Who agrees with Trump?

[Vicious95Z28]

I can't help but ask...how many people agree with Trump and his ban on Muslims entering the country and why or why not?


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[shownomercy]

Its a stupid proposal, he would be better to have said ban any immigrant but then again, it wouldn't rile up everyone.

[Jayz28]

I don't understand why everyone is upset with what he said. Its on every channel and everyone is upset saying he is promoting hate/racism. And that its against America.

I feel like there's nothing wrong with protecting your home/country. It is a fact that Muslim ppl are encouraged to hate or kill all infidels. That means real Muslims hate us and think we are better off dead.

I don't see nothing wrong with limiting the countries intake of Muslims that could very easily turn into radicals.

Same with illegals. If people want to come to America they need to do it legally. The right way.

Just my opinion.

[shownomercy]

Because how, do you actually say yes you are a muslim, or no, you re not, you can come in? Its childish and he knows it. It stirs the public up and gets him coverage. End of story.

Or perhaps, any smart terrorist just starts by saying he isn't muslim...? Again, its stupid and it caters to knee jerk reactions.

Do not misinterpret that I disagree with what I think he means, shut down legal immigration until we can figure out how to make the process 100%. But, he showcasing it against the muslims of the world is what I think is dumb.

[seymour buttz]

Even if there was a ban, probably wouldn't work. You can put a band-aid on a cut, but it wont help when the infection is already in the blood.

[joelster]

He said it because deep down, the vast majority of Americans have a hatred towards muslims whether you/we admit it or not. We weren't raised to hate them, but with the past actions of the last 30+ years (here and abroad), they haven't exactly done ANYTHING to earn our respect and trust. By Trump coming right out and saying it, there will be a shitload of people jumping on the bandwagon.

[SS RRR]

In other news, this was glorious:

http://youtu.be/mfzSlldIUHQ

[Jayz28]

In other news, this was glorious:

http://youtu.be/mfzSlldIUHQ

That was great! [emoji106]🏼[emoji106]🏼

[Dan]

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Inb4 Trump is the next Fuhrer.

[popo8]

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Inb4 Trump is the next Fuhrer.
Wow... smh.

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[joelster]

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Inb4 Trump is the next Fuhrer.

That's all interesting for sure, but Trump won't be using blitzkreig tactics to invade other countries, setting up concentration camps to exterminate races/religious groups, and attempting to take over the world.

[shownomercy]

What makes me laugh is the fact that before Hitler there was wide spread anti semetic rumblings, he capitalized on that of course but he didn't just tell Germany to one day hate the Jews.

Politics are fucking dumb.

[Dan]

That's all interesting for sure, but Trump won't be using blitzkreig tactics to invade other countries, setting up concentration camps to exterminate races/religious groups, and attempting to take over the world.
Duh he'd just nuke shit.

What makes me laugh is the fact that before Hitler there was wide spread anti semetic rumblings, he capitalized on that of course but he didn't just tell Germany to one day hate the Jews.

Politics are fucking dumb.
There is widespread anti Muslim rumblings.

I ain't saying Trump is the next Hitler ya'll. He's got my vote over dumb fuck hillary

[shownomercy]

Widespread? Like the "widespread" war on cops?

Or just, media firestorm to provoke people?

[Vicious95Z28]

That's all interesting for sure, but Trump won't be using blitzkreig tactics to invade other countries, setting up concentration camps to exterminate races/religious groups, and attempting to take over the world.
The Jews also weren't strapping bombs to themselves, crashing airplanes and taking hostages!

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[shownomercy]

The Jews also weren't strapping bombs to themselves, crashing airplanes and taking hostages!

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So the actions of a few, demonize the whole?

[Vicious95Z28]

No but those actions make folks cautious.

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[shownomercy]

So again, how do you propose "muslims" or lets just say "people of a certain religon" are going to be vetted?

What makes a radical christian or jew any less of a danger? If there starts to be backlash against American muslims, by say radical christians, should we then deport them as well?

[Vicious95Z28]

I didn't say I had a solution brother, neither does anyone else.

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[shownomercy]

I didn't say I had a solution brother, neither does anyone else.

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Agreed, and why Trump is still gaining steam IMO is cause he proposes ideas and things. Whereas the current potus just says we should be understanding and turn in firearms, so I can see why people want to see definite change in the game plan. The media is not helping anything but feed the frenzy that is gonna boil over soon.

[Vicious95Z28]

I completely agree with that statement.

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[SS RRR]

What makes a radical christian or jew any less of a danger? If there starts to be backlash against American muslims, by say radical christians, should we then deport them as well?
If there are any clashes with Muslims in the U.S. I highly doubt it'll be from "radical Christians." The media will most likely paint it that way, however.

[Jayz28]

Everything coming out of candidates mouthes is just to get votes. To sway ppl to their side. No one really knows what will be done until they officially take office.

I just like Trump because he says what others are afraid to say. He tells it how it is. He pisses ppl off with how he says it is his biggest problem. Some of his ideas are good too.

I just want more better jobs in the country is all I want and to be safe. Democrats just aren't getting it done. Time to try something new imo.

[Catmaigne]

Modern day McCarthyism... that's all it is.

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[donfrye]

Trump elicits an emotional response. It's his whole schtick.

Some will completely agree and some will completely disagree but both sides will have a distinct opinion. He's living and likely dying on emotion.

The sad part of it all is that he absolutely cannot and will not win a general election. He's said and done too much dumb.

Trump getting the Republican nod is gifting the White House to the Democrats.

[gmpowered]

Everything coming out of candidates mouthes is just to get votes. To sway ppl to their side. No one really knows what will be done until they officially take office.

I just like Trump because he says what others are afraid to say. He tells it how it is. He pisses ppl off with how he says it is his biggest problem. Some of his ideas are good too.

I just want more better jobs in the country is all I want and to be safe. Democrats just aren't getting it done. Time to try something new imo.

Thats not true. He is a joke/ but better than hillary.
Trump talks to the moderate average uniformed voter.(you) which sadly is the majority. He is power hungry, gives him all the wrong reasons to run for POTUS.


When trump says stupid shit, it just gets his name circulating more. Which is how he might win. The sheeple gobble his shit up.

When you look at the things trump says most of it is not feasible, IDK if he gets in what he could possibly accomplish based off his wild ideas.
Most of it he would need the house and or senate to approve.
THE Potus isnt a dictator who can just magically change things.

Ted cruz, is a man of integrity and principle. Cruz terrifies EVERY politician. HE says what he means, means what he says.(Regan) He would literally shake up Washington politics. Every special interest would suffer IE every politician every large corrupt corporation ect ect. He would transfer power Back to the constitution which means power back to the people.
Like him i believe America already has all the answers.

The more the country leans left the more chaos there will be. We need to steer back to what America was and can be.

[shownomercy]

gmpowered did you see Cruz was the only GOP guy who did not blatantly trash Trump but playing his hand very well IMO.

[gmpowered]

@gmpowered (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=7663) did you see Cruz was the only GOP guy who did not blatantly trash Trump but playing his hand very well IMO.
They could be running mates.
Cruz has more intellect that all candidates put together. Read what he says of script, off hand. Its amazing. It looks like it took a team of writers to say what he responds with. Its better than most presidential speeches.

[Jayz28]

I just like what he says. I like how he's kissing people off. And he may be a little power hungry or even a lot but I think he is pissed off with how the democrats have trashed our country too.

Who ever wins the GOP will get my vote no matter what. I just want jobs! My number 1 issue with America is there's no future for the working people. Number 2 is all the political correct bulls!t. Everyone doesn't want to hurt someone else's feelings. They will get sued and be branded a racist and promoting hate!

That's why I like Trump. He's pissed off a lot of people.

And I feel we democrats already have it won. They've bought way too many votes over the past 8 years.

1) They won gay votes
2) Hispanic votes
3) Black votes
4) Muslim votes not sure what their actual minority is called.
5) Young voters loved Obama
6) Environmentalist are gonna vote democrat
7) hardcore democrats will always vote democrat
8) Poor people living off the government will vote democrat no matter what!


If they win swing voters, the ones on the fence, then what chance does the Republican Party have? I think the democrats have been setting this up for the last 10 years.

[seymour buttz]

Why is it assumed that Muslims vote dem. Their principles fall in line with hard right wingers. Anti-gay, pro-God(Allah), Anti-Abortion(Women's rights), pro-gun etc. etc.

[Jayz28]

Why is it assumed that Muslims vote dem. Their principles fall in line with hard right wingers. Anti-gay, pro-God(Allah), Anti-Abortion(Women's rights), pro-gun etc. etc.

I assume it because I figure since Obama does things and says things to protect most Muslims they would automatically vote to keep him or other democrats in party. Just an opinion really. Or an observation? Heck I dunno. Just blabbing cause I'm bored.

[seymour buttz]

I see why they would for sure, especially against Trump. I just wonder if that is the way vote.

[joelster]

I see why they would for sure, especially against Trump. I just wonder if that is the way vote.


Their main weapon is infiltration. Then comes terrorism. Much easier to commit acts of terror when the country you're doing your deed in welcomes you with open arms.

[gmpowered]

Why is it assumed that Muslims vote dem. Their principles fall in line with hard right wingers. Anti-gay, pro-God(Allah), Anti-Abortion(Women's rights), pro-gun etc. etc.

Your ignorant statement is astounding.
Barry has sent them guns they also have heavy equipment ground to air missles ect thanks to Barry(pro gun).
He has also stood idley by as they have murdered thousands. (Pro full term abortion)
He has also labeled their attacks here as work place violence protecting Islam(pro Allah)

They have the same goals as the socialist liberals and are fighting the same fight. That's why liberal politicians protect and support Isis.
They share the same ideology of totalitarianism.
It's exactly why Barry Hussein hasn't acted for almost 8 years.

It's getting scary that people are so indoctrinated to the idea of totalitarianism that they don't even know they sound just like Isis.
My own Governor said their is no place in Ny for conservatives.
It's the same ideology of our way or the highway.
Socialist have a long history of using the same methods as Isis to enforce their ideology.

[shownomercy]

So many sweeping assumptions.

You cannot on one hand defend cops and say the actions of a few don't tarnish the majority, or, gun owners... the actions of a few don't tarnish the majority but then abruptly say well that doesn't apply to this.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)

[donfrye]

For the record, Muslims and Hispanics both SHOULD be the best friend of the Republican party because their basic platforms should be similar.

Unfortunately, that's not the case for a number of reasons.


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)

Not a shot at you but it's funny how far from its historical context and significance that quote has actually moved. The quote itself had almost nothing to do with what folks who use it profess it to mean.


From a guy who actually works for the Federal Dept. of Homeland Security, there is need for pause and further vetting of individuals entering the country from both the EU and Middle East. There is literally no way to determine what we are dealing with using the methods in place now. Personal adjudication along with deep research needs to be done. Without it, you're absorbing a bunch of people who are virtually unknown to anyone, including their own countries who do not maintain documentation worth a shit on its citizens.

[shownomercy]

For the record, Muslims and Hispanics both SHOULD be the best friend of the Republican party because their basic platforms should be similar.

Unfortunately, that's not the case for a number of reasons.
Not a shot at you but it's funny how far from its historical context and significance that quote has actually moved. The quote itself had almost nothing to do with what folks who use it profess it to mean.
From a guy who actually works for the Federal Dept. of Homeland Security, there is need for pause and further vetting of individuals entering the country from both the EU and Middle East. There is literally no way to determine what we are dealing with using the methods in place now. Personal adjudication along with deep research needs to be done. Without it, you're absorbing a bunch of people who are virtually unknown to anyone, including their own countries who do not maintain documentation worth a shit on its citizens.

It was quick search, just wanted to sum up the feeling of liberty and freedom does not guarantee ones safety. Either you live free and in potential danger or you subject your liberty to the govt for the clause of safety. From yourself, dangerous chemicals, terrorists, whatever.

And again, I am not against shutting down immigration at the time being, but thats not what Trump said.

[donfrye]

I swear I wasn't criticizing you.

I just see stuff like that so often that sometimes I chime in.


the words appear in a letter widely presumed to be written by Franklin in 1755 on behalf of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the colonial governor. “The letter was a salvo in a power struggle between the governor and the assembly over funding for security on the frontier, one in which the assembly wished to tax the lands of the Penn family,” he explains.The letter wasn’t about liberty but about taxes and the ability to “raise money for defense against French and Indian attacks. The governor kept vetoing the assembly’s efforts at the behest of the family, which had appointed him.”
Indeed, if you look at the text surrounding the famous quote (http://books.google.com/books?id=HptPAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA100&dq=%22deserve+neither%22+franklin+-essential&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0Gn6UojUGuPr2wWlnYHoAw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22deserve%20neither%22%20franklin%20-essential&f=false), it’s pretty clearly about money: “Our assemblies have of late had so many supply bill, and of such different kinds, rejected, on various pretences,” wrote Franklin.

[shownomercy]

Its all good, appreciate the learning!

[waltsfastz]

IF the primary were tomorrow I would vote for Ted Cruz.
As far as Trump goes his biggest downfall in my eyes is not giving details for anything. HE talks a lot but doesnt have any meat behind anything. Go to Cruz website and read his tax plan, I know Rubio has one as well. Most other candidates has plans to make stuff work. Trump just says what he wants but no real solution. I am Pro life and pro gun. These are my 2 biggest concerns. Jobs come in as a close 3 rd. We need more industry in this country. We dont make anything anymore becuase of shit deal like NAFTA and the EPA putting so much restrictions that we cant manufacture anything. Trump has however in a round about way that he would repeal NAFTA if he is elected.
However it falls Ill vote for any of the Republicans before I vote for Hillary or Sanders.

[gmpowered]

For the record, Muslims and Hispanics both SHOULD be the best friend of the Republican party because their basic platforms should be similar.

Unfortunately, that's not the case for a number of reasons.



Not a shot at you but it's funny how far from its historical context and significance that quote has actually moved. The quote itself had almost nothing to do with what folks who use it profess it to mean.


From a guy who actually works for the Federal Dept. of Homeland Security, there is need for pause and further vetting of individuals entering the country from both the EU and Middle East. There is literally no way to determine what we are dealing with using the methods in place now. Personal adjudication along with deep research needs to be done. Without it, you're absorbing a bunch of people who are virtually unknown to anyone, including their own countries who do not maintain documentation worth a shit on its citizens.
Trump also says we need to only allow.people in who can be productive, and I agree. This is simply another push by dems to further their voter base regardless of consequence.

The Ben Franklin quote is two sided, but using historical documents and their context sadly holds no meaning anymore.

What I want to know is how do you research someone who has no paper trail? You can vett them all you want it won't reveal anything about them.

I suggest eating bacon test.

[shownomercy]

Trump also says we need to only allow.people in who can be productive, and I agree. This is simply another push by dems to further their voter base regardless of consequence.

The Ben Franklin quote is two sided, but using historical documents and their context sadly holds no meaning anymore.

What I want to know is how do you research someone who has no paper trail? You can vett them all you want it won't reveal anything about them.

I suggest eating bacon test.

And how do you make the selection criteria for only "productive" people allowed in?

Its all empty words at this point that appeal to base emotions of people. Until I hear some actual plans, I will be waiting to see how the candidates fall out.

While everyone scorns Sanders, he has a great record of voting what he says and for that I respect the guy. Clinton, well, I will be polite and not say anything. :lol:

[seymour buttz]

Your ignorant statement is astounding.
Barry has sent them guns they also have heavy equipment ground to air missles ect thanks to Barry(pro gun).
He has also stood idley by as they have murdered thousands. (Pro full term abortion)
He has also labeled their attacks here as work place violence protecting Islam(pro Allah)

They have the same goals as the socialist liberals and are fighting the same fight. That's why liberal politicians protect and support Isis.
They share the same ideology of totalitarianism.
It's exactly why Barry Hussein hasn't acted for almost 8 years.

It's getting scary that people are so indoctrinated to the idea of totalitarianism that they don't even know they sound just like Isis.
My own Governor said their is no place in Ny for conservatives.
It's the same ideology of our way or the highway.
Socialist have a long history of using the same methods as Isis to enforce their ideology.

So you must be one of the WAYYY right wingers i was talking about. They this, they that....... When referencing voting, we are only talking about Muslim Americans, so your first paragraph doesn't matter.

As far as politicians protecting and supporting ISIS, that's a little absurd.

[popo8]

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[joelster]

I like Trump's thoughts on foreign companies selling their product on US soil. If he gets elected look for things to change on imports.

1988:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI


Don't think he hasn't forgot about how bad we're being hammered by cheap foreign goods:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gR7iBZhbLE

[Vicious95Z28]

Well I've got to admit that I enjoyed those two videos.

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[donfrye]

Trump also says we need to only allow.people in who can be productive, and I agree. This is simply another push by dems to further their voter base regardless of consequence.

The Ben Franklin quote is two sided, but using historical documents and their context sadly holds no meaning anymore.

What I want to know is how do you research someone who has no paper trail? You can vett them all you want it won't reveal anything about them.

I suggest eating bacon test.

Personal human adjudication of those with no paper trail. Acquaintance review. Tribe/neighborhood research. Known associations. There are a million ways to learn about someone's motivations. It just takes research and review.

No system will be 100% but using FBI profilers and interviewers to assist in interviewing would be a huge step forward.

Also, productive is a subjective and ridiculous term. I'm not really going to address that other than to say that insisting they be productive insinuates WE will find them a job in which they can produce. That displaces someone else and puts the responsibility on us. NO, just no.

Quotes should be used in line with their intent. Quoting something without context, where you lack understanding of the quote, is pretty foolish regardless of what meme from Facebook you choose. If you think historical context of the person making the quote has no meaning, you are ill-equipped to use those quotes. Essentially, you are saying, "I don't care what he meant or was even talking about. It means this because....2015, America, fuck you."

[popo8]

The bacon eating test suggestion made me laugh.

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[donfrye]

So, no Jews?

[shownomercy]

So, no Jews?

Shush, stop using that high logic, we need more knee jerk reaction stuff!!!!!

Annnd here, we, go
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/House-bill-would-require-visas-of-visitors-to-Iran-Iraq-and-Syria-436799

[harner]

Here is my stance on Trump...for the haters and the lovers lol:

Donald Trump knows his business, well. He knows how to make money and use/lean on the system to make sure his business stays afloat (referring to bankruptcy claims, etc.). He also knows how to win a popularity contest. Donald Trump is a smart man, he knows how to speak so that people will listen and get on his side by explaining his point of view and how it makes sense. He can manipulate words like the best of them, and also use them bluntly to rip his competitors and other nations down. This all comes from watching the debates and clips of his speeches, it's not rocket science.

In the age of social media, you NEED to be a speaker of this caliber. You need to be witty and, at times, bully your opponents to get ahead. The CONSERVATIVE party has a pile of non-politicians running for president? Anyone ever think about that? Our country wants to elect a president based on a popularity contest.

I'm a registered republican and have voted for Republican candidates in all but one presidential election. I'd vote Trump, not based on his words alone, but simply because he's willing to make a change and ruffle the feathers of our government. Trump would work for the people, by the people.

I saw that picture comparing him to Hitler, which is ironic because there is one just like it for Hillary. What I don't like about Trump is he has yet to win the atheist vote. He's too busy trying to say things that the main stream media is too sissified to say. "Ban all muslims, bomb the bad guys, build a wall, obamacare sucks, derp de derp" What about going to Mars? How about bumping up funding to find life in distant solar systems outside of our own? Let's increase spending on cancer and disease research. Instead our primary focus is on WWIII with a bunch of third world countries, spending billions of dollars we don't have. At the end of the day, this is a war that is thousands of years old and based around religion. Religion lol. I've seen magic acts more believable than any religion. You know what my religion is? Work, family, friends, and cars amirite.

As for Muslims and banning them, that's absurd. I understand a need of sorting out the bad apples, but maybe we need to ramp up our background security protocols. I view ISIS and other radical Islamic groups the same that I view the KKK and Neo-Nazis with Christianity.

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[gmpowered]

Personal human adjudication of those with no paper trail. Acquaintance review. Tribe/neighborhood research. Known associations. There are a million ways to learn about someone's motivations. It just takes research and review.

No system will be 100% but using FBI profilers and interviewers to assist in interviewing would be a huge step forward.

Also, productive is a subjective and ridiculous term. I'm not really going to address that other than to say that insisting they be productive insinuates WE will find them a job in which they can produce. That displaces someone else and puts the responsibility on us. NO, just no.

Quotes should be used in line with their intent. Quoting something without context, where you lack understanding of the quote, is pretty foolish regardless of what meme from Facebook you choose. If you think historical context of the person making the quote has no meaning, you are ill-equipped to use those quotes. Essentially, you are saying, "I don't care what he meant or was even talking about. It means this because....2015, America, fuck you."

I agree,
I've read how the recent San Bernardino shooter wife was interviewed and the questions asked are ridiculous.
Our military in Afghanistan did the same collecting Intel.
To me it seems kinda crazy to do this for one sect of refugees. Not to mention having a beuracracy agree on the method.

[HellTeeOne]

Here are my thoughts.

Trump has marketed himself more effectively than any other politician in at least a generation or two. Trump's popularity is multifaceted and still growing, and his supporters are very loyal. Yes, he says things other politicians don't. He conducts himself in a manner that would sink any other politician. He is very popular with single-issue voters and relatively uneducated folks deep in red-state territory, and he is also very popular with Republicans who think this country is going to hell in a hand-bag. These types of people are quite easy to win over, all you have to do is say what they want to hear and show outward signs of strong leadership qualities, which Trump certainly does.
These Trump people, who tend to be mostly working class, have felt helpless for quite some time now and mostly have not participated in the recent "economic recovery" that has sent the DOW average soaring in recent years. They work for their money rather than the other way around, and for more than a decade have watched jobs evaporate, prices for necessities soar, wars becoming a continuous fact of life, debt consuming us, and social unrest and division becoming rampant. They don't want a Cruz, Rubio, Bush, Christie or any other candidate that is already bought and paid for by big GOP donors who orchestrated the corporate takeover that caused their best friend to lose his job last year. For the last few election cycles the GOP has, one way or another, slammed the door on any candidate that they feel won't play ball with their Neocon agenda.
I have a theory that many of these Trump supporters are playing the "anybody but who the GOP establishment wants" game, and Trump is well aware of that and has tapped into it with tremendous success. Chances are, most of these people do not agree with everything Trump says, but the Donald is gaining tremendous trust and legitimacy with them because he's willing to bring these topics up and take a stand to begin with.

I think it's rather refreshing. This is the most interesting primary season in decades for one reason, and that reason is Donald Trump. The GOP has ignored voters and has represented hate, division and corporatism for far too long now, and I hope these seeds of destruction continue to grow and thrive in a party that lost it's way more than 20 years ago. They just quit being conservative.

I find nothing conservative about spending a trillion dollars a year on the military and continuous wars.
I find nothing conservative about constant demagoguery on abortion or gay marriage or other subjects that don't really matter and should be left to the states.
I find nothing conservative about inflating our money supply and debasing our currency so big banks can continue to fleece us of our hard-earned money on a regular basis.
I find nothing conservative about giving big oil and it's army of speculators on Wall Street every single thing they want so they can continue to artificially drive oil prices well past the threshold of pain for many Americans.
I find nothing conservative about continuing to kill and imprison millions of people for possession or use of certain plant extracts.
I find nothing conservative about the government having unfettered access to my private conversations or sensitive personal data or correspondence.

These are all things that the GOP has been supporting and implementing at all levels of government for decades now. For conservatives, the Democrats' platform of high taxes and more government control and regulation of everything isn't the answer.

Regardless of Donald Trump's handful of outrageous positions of issues, he represents an opportunity to millions of voters to break the special interests' deathgrip on the only major party left in this country that purports itself to be conservative. Conservatives feel betrayed by the GOP, and they'll take anything that isn't the same old neocon establishment corporate shill at this point.

[jaysz2893]

My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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[dawdaw]

My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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Yup!

[harner]

My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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Boom.

[024mula]

My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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:thumbsup:

[Dan]

My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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100000% accurate. Couldn't be said any better

[jaysz2893]

So my advice is to not worry totally on the election of the President but to get out to the polls come election time and dethrone the ones that have sat for far too long in seats of too much power and influence.

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[HellTeeOne]

My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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While this is correct, the presidency is the most visible and powerful office in the land, and therefore the easiest route from which to effect change. I'd wager that more than 75% of Americans pay more attention to the president and what he is doing more than they do their own congresscritter, mayor, state rep, or anyone else. The president sets the stage and has a LOT of leverage to steer and shape policy, particularly foreign policy. The special interests have known this for many decades, hence why they purchase the presidency from both parties every cycle. The powerful business interests that control this country realized a long time ago that in order to become elected, you had to be on the ballot. So far, they have been able to very effectively control who is able to make it on the ballot of both parties by injecting lots of money throughout the nomination process.

The reason Trump's campaign is so disruptive is that they can neither kick him off the ballot (he'll go run third party) nor can they exercise effective control over him. No other politician in decades has been able to threaten the special interests' control over the political process like Trump has been able to, and that's why the Republican establishment is running so scared. Jeb Bush has even hinted that he might support Hillary if Trump were to win the GOP nomination.

I'm a pretty hardcore Libertarian, but I also have some mercantilist beliefs that US foreign policy should be written to favor Americans. I've felt betrayed and let down by the GOP pretty much all of my adult life. I feel like I've been lied to for years by them about how they support personal liberty and fiscal responsibility. It's time the GOP either change course or be destroyed or marginalized, and I feel Trump is the only tool capable of accomplishing this, for better or worse.

I also have a feeling that if Trump were to become president, he would govern very differently than he is campaigning. I've met Trump face-to-face briefly one time in the Atrium of Trump Tower. Much nicer and warmer persona than you'd ever imagine. Being in the real estate development business myself, I've also known several people who have known him personally and dealt with him on several occasions and all have told me that his demeanor in private or business settings is level-headed, calm and pragmatic; very much different than what he does for the cameras.