Bullet proof 10 bolt!?

[97lt1camaro]

Found this on camaroz28 earlier today.

Think theres any truth to it, i read through the entire thread and over the course of a years worth of posts, it held up.

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486663&highlight=bullet+proof+10+bolt (http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486663&highlight=bullet+proof+10+bolt)

My car might see the track a couple times every summer at most, so i figured it might be a cheaper alternative seeing as how it mostly only see's street duty.

Plus it would be fun!

[YZF]

That almost sounds convincing!

[97lt1camaro]

That almost sounds convincing!

I know eh? Im assuming it still wont be bullet proof by anymeans, but i mean for the lighter duty guys just running their monsters on the street, it may be a cheaper alternative.

[96lt1m6]

Looks alsmost like it would do the job on tube-flex but the main problem from all i have seen is the ring&pinion the parts are too small and essentially they eat eachother up.
12-bolt
s60
fab9

[Fastbird]

Actually, this is a pretty sound idea. Get yourself a 2 series carrier with the thicker gearset, an HD Posi unit, set it up perfectly with some aftermarket axles, and this theorhetically could be a pretty sound piece for a street/strip typical head/cam/stroker car making around 400-450 RWHP.

[jakesz28]

Looks alsmost like it would do the job on tube-flex but the main problem from all i have seen is the ring&pinion the parts are too small and essentially they eat eachother up.



Agreed. I toreup my ring and pinion and the car was an auto. I dynoed it earlier in the year at 440 rwhp. I added about another 75hp when it went out.

[chevy42083]

I've been told that the tube deflection can cause the mesh of the gears to change, which causes them to eat at eachother. Which makes sense to me.

I think that link was posted on here before, not sure.... but anyways, when I transferred the link to a truck forum I am on I was told it was nothing new... and one of the guys posted his home-made setup. I already have my bolt-in 8.5, otherwise I would do it.

[BluBeaSSt]

Eh....just put an aftermarket rear end in it people,do it right the first time.....

[97lt1camaro]

Eh....just put an aftermarket rear end in it people,do it right the first time.....


Not everyone has money to throw around like that tho, thats the issue.

Especially when having to ship things over a border here, make's it a fair bit more expensive for me. :|

My posi is peg legin' pretty decently as of last summer anyways as i sorta went through 2 sets of rear tires in 5 months haha, so i may give this a go come spring.

[96lt1m6]

You are correct about the money aspect however,how many people do you see spend a bunch of money on a head/cam set up then all the other things? The same money spent there could have got you a strong rear end.
All those cool parts offered for the 10-bolt really do help but not enough so in all actuality it will nickle and dime you till its death......
New axles 300.00
Rear cover w/brace 175.00
Heim joints and bars 250.00
zexel torsen slp take out 100.00 if still offered
New gearset 189.00
Bearings & instal kit 150.00
Moroso wheel studs 50.00
so what you have is a 1200.00 band-aid,you are not too far away from an S60

[ksmyss]

you can brace the tubes all you want but with the torque arm force put on the pinion gear area you are still going to eat up gear sets with the weak 10 bolts.

[96lt1m6]

this rear end design should have been left to the s10,vega,manza etc.
if the GM bean counters would have just left the 8.5" rear end in the f-body we would not be having the issues that affect us today...

[3DFORMULA]

this rear end design should have been left to the s10,vega,manza etc.
if the GM bean counters would have just left the 8.5" rear end in the f-body we would not be having the issues that affect us today...
So true.

[chevy42083]

this rear end design should have been left to the s10,vega,manza etc.
if the GM bean counters would have just left the 8.5" rear end in the f-body we would not be having the issues that affect us today...

I resent that :D

We S-10 owners break them also... and not just the V8 swap guys. :doh:

What's really great is that the F-bodies ALL had 7 5/8, but the 8.5 was available in S-10s. Thank you GM for the bolt-in 8.5 swap :cool:

[96lt1m6]

I resent that :D

We S-10 owners break them also... and not just the V8 swap guys. :doh:

What's really great is that the F-bodies ALL had 7 5/8, but the 8.5 was available in S-10s. Thank you GM for the bolt-in 8.5 swap :cool:

The 8.5 is not the same as the 74-81 nor the 85-87 GN:whistle:
i have run 8.5 rears with Moser axles w/c-clip eliminators into the low 9s 60' 1.23 on up for a few years. from badass small blocks to TQ monster bigblocks and every combo a grand mational can have all with great success... i have done plenty s10s as well, using this same rear end infact if you get one of the rears i mentioned put 3.73s in it and use vette backspacing on the wheel selection you will not be breaking them like you do the newer style 8.5s.....:D

[Firebat]

Looks alsmost like it would do the job on tube-flex but the main problem from all i have seen is the ring&pinion the parts are too small and essentially they eat eachother up.
12-bolt
s60
fab9

Why not the regular aftermarket 9"(Moser, Currie,Strange) instead of the fab9? Why not recommend that or even the M9? Just curious, I want to get a real good rear axle in the next year.

[BluBeaSSt]

Why not the regular aftermarket 9"(Moser, Currie,Strange) instead of the fab9? Why not recommend that or even the M9? Just curious, I want to get a real good rear axle in the next year.

Moser 9inch is more than strong enough IMO

[Darkside Motorsports]

I resent that :D

We S-10 owners break them also... and not just the V8 swap guys. :doh:

What's really great is that the F-bodies ALL had 7 5/8, but the 8.5 was available in S-10s. Thank you GM for the bolt-in 8.5 swap :cool:

.....not ALL f-bodies had 7 5/8" rears. Early 3rd gens had the 7.5", later, the 7 5/8", not to mention, all those 9 bolts runnin' around our there. Actually, f-bodies came with anything from a 12 bolt, to the weaker 10 bolt 7.5, depending on what year it was. Also, I don't believe any S-10's ever came with a 8.5, the biggest they came with was the 7 5/8", stock.

[96lt1m6]

Why not the regular aftermarket 9"(Moser, Currie,Strange) instead of the fab9? Why not recommend that or even the M9? Just curious, I want to get a real good rear axle in the next year.


just my preference if i were to EVER instal a ford rear in one of my cars that is what i would use however a 12bolt or an S60 will be quite sufficient for a large amount of our cars.


.....not ALL f-bodies had 7 5/8" rears. Early 3rd gens had the 7.5", later, the 7 5/8", not to mention, all those 9 bolts runnin' around our there. Actually, f-bodies came with anything from a 12 bolt, to the weaker 10 bolt 7.5, depending on what year it was. Also, I don't believe any S-10's ever came with a 8.5, the biggest they came with was the 7 5/8", stock.
the 7.5 and the 7.625 is the same carrier with a slight change to size they can be interchanged,they are both weak and inferior designs.....the 8.5 from the 70s would have been a much better choice to stay with.
later year s10s came with an 8.5" rear if it had a 4.3 5spd it had one...

[chevy42083]

I personally have an 8.5in rear out of an S-10.
They were very common in the ZR2 4x4s... though those are wider than regular S-10s.

I also personally have a posi out of an 80 (I think) camaro.

Oh, and my comment on all F-bodies coming with 7 5/8 was regarding anything since the creation of the S-10. Guess I wasn't clear... just meant us S-10 guys had the same rear, but had an option for a bigger one, where as the fbods of same years didn't.

[1sicks10]

Just a bit of info, all zr2s had an 8.5 and 98+ 4.3 5 speed w code motor was a 8.5 too