2morrow I pull the pin on my grenade....

[OutlawZ]

No pun intended...

We're loading up the big jets, a couple of stages, some -10 plugs, and a whole lotta bottles and C16 and we're gonna go see if we can beat jakes 8.95.....

I did some math and I need like 3 tenths in the 1/8 over my previous best pass of 6.0 (which was a terrible pass with all kinds of lifting, pedaling and nitrous malfunctions...).....

We're trying to light up this competition and bring the record to the west coast for a little bit... :D:D:D

[Fastbird]

Git-R-Done man. Best of luck with it!

[grn95t/a]

cool, good luck!

[joelster]

It's easy to light up the competition. Just go on "tech" and start calling out some LS1's, lol. That will light the fire for a bit.

[z28rob18]

yes! i love this competition. good luck man we want video

[jakesz28]

I'll be waiting to see the results. Just remember I was the first on nitrous to get it done. I haven't even tapped all the protential my combo had.(Or I hope not) I will be going after any record that exceeds mine so if you do get it you won't have it for long. :devil:


Best of luck to you and don't keep us waiting on posting up the results.

[Tony Shepherd]

Good luck Jason! I wish all of us luck that are fighting for it. Give me a text or call when you make some passes!

[Milk Man]

ahh, i love the smell of competition in the morning... good luck, now the question is, who will be the first into the 7 second club? lol

[Tony Shepherd]

ahh, i love the smell of competition in the morning... good luck, now the question is, who will be the first into the 7 second club? lol

Chris Sykora or Stefan Destito.

Takes a forced inducted car to get there.

Us nitrous guys will never get that far.:cry:

[Milk Man]

Chris Sykora or Stefan Destito.

Takes a forced inducted car to get there.

Us nitrous guys will never get that far.:cry:

ya i know they are, but damnit i wanna see a car on the bottle hit the 7's, never say never lol.

[joelster]

Us nitrous guys will never get that far.:cry:

Why do you say that? None of you guys have particularly light cars. JakesZ28, Outlaw, yourself, i'd peg at around the 3000-3100lb mark based on mods, etc...Maybe i'm wrong but you guys still have lots of street stuff in your cars, lights, horn, interiors,etc.. If you got EVERYTHING you could possibly get to lighten the car up, chromoly cage, 1 seat, bare interior, lexan, etc...you can get an f-bod into the 2650lb range. That is what it would take to do it, and eventually someone will.

Figure a bigger cube motor, when DART finally comes through, and a 2 stage hitting 300 out of the hole plus another 200 in a 2800lb raceweight car. Who knows, i'd love to see it happen.

[Tony Shepherd]

Why do you say that? None of you guys have particularly light cars. JakesZ28, Outlaw, yourself, i'd peg at around the 3000-3100lb mark based on mods, etc...Maybe i'm wrong but you guys still have lots of street stuff in your cars, lights, horn, interiors,etc.. If you got EVERYTHING you could possibly get to lighten the car up, chromoly cage, 1 seat, bare interior, lexan, etc...you can get an f-bod into the 2650lb range. That is what it would take to do it, and eventually someone will.

Figure a bigger cube motor, when DART finally comes through, and a 2 stage hitting 300 out of the hole plus another 200 in a 2800lb raceweight car. Who knows, i'd love to see it happen.


I guess it could happen if a car was 2650 lbs. My pig was 3410 at the shootout.

[jakesz28]

I think I'm the light weight one out of the group at 3175 after the pass at the shootout. I think I have Tony and outlaw by 200-250 pounds. I hop to knock some more weight out of my car this winter. I could easily take 60 pounds of of me. But the power difference between 7.95 and 8.95 is is another 400-450hp. Even if I can lose another 200 pounds it would still take 300-350 hp more.

I'm going to shot for a 8.50 car, in the future. But I want some reliability out of it. When you have to lean on a small motor car that hard they don't seem to hold up as long.

[joelster]

For lightness sake...I just had to add tubes to my car since the rears wouldn't hold air. HOLY S**T are they heavy, and it's unsprung weight too, which sucks. :( I figure they added 5lbs each to the rears, not good.

I see lots of LS1type cars on the "fastest" lists and a lot of them have raceweights (w/driver) of around the 2850-2900ish mark. If Tony were to toss his motor/tranny into one of those shells he'd be in the 8's easy.

[jakesz28]

I think Tony has what it takes to run a high 8 now. You just can't throw a new combo together and run that time on the first pass. I had a decent year last year and was ready to step it up this year. Since I had a fair grasp on tuning the nitrous and felt that the suspension could handle the power I went for it.

Just like outlaw here, last year he learned a bunch about the his combo. I don't think he changed much from last year. I think the next cars to do it are going to be, outlawz, tony, joey. All of them have good cars, joey or 30aneversary or what ever he goes by on LS1 tech has a similar combo to mine and ran 9.04 in denver last year.

[claysdad]

Is anyone running these numbers with a factory intake and LT heads?

[jakesz28]

Is anyone running these numbers with a factory intake and LT heads?

Not that I know of.

[OutlawZ]

Yuup.... trouble started early and unfortunately continued well into the night... we never really got a handle on what was the problem til the end of the night......

after running a motor pass which i do just as a precaution every time out to ensure car acts right i figured the motor pass would be boring and uneventful... car pulled clean thru 1st and 2nd then when i pulled high gear it started missing however it was still accelerating just dropping cylinders... I lifted and went 11.1@112..... something similar had happened when it ran low on fuel however we had 10 gallons int he tank but i figured it was fuel related.. we checked all the wiring to the pump and all was good.... then decided to check the distributor... the dist was loose and looked like it had turned and wouuld have thrown off the phase of the rotor and cap.... so we tightened it but when we tightened i think we tightened it to the wrong setting cause there is no way to eyeball it.... at one point the car would not start for like a good 30 minutes of troubleshooting.... Finally got the car to start made another motor pass... still was missing a bit thru high gear but not nearly as bad... Went 10.89@128 which is right on par for what we are used to... but the dirty firing was still there....

So with the ET and MPH dead on we decide to run the 150 shot... pull high gear and she's dropping cylinders again but still charging.... I stay in it and go 9.75@143.1 on the 1 stage... right on par again with what we're used to ET and MPH wise.... AF ratio was dead nuts on with what the XFI had programmed...

We had one chance to run both units and the 300 shot. Car comes out of the hole HARD, wheels up 1.39 60' time, and just as i'm pulling second gear the 2nd kit turns on and the ignition goes bezerk and it starts breaking up bad...... I got to feel about .5 of the 300 hit but had to shut her down instead of destroying the motor... It pulled like a bat out of hell for that small duration and with that 60' she would have been on a great pass....

What my tuner told me to do is take off the cap and rotor and all plug wires. Roll the motor to 24 degrees on the #1 compression stroke and lock the dist down when it's pointing at the #1 terminal.... cause right now it's probably somewhere in between #1 and #8 terminal and it can't jump across the distance causing the weak spark.... The turning of the cap made it better cause we were probably closer and allowed us to make a good motor pass. the 150 shot still had enough spark energy to ignite but was breaking up although she still had enough juice to go 9.75..... The 300 shot was just way too much cylinder pressure to ignite with the rotor being off by even a millimeter.... so I need to re-phase the rotor and maybe buy a new cap if that thing has moisture and shit built up in it.....

But she drove up onto the trailer under her own power so that's good.... race another day instead of blow motor up and be down for a year.... what IS extemely funny is trying to explain this problem to either ford guys with the dist in front or old school chevy dudes with easy access to their distributor... they were looking at me like "SO"... take the cap off, roll the motor to 24 and then tighten it down and ur done. takes like 1 minute... Then I showed them how half my motor is jammed in between the airbags and ventilation system (kidding) and they were like oh..... I told them to get me a midget with dwarf hands to get in there and take the cap off without HIGHLY specialized tools designed to fit in super tight places.... they were like "sucks to be you"... LOL

[Tony Shepherd]

Sorry to hear you had problems Jason. You need to phase it to where you are at timing on the big hit. I phased mine at 19* which is about where I commanded timing on the 275 shot. If you will be around 15* on the big hit you need to phase it to that.


btw...you texted me 9.75 @ 128 last night. Did you go 143?

[jakesz28]

I can actuallt phase the distributer on my car with a mirror. I have a lot of the sheet metal cut out and hope to do a little something different there with a lexan window and a pin on hood that goes all the way to the windshield.

Your a brave man to try the 300 shot without knowing where the rotor was pointed. It could have launched the intake or throttle body.

[grn95t/a]

sorry about your troubles man. it happens unfortantly. when you going back to try agian?

[Twisted Z]

Is anyone running these numbers with a factory intake and LT heads?


Only one guy dumb enough to do that and he just ran 9.9 shaking the tires hard enough to break the screws off in them :(

Great job guys. It will come together and you will get that number Outlaw!

[jakesz28]

Ups, now I feel dumb. See what happens when you disappear for a while. :D

[AChotrod]

Outlaw youll get it figured out soon!!! When you going back to the track??

Hell Im sure Larry will go easy 9s on the gun with factory heads and intake, once he decides to pull the trigger!!

[OutlawZ]

we're gonna go back soon.... Yeah I think i'm gonna phase the distributor tony like you said at whatever timing i'm gonna run with the big shot... I'm puilling a total of 15 from 32 so 17 is where i'm at for the 300 jets... I think i'll put it there.. but i'm going to wait to tonight and start my car in the pitch black and look for errant spark. hell it could be a burnt wire.... but i'm pretty sure it's the dist. I'll get it figured out... :D

We'll go back to the track as soon as i figure this out. The car was running good and 60 footing really well on that 1st unit...

[AChotrod]

The 60 is amazing IMO.

[jakesz28]

Just a few things to put out there, for what it is worth. I try to run on the lean side of things. I would like the fuel ring to be real light in color and don't worry about a specific AFR. At the same time my afr is leaner then 12.8 on all my tuneups. I was able to spray 350 on 112 octane and did not even burn a strap. I did this because I start with a timing number that is low. I started at 15* on a 250 shot and went up from there. I started at 12* on the 350 shot. I did that because on the 250 jetting I was able to get the timing up 22* without much of a timing mark. It is better off to be a little slow and not have any burnt straps or plugs. I would also gap the plugs tight. I have mine about .023 gap.

[Twelve]

Nice 60

[claysdad]

Only one guy dumb enough to do that and he just ran 9.9 shaking the tires hard enough to break the screws off in them :(

Great job guys. It will come together and you will get that number Outlaw!
Make that 2 guys.

[joelster]

Make that 2 guys.

WOW!!!! 9.32 on an LT4 intake is VERY impressive! Ever consider going to a single plane?

[OutlawZ]

yeah thanks mike for the info. Yeah your tune is wild at 12.8 or leaner. that's crazy. I think it's more the timing than anything. I run C16 and at 118 octane it's going to be super resistant to detonation... Our timing is pretty low to begin with at 32 degrees base. we're pulling 8 for a 150 shot and another 7 for the other 150 shot which is where i'm getting the total of 17 left. I'd actually rather take out 8 for the first stage and 9 more for the second which would leave me with 15 degrees total and then add timing back in like you said. I think with 15 degrees of advance and c16 its gonna be hard to hurt something with a 300 hit (i know it can be done but my motor is pretty stout).... and if it attempts to lean out the FAST will compensate... we're keeping it at about 11.5:1 to be safe until we get a good look at our fuel ring....

But hell first I gotta solve the ignition miss issue. I took the motor apart today (well the throttle body, valve covers and all that crap) to get to the dist. Sure enough at 30 degrees of advance where we had the dist phased to for the initial build the rotor is NOT pointed exactly to the #1 terminal. So it moved somewhat. It wasn't crazy far but probably almost 1/3 to 1/2 way between #1 and #8 which i'm imagining is a good ways. I'm going to buy a new cap and rotor to be safe and a new set of spark plug wires. I found a wire that had a slice in it all the way to the core. That coudln't have been good at all..... I'm gonna route my wires on the side of the valvecover now and go down to the plugs instead of underneath the headers.. there just isn't enough room to avoid melting a wire....

[OutlawZ]

here's my motor pass after we thought we solved the miss. it was still crossing up cylinders in high gear but ran about the same to what we usually run....

YouTube - SDV 0091

[Flyinz]

Make that 2 guys.
Im interested more in your setup,man..That thing is movin!

Good luck Jason, keep on pluggin'! :)