fastbird]

Jon, check your email. I've got an update.

[RealQuick]

Jon, check your email. I've got an update.

Update for everyone following the build:

Sean is gonna send me back the hotparts and I am gonna rework the DP. I will be using a tubular K for the rework.

Jon

[Fastbird]

Jon, kit will be on it's way back to you tomorrow. I have to say that I absolutely love the installation/removal simplicity with the V-Bands. What a piece of cake to get in and out of the car.

While the turbo kit is away I plan to turn my attention to finishing up the wiring harness and finalizing the computer installation.

[KissMyWhtSS]

While the turbo kit is away I plan to turn my attention to finishing up the wiring harness and finalizing the computer installation.Sounds like a lot of the stress is out of your way. Hopefully you can get everything wired up while he reworks the downpipe so you can reinstall the turbo kit and be good to go.

[Fastbird]

Well, I wish it was that easy, but I'm not going to install all of the wiring until the turbo kit is back in the way so I know where and how much heat shielding to use on various things. It's still going to be a SLOW process, but all I've got is time right now. Once mid march rolls around and I'm ready to order the fuel system and other stuff, it'll be crunch time.

[KissMyWhtSS]

Well, I wish it was that easy, but I'm not going to install all of the wiring until the turbo kit is back in the way so I know where and how much heat shielding to use on various things. It's still going to be a SLOW process, but all I've got is time right now. Once mid march rolls around and I'm ready to order the fuel system and other stuff, it'll be crunch time.
What's your timeline for getting it road/race ready? (I apologize if you already mentioned it)

Mine's going up on jackstands here pretty soon, I'm pretty excited to get some wrench time on it and clear out the "parts pile" but I also have a feeling I'll have other things distracting me from getting everything done.

[Fastbird]

I'd like to think I'll be cranking it by the end of April to give sufficient tuning, bug working out, dial in time for the shootout.

[Fastbird]

Ok, though I'm on vacation right now, I've been researching and deliberating over a part of this build, and I think I finally made a decision. I'm going to initially run the fuel system as the twin in-tank setup and do it on the stock lines. Talked to and looked at the results from several bigger name guys and am finding that they're supporting very close to my power goals on stock configured lines. Going to save myself about $1K on the fuel system, and will upgrade if necessary.

[CALL911]

Any new updates dude?

[RealQuick]

Any new updates dude?

I have Sean's setup on the mockup- engine with the tubular K. I reworked the collector of the header alittle. The major difference is the DP will now be 2 piece so Sean won't need to unbolt the header to get the DP out. I hope to have some finished pics by Sunday.:secret:

[CALL911]

^ AWESOME! Seans car is going to be a monster. I try not to think about it because it just gets me excited :devil:

[RealQuick]

^ AWESOME! Seans car is going to be a monster. I try not to think about it because it just gets me excited :devil:

He needs to get a tire for it because if you drag this turbo car down the highway like you did to his vette, then I am gonna come down and set his bird on fire!:metal:

[CALL911]

He seems to think his suspension will get him enough traction (I am not thinking so either). Its gonna be powerfull, but like doing WOT on ice until triple digits IMO.

[Fastbird]

He seems to think his suspension will get him enough traction (I am not thinking so either). Its gonna be powerfull, but like doing WOT on ice until triple digits IMO.

When did I EVER say that my suspension was done and going to be enough???? I'm just concentrating on the motor right now. I only need a couple of more suspension components to have the same setup as you man. I think the only stuff you've got over me right now is Panhard Bar, Rear Control Arms, front Upper A-Arms, and the QA1's. I'm hoping to have all that in and going by the time I hit the shootout.

Jon......I've got a tire that'll let me chew him up with or without suspension. 26x10.5 E.T. Streets on a Telstar 15x8 with front skinnies.

[CALL911]

...you're also going to have GOBS more power than me too man. I still think its going to slide until past highway speeds (WITH the suspension).

I could be wrong. But I think most people even with my power level and suspension have a very difficult time hooking up (especially in 1st gear with DR's). Take that, and add a few HUNDRED more RWHP, and you're going to have your car. Time will tell.

[Fastbird]

Oh, I'm not debating that your car hooks HARD on the street, to the point of being unbelievable. And I know I'm going to be doing some sliding around. Truth be told though, I don't think the car is going to overpower my Vette, so I should be able to keep some semblance of tractions at reasonable speeds based off what I can and can't do in the Vette, though admittedly there are two distinctly different suspensions there.

[CALL911]

You really think the Vette is going to be more powerfull than the LT1?

[Fastbird]

Yeah, I do actually. I just don't think the car is going to crank out 760/760. I think it'll be close, but I don't see it making it.

[CALL911]

What kind of boost levels are you planning on running in the bird? What is the turbo capable of running boost wise?

I guess I just figured you were planning on running max boost in the Trans Am. If thats the case, with the sized turbo and the setup you have, I estimate that you'll be north of the 800 RWHP mark. I would go so far to say, probably even more north than 850 RWHP.

[Fastbird]

I plan to shove as much air through the engine as it will take, so probably with that turbo in the 18-20lb range by my estimates. I need to find a 12lb wastegate spring so I can have a better starting point, and then I will put a manual controller on it and turn until we find peak efficiency while tuning it. I'm not going to just run a boost number, because 18-20 lbs might be too much and it could be just blowing hot air above 16 lbs. So, we'll see.

[CALL911]

I have a feeling you will be surprized if you believe it won't over power your Vette. Time will tell...

LT1 FTW!! :devil:

[Fastbird]

I'd be quite pleased if it does indeed overdo the Vette. I wouldn't complain that's for sure.

[RealQuick]

If it doesn't surpass the vette, it won't be the kit as a limiting factor, more of whether the LTx engine can breath better than the lsx setup.

Speaking of kits, I finished welding up everything, even the spot on the pass. side header. All looks good. i will assemble it back on the mockup tomorrow, take some pics, package it up, and ship it out tuesday.

Jon

[Fastbird]

Cool dude!!! I've got a running/driving want to make deadline for a small road trip at the end of April.........I might be able to pull it off but it'll be close.

[RealQuick]

Reworked... all boxed up. Sean, email me where you want it shipped... you'll have to sign for it.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/RealQuick/Sean%20Wall/DSC01949.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/RealQuick/Sean%20Wall/DSC01948.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/RealQuick/Sean%20Wall/DSC01947.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/RealQuick/Sean%20Wall/DSC01954.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/RealQuick/Sean%20Wall/DSC01952.jpg

[Fastbird]

Dude, Jon......that's f-in' money right there. I think that's going to be about perfect.

[Fixxer99TA]

Looking pretty good....

You might have one hell of a car for that ride in April ;)

[RealQuick]

Dude, Jon......that's f-in' money right there. I think that's going to be about perfect.

Sean, hopefully everything fits perfect. Let me know if anything comes up. The DP section that connects to the turbo should have no trouble slipping in from the back with the header in place. Check your email... I sent you a couple more regarding shipping.

[Fastbird]

6 PM would work, but can't ship to my work. Sent that in an email too.

[Fastbird]

Ordered fuel pumps today. Ordering a handfull o parts from summit later his week. Just a few more things and I can make the final push. Turbo kit came back in last week.

[REDTRANS]

About time you start working on that turd :D I was thinking I was gonna have to come over and do that for you next time I was in town..... Its looking real good Sean man I wish I had the funds to finish my Red car its just been really hard to save money now with the house and shop and all.... Hope some time you kids make it back up to the Fort I owe you guys at least a dinner or a place to crash for a night... On a side note hows the best of the Vette running I still need to get a ride in it since its tuned. When I drove it after finishing the motor install for you I know it was gonna be a beast just creeping around town the days I drove it for break in..

As far as Ben and your talk of what car will beat who or what... Sean's TA vs. Call911 = Damn hard win by Call911.... I think it will be very close
Sean's Vette vs. Call911 (the rematch) = Vette for the win :hammer:

[Fastbird]

About time you start working on that turd :D I was thinking I was gonna have to come over and do that for you next time I was in town..... Its looking real good Sean man I wish I had the funds to finish my Red car its just been really hard to save money now with the house and shop and all.... Hope some time you kids make it back up to the Fort I owe you guys at least a dinner or a place to crash for a night... On a side note hows the best of the Vette running I still need to get a ride in it since its tuned. When I drove it after finishing the motor install for you I know it was gonna be a beast just creeping around town the days I drove it for break in..

As far as Ben and your talk of what car will beat who or what... Sean's TA vs. Call911 = Damn hard win by Call911.... I think it will be very close
Sean's Vette vs. Call911 (the rematch) = Vette for the win :hammer:

Hey Nate!!!!

Vette is doing decent. I think I've got a vacuum leak to chase because there's still a random hanging idle issue and startup flare (though not as bad now that I've swapped to a bit better TB). Got the A/C working but it completely whacks the idle out so I'll be back at the tuner some time in the near future. I REALLY want to swap over to a Open Loop SD tune on the car though, because I think a lot of the driveability issues (cam surging, idle hunting, ect) would be solved with that kind of tune.

Yes, it's is certainly about time I started working on the T/A. Fuel pumps came in a couple of days ago, holding off on a large summit order for an outcome of a situation first, but I'm slowly plugging away at it.

Oh, and Call911 goes down x2 once they're both running. :D

[CALL911]

As far as Ben and your talk of what car will beat who or what... Sean's TA vs. Call911 = Damn hard win by Call911.... I think it will be very close
Sean's Vette vs. Call911 (the rematch) = Vette for the win :hammer:




Oh, and Call911 goes down x2 once they're both running. :D

Well, I wanted to wait and keep this as a surprise, but sense you two are upping the antie here... ...lets just say CALL911 vs the Vette may not turn out how at least Sean is anticipating :D :devil:

[Fastbird]

Oh Ben, what in the hell are you planning? Don't forget I have some very easily done tweaks to the vette that will add some quick power too. :D

[CALL911]

Oh Ben, what in the hell are you planning? Don't forget I have some very easily done tweaks to the vette that will add some quick power too. :D

Planning stages were in the past...

...I'm not saying a word more on this matter. You'll just have to bring the Vette for its rematch and find out first hand :D

[RealQuick]

N2O...:monkey:

[Fastbird]

Ben......dammit. I'm double face palming here. WTF did you do now?? F1A??? Whatever it is you better done broughted it cause I've got a bone to pick with your Camaro.

[CALL911]

...:devil:

[popo8]

Ben......dammit. I'm double face palming here. WTF did you do now?? F1A??? Whatever it is you better done broughted it cause I've got a bone to pick with your Camaro.


Hes transplanting the motor into the new plane and calling it CALL911 II ??????

[Fastbird]

I'm betting on "2JZ......no shit. This will decimate all......"

Ben always has been a Poopra fanboy. Wouldn't surprised me if he's trying to swap in a straight six with a turbo in lieu of the blown V8. :whistle:

[REDTRANS]

Well, I wanted to wait and keep this as a surprise, but sense you two are upping the antie here... ...lets just say CALL911 vs the Vette may not turn out how at least Sean is anticipating :D :devil:


If he's working with the same power plant ( ltx ) then the only thing worth upgrading would be his cylinder heads and maybe a single plane intake other then that it would be tough to make more power... Who knows tho Ben has had a couple post about doing a turbo setup on either car so who knows he might try swinging that way... Me personally Id leave that camaro alone its pretty quick finally I would drop a good FI block with some good 6bolt heads, dump that fast intake and put a ls6 back on it and one of those KY truck manifold kits that would make that firebird of his fly... of course install a 4l80e also :devil:

[REDTRANS]

Oh Ben, what in the hell are you planning? Don't forget I have some very easily done tweaks to the vette that will add some quick power too. :D

Do I smell RACE GAS :devil: More Meth ??.... Good old C16 mix and then let that monster eat all the way to 900plus Sean:hail:

[Fastbird]

No race gas for the Vette, though Joe (tuner) was begging me to let him fill the tank with the good stuff and let rip.....he was convinced it would eclipse 900 on it. But I said no.

Perfect day for working on the T/A today......and I just don't feel like it. Honestly, right now, I don't know when I'm going to feel like it.

[RealQuick]

No race gas for the Vette, though Joe (tuner) was begging me to let him fill the tank with the good stuff and let rip.....he was convinced it would eclipse 900 on it. But I said no.

Perfect day for working on the T/A today......and I just don't feel like it. Honestly, right now, I don't know when I'm going to feel like it.

:popcorn:

[Fastbird]

Jon....if you only knew. Sending you a PM.

[Fastbird]

Ok, I'm back. Been working on the car for a couple of days. Unfortunately by fixing one problem with the turbo kit, it caused another. This one is plain as day and I'm hoping to have it taken care of locally.

Just putting peripherals on right now. Starter is in and clearance from starter to pipes is GREAT. So great in fact that I don't plan to run a heat shield on it because I feel it would heat soak the thing more than protect it. Wired in the injector harness and am getting the wiring preliminarily routed so that once I get the turbo kit issue fixed and mocked back up I can start checking for burn points and start wrapping stuff.

The FAST is 95% wired in. Still have to wire in the WBO2 and figure out a way to wire in the A/C Idle Up function. WBO2 will come once it's pretty much together and I figure out where I want the sensor to be.

IF!!!!!!! IF I can get the turbo pipes fit, there's an outside chance of a quick startup around the end of next week. I don't have the money for a couple of things I need to really finish it (fans, adjustable regulator, other minor things) but with what I've got (stock regulator) and no fans, a quick "ops check" isn't out of the question. This would be open turbo/open TB and open DP. I can't wait.

[Fastbird]

3 wire ECT -- Check.

Impact bar removal for FMIC -- Check (Looks like best option will be to horizontal mount due to space and least airflow impedement that way. Mounting options for that SUCK, I'll have to figure something out there, but it should happen.

Fog light delete......sadly, check. Wanted to keep those but with the impact bar out there's no mounting option. Hopefully I can figure something out there because I want those back. Or some hella's and I'd halo them like I did to Call911's LS1 Formy.

Frustrations: Mounting. Can't find a local welder to come to my garage to even just help tack weld some new pipes to take to the shop to get finished. Chincy bastards.

[dsmawd350]

hard to say without seeing but if you can hold the pipes up to where you need them them makes several lines across the seam with a sharpie you should be able to match them up pretty perfect to what they were when you marked them

[Z28pr0jekt]

I don't know the layout but where you mounted the intercooler, can't you get some flat iron and make 2 inch wide L shaped pieces, one on each side that come outwards and down for each fog light?

[Fastbird]

Going to try to figure out something.

Got a hack job fix on the pipe problem today. Enough to allow me to continue mocking up everything. Going to get it finish welded and touched up at a pro shop this week.........Going to be up late tonight so am going to go hit it with the mocking up of the turbo kit tonight I think.

[Fastbird]

Frustrations rising. Downpipe still doesn't fit. Really getting to my wits end with all this f***ing piping. About ready to say screw the turbo and find a way to get an F1A blower kit.

[Fastbird]

Ok, took a LOT of forcing, but downpipe is on. It's hitting in points, and VERY VERY close to brake lines, ect, but it's in. Don't know if I can deal with it resting against the header collector, and with how tight everything is something is going to get burned bad, but we'll see...........let the mocking up continue.

[blackbirdws6]

Sounds like you are getting things worked out. I obviously can't see where the downpipe is hitting but any way it can be "persuaded" into giving you a little more clearance without it being totally beat to hell?

Good luck with getting it all wrapped up!

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[Fastbird]

Nah, I don't want to put any restriction or potential restriction after the turbo. I figure with some GENEROUS application of heat shielding I'll be able to get away with how it's at currently. I'm just not too keen on how dang tight it is at the header collector where it's physically touching......I can hand move it back, but it's aligned to touch and I can't get the alignment for it to not touch. Part of the fun when working with ten feet of extra pipe in an engine bay that simply was not designed for it.

[RealQuick]

Ok, took a LOT of forcing, but downpipe is on. It's hitting in points, and VERY VERY close to brake lines, ect, but it's in. Don't know if I can deal with it resting against the header collector, and with how tight everything is something is going to get burned bad, but we'll see...........let the mocking up continue.

Sounds like everything shifted when you reworked that one pipe. There was alot of clearance from the pics i took and posted in the thread. I say send it back to me, then I can see the reworked pipe and get an idea on the lay out you need. i am wishing we tried the stock pan (everything bolted together with that pan on):cry:

[faust]

Sounds like everything shifted when you reworked that one pipe. There was alot of clearance from the pics i took and posted in the thread. I say send it back to me, then I can see the reworked pipe and get an idea on the lay out you need. i am wishing we tried the stock pan (everything bolted together with that pan on):cry:
this is what i like to see, a sponsor/company. saying,hey just send it back and i'll make it work. i planned on going turbo next year and i think i just found the company .

[RealQuick]

this is what i like to see, a sponsor/company. saying,hey just send it back and i'll make it work. i planned on going turbo next year and i think i just found the company .

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I am as frustrated as Sean. between the oil pan and the 2 different versions of the BMR k's that we have, this has been a headache. I just want it to be right and not have to worry about it anymore.

Jon

[Fastbird]

Jon -- I'm going to hold off on sending it back. I looked at it with a clear and unfrustrated head today, and think I can make it work with some very careful aligning of everything. There's actually a LOT of DP room there at the collector, and I see where I need to tweak the turbo to in order to put it unobstructed through the chute per se'.

Taking the crossover pipe for finish welding tomorrow......then back to mocking up. It's all in there right now, so hopefully after that pipe is finish welded tomorrow I can start wrapping wiring and stuff to keep from melting everything.

The BIGGEST issue I think I'm going to face is getting the cat-back to mate up with the down pipe with the least ground clearance loss possible. The DP comes out on the drivers side and there's really nowhere to cross it over to the passenger side without losing a massive amount of ground clearance unless I go to like a 4" oval pipe to keep from causing a restriction.

[dsmawd350]

get ready for more tweaking after you have the crossover welded and it moves around with the heat.. are the connections v bands?

[Fastbird]

Connections are V-Bands and the crossover shouldn't move that much with the heat I wouldn't think. THere's a flex pipe there taht will help out a lot with any minor movement there.

[F.G.]

Man, I just read the whole thread start to finish, thats a heck of a lot of work but once you have it done it will be all worth it. I hope that everything goes well from here on out. Just remember that one day it will be finished and it will be all smiles. Your build has given me the inspiration to get mine running right.

[RealQuick]

The BIGGEST issue I think I'm going to face is getting the cat-back to mate up with the down pipe with the least ground clearance loss possible. The DP comes out on the drivers side and there's really nowhere to cross it over to the passenger side without losing a massive amount of ground clearance unless I go to like a 4" oval pipe to keep from causing a restriction.

Sean, it should be no different than any 3" y-pipe when running LT's... they all crossover around the tailshaft of the tyranny.