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popo8

02-07-2017, 11:14 PM

Lookin to trade my Caddy in on a new vehicle. Actually just batting it around.

Ive really become so fond of customized H1 Hummers with the slant back... diesel of course...

Fuel mileage and ride quality is not an issue... can anyone with any experience post up cons of owning one?

This is pretty much exactly what I would want...
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fullforce

02-08-2017, 07:39 AM

The main thing I remember about them is they were SLOOOOOOOW
I do know they offered the Duramax and Allison combo with would be way more reliable and powerful, I dont know how deep your pockets are but they are EXPENSIVE....

shownomercy

02-08-2017, 09:26 AM

They always came with a 6.5 DD, its gonna suuuuuuck. And leak oil. Which is very LT1 like, so maybe you will love it?

The 06 model has a LLY/A1000 combo, which is your best bet

SSlowBoat

02-08-2017, 10:07 AM

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/2006/hummer/h1/1206277

pricey

popo8

02-08-2017, 11:09 AM

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/2006/hummer/h1/1206277

pricey
So they can be bought with the better diesel....

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popo8

02-08-2017, 11:10 AM

They always came with a 6.5 DD, its gonna suuuuuuck. And leak oil. Which is very LT1 like, so maybe you will love it?

The 06 model has a LLY/A1000 combo, which is your best bet
Lol... none of my LT1s leak oil.

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fullforce

02-08-2017, 11:28 AM

Ive also seen them with Big blocks swapped in

shownomercy

02-08-2017, 01:13 PM

So they can be bought with the better diesel....

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2006 models. Duramax LLY. Has the potential for shoddy HG and weak head bolts, also tends to overheat if pulling full GCWR. But, I do not think a H1 can tow as much as the motor can so you should be fine unless someone put a big tune on her. Trans is good for "maybe" an additional 100hp over factory but you play with fire above that.

And nothing is cheap to replace/fix, think corvette tax but double :lol:

Whats interesting is if its an 06 engine, which means LBZ, which is like the LS1 on that family line. Few articles say LLY but 06 was LBZ so who knows.

popo8

02-08-2017, 02:15 PM

Ive also seen them with Big blocks swapped in
Well I def wanted a diesel for towing... but a 502 would be cool.

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popo8

02-08-2017, 02:16 PM

2006 models. Duramax LLY. Has the potential for shoddy HG and weak head bolts, also tends to overheat if pulling full GCWR. But, I do not think a H1 can tow as much as the motor can so you should be fine unless someone put a big tune on her. Trans is good for "maybe" an additional 100hp over factory but you play with fire above that.

And nothing is cheap to replace/fix, think corvette tax but double [emoji38]

Whats interesting is if its an 06 engine, which means LBZ, which is like the LS1 on that family line. Few articles say LLY but 06 was LBZ so who knows.
Guess I have a bunch more learning to do. Wonder if Cahall can build an H1 trans to hamdle more power...

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shownomercy

02-08-2017, 03:11 PM

The earlier years got his favorite trans, the 80e. Diesel ones got the Allison, there are a few shops on the east for that rebuild.

But again, you won't be stressing the trans with an H1.

spikester7878

02-08-2017, 03:16 PM

All I remember is when I would get a hmmwv up to top speed it was like entering the atmosphere...Also they could be fun to start sometime. The only way to start them sometimes was to block of the exhaust to build up pressure. granted I don't know if this applies to the civilian H1. Also do not open the rear hatch from both sides at the same time (if the civilian one does that) it is a royal pain in the ass to get it back on.

CPT

02-08-2017, 04:18 PM

I've built plenty of 4L80Es for H1s. It's TRUCK... Where a 4L80E belongs.

SSlowBoat

02-08-2017, 04:30 PM

I've built plenty of 4L80Es for H1s. It's TRUCK... Where a 4L80E belongs.
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popo8

02-08-2017, 06:02 PM

So there is no way to turn up the wick on the turbo diesels in the h1s? I have a guybom fb saying he has the same 6.5 in his truck making 500/800.

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SSlowBoat

02-08-2017, 06:03 PM

So there is no way to turn up the wick on the turbo diesels in the h1s? I have a guybom fb saying he has the same 6.5 in his truck making 500/800.

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popo8

02-08-2017, 06:04 PM

shownomercy said you can, but they need some things to be safe

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Ok... i thought he was refn to that other diesel motor that came in the newer ones. Tryin to take it all in.

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SSlowBoat

02-08-2017, 06:05 PM

Ok... i thought he was refn to that other diesel motor that came in the newer ones. Tryin to take it all in.

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Oh shit I think you're right. Idn, not a diesel man myself

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shownomercy

02-08-2017, 07:14 PM

fullforce

02-08-2017, 10:59 PM

Just saw the latest episode of diesel brothers... I know they make it look cool but they don't show you how insanely slow that thing is and you mentioned towing.... good luck towing, the one I used to drive would barley tow itself..
Now if you could afford the 06 duramax that should be quite an improvement.

popo8

02-09-2017, 12:15 AM

The 6.5 is a dinosaur, Idk much about em. If it's the 2006 model you get a duramax, which you can crank up to decent power easily. If you constantly beat on your trucks it's not gonna like much more than 400whp was what I was saying.
I really dont beat on any of my rides... worst it would het is a 1400mile trip pullin a trailer to BGKY for the shootout.

Other than that... its a mall crawler...

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popo8

02-09-2017, 12:15 AM

shownomercy

02-09-2017, 10:22 AM

I really dont beat on any of my rides... worst it would het is a 1400mile trip pullin a trailer to BGKY for the shootout.

Other than that... its a mall crawler...

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I am not armed services guy, but I have been in a demil version, and its not exactly something I would wanna drive 1400 mile in...

Other than looks, cause yes they look so cool, prob not the best choice for a road trip IMO.

popo8

02-09-2017, 11:16 AM

I am not armed services guy, but I have been in a demil version, and its not exactly something I would wanna drive 1400 mile in...

Other than looks, cause yes they look so cool, prob not the best choice for a road trip IMO.
Im only considering the civilian h1... not the demilitarized units.

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Tyler Wheat

02-10-2017, 12:38 AM

Unfortunately those are still in the 6 figures... :(

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Wonder how hard it is to swap one? A couple of years ago, I picked up a 100,000 mile LBZ Duramax + Allison + transfer case for $3500. That was a killer deal.

Diesels are cool until they break, haha. They always break expensive. Part prices are kinda crazy. My ARP heads studs and head gaskets for my LBZ were $1,000. Pretty sure Duramax injectors are more expensive than injectors for semi trucks.

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popo8

02-10-2017, 07:45 PM

I dont wanna worry about swapping or anything like that... wanna just get in and drive. Lol

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shownomercy

02-10-2017, 09:14 PM

Duraburb.

Do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icMIplriX14

They are doing what GM should have done.

popo8

02-11-2017, 01:50 AM

Have a friend thats gonna trade with me for a week or so... ill put some miles on his h1 and see if I dig it.

Its a wagon... but will be a good tester for me.

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agenthol302

02-11-2017, 11:36 AM

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I used to think they were cool until I had to do a color swap on one.....FML I thought it would be easy, worse thing to take apart

Gassey

02-11-2017, 03:36 PM

This probably doesn't apply and if I misread something above i apologize. The Army Humve got 2 changes/upgrades while i was in Iraq. One I saw had a turbo Diesel that put out more power than the previous but still lacked any power after 2nd gear and beyond. (this is hearsay) The other i saw had a super charged V8 (gas). I think (just assuming) thus may had been a special ops vehicle and may not have been put into the common Army circulation. The typical Humve would/could over heat but that was because of all the added armor, ammo, fuel, water, and equipment added in combat.

Over all I think it would be fun and you would like the cushier civilian model. If you don't like it, there is always someone looking to buy one.

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popo8

02-11-2017, 04:04 PM

popo8

02-11-2017, 04:05 PM

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Nothing to do with anything... other than its part HUMMER. lol

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popo8

02-11-2017, 04:06 PM

So my buddy who is gonna loan me his for a bit was messaging with me... and evem as a vehicle he loves... he had what I think is more negatives than positives...

Ugh...

"Hey bro... long time hope all is well... I had to do some serious cooking mods to get my h1 tow worthy... and it it struggles to go up serious inclines. But none the less it does the job for me. 45-55 mph it's screaming on the highway. These were not made for highway use. Mine can safely traverse at 60-70 but it's due to the mods I have done. The 6.5 motor was chosen for realizability and durability. It's not a powerful engine but it is a workhorse. I've done every mod to up power and I'm at about 350hp and 500trq ... that's not much for a 9000lbs vehicle. I can keep up with traffic and even highway traffic. These were designed for 20mph over unlaced terrain so keep that in mind. I can get into a long list of mods if you want but keep in mind this is my favorite toy, I drive it to the gym almost everyday, it's insane in the snow and there is nothing like it on the road, that being said it can be tricky at times to work on, it has military roots and specialized parts, isn't good on gas and has some quirks... but it's a fuckin HUMMER and I love mine. I know these things inside and out. I'll be honest a 1400
Mile trip at 45-55 mph is not going to be fun and it might over heat if you don't mod it, but for driving around town it would be fun. Annnnd everyone will know where you are."

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agenthol302

02-15-2017, 07:35 PM

any updates

popo8

02-16-2017, 09:23 PM

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Hopin to borrow his heavily modified h1 wagon soon. Just gotta get together.

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popo8

02-24-2017, 01:07 PM

Well the H1 really was slow. Drove it for a day and gave it back. Didnt need to drive it anymore. Pretty upset... i expected soooo much more.

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donfrye

02-24-2017, 02:50 PM

Was it as cramped for you as I've heard?

popo8

02-24-2017, 06:34 PM

Actually it was not bad at all. Alot of adjustment in the seat.

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popo8

03-01-2017, 06:48 PM

Well... looks like Im just gonna keep the caddy. Ita a great truck... i own it outright... ill enjoy the no car payment life for a bit longer.

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fullforce

03-02-2017, 07:01 AM

I had a car payment .......ONCE......

SSlowBoat

03-02-2017, 08:23 AM

Well the H1 really was slow. Drove it for a day and gave it back. Didnt need to drive it anymore. Pretty upset... i expected soooo much more.

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movies make things look cooler lol. the caddy is pimp man.

popo8

03-02-2017, 03:19 PM

movies make things look cooler lol. the caddy is pimp man.
Thanks man... ur right. People always compliment it. Guess I just go blind to how good it looks cause its become a DD and thats it. Thinkin Ill put the P1 From the camaro on it. Just need an escalade bracket and piping.

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SSlowBoat

03-02-2017, 03:52 PM

Thanks man... ur right. People always compliment it. Guess I just go blind to how good it looks cause its become a DD and thats it. Thinkin Ill put the P1 From the camaro on it. Just need an escalade bracket and piping.

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Universal cx racing piping kit and intercooler

http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GIBB-002-03-06-GM-Truck-48-53-60-Bracket-Assembly-ATI-3GIBB-002.htm

For 03-06

http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GIBB-001-99-03-GM-Truck-48-53-60-Bracket-Assembly-ATI-3GIBB-001.htm

For 99-03

Have Frank build trans too. Then it'll be fuuuuun

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popo8

03-02-2017, 06:47 PM

Universal cx racing piping kit and intercooler

http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GIBB-002-03-06-GM-Truck-48-53-60-Bracket-Assembly-ATI-3GIBB-002.htm

For 03-06

http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GIBB-001-99-03-GM-Truck-48-53-60-Bracket-Assembly-ATI-3GIBB-001.htm

For 99-03

Have Frank build trans too. Then it'll be fuuuuun

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Damn... good stuff. Will start doing some shopping. Gonna talk to procharger first and see whhat blower I will need to see 15 to 20 lbs on the camaros motor (for the future swap) without being over kill, then once I know that, should be able to make the boosted escalade happen relatively easy.

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SSlowBoat

03-02-2017, 06:50 PM

Damn... good stuff. Will start doing some shopping. Gonna talk to procharger first and see whhat blower I will need to see 15 to 20 lbs on the camaros motor (for the future swap) without being over kill, then once I know that, should be able to make the boosted escalade happen relatively easy.

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That's pretty simple, f1a or d1sc

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popo8

03-02-2017, 06:53 PM

That's pretty simple, f1a or d1sc

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Yup... but if its d1... ill just semd my p1 out for the d1 conversion and find a cheap p1 (been seeing a few for sale lately) for the caddy...

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shownomercy

03-02-2017, 09:56 PM

If you want to tow and keep the caddy as a solid DD, do not supercharge it. Leave it be.

popo8

03-02-2017, 10:12 PM

If you want to tow and keep the caddy as a solid DD, do not supercharge it. Leave it be.

Do u think a supercharger will hurt towing? I figured it would help with increased hp/tq.

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SSlowBoat

03-02-2017, 10:18 PM

Do u think a supercharger will hurt towing? I figured it would help with increased hp/tq.

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It's an lq4, aren't those like indestructable according to ls guys?

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popo8

03-02-2017, 10:56 PM

It's an lq4, aren't those like indestructable according to ls guys?

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Isnt the 6.0 the lq9 or something like that?

Either way... I thought the same thing. Guys like Jace and his notch were boosting the hell out of stock bottom ends and going 8s or 9s. I just want 5-8 lbs to wake up the escalade a bit.

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shownomercy

03-03-2017, 08:02 AM

Sustained high load is much harsher on the motor/cooling system than a quick burst with a car than weighs 3k lbs...

Towing with boosted gassers is a tough challenge but it def can be done.

harner

03-03-2017, 12:32 PM

I would look into an LSA top end on that Caddy. They are probably a better bang for the buck than a Procharger. Or turbo of course.

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popo8

03-03-2017, 01:37 PM

I would look into an LSA top end on that Caddy. They are probably a better bang for the buck than a Procharger. Or turbo of course.

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Lol... better bang for the buck than a procharger I already have?

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harner

03-03-2017, 01:53 PM

Lol... better bang for the buck than a procharger I already have?

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I thought you had other plans for that. Sounds like a plan, then! There was a guy on the motor city forum who towed with his 5.3 that had a whipple. It wasn't a monster and I don't remember the numbers, but it made it a much more practical tow rig. He recently sold it for a better optioned 496 truck.

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popo8

03-03-2017, 01:55 PM

I thought you had other plans for that. Sounds like a plan, then! There was a guy on the motor city forum who towed with his 5.3 that had a whipple. It wasn't a monster and I don't remember the numbers, but it made it a much more practical tow rig. He recently sold it for a better optioned 496 truck.

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Being that the p1 was maxed out at just under 10 lbs of boost... ill be upgrading the blower for the lt1 when it gets transplanted... leaving me with the p1 to use on the caddy.

SNM is under the impression towing with a boosted gas motor would be hard on the cooling system and I dont wanna hurt the caddy. Not lookin for a race truck... just figured 5-8 lbs of boost

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SSlowBoat

03-03-2017, 01:59 PM

Being that the p1 was maxed out at just under 10 lbs of boost... ill be upgrading the blower for the lt1 when it gets transplanted... leaving me with the p1 to use on the caddy.

SNM is under the impression towing with a boosted gas motor would be hard on the cooling system and I dont wanna hurt the caddy. Not lookin for a race truck... just figured 5-8 lbs of boost

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so put a bigger rad on it? i think it will be fine if it is intercooled and tuned with a 160 stat. just have frank send you a monster trans cooler

popo8

03-03-2017, 02:00 PM

so put a bigger rad on it? i think it will be fine if it is intercooled and tuned with a 160 stat. just have frank send you a monster trans cooler
Its got a trans cooler on it currently.

I guess if it runs hot I could always upgrade the rad... or at least the fans.

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SSlowBoat

03-03-2017, 02:01 PM

Its got a trans cooler on it currently.

I guess if it runs hot I could always upgrade the rad... or at least the fans.

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You installed a larger external trans cooler already? In that case, it should be good. Factory electric fans move alot of air

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popo8

03-03-2017, 02:02 PM

You installed a larger external trans cooler already? In that case, it should be good. Factory electric fans move alot of air

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Yes... upgraded before i towed to Kentucky last year.

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harner

03-03-2017, 02:03 PM

I don't think you'll be overworking the Escalade with a little boost and supporting mods. Its not like it'll see 8psi at 65mph for 500 miles. The motor will be barely breathing at 2k rpm. You'll be glad it's there when you are climbing hills.

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fullforce

03-03-2017, 02:14 PM

id sell the procharger and go turbo, much better for towing

popo8

03-03-2017, 02:41 PM

id sell the procharger and go turbo, much better for towing
Why do u feel that?

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fullforce

03-03-2017, 03:27 PM

Turbo works good under load

popo8

03-03-2017, 03:35 PM

Turbo works good under load
I only tow once a year... seems like the pain in selling my p1 and fabrication of a turbo set up is overkill though.

The 6.0 already tows ok under load... figured a little boost from the p1 would be just fine

U really think a turbo is worth all that headache?

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SSlowBoat

03-03-2017, 07:09 PM

I only tow once a year... seems like the pain in selling my p1 and fabrication of a turbo set up is overkill though.

The 6.0 already tows ok under load... figured a little boost from the p1 would be just fine

U really think a turbo is worth all that headache?

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The supercharger is only gonna come into play when you're at a certain load and rpm and throttle position, I really don't see a problem with it

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fullforce

03-03-2017, 07:50 PM

Yea I wouldn't worry about it much.
If you were towing alot more I'd just get a 2500 duramax 06+

shownomercy

03-03-2017, 09:14 PM

The supercharger is only gonna come into play when you're at a certain load and rpm and throttle position, I really don't see a problem with it

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Come into play alright, you remember that gas caddy trailer I linked a while back? Better invest now :lol:

SSlowBoat

03-03-2017, 09:19 PM

Come into play alright, you remember that gas caddy trailer I linked a while back? Better invest now [emoji38]
No I don't remember it. How many times towing with a 6.0 are you gonna reach half throttle? Very few. Less than towing with an anemic high mile 4.8 ext cab z71, and that drags uhaul trailers with these cars on them no issue. The supercharger will help, and won't hurt with low boost.

Damn diezel kids yo. Go fetch some spark plugs. Lol

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