LPP Vendor Question

[Darkknight039]

I recently purchased a set of LPP LT1 long tube headers and y-pipe from this vendor. I must say that the items themselves look great and seem to be of very high quality. My question is, when I finally received these items they arrived in "XS Power" packaging and have "XS Power" nameplates welded on the headers and y-pipe. Naturally, I was very concerned as I was assured that these were 321 stainless and made in the U.S. before I bought them. I looked up the XS Power brand and the headers look nearly identical to what I received. I also contacted XS Power and they said their headers and y-pipe are made of 304 stainless and they are made in China. I contacted Carl from LPP and he assures me that these are 321 stainless and made in Georgia but will not respond as to why these headers say XS Power. The communication from LPP since placing my order up to now has been extremely poor. I just want to know what headers I have. It seems most people who have XS Power systems seem pretty happy with them while a few have had some pretty bad experiences.
I just want to know what I have here. Are these actually XS Power headers made of 304 stainless and made in China and LPP is just pulling and bait and switch? Or are they really 321 stainless and made in Georgia? And if so, why are they marked and packaged as a different brand?
Did I get scammed?
Thanks for any info.

[popo8]

LPP is a sponsor here, however they do not frequent the site to often. I tagged LPP in this post, so hopefully it notifies them.

[shownomercy]

lulz, someone forgot to tell Mr. Chinaman to not tag that batch

[Ryan Stout]

You'd think LPP would actually ship from their own facility if they were trying to hide it. Wow

[mattgw86]

Don't they contract xs power to make the headers? Mine have that same tag. They also fit perfect, so I didn't really give it much thought. My headers did come with bunch of shiny xs power and ssautochrome stickers. They're on my beer fridge now...

[Darkknight039]

Don't they contract xs power to make the headers? Mine have that same tag. They also fit perfect, so I didn't really give it much thought. My headers did come with bunch of shiny xs power and ssautochrome stickers. They're on my beer fridge now...

You have the same thing? So he contracts XS Power to make them to his specifications? That's what I want to know. It's like ordering a Samsung TV and it arrives in a Sony box with A Sony emblem on the TV so you would naturally think you got a Sony and not the Samsung you thought you were getting.

[mattgw86]

Yes, I don't recall anything on the packaging saying LPP. I remember seeing something at one point about him contacting them, but I don't remember if it was here or LS1 tech.

[Darkknight039]

When I contacted XS power they told me that all there headers are made from 304 stainless and they are made in China. So now I'm confused as to how he would go through them if his headers are made of 321 stainless and made in Georgia.

[harner]

Anyone have popcorn? lol I think the topic already came up about LPP headers being made by XS Power and how just because it's made in china doesn't mean it's junk. LPP probably did a good bit of quality control and wanted XS to make the headers to their specifications. Stainless Works has an LT our for other platforms where they do the exact same thing. That's right, a header company outsources a product out which sells for $550 but competes with their own in-house $1200 product.

I wouldn't be afraid to rock a set of LPP LT's, they have great reviews. As long as XS doesn't botch the templates they use and makes the product look good for LPP, they will continue to sell.

[Darkknight039]

Anyone have popcorn? lol I think the topic already came up about LPP headers being made by XS Power and how just because it's made in china doesn't mean it's junk. LPP probably did a good bit of quality control and wanted XS to make the headers to their specifications. Stainless Works has an LT our for other platforms where they do the exact same thing. That's right, a header company outsources a product out which sells for $550 but competes with their own in-house $1200 product.

I wouldn't be afraid to rock a set of LPP LT's, they have great reviews. As long as XS doesn't botch the templates they use and makes the product look good for LPP, they will continue to sell.

Please let me be clear, I am in no way bashing LPP or Chinese brands if, in fact, they are actually one in the same. And I understand and am fully aware that companies often outsource some of the products they sell in just about any category of items.
However, if you read what I wrote, I am saying that I was told these LPP headers were 321 stainless and made in Georgia. They arrived in XS Power packaging and nameplates. I looked up and contacted XS Power and was told that all of there headers are 304 stainless and made in China and I have no issue with that or am I assuming that they are junk. But, they sell for $399. So my point I guess is I thought I paid for LPP 321 stainless headers made in Georgia. Based on what I actually received, I am now wondering I bought XS Power 304 stainless headers made in China which I could have bought from XS Power for $125 less. So naturally, wouldn't you think that maybe this was possibly a scam?

[Dan]

LPP contracts XS power, XS manufactures them I believe.

I have XS power headers... identical to LPPs

[shownomercy]

Sounds an awful like false advertising to me.

[popo8]

I thought i remembered this as a topic before. Addressed by LPP saying that they were subbed out, but LPPs reconfigured design or something like that.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[shownomercy]

Semantics but if I bought product A I would expect it to be stamped and packaged with part A markings, even if it left as a part B and then was re stamped/packaged.

Shady.

[popo8]

Semantics but if I bought product A I would expect it to be stamped and packaged with part A markings, even if it left as a part B and then was re stamped/packaged.

Shady.
What im saying is in the previous convo i think it was addressed that LPP sends tags to replace the other ones if u chose to... because some people had not gotten their replacement tags and LPP was taking info to send them out to those customers.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[shownomercy]

So they openly admit you can just buy the cheaper ebay XS headers and get "LPPs"?

Wowzers.

[popo8]

Stop twisting what Im saying amd putting words in my mouth. Im only writting what I remember and No, i believe they openly said they have them made by another company who puts their tags on them... thats why they send replaceme t tags.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[shownomercy]

I am not twisting anything, why would LPP send XS headers to people who bought LPP headers?

If their not identical, I fail to see what swapping tags does except please the person who overpaid for ebay SS XS headers...

[popo8]

I never said that. I believe thats the company that makes their product for them.

Many companies subcontract other companies to make products for them.



LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[shownomercy]

I never said that. I believe thats the company that makes their product for them.

Many companies subcontract other companies to make products for them.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

OP of thread ordered LPP headers, got XS ebay headers instead. Regardless of if they both are made in teh same place by the same guy, the end consumer doesn't know. Seems false advertising to me.

Even worse if what he said about LPP claiming to be USA made and better SS, that would annoy me the most.

Where is LPP? Aren't they a sponsor?

[popo8]

Example: the billet oil pump drives that are sold by herron. Im sure he went to another company that makes billet drives of their own and said... i have a design... u have the equipt to make it... how much to make them? They make a deal and company X makes the drives for him. During the process they stamp all their stuff with an "x" then ship the batch. Herron gets them and puts his tag on them because its his design... his product.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[popo8]

OP of thread ordered LPP headers, got XS ebay headers instead. Regardless of if they both are made in teh same place by the same guy, the end consumer doesn't know. Seems false advertising to me.

Even worse if what he said about LPP claiming to be USA made and better SS, that would annoy me the most.

Where is LPP? Aren't they a sponsor?
They are a sponsor. I cant answer where they are... was not my turn to watch them. All i was doing was repeating the things that I remember were openly discussed here before. My fault... i shouldve just left it alone till LPP came around.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[shownomercy]

They are a sponsor. I cant answer where they are... was not my turn to watch them. All i was doing was repeating the things that I remember were openly discussed here before. My fault... i shouldve just left it alone till LPP came around.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

Don't get all angry/defensive, I am just conversing here.

Ain't accusing you of anything

Edit: Looks like LPP used to be XS and then broke away to make their own stuff? which makes it even odder IMO.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/831741-xs-headers.html

[popo8]

Im not angry at all. I was just trying to input the little information I remembered from before, and each time I got a negative response... like i said... i only have a little knowledge and i was just adding it. Probably wouldve been better off not throwing it in there.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[shownomercy]

Feel free to delete my posts and we wait for LLP to clear the air.

[popo8]

No no... all valid concerns. Hopefully they come around soon to clear up the details. I sent them a PM.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Darkknight039]

I wasn't trying to start anything here. I feel I am a very logical and open minded person so I'm not even angry at the moment. I'm just confused and concerned about what I bought. His site at LPP features LPP stamped headers advertised as 321 stainless and he told me they were made in Georgia. What I received was XS Power packaged and stamped headers and when I contacted XS Power they said all there headers are 304 stainless and made in China and they sell for $125 less. No where on his site, in the package or my little communication with him was it explained that I would be receiving XS Power packaged and stamped headers for "such and such" reason. If it's truly the reason that he builds the headers from 321 stainless and they are built in Georgia and he uses XS Power for distribution purposes, I'm totally fine with that...but at least explain how it works and tell me that so I'm not thinking I received a different header than what I paid for. If that's not the case, then this is obviously a case of bait and switch and false advertising and buyers need to be made aware.

[Darkknight039]

Also, I am in no way saying 304 stainless or made in China brands are junk. None of that is relevant to my point. It's quite simply that I thought I paid for a particular brand and make and received a different brand and make that I could have bought for less money.

[popo8]

Lol... no problems at all. As u spend more time here ull see its more like sibling rivalry on occassion, but no hard feelings.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Ryan Stout]

Just IMO, I'd return em to LPP, and buy XS Power, save the difference and know what you got.

[Darkknight039]

His last response to me when I asked about this issue was assuring me that they were indeed 321 stainless and made in Georgia but would not answer my question as to why these were labeled XS Power. To me, it just seems like he is being shady and evasive. I don't know why he can't just explain it to me instead of just not responding. Thats not a way to run a business

[Darkknight039]

Browsing the Internet, it seems that this has been an issue that was raised before and it seems that the general opinion is that these are just XS Power eBay 304 stainless headers made in China. For those that got actual LPP stamped headers, they are merely just restamped XS Power headers. In which case, he is using XS Power headers, claiming they are 321 stainless and manufactured in Georgia and selling them for more money. That is clearly a scam, if true. I also found that a lot of people who purchased LPP headers seem to have the same problem of very little to no communication.
Which makes me wonder if there is any concern from LTXtech since LPP is a sponsor on this site.

[shownomercy]

Welding the tag on in GA is a way to claim "Made in teh USA", believe QTP used to do that with their headers as well.

[Darkknight039]

Welding the tag on in GA is a way to claim "Made in teh USA", believe QTP used to do that with their headers as well.

While that may be true, mine came with XS Power tags with the same claims.

[97firehawk]

So i talked to Carl at LPP about the xspower thing and he said that they manufacturer them for him and ship them to us . He also said that they were in fact suppose to put the LPP LOGO on but they didn't .


From my understanding xspower headers are 304 stainless steel and the LPPS that are sent to us are 321 .

I did some research on the differences between the two and 321 a magnet will not stick to it and i tried this and in fact the magnet fell right off .

I was supposed to receive a set of LPP headers tags but he never sent then

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[Darkknight039]

Most 300 series stainless is not magnetic, including 304. And he told you XS Power makes these headers and ships them then that means these headers are manufactured in China and not Georgia as he had told me. And how is that you were able to communicate with him so fast and myself, two other members and a moderator of this site have not been able to get ahold of him? Did you tell him about this thread?

[97firehawk]

He told me that they make them on sight in Georgia not china because the conversion was last year . Calm it down buddy.

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[Darkknight039]

Huh?
Calm what down?

[popo8]

..
Which makes me wonder if there is any concern from LTXtech since LPP is a sponsor on this site.


Dont start that stuff. If there isna concern feel free to pm either owners of the site.


LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Darkknight039]

Dont start that stuff. If there isna concern feel free to pm either owners of the site.


LTXtech.com IS my drug...

Start what stuff?

[popo8]

Start what stuff?
I quoted what i was referencing

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Darkknight039]

That I wonder if LTXtech wouldn't be concerned if there is an issue with a sponsor of their site?
Why wouldn't they be?

[popo8]

No need to have concerns if ltxtech has concerns... since lpp is a sponsor... etc.



LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Darkknight039]

Ok, that makes no sense to me.
If there was a possible issue concerning false advertising by a sponsor nobody should be wondering if that site is concerned?

[shownomercy]

Ok, that makes no sense to me.
If there was a possible issue concerning false advertising by a sponsor nobody should be wondering if that site is concerned?

This is not tech, if there is a legit issue it won't stand with owners of the site.

Don't jump to conclusions or burn bridges.

[Darkknight039]

What does tech have to do with it? And when did I burn or jump to any conclusions?

[shownomercy]

What does tech have to do with it? And when did I burn or jump to any conclusions?

Tech is famous for protecting sponsor right to the bitter end with deleting posts and removing reviews etc.

Thus, this is NOT tech, upper management will review issues if there any and take correct actions, don't worry.

I did not say you jumped, just saying it in general.

[Darkknight039]

Oh, I see what you mean...politics.

[Dan]

Go try a magnet on them..

[Badazz96z28]

I recently ordered a set of LPP headers as well. The big selling points for me to purchase these header over the XS Power or TX Speed LT1 headers, was these were made in America and from 321SS.

I placed the order for LPP headers on July 16th at 9:35 AM. On Monday July 20th, I emailed Carl @ LPP to get tracking information. I sent another email on Wednesday July 22nd because I haven’t received the headers or a response to the previous email asking for tracking info (LPP located in Florida, I’m in Georgia- so 2 day ground shipping at most). The order came in last Friday, July 24th. The headers I received were shipped directly from XS Power/ SS Autochrome location in North Carolina on Wednesday July 22nd. I don't see any markings on the package or parts that would show these are specifically made for LPP from 321 SS. If that was the case, they wouldn't be packaged and labeled as XS Power headers.

The XS Power headers are made in China from 304 SS and cost $449 shipped in the USA. Why would XS Power outsource their own headers overseas, but make headers for LPP themselves out of a better grade SS with a competitive price to their own product? It doesn't make any sense.

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[Badazz96z28]

Go try a magnet on them..

The magnet will not stick to them, regardless if they are made from 304 or 321 SS. The magnet test wont prove a thing..

[Darkknight039]

Magnet won't stick to 304 stainless either, I just tried.

[Darkknight039]

You must have ordered the same time I did because that is almost verbatim what has happened to me.

[shownomercy]

This is getting good :lol:

[Darkknight039]

This is getting good :lol:

No, no, please, I am not trying to start a burn thread. I just want to figure this out and know exactly what I have here.

And all I said, which can be read above, is that I wonder if LTXtech is concerned about a possible issue concerning this sponsor of the site. And then I was told not to start that stuff, and I don't need to worry if LTXtech is concerned or not. That's fine with me. And re-reading this entire post I dont see that I have flamed, accused, incited or defamed anyone, I'm just presenting what I ordered as opposed to what I received and what I was told after contacting XS Power and surmising an opinion based on everything so far.

If the moderator would please delete any posts that could even be even speculated to be adversarial or outright offending would be greatly appreciated. It's not my right to be concerned with LTXtech's relationship with its sponsors. I just want to get this straightened out if at all possible.

If I have 321 stainless headers made in Georgia stamped with XS Power plates, I'm cool with that as long as LPP can explain how that works.
If I have 304 stainless made in China by XS Power then I'd like to return these and buy them directly from XS Power and save $125.

[harner]

I would start the return process now with LPP. This looks a little crooked to me. Hopefully the vendor can chime in and straighten it out.

I wouldn't delete anything. We, as potential/existing customers, have a right to know what's going on. If they are chinese headers, they should be marketed as such. I get the whole reselling thing, Summit does it ALL the time. But come clean about it.

[Darkknight039]

Exactly!

If LPP would just explain the ordering and manufacturing process between them and XS Power I might be willing to keep them provided that they are true 321 stainless and made in Georgia as claimed by LPP. if not, at least tell the truth and give me the cost difference and I still might keep them.

[SSlowBoat]

Do they bolt on? Are they nicer than pacesetters? Are they stepped headers? Do they do what they are supposed to do and exhaust exhaust? Are they cheaper than kooks? Idn what people are splitting hairs over in here. When I had a fbody I would've killed for a set of Lpp or xs power headers. Kooks knock offs for half the price? Cmon guys

[Darkknight039]

SSlowBoat, you don't see anything wrong with somebody selling a knock off product, claiming that it's made of a better grade material when it's not, made elsewhere than what you were told and then charging you more than what you could have bought them for from the original company for less??

Had I known that I could have just bought XS Power 304 stainless from China I would have done so myself, had them sooner and saved $125.

Harner shows thanks for that post when his previous posts says just the opposite.

[harner]

I think the main issue is XS Power may be the same thing but $150 cheaper and the same quality/materials but sold as a higher scale product.


edit-beat me to it haha

[SSlowBoat]

Then return em and buy xs power.......from xs power......

[Darkknight039]

Didnt I just say that? If you read my previous posts you would know that I had said I'd be willing to keep them if he would simply explain to me why these are marked XS Power. Of course, if he can't, and these are in fact just XS Power headers then just give me the price difference for that and I will still keep them.

[harner]

Harner shows thanks for that post when his previous posts says just the opposite.

I know where he is coming from. When I bought my LT's, it was either $1k+ for stainless, ebay stainless that no one was brave enough to experiment with, Pacesetter, Hookers, or junk. I went with Hookers, but would have killed for either XS Power or LPP. I don't agree with paying more for the same rebadged thing.

[Darkknight039]

OK, my apologies then. It seems like you're understanding where I'm coming from. I'm not knocking 304 stainless from China, in fact I'll keep them and use them. I bought them from LP P because I felt more comfortable with the 321 stainless and that they were made in Georgia but I'm thinking that he only states that so he could get an extra $125 from me when they are just XS Power headers.

[LPP]

Hello and I am sorry about the delay in responding.
I want to first off say I am really sad about seeing all this. I dont know if this is a staged event or not.
The headers the clients receive from me LPP via XS-POWER ARE 321 STAINLESS STEEL - THE MANUFACTURER XS-POWER BACKS THAT UP WITH METALLURGY TESTS.
Darknight is basically just calling me a thief and everyone is just letting him without understanding the entire issue.
I HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT MOST OTHERS DO AND YOU FIND IT OFFENSIVE TO BE CALLED A THEIF
WHEN OTHER COMPANIES DRIVE LEXUS AND BMW AND THEN I GET CALLED A LIAR WITHOUT ANY PROOF.
THEY ARE THE RIPOFFS NOT ME. I try to save you guys money. I get XS-POWER to do better things for you guys. I have brought product to the table for you guys.
Also - I SPOKE WITH XS-POWER AND THE VEHIMENTLY DENY THIS.
Here are some points:
A)THEY DENY ANYONE AT XS-POWER STATED THAT ANYONE STATED THIS.
B)THE LS1 LT1 AND OTHER HIGH PERFORMANCE HEADERS ARE NOT MADE IN ASIA LIKE SOME OF THEIR OTHER ITEMS FOR IMPORTED CARS. ( civic honda lexus )
C)THEY HAVE A FACTORY IN STONE MOUNTAIN GEORGIA FOR THE CATTED ITEMS AND THE HIGH PERFOMANCE ITEMS
D) KOOKS, ARH, PACESETTER , JBA ALL HAVE A LINE OF ITEMS THAT THEN HAS A SUBSET -
FOR EXAMPLE - you can get all the same item from 1 or another company ARH, KOOKS, XS-POWER, JBA if you were looking at some Vette or Camaro Headers
2" HIGH FLOW 321
2" STEPPED TO 1AND 7/8TH 321
1 AND 7/8TH 321
1 3/4TH 304
MILD STEEL WITH CERAMIC COATING 1 7/8TH
Polished Stainless ( JBA ) AND Non Polished (JBA ) and Mild
THE DISSERTATION ON THIS THREAD CALLING ME A LIAR IS SAD
SOMEONE WITH 43 POSTS CAN SAY THIS;
I'm thinking that he only states that so he could get an extra $125 from me when they are just XS Power headers.
AND THEN EVERYONE CHANGES THE PERCEPTION OF ME BECAUSE HE SAYS IT.
I AM HONEST AND XS-POWER HAS BEEN HONEST WITH THEIR CLIENTS AS WELL.
WE THINK THIS WAS A SET UP OR A PAID BASHING POST, ALL RIGGED UP FROM THE GET GO. THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE TO THWART SALES - CANT BYPASS THAT THOUGHT!
I DONT KNOW- MAKE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
2 POSTS IN 1 DAY SAYING I AM A LIAR
Again, the LT1 HEADERS AND Y PIPE Indeed are as stated, I am not ripping my community off and I really take offense to that statement.
THANK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY
LPP

[shownomercy]

In all seriousness you did not answer a single concern of his.

Are they made in USA, yes or no.
Are they 100% 321 SS, if so, you can show material certs for this, yes or no.

If neither of the above questions are true, to me, XS power and LPP are the same thing, cept price marked up for LPP.

I would rather you prove me wrong but the previous posts spread across the internet and this one speak otherwise.

[LPP]

Yes, I have answered the concerns
a) they are made in the USA.
b) They are 321 except for the flanges.
The point is the XS-POWER does not sell these headers that I sell.
d) these are not the headers you can get on ebay from DNA or XOXO parts or any of the other companies that Xspower makes Items for.
Lastly, I think being called a liar, and a thief is important to me and I wanted to address that.
Thanks

[shownomercy]

Ok, thanks for replying.

So you claim XSpower is not your stuff, different materials etc etc, so how come his product came in an XS power box?

If you guys were so adamant about separating yourself from XS, why even risk the same shipping box? Really makes me wonder, cause it would seem silly to have XS power boxes in GA when XS power is made in China...

Whole thing seems sketch to me.

[blackbirdws6]

I read through the whole thread this morning and the concerns appear valid. When choosing a product made in the USA vs overseas, I expect the cost to be higher and hopefully quality is better as well. Will either header work, sure but if I paid a premium for made in USA and better materials, I want to make sure this is the case.

The concerning part that has not been addressed is why the LPP headers he purchased say XS. Did the folks at XS label the header incorrectly or did he actually just get shipped a set of XS by accident? If they can't tell which header is which, how will the consumer? No one is going to spend $$ getting a metallurgy test to confirm 304 vs 321 so you shouldn't be overly defensive if folks are skeptical. It appears there were multiple opportunities to address the issue with this customer but he is getting incomplete answers. He calls XS and they say everything is 304 made in China....How would you react in this situation?

[blackbirdws6]

Yes, I have answered the concerns
a) they are made in the USA.
b) They are 321 except for the flanges.
The point is the XS-POWER does not sell these headers that I sell.
d) these are not the headers you can get on ebay from DNA or XOXO parts or any of the other companies that Xspower makes Items for.
Lastly, I think being called a liar, and a thief is important to me and I wanted to address that.
Thanks

Was there a part C) to this?

[shownomercy]

I just can't get my head around teh XS power tag being on a product thats made in teh USA, why would you even have their tags?

[LPP]

shownomercy - AGAIN - xspower does not make them in China. This is now the 4th time I have stated this. They do not make them in China.

[Badazz96z28]

Yes, I have answered the concerns
a) they are made in the USA.
b) They are 321 except for the flanges.
The point is the XS-POWER does not sell these headers that I sell.
d) these are not the headers you can get on ebay from DNA or XOXO parts or any of the other companies that Xspower makes Items for.
Lastly, I think being called a liar, and a thief is important to me and I wanted to address that.
Thanks

What is the difference between the LPP headers XS Power makes specifically for you, compared to the other XS Power headers that can be purchased directly from them and other venders for less money?

[LPP]

XS used to brand my headers that we made together ( me and xspower ) with LPP same with Huron speed and others as well companies that went under such as RPM and BALSER'S that they had boxes and tags made that then went useless.
From what I was told at XS was that they were making the headers with XS tags on them - as they had numerous brands with numerous tags when in essence it was their joint development
with the developer to make the headers and they did the R&D and expense so they will tag the headers as xspower to get brand recognition and then companies like myself
THAT do not STEAL MONEY from clients like I am being accused of - and that bring NEW ITEMS TO YOU THE END CONSUMER AT A BETTER PRICE FOR PERFORMANCE GAINS FOR YOUR CAR AND MINE -- will know the xspower brand.
That's why.

[shownomercy]

Interesting, ok, sorta makes sense now.

How big is teh facility in GA?

[mattgw86]

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c5-general/2578793-new-xspower-longtube-headers-x-pipe-available-first-of-june.html

Xs power markets 321ss headers directly too, for the C5 at least. Also made in the US. I kinda wish LPP's had that etching on them instead of the tag.

[97firehawk]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/31/a6a6577602cdd3a55e775fcbf8df8149.jpg

There you go, now you have it from both sides. Not made in china and in fact 321 .

These headers are the best headers ive ever owned.

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[Darkknight039]

THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!

You had 2 weeks and 3 emails to respond to me before I even posted this!! A set up?! A paid bashing?! Give me a break!! You told me they were 321 stainless and made in Georgia which was the selling points for me to buy them. Then, after 2 weeks of shipping errors and delays you finally sent them out and they arrived in XS Power boxes and tagged with XS Power plates. I contacted XS Power and that is EXACTLY what the told me!! All headers are 304 Stainless and made in China and I had to take my issues up with YOU!! Now, evidetntly, XS Power wants to deny that ever happened?! Based on information at that point and NO response from you, the only logical opinion anyone would have surmised was that this could potentially be a scam and in ALL my posts I was careful only to say "surmised, potentional and possible" and NEVER outright called anyone a liar, thief or anything else and still tried to keep an open mind that this could still work out. How dare you call me a "liar and a paid basher" and that this is a "set up." Not to mention these even came addressed from SSAutochrome in NC.
How would ANYONE have any clue what to think??!! The box even came with XS Power paperwork and XS Power stickers!!

What the freak?! Seriously???

[shownomercy]

So is it NC or GA?

Address in NC for SSAC/XS power
https://www.google.com/maps/place/817+Beaver+Dam+Rd,+Creedmoor,+NC+27522/@36.0516547,-78.6650648,162m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89acfff306ae085d:0xb0745 1f34d3688bb!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Small building to manufacture headers for multiple different platforms and vendors no?

[Badazz96z28]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/31/a6a6577602cdd3a55e775fcbf8df8149.jpg

There you go, now you have it from both sides. Not made in china and in fact 321 .

These headers are the best headers ive ever owned.

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If the XS Power LS1/LT1 headers are made in USA, why is LPP the only vender that mentions that? That is a HUGE selling point that goes along with the price of them. It seems very odd that XS Power or any other seller does not list that!!!!

[shownomercy]

Whats interesting is XS power/SSAC list having two employees, guess CNC machines are making headers these days?

http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews/auto-part-suppliers/ss-auto-chrome-in-creedmoor-nc-3001613

Odd, very odd.

[5POINT7]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/31/a6a6577602cdd3a55e775fcbf8df8149.jpg

There you go, now you have it from both sides. Not made in china and in fact 321 .

These headers are the best headers ive ever owned.

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Don't know if I'd believe it. Since this thread is going on, they could easily change their story so LPP won't lose sales and in return they would lose $$ also

[popo8]

Hello and I am sorry about the delay in responding.
I want to first off say I am really sad about seeing all this. I dont know if this is a staged event or not.
The headers the clients receive from me LPP via XS-POWER ARE 321 STAINLESS STEEL - THE MANUFACTURER XS-POWER BACKS THAT UP WITH METALLURGY TESTS.
Darknight is basically just calling me a thief and everyone is just letting him without understanding the entire issue.
...

Dont say Everyone. I had done my best to post what I remembered from the past discussions. I am the one that emailed you at LPP's contact info requesting response over here to explain to those with questions.

As far as staged, I am not sure what you mean?


Larry

[shownomercy]

Dont say Everyone. I had done my best to post what I remembered from the past discussions. I am the one that emailed you at LPP's contact info requesting response over here to explain to those with questions.

As far as staged, I am not sure what you mean?


Larry

LPP thinks OP is slandering their name with a fake story.

[popo8]

LPP thinks OP is slandering their name with a fake story.

Oh, ok, I thought I was being called a part of the "set up" for emailing LPP to address this. I have really tried to stay neutral and unbiased, only posting the things I remembered reading.

I know alot of people are taking offense to the posts or comments of others, but now that everyone is here discussing this, maybe we can all calm down, and get to the bottom of it.

I donk know much about different metals,or the processes of making headers etc, so I have nothing to add. But lets just try to keep it civil.

Please.

[Darkknight039]

Oh, ok, I thought I was being called a part of the "set up" for emailing LPP to address this. I have really tried to stay neutral and unbiased, only posting the things I remembered reading.

I know alot of people are taking offense to the posts or comments of others, but now that everyone is here discussing this, maybe we can all calm down, and get to the bottom of it.

I donk know much about different metals,or the processes of making headers etc, so I have nothing to add. But lets just try to keep it civil.

Please.

I have been trying to do just that with my responses until he shows up here and attempts at turning it all around and outright accusing me and Badazz96z28 of fabricating a bash, conspiracy or plot to discredit him and his company.
That is absolutely ridiculous. And this entire thread would not even exist if he would have responded to my email after I had received the headers.

[LPP]

I did respond. I respond as fast as I can. I am sorry I am not the fastest responder.
I really don't understand why you don't see my point - someone says " I THINK " this ... and " I THINK " that .. and " I THINK " this..
look what 5point7 just wrote = (DONT KNOW IF I BELIEVE IT .) see above- then he makes a theory

But, I cannot say I don't believe that you and the other person are not out to twart me? Hired by OBX ? Of course I am just making an ANALOGY but do you get my drift?

It is very one sided. I have done nothing wrong.
I have been on LS1 AND LT1 FORUMS for more than a decade.
I own these cars.
I have made mod's to the headers so we can have better HEADERS AT BETTER PRICES - I AM THE GOOD GUY HERE.
I am not a fly by night company. I don't answer emails fast, yes. I do what I do and I give to you guys the best product and I stand behind it.
There are posts being made saying in essence I am a thief and a liar. I am not.

[shownomercy]

To be clear, XSpower/SSAC make your headers as per your design, correct?

And your headers are made in teh USA, correct?

Are they headers made in GA or NC?

[LPP]

[QUOTE=Darkknight039;443153]THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!
I contacted XS Power and that is EXACTLY what the told me!! All headers are 304 Stainless and made in China and I had to take my issues up with YOU!! Now, evidetntly, XS Power wants to deny that ever happened?! How dare you call me a "liar and a paid basher" and that this is a "set up "QUOTE]

Dear Mr. Batman -
Xspower does not make GM headers overseas and everyone knows this - this is where there is a disconnect. I am done with saying this. They are 321 and made here in the states in the USA in GA and they are shipped from NC.

Now - How dare I call you a liar? But it is ok for you to call me a liar and a thief? OK ? where is the logic? and Yes - the points are relevant. I
t has been done before to KOOKS, ARH, JXspower, ( Henry at Xs told me once! ) he told me jBA also - they all brands get paid bashers - its not uncommon #research .. #secretshoppers . Yes it is true. The point is anyway - people can say " think " feel " " I BET " these words that are on this forum being thrown around - like the one above from 5point7 - " Don't know if I'd believe it "
Well why not? would 5point7 believe Kooks makes headers for ARH sometimes? would 5point7 believe that jigs are shared sometimes ? I have heard that also. I am not in the loop but I have heard things since I have developed some items.

[shownomercy]

So being as neither XSpower or SSAC are listed in GA BBB, care to share any info?

BBB only lists them at the NC address which again is odd, as that is a drop ship location no?

[Darkknight039]

You don't respond fast?
You didn't respond at all!!
This all could have been settled privately over personal email and this post would have never existed. Hence which is why I came here to try to get some answers. Evidently, others had the same concerns when there headers arrived in XS Power packaging, paperwork, stickers and plates welded on the headers. You assured me they were 321 stainless and made in Georgia and never answered my last 2 inquiries about why then are they labeled XS Power and shipped out of NC. I looked up and contacted XS Power, 304 stainless and made in China, any issue through another vendor needed to be addressed with that vendor which I attempted. Now you call me a liar and say that XS Power says it never happened and I am working for another header company in an attempt to hurt your business. That is absurd! I don't have the time nor the interest in pursuing such an act. I can't even believe you are considering a conspiracy within the automotive performance header parts industry. This isn't The DaVinci Code or the JFK assassination. Let me me say my opinion on headers just for the sake of argument.

Kooks - Way over priced.
Stainless Works - Way over priced.
OBX - Crap!
Pacesetter - Ok, heard decent reviews but not for me and not stainless.
Hooker - What I have now but they are shorties and starting to rust and I think the collectors are bottlenecked.
TSP - Heard good things but they are kinda priced really cheap and they are made in China.
LPP - Great price, 321 stainless and made in Georgia. But showed up in XS Power boxes with XS Power plates. Called XS Power and their headers are 304 stainless and made in China. What the heck?! Contacted vendor and he assured me they are 321 stainless and made in Georgia.
Ok, but why does it say XS Power and shipped from SSAutochrome in NC?
No answer.
Emailed you again.
No answer.
Went to LTXtech and put up a post because I'm worried I got scammed.
Now I am accused by vendor that I'm fabricating a story as part of a conspiracy to destroy your business.
Now we are at this point.

So please tell me what would you think and do after all this?!

[5POINT7]

[QUOTE=Darkknight039;443153]THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!
I contacted XS Power and that is EXACTLY what the told me!! All headers are 304 Stainless and made in China and I had to take my issues up with YOU!! Now, evidetntly, XS Power wants to deny that ever happened?! How dare you call me a "liar and a paid basher" and that this is a "set up "QUOTE]

Dear Mr. Batman -
Xspower does not make GM headers overseas and everyone knows this - this is where there is a disconnect. I am done with saying this. They are 321 and made here in the states in the USA in GA and they are shipped from NC.

Now - How dare I call you a liar? But it is ok for you to call me a liar and a thief? OK ? where is the logic? and Yes - the points are relevant. I
t has been done before to KOOKS, ARH, JXspower, ( Henry at Xs told me once! ) he told me jBA also - they all brands get paid bashers - its not uncommon #research .. #secretshoppers . Yes it is true. The point is anyway - people can say " think " feel " " I BET " these words that are on this forum being thrown around - like the one above from 5point7 - " Don't know if I'd believe it "
Well why not? would 5point7 believe Kooks makes headers for ARH sometimes? would 5point7 believe that jigs are shared sometimes ? I have heard that also. I am not in the loop but I have heard things since I have developed some items.
No I can just read in between the lines.

[shownomercy]

Still skirting the "made in teh USA" questions I keep posing.

[Darkknight039]

[QUOTE=Darkknight039;443153]THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!
I contacted XS Power and that is EXACTLY what the told me!! All headers are 304 Stainless and made in China and I had to take my issues up with YOU!! Now, evidetntly, XS Power wants to deny that ever happened?! How dare you call me a "liar and a paid basher" and that this is a "set up "QUOTE]

Dear Mr. Batman -
Xspower does not make GM headers overseas and everyone knows this - this is where there is a disconnect. I am done with saying this. They are 321 and made here in the states in the USA in GA and they are shipped from NC.

Now - How dare I call you a liar? But it is ok for you to call me a liar and a thief? OK ? where is the logic? and Yes - the points are relevant. I
t has been done before to KOOKS, ARH, JXspower, ( Henry at Xs told me once! ) he told me jBA also - they all brands get paid bashers - its not uncommon #research .. #secretshoppers . Yes it is true. The point is anyway - people can say " think " feel " " I BET " these words that are on this forum being thrown around - like the one above from 5point7 - " Don't know if I'd believe it "
Well why not? would 5point7 believe Kooks makes headers for ARH sometimes? would 5point7 believe that jigs are shared sometimes ? I have heard that also. I am not in the loop but I have heard things since I have developed some items.

I feel like your deflecting by talking about semantics and it's all irrelevant. Read every post, not one time did I call you a liar and a thief despite your talk of semantics. And several times I even said I want to try to keep an open mind to resolve this, I don't want it turn into a bashing thread, I even asked the moderator to delete or remove any posts on here that could even slightly be considered offensive or adversarial and ironically you come on here do EXACTLY THAT to me. I even said I wished you would just respond to my emails, not posts, my personal emails.
Yet, here we are.

[5POINT7]

I'd be just as mad as the op if I bought your headers and they came labeled as another company. If I purchase your product I want your name on it simple as that. If you have xs make them to your specifications that's fine, but don't you think they should have lpp name plates on hand to weld on when someone orders your headers? What if he wants to resell them, he can't list them as LPP's because the name say xs. So he's out 125ish from the start and then has to sell them lower than the cheaper new xs header.

[Darkknight039]

I'd be just as mad as the op if I bought your headers and they came labeled as another company. If I purchase your product I want your name on it simple as that. If you have xs make them to your specifications that's fine, but don't you think they should have lpp name plates on hand to weld on when someone orders your headers? What if he wants to resell them, he can't list them as LPP's because the name say xs. So he's out 125ish from the start and then has to sell them lower than the cheaper new xs header.

Thats another point to mention. The process of how XS Power is involved. That was never explained on the LPP website, when I placed the order, when I received tracking information or even in the box. Wouldn't that be extremely important to let any buyer know to avoid any situation such as this?

And then he goes on to say that everybody knows XS Power does not make GM headers overseas which, from what I found, is untrue. They make an LT1 long tube header made of 304 stainless manufactured in China. They are listed on eBay and by FTG Motorsports.

And aside from all that, I am not "everybody" and you can't just assume that everybody "knows that."

[Badazz96z28]

I did respond. I respond as fast as I can. I am sorry I am not the fastest responder.
I really don't understand why you don't see my point - someone says " I THINK " this ... and " I THINK " that .. and " I THINK " this..
look what 5point7 just wrote = (DONT KNOW IF I BELIEVE IT .) see above- then he makes a theory

But, I cannot say I don't believe that you and the other person are not out to twart me? Hired by OBX ? Of course I am just making an ANALOGY but do you get my drift?

It is very one sided. I have done nothing wrong.
I have been on LS1 AND LT1 FORUMS for more than a decade.
I own these cars.
I have made mod's to the headers so we can have better HEADERS AT BETTER PRICES - I AM THE GOOD GUY HERE.
I am not a fly by night company. I don't answer emails fast, yes. I do what I do and I give to you guys the best product and I stand behind it.
There are posts being made saying in essence I am a thief and a liar. I am not.





How are we, the customer, supposed to know that we actually received the product we purchased through you- then drop shipped directly from XS Power- when we see claims that manufacturer makes the same product to different specifications for different venders, but labels & packages them the same! How do you NOT see our point of view on this? How is XS Power reassuring YOU the vender, that the headers they are sending YOUR customers actually differ from the eBay headers and headers they sell when they are labeled and packaged the same?

Help me understand why a manufacturer would make headers to your specifications- make the same product to other specifications for other venders- for a LIMITED LT1 F-body crowd and can maintain the price point these are selling at? How many LT1 F-Body headers do you really believe are sold annually now?

[shownomercy]

I just wanna see some cool pics of the manufacturing plant in GA. :(

[Badazz96z28]

I just wanna see some cool pics of the manufacturing plant in GA. :(

OP says LPP told him the headers were made in a plant located in Stone Mountain GA. I live less than an hour from there. If LPP & XS Power is willing to set up a facility tour with the manufacturing plant, I would be glad to go and that could easily clear this all up.

[shownomercy]

I think you will be wasting your gas, but, I anxiously await response from LPP.

If SSAC/XS Power make everything in the USA, then its gonna be a huuge manufacturing plant. Which, then is odd since its not listed anywhere online as a business in GA.

The shell game, continues.

[Darkknight039]

Honestly, it is entirely possible that they are manufactured at a plant in Stone Mountain Georgia in bulk and shipped out in bulk by truck to a facility in NC where they are shipped to customers on an as ordered basis.

And no, I'm not defending now, just being truthful.

[Darkknight039]

However, yes, it would certainly be irrefutable proof to put an end to this.

[Badazz96z28]

Honestly, it is entirely possible that they are manufactured at a plant in Stone Mountain Georgia in bulk and shipped out in bulk by truck to a facility in NC where they are shipped to customers on an as ordered basis.

And no, I'm not defending now, just being truthful.

I agree that is possible. But what I would disagree with is that the manufacturing plant would produce specific batches of the same product to different venders specifications, but label & package them the same under another brand name. If they are 321 SS made in GA great, but how are the headers we received different than the same LT1 F-body XS Power headers produced & sold for $449 shipped, if they are not labeled and packaged any differently...

[Darkknight039]

I agree that is possible. But what I would disagree with is that the manufacturing plant would produce specific batches of the same product to different venders specifications, but label & package them the same under another brand name. If they are 321 SS made in GA great, but how are the headers we received different than the same LT1 F-body XS Power headers produced & sold for $449 shipped, if they are not labeled and packaged any differently...

Your right, I agree.

[shownomercy]

Again, smoke and mirrors shell game.

[Darkknight039]

His explanation still doesn't make sense about XS Power involvement. As I'm understanding, he has outsourced his designs and specs to them to build his item out of his specified material so that, I assume, he can sell them as his header. But they are tagged as XS Power and shipped in XS Power packaging? So when the customer gets it, sees XS Power, they would naturally assume there was a mistake made. The customer gets no response from the vendor so they look up XS Power and contact them, they are told that their headers are made from 304 stainless made in China. The customer says he bought them from LPP they are told then they need to take up the issue with the vendor the purchased it from, not XS Power.
And then the customer gets accused of being part of some sort of performance header conspiracy to destroy that particular vendor.

[popo8]

Again... im trying to remain unbiased, didnt I see he wrote before that the American car headers are made in the us out of the other type of metal as compared to the tuner stuff which is made in china for the tuner cars?

I need to go back through but i thought i remember him explaining that above.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Darkknight039]

Again... im trying to remain unbiased, didnt I see he wrote before that the American car headers are made in the us out of the other type of metal as compared to the tuner stuff which is made in china for the tuner cars?

I need to go back through but i thought i remember him explaining that above.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

While I understand what you are saying...

Considering I can buy XS Power headers for an LT1 made from 304 stainless made in China, no and that was from XS Power when I contacted them. And despite that, the headers still arrived in XS Power packaging and XS Power plates welded on the headers so who in the heck would know what they actually got when they thought they were purchasing LPP headers made of 321 made in Georgia?

So, basically, even if that were true, it's irrelevant because how is a buyer to know that when all the evidence points to the contrary which is what I've been saying.

[Badazz96z28]

Again... im trying to remain unbiased, didnt I see he wrote before that the American car headers are made in the us out of the other type of metal as compared to the tuner stuff which is made in china for the tuner cars?

I need to go back through but i thought i remember him explaining that above.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

Correct, he stated that.

He also stated that XS Power produces headers to his specifications, that are different than the other LT1 headers they produce that can be purchased through other venders and eBay. The problem I have is IF XS Power makes headers specifically for him, why are they labeled and packaged the same as the LT1 headers they make for other venders? How can we the customer, and even Carl the vender, identify that what we receive are HIS LT1 specific headers if they are in no way at all marked differently than the others they produce and ship?

[popo8]

Correct, he stated that.

He also stated that XS Power produces headers to his specifications, that are different than the other LT1 headers they produce that can be purchased through other venders and eBay. The problem I have is IF XS Power makes headers specifically for him, why are they labeled and packaged the same as the LT1 headers they make for other venders? How can we the customer, and even Carl the vender, identify that what we receive are HIS LT1 specific headers if they are in no way at all marked differently than the others they produce and ship?
I dont have any amswers Im just following along trying to help get us all through this.

The xs label he said is that they still wanted credit for making the lpp pieces. That was my suspicion earlier... so it makes sense to me.

I only have to go off of what he says and what people who buy them have said. Again... unbiased in the middle here.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[shownomercy]

I dont have any amswers Im just following along trying to help get us all through this.

The xs label he said is that they still wanted credit for making the lpp pieces. That was my suspicion earlier... so it makes sense to me.

I only have to go off of what he says and what people who buy them have said. Again... unbiased in the middle here.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

Which is fine, so be it, XS power is the cheaper of the two same products. Summit/Jegs etc all do the same with selling house brand stuff as repackaged name brand stuff.

BUT, LPP claims USA made, and XS says china, one says 321, other says 304. As a consumer, that is shady as fuck.

I would bet they are all made overseas (there, now you can say its "not china") and drop shipped from the NC address.

In the end, if it fits and quality is there, great, awesome to see quality LT1 stuff, but don't have the nerve to say its American made.

[SSlowBoat]

What I know is they are really nice headers, just put them on Ltconvert 383 car, and they looked and fit pretty well for the size

[Darkknight039]

And no, I'm not saying that markings make all the difference. Obviously not. But as I already stated, XS Power involvement was not mentioned at any point in the process from his adverstising LPP headers on his site (which has LPP plates welded on the headers in the pictures) to the ordering process, shipping or even in the box when you receive them.
No mention of XS Power at all but when you receive them, and I think ANYONE would react the same, you think you got XS Power headers which are not 321 or made in the U.S. So naturally you think a mistake has been made.

Had I ordered these from XS Power, there would be no question in my mind as to what, how and where these headers were made and this issue wouldn't even be happening.

[harner]

We can dance around here all day, taking apart each others posts line by line and analyzing them. I think LPP made a decent attempt at justifying what was done.

You can go and have it tested to ensure it is 321 SS or just keep beating a dead horse at this point.

Sure, I'd love to hear about a plant walkthrough, but so many others bought these without question. I don't see anything coming out of this aside from knowing LPP has a strange defense mechanism when accused of something.

As an unbiased outsider, I'd still consider LPP a major competitor. I ran Chinese 304 on my TBSS for 4 years without issue lol.

[97firehawk]

The way i see it is that i don't care where they are made because they are still one of the nicest headers we can get for the price and quality and in my option the best ground clearenced header out there . If you want send them back and order directly from xspower to save a 100 go for it , if you want to send them back and spend what 1500 on some small tube kooks go for it .

Not to start shit but to be honest this is heading into shit storm territory. But you seem to be more concerned with gather the masses and they're pitchforks for a good old fashioned hangin

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[Darkknight039]

What I know is they are really nice headers, just put them on @Ltconvert (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=6566) 383 car, and they looked and fit pretty well for the size

Agreed! In all honesty, as I have already said as well, I've heard goor reviews about XS Power headers and I was even considering them until I saw 321 stainles and made in Georgia some went with them instead. Had I known they were going to be the XS Power headers I would have just ordered them and saved $125 and known exactly what I was getting.

[blackbirdws6]

We can dance around here all day, taking apart each others posts line by line and analyzing them. I think LPP made a decent attempt at justifying what was done.

You can go and have it tested to ensure it is 321 SS or just keep beating a dead horse at this point.

Sure, I'd love to hear about a plant walkthrough, but so many others bought these without question. I don't see anything coming out of this aside from knowing LPP has a strange defense mechanism when accused of something.

As an unbiased outsider, I'd still consider LPP a major competitor. I ran Chinese 304 on my TBSS for 4 years without issue lol.

If sufficient proof was provided one way or the other, the discussion would be done. Right now its a shady situation and a vendor stating that we just need to believe what he has stated with no other explanation. Folks just want to know what they are buying, especially if there is a price difference. No one is questioning whether a 304 stainless header will last or not.

[SSlowBoat]

Agreed! In all honesty, as I have already said as well, I've heard goor reviews about XS Power headers and I was even considering them until I saw 321 stainles and made in Georgia some went with them instead. Had I known they were going to be the XS Power headers I would have just ordered them and saved $125 and known exactly what I was getting.
I'm not gonna knock Lpp though, I can buy what he'd saying with them showing up saying xs power on them. There are many manufacturers in the us that do this. I work in the commercial industrial hvac industry and there are many things made by one company under many brands that have a different name on them, and one small difference between the two. Pumps for example: one manufacturer assembles one in China with plastic impeller, one in us with delrin impeller, same motor frame color etc, two different names. I have ordered one from secondary manufacturer and it showed up with primary manufacturer name on it.

[blackbirdws6]

Why not just allow him to return the XS power headers and replace them with a set that say LPP?

[Darkknight039]

The way i see it is that i don't care where they are made because they are still one of the nicest headers we can get for the price and quality and in my option the best ground clearenced header out there . If you want send them back and order directly from xspower to save a 100 go for it , if you want to send them back and spend what 1500 on some small tube kooks go for it .

Not to start shit but to be honest this is heading into shit storm territory. But you seem to be more concerned with gather the masses and they're pitchforks for a good old fashioned hangin

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"Not to be starting s**t" yet, you just did.
To me, you are a suspiciously staunch defender of LPP and I don't think your understanding the point as you've done to me in other postings completely unrelated. If you've read my posts about this you would know that this is not about any kind of "public attack" or "reputation hanging"

Give me a break...

[97firehawk]

"Not to be starting s**t" yet, you just did.
To me, you are a suspiciously staunch defender of LPP and I don't think your understanding the point as you've done to me in other postings completely unrelated. If you've read my posts about this you would know that this is not about any kind of "public attack" or "reputation hanging"

Give me a break...
Thanks for providing my point [emoji106]

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[Darkknight039]

Thanks for providing my point [emoji106]

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Hmmm...nope!

[Badazz96z28]

If sufficient proof was provided one way or the other, the discussion would be done. Right now its a shady situation and a vendor stating that we just need to believe what he has stated with no other explanation. Folks just want to know what they are buying, especially if there is a price difference. No one is questioning whether a 304 stainless header will last or not.

Exactly!!!! Some people have trouble wrapping their minds around that concept though. The headers I received look great, but it would be nice to know what they really are.

[seymour buttz]

Shownomercy makes some good points about USA manufacturing facilities, which is the reason why great products from great companies cost what they do.

Lots of people are willing to buy chinese products (who really knows where theyre made at this point), but not a lot of people are willing to be jerked around. There is a professional way to respond to complaints, and there is an un-professional way. We all know the difference.

[dawdaw]

Who's ss auto chrome ?

Just curious that's what my older version lpps from 2010 say.

I think dark knight raises some valid concerns .

I would ask the exact same thing if I purchased a set of headers and they had a different company stamped on them. Just sayin'

No one is here to bash anyone . Merely some insight

[Dan]

My XS power headers don't have any tags lol
33725

[popo8]

My XS power headers don't have any tags lol
33725

Damn... i didnt realize how good stainless looked in there.

[Darkknight039]

They don't look like they were even used yet.

[mikey4play]

My LPP headers have the xs power tag. These are unpolished with about 2000 miles.33733

[Darkknight039]

My tags look similar to that except they were welded on the sides of each tube, not the top.
There is also one on the side of my y-pipe.

[SSlowBoat]

My tags look similar to that except they were welded on the sides of each tube, not the top.
There is also one on the side of my y-pipe.
Tags are on sides of these as well. I thought in Lpp thread on this site when he came back out with these headers he explained they were made in USA by xs power

[Darkknight039]

I don't know. I'm over it at this point. He's not rational or civil enough to listen to a buyer concern as a business owner. There is no chance of exchange, refund, price difference reimbursement or anything else since he will not respond to any email I've sent since receiving these headers. After a lot of researching on the internet, I've found this issue apparently has been debated and brought to his attention before with people concerned about what they bought, to his customer service, to order delays, etc. I've also found that he's even been speculated to join other forums under another screen name posing as a customer to push his own product by claiming he's just a buyer and one member PM'd and said that he was supposedly banned on another forum. Who's to say what's what at this point or what's true or not at this point, certainly not me. Ive drawn my own opinion and conclusion. Do your own searches and judge for yourself.

[Purple Poncho]

I think we need an new " Ultimate stainless header" thread trying to explain what is what with regards to tube diameter, flange, collector, merge spike with ssautochrome, LPP, XS power, Kooks, OBX, abay sellers, TSP, pacesetter...etc.

a lot seem to be the same sold under different banners.

[Darkknight039]

As far as Kooks and Stainless Works, is it really justifiable that a set of stainless headers to cost that much? Or is it really just paying for a name?

Some think you get what you pay for so if you spend $1500 on headers you get the best of the monetary worth.

Others say while they may be the best, they are way overpriced because of the name.

[Badazz96z28]

As far as Kooks and Stainless Works, is it really justifiable that a set of stainless headers to cost that much? Or is it really just paying for a name?

Some think you get what you pay for so if you spend $1500 on headers you get the best of the monetary worth.

Others say while they may be the best, they are way overpriced because of the name.

My guess is that Kooks and other name brand headers cost more because they are the companies that actually do the R&D and make them in America with American product. Other companies buy their product and have it copied and mass produced overseas.

[Dan]

Kooks are made from 304 IIRC ;)

[LPP]

I just can't get my head around teh XS power tag being on a product thats made in teh USA, why would you even have their tags?
That question was answered already. I will again tell you. Years ago - XS made items for companies such as DTS and Comptech that for example went out of business. From what they told me this expense of boxes and tags for so many companies was in their mind not such a good idea and it was better to brand the headers with their badge and have us as sellers sell the headers as exclusive or group buys. You might see it on their site but from what I have been told orders wont be filled as they protect their vendors.
And, again, the headers are made in USA. And again they are made in GA, ( by a company licensed by XSPOWER ) thats what I know. XSPOWER makes headers in the USA and Overseas so that is what you can WRAP your head around.

[LPP]

I don't know. I'm over it at this point. He's not rational or civil enough to listen to a buyer concern as a business owner. There is no chance of exchange, refund, price difference reimbursement or anything else since he will not respond to any email I've sent since receiving these headers. After a lot of researching on the internet, I've found this issue apparently has been debated and brought to his attention before with people concerned about what they bought, to his customer service, to order delays, etc. I've also found that he's even been speculated to join other forums under another screen name posing as a customer to push his own product by claiming he's just a buyer and one member PM'd and said that he was supposedly banned on another forum. Who's to say what's what at this point or what's true or not at this point, certainly not me. Ive drawn my own opinion and conclusion. Do your own searches and judge for yourself.

I am here, I listen to you. What do you want to exchange? XS power does not make what you said they make. They make 321 headers for the LT1 application.
Now you are saying I am a scammer as well - people on this forum and other forums know I am not- and I will not respond to your baseless allegations.
I do not have ship delays and there is no truth to this JOIN OTHER FORUMS under diffferent user names. This makes me think you are a setup more than ever now!
As I said before, JBA , Kooks, ARH , Xspower have all had worms try to thwart sales by posing as end users and then posting erroneous information about that company.
You never know.

[LPP]

My guess is that Kooks and other name brand headers cost more because they are the companies that actually do the R&D and make them in America with American product. Other companies buy their product and have it copied and mass produced overseas.
and we did not do that.
I personally worked with XS to get these correct. I did my own R&D with XS on my own car I have hundreds of pics and we did multiple revisions to make it the best for the community.
Additionaly Kooks from what I have heard at Sema- papa kooks drives Lexus and BMW and guess what I drive- and I know what Henry at XS drives and its not Import.

[LPP]

My tags look similar to that except they were welded on the sides of each tube, not the top.
There is also one on the side of my y-pipe.
The tags get placed in various locations. The items are made in the USA for LT1 and LS1 - The pic above is from last years version - this year the tag location was moved
ssautchrorme and xspower are sister companies to answer your question daw daw.
Notice how mickey4play says MY LPP HEADERS and they have XSPOWER tag - do you see it now ?
I have explained this now for 2 days.

[LPP]

My guess is that Kooks and other name brand headers cost more because they are the companies that actually do the R&D and make them in America with American product. Other companies buy their product and have it copied and mass produced overseas.
Again . people with " MY Guess " and " I feel " and " I think " and " I dont know but I would bet " ...
well - maybe Kooks has a giant building with giant enployee overhead and giant expense and giant promo as well.
nah.. its all R&D.

[LPP]

Which is fine, so be it, XS power is the cheaper of the two same products. Summit/Jegs etc all do the same with selling house brand stuff as repackaged name brand stuff.

BUT, LPP claims USA made, and XS says china, one says 321, other says 304. As a consumer, that is shady as fuck.

I would bet they are all made overseas (there, now you can say its "not china") and drop shipped from the NC address.

In the end, if it fits and quality is there, great, awesome to see quality LT1 stuff, but don't have the nerve to say its American made.

another with " I would bet " and " I feel ..
I have said over and over XS does not make 304 for the LT1
I have saud over and over XS does not make LT1 or LS1 overseas
It is made in america, american made, Not made by chinese asians tawian korean or whatever
The XS power tag has been on LPP items for years as previous pics have shown and clients have uploaded and stated ( mickey i think last couple pages )
XS stopped putting oher companies tags on others headers they do to broaden their exposure and I dont have the money to do my own line! I dont have $5million dollars to buy a warehouse and do my own headers
they did headers for DTS competch biigballerz whatever that went under and they decided this not me this was in 2008-2009-2010
so if yuo want to FEEL or THINK or BET you can do so I cant help you with your thoughts
I called xspower and they said they never told anyone that so thats why I think it is all a staged scammed post from the get go and thats that !

[shownomercy]

That question was answered already. I will again tell you. Years ago - XS made items for companies such as DTS and Comptech that for example went out of business. From what they told me this expense of boxes and tags for so many companies was in their mind not such a good idea and it was better to brand the headers with their badge and have us as sellers sell the headers as exclusive or group buys. You might see it on their site but from what I have been told orders wont be filled as they protect their vendors.
And, again, the headers are made in USA. And again they are made in GA, ( by a company licensed by XSPOWER ) thats what I know. XSPOWER makes headers in the USA and Overseas so that is what you can WRAP your head around.


So you know, that XS power sub contracts out in USA GA to make your headers, other than word of mouth, proof?


The tags get placed in various locations. The items are made in the USA for LT1 and LS1 - The pic above is from last years version - this year the tag location was moved
ssautchrorme and xspower are sister companies to answer your question daw daw.
Notice how mickey4play says MY LPP HEADERS and they have XSPOWER tag - do you see it now ?
I have explained this now for 2 days.

Ah, so the "tags" are USA made.


another with " I would bet " and " I feel ..
I have said over and over XS does not make 304 for the LT1
I have saud over and over XS does not make LT1 or LS1 overseas
It is made in america, american made, Not made by chinese asians tawian korean or whatever
The XS power tag has been on LPP items for years as previous pics have shown and clients have uploaded and stated ( mickey i think last couple pages )
XS stopped putting oher companies tags on others headers they do to broaden their exposure and I dont have the money to do my own line! I dont have $5million dollars to buy a warehouse and do my own headers
they did headers for DTS competch biigballerz whatever that went under and they decided this not me this was in 2008-2009-2010
so if yuo want to FEEL or THINK or BET you can do so I cant help you with your thoughts
I called xspower and they said they never told anyone that so thats why I think it is all a staged scammed post from the get go and thats that !

I would love to see the factory or even a address of the place in GA. Name of subcontractor perhaps? Must be a large facility to make headers for you and SSAC/XS

You call me out for hearsay, but yet have yet to counter it with anything concrete. Prove to me that you are a true 100% USA made product, I would really be happy if you did and made all my posting look like me being an ass. Really. Honestly would.

[Darkknight039]

Again, it just seems all your talk is deflection by use of semantics. It's completely irrelevant. Everything is based on your "word." Again, HOW DOES A CUSTOMER KNOW!? They place on order with LPP for LPP headers and they get XS Power. XS Power says their headers are 304 and made in China and that, Mr. LPP, is the truth! So either you are somebody you talked to XS Power is not being truthful or misinformed. And, as I said, PLEASE, anyone here or yourself can do a thorough search themselves and will find the same information I found concerning your business, customer service, shipping and the same issue here. You accepted my money, you HAVE my money, I paid over half a grand just so I could post this because I am part of some secret society of performance headers whom have devoted themselves to destroying header businesses. That is the most RIDICULOUS thing I've ever heard of! I can't "wrap my head around that!" If I was to even do that, wouldn't anyone use more social media and multiple posts across several forums to accomplish such an absurd mission?? Not to mention I've been a member since 2010 with only 60+ posts. NO! I came here because of YOUR post about YOUR LPP headers (and not XS Power!) and because your a sponsor so what forum would know better to answer my questions and possibly get you to respond since you don't want to answer emails. None of this, NOTHING, NOT A SINGLE WORD, ANYTHING, was EVER said on your website, when placing an order, shipping the order, receiving the order about your process and association with XS Power!!! HOW WOULD ANY CUSTOMER KNOW?!? THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANYTHING except in your adversarial responses here! I tried contacting you, SEVERAL TIMES to explain this and all you would give was your word they were 321 stainless and made in Georgia. That's it! I'm sorry, Mr. LPP, but simple " you have my word" holds no weight in the business-customer transaction. I have been nothing but civil and open minded throughout this whole thing from the start to now until you come on here and decide to attack, be defensive and then outright accuse me! I came on here to try to get some answers and this is the result and low and behold, somebody else has the same issue and posts his pictures. But then you accuse us of working together because he is part of the "kill the header business" cult. You can call me whatever you want, I'm not a child that is going to resort to that level by calling anyone a "worm" or anything at all, for that matter. That's just immature.
I'll let the responses on here do the talking and people can make up their own minds.

And AGAIN, for "two days" in row I've said THIS POST WOULD NEVER EXIST if you would have responded to me privately.
And "that's that."

[Dan]

Daw daw is Dawdaw.. he's a member here. He purchased a set of LPP headers in 2010...

[Darkknight039]

Daw daw is Dawdaw.. he's a member here. He purchased a set of LPP headers in 2010...
Noted

[Sahara54]

This place is in the Stone Mountain area (11mi) and makes Stainless Performance Exhausts per their site. I'm not trying to get into this shit but this took maybe 20 seconds on the google. Email them and ask if the sub contract for XS's domestic V8 product lines.

[blackbirdws6]

This place is in the Stone Mountain area (11mi) and makes Stainless Performance Exhausts per their site. I'm not trying to get into this shit but this took maybe 20 seconds on the google. Email them and ask if the sub contract for XS's domestic V8 product lines.

Still one piece of the puzzle and honestly, the customer should not need to do all this research. What needs to be answered is how the customer can differentiate the product they received from another when it comes with different labeling and packaging.

Perhaps this info should be put on the website? All I know is setting customer expectations is paramount. I sell headlight components and if someone orders said brand, this is what they get. I would expect to be read the riot act if I sent a differently branded product and rightfully so.

Since the vendor hasn't provided more than his word on the subject, I'm not surprised at the responses here.

[Dan]

33740
33741
33742
33743
Here you go. Right from XS-Power.

[Dan]

33744

[LPP]

Still one piece of the puzzle and honestly, the customer should not need to do all this research. What needs to be answered is how the customer can differentiate the product they received from another when it comes with different labeling and packaging.

Perhaps this info should be put on the website? All I know is setting customer expectations is paramount. I sell headlight components and if someone orders said brand, this is what they get. I would expect to be read the riot act if I sent a differently branded product and rightfully so.

Since the vendor hasn't provided more than his word on the subject, I'm not surprised at the responses here.

These are MY headers LPP is Mine. I made them with XS and you can contact them and they will tell you so.
I contacted Henry at XS yesterday and he said a couple things and you can contact him also
Number one thing is there are really a few big things wrong in the postings
they don't even use 304 in the Imported items its 409stainless and Identifued and stamped and can be tested by a magnet and some is 201 stainless also so the Darknight is just pulling sus numbers from the sky they would never even say that
and they said that the mufflers and process they use is proprietary to them.
You say things like I did not do R&D but I did - in the USA and it was on my car for this community to bring you headers that are better than others at a better price that have better power proven installed by me and others on this site and youtube for years. I will not be called a thief or liar.

[popo8]

Great work Dan!!!! Please feel free to send him a link to the site as well. That way he can clarify anything that LPP has not been able to, due to consumer doubts.

IM HOPING that at this point, thjs is some acceptable proof, as I know that Dan is not associated with either company...

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Dan]

Great work Dan!!!! Please feel free to send him a link to the site as well. That way he can clarify anything that LPP has not been able to, due to consumer doubts.

IM HOPING that at this point, thjs is some acceptable proof, as I know that Dan is not associated with either company...

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

Sent them a link, hopefully this clears everything up..

[blackbirdws6]

These are MY headers LPP is Mine. I made them with XS and you can contact them and they will tell you so.
I contacted Henry at XS yesterday and he said a couple things and you can contact him also
Number one thing is there are really a few big things wrong in the postings
they don't even use 304 in the Imported items its 409stainless and Identifued and stamped and can be tested by a magnet and some is 201 stainless also so the Darknight is just pulling sus numbers from the sky they would never even say that
and they said that the mufflers and process they use is proprietary to them.
You say things like I did not do R&D but I did - in the USA and it was on my car for this community to bring you headers that are better than others at a better price that have better power proven installed by me and others on this site and youtube for years. I will not be called a thief or liar.

When did I say you did not do any of the R&D or anything else related to your effort with these headers? My comments have been pretty clear through this whole discussion. Why would your headers be labeled XS power when others have been labeled LPP (like the ones I have on my own car)?

If you feel you are being picked on and folks are out to get you, well welcome to the internet and business in general. My hobby is not to bring down anyone or a company. I have better things to do with my time. I am a small business owner myself and understand how negative comments can affect someone's business. I posed a few questions which would hopefully lead to an answer one way or the other. In my opinion, you've decided to be overly defensive.

With that said, I hope you can provide sufficient support for these being what you say they are.

[Darkknight039]

This is means nothing as a consumer and as a buyer and nothing was addressed from post #144. Again how is any customer just expected believe and just intuitively know any of this?! And nothing was mentioned at any point that this business was affiliated with another company that makes parts overseas and that it would be shipped in thier boxes and tagged with thier plates with their paperwork, invoice, stickers etc! No explanation and no proof or documentation of anything. And screenshots from his partner at XS means what? Posting a response of somebody else' response from one of the companies in question is definitive proof? The set that was being offered on eBay has been bought or taken down and FTG Motorsports has also removed it from their site. The magnet test is worthless and a Q&A lab or even a customer is not going to use a magnet test as definitive proof of anything as there are different grades of SS a magnet will not stick to including 300 series. I have tried to be civil and open minded and it's obvious that he does not have that mindset. Lastly, and even regretfully, why couldn't this just be handled privately when I gave every opportunity? This is unbelievable to me as I have never encountered a situation even remotely close to this. In fact, at this point...
Fine, I'll concede, but I am not going to be called a liar either or a worm or accused of being a secret employee of another header company trying to sabotage other header businesses as you seem intent on trying to convince everyone or even yourself. People can view the responses and do their own research and judge for themselves.
I'll concede again, I will keep these headers! Whether they are what they are claimed to be or whether they are something else, I'll never know and certainly never be able to prove it if I try to sell them. I won't, nor could I tell a buyer these are LPP headers made of 321 in Georgia when everything I'm giving them is XS Power that is known for also make parts overseas except my assurance and good word. Not going to happen. Not to mention these were ordered on July 3rd and didnt arrive until July 23 and the car has been without exhaust since July 8th so I need to get it moving.
I'm now just disgusted and regretful with this experience, the issue and how it was handled. As am sure your going to say the same thing vice versa. It could have been addressed diplomatically and in a civil and private conversation and this thread would have never happened.

[LPP]

. but I am not going to be called a liar.

and I am not going to be called a liar and a thief and someone that does not do R&D!
and I explained myself now 11 times about the tags.
they explained about the tags also
I will include a note on my website as well. Bottom line is these are my headers and I made them with XSpower and I did it for the better for the community for people like you and Mikey and others who actually have better performing headers with a lifetime guarantee at a better price.
I am here for the forum and other forums and I am not making multiple user names and creating ideas or tatics as such to create any such issues otherwise. I am a respected person on the forum. The analogy I used was in fact the same thing as pot calling a kettle black. You cannot call me a liar and say the things that you insinuated.
If you are not hired by someone to do these things to smear my name then I apologize. I retract that.
I am not here to toss written insults. I was angry at what you said. I worked hard at these headers. The points were addressed.
I also talked with Henry and we will include lpp stickers in the box as well.
These are my headers and these are top notch and I and lots of people and the reviews and you tube reviews show it also.
Thank you and have a nice sunday I really want to enjoy the rest of it.

[firebird_1995]

Thats probably a good idea. By explaining the situation on your website the buyer will know what to expect up front when they receive the item. I would be willing to bet people would pay slightly more to have your LPP tags welded on, even though they are made by XS Power, just to distinguish them from other brands.
A lot of consumers, myself included, will pay more for American made products, even if the quality is equal or a little less in some cases. It's a good feeling to know you are helping support American workers.

[shownomercy]

Assuming they are truly USA made. Still waiting on some shred of proof other than word of mouth.

[firebird_1995]

Assuming they are truly USA made. Still waiting on some shred of proof other than word of mouth.
Yea I can understand that. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for that nor difficult to provide.
I also understand the need to farm out the manufacturing. Example being the water pump spacers I make. I don't have the equipment to mill them, so I have someone do that. He also makes other car parts. If I had them shipped directly from him to a buyer they might think feel they got a different product other than what I sold them because of the unfamiliar packaging. The difference I see here is the company he uses also makes products overseas so it leaves some speculation as to whether the product purchased is made here or there, especially when it shows up with unfamiliar packaging and markings.

Again I'll say that this issue would be non-existent in the future with a disclaimer about the process.

[shownomercy]

He subcontracts to XS/SSAC, who then sub contracts to a mystery place in GA.

When I google Kooks, I can street view their manufacturing plant, its pretty clear cut.

[firebird_1995]

I know, I read the story. I'm sure he'll provide that info seeing as this has caused such an ordeal.

[Dan]

Another email from XSpower...
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[Darkknight039]

Yes, I understand. That was not my intention with anything I said. I ordered these headers and after they arrived I became extremely concerned with what I bought. There was no definitive documentation or explanation and I couldn't get any answers. I was worried that I had been taken advantage of and I did not know what else to do based on what I found. I tried my best to be civil and open minded and made every effort I could think of to not outright accuse, condemn or make presumptuous conclusions by saying "I wonder, I think, I might have, it's possible," etc. Yes, I understand the point of insinuation but I thought that was the best way to address my worry and concern up to that given point of having to resort to asking on the forum. I appreciate your apology and I would like to offer the same.

[Formula218]

wow, long read! shady business combined with very defensive replies, not anyone i'd want to deal with.

glad i didn't waste any money with LPP!!

[Sahara54]

wow, long read! shady business combined with very defensive replies, not anyone i'd want to deal with.

glad i didn't waste any money with LPP!!

I'd be defensive too when you all but had him physically nailed to a cross. He explained himself many times on the same issues and then you don't believe him and want written proof. When XS backs his story with the same thing in writing, they want physical proof. Sadly, even with a picture of the manufacturing facility with a signed notary's stamp and a handshake from the governor, it would be the same result. LPP's was never gonna win in this witch hunt after it got 7 pages in before he could reply. Also, both sides have apologized for the miscommunications and accusations so its time for this to die.

[Badazz96z28]

Yes, I have answered the concerns
a) they are made in the USA.
b) They are 321 except for the flanges.
The point is the XS-POWER does not sell these headers that I sell.
d) these are not the headers you can get on ebay from DNA or XOXO parts or any of the other companies that Xspower makes Items for.
Lastly, I think being called a liar, and a thief is important to me and I wanted to address that.
Thanks

I will ask this question again since it has yet to be answered. How do we, the customer, KNOW that we received LPP's version of XS Power headers when others sell an LT1 header for less that are produced by XS Power and are labeled/packaged the same as your LPP headers? We can purchase LT1 headers directly through XS Power for $475 shipped (was $449 last week), so what is the difference between your version and the headers received when purchased directly through XS Power themselves or one of their other venders?

It is very odd that XS Power does not list the LT1 headers on their website as being 321 stainless steel but mentions that in numerous other header descriptions listed on their site. It is also very odd that XS Power states in emails that these headers are made in USA, but does not mention that very important fact in their description. I am in no way asking you for an explanation as to why XS Power describes these headers on their site as they do, just wanted to point out some things that are important to customers and would be better selling points if listed in the description by the manufacturer.

[Dan]

LPP uses a different design than XS-Power.
How do I know this? Because I have XS-Power. Another member here bought LPPs. He had no grinding to do, no hammering. He also put new poly mounts in.
I had grinding to do, my rubber motor mounts have maybe 2000 miles on them. I had no rubbing on the steering shaft but he did. I don't know if he used a ls1 shaft or Lt1 shaft, I used a ls1 shaft and I know my lt1 would have fit. But that's all 'circumstantial'.

In my opinion, two similar but different designs homie. But what do i know..

Ye have little faith.

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[shownomercy]

I just want a little more than words on the Made in America part, you would think for such a proud statement it would be easy to prove. :(

[Badazz96z28]

LPP uses a different design than XS-Power.
How do I know this? Because I have XS-Power. Another member here bought LPPs. He had no grinding to do, no hammering. He also put new poly mounts in.
I had grinding to do, my rubber motor mounts have maybe 2000 miles on them. I had no rubbing on the steering shaft but he did. I don't know if he used a ls1 shaft or Lt1 shaft, I used a ls1 shaft and I know my lt1 would have fit. But that's all 'circumstantial'.

In my opinion, two similar but different designs homie. But what do i know..

Ye have little faith.

33755

I also bought LPP headers, and received headers labeled/packaged/shipped directly from XS Power. What im trying to find out is how to actually identify what I received if they are all labeled/packaged the same and shipped from XS Power's warehouse. Is there a comparison of LPP headers VS XS Power headers that we can view and identify what we have since they are labeled the same?

"Ye have little faith."
Yes, and rightfully so when you purchase one product- receive something labeled as another- then the only means of contacting the seller is through emails which receive no response or through an online forum.

[Badazz96z28]

I just want a little more than words on the Made in America part, you would think for such a proud statement it would be easy to prove. :(

and also a statement that the manufacturer and other venders selling their headers would advertise as well!

[Formula218]

I'd be defensive too when you all but had him physically nailed to a cross. He explained himself many times on the same issues and then you don't believe him and want written proof. When XS backs his story with the same thing in writing, they want physical proof. Sadly, even with a picture of the manufacturing facility with a signed notary's stamp and a handshake from the governor, it would be the same result. LPP's was never gonna win in this witch hunt after it got 7 pages in before he could reply. Also, both sides have apologized for the miscommunications and accusations so its time for this to die.

Then you'd be an equally terrible business owner lol. I didn't nail anyone to shit! i just read the thread and pointed out how glad i was that I'm not tangled up in this BS too. Maybe in the future it would be a good idea to clear things up when the costumer asked the first time rather than waiting for them to have to make a post on a public forum and allowing it to get to 7 pages???

if everything is figured out then there should be no reason to kill the thread, leave it for other to read so they are clear on what they're buying.

[J33pBr0]

304 stainless overseas headers....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RACING-STAINLESS-HEADER-MANIFOLD-EXHAUST-93-97-CHEVY-CAMARO-FIREBIRD-5-7-LT1-V8-/201005513811?hash=item2eccdcbc53&vxp=mtr

[shownomercy]

One post? Welcome to the forum!

[Dan]

Those are not even XS-Power.. jesus christ.


I talked with Joe at XS-Power over the phone today. ALL XS-Power LT1, ls1, c3, c5 and high end are made from 321 stainless steel. There are made here in the USA. XS-power headers are not the same as LPPs (iirc). They will not be telling me or anybody else exactly where the manufacturing place is, just that it is in Delkab County, GA. He told me if you guys want to know where it is so bad, you can find out on your own time. It is public record, go ahead and find it.
He understands the confusion with OP. The reason they sent him his headers in a XS-Power box is because they have left over boxes from over the years. If you know anything about business, it costs money to buy more boxes. Recycling is a thing nowadays.
They put their tags on things because they want to get their name out there. The only shit made in china is the import/foreign car products. Most of their overseas product is made from 409.
He also told me they told NOBODY that their headers are made from 304. The only piece made from 304 is the flange.

Case closed boys. Can we all be friends again?

[shownomercy]

Yawn, can't comprehend why its a super squirrel secret about the USA making part.

[95 blackbird]

I don't post here very much but I feel its time for me to chime in now. I purchased a set of LPP headers last spring. Prior to me purchasing these there were numerous posts by Carl at LPP selling headers at a discount for feedback by the purchasers on how they fit. Does this need to be tweaked here, does that need to be tweaked there, do they hit here do they rub there, ect..... after the feedback from those purchasers Carl adjusted the headers to best fit our beloved LT1 f bodies.
Now I too had questions when my headers showed up at my door with XS Power tags And stickers in an XS Power box. That issue was addressed last year and I reserved judgement until I got the headers on the car. I did do an LS steering shaft (all cars are different) other than that fitment was excellent. Welds were beautiful, appearance was top notch, ground clearance is second to none.
Bottom line..... am I glad I bought these headers.. hell yes. Would I buy them again today? Damn straight I would.
Try and find a header with this fitment of this quality for this price.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

[LPP]

Would I buy them again today? Damn straight I would.
Try and find a header with this fitment of this quality for this price.

Thank you. I have worked hard at these items and the LS1. I am sorry if I was defensive if that is not considered good in peoples mind.
I understand all the issues at hand and I will rectify my website to make it clearer for future buyers. I again apologize to Darknight for the issues created.
The header post above - from that company on ebay - you can see is crap welds - NOTHING at all like our headers. Thank you.

[5POINT7]

They will not be telling me or anybody else exactly where the manufacturing place is, just that it is in Delkab County, GA. He told me if you guys want to know where it is so bad, you can find out on your own time. It is public record, go ahead and find it.This made me lol. You would think they'd want to clear the air, but as usual no U.S.A proof, besides their word.

Strano has his springs made in Germany by a company to his specs. They have his logo on them, so you know your getting his springs that he designed, not ones they mass produce. It's hard to believe that LPP went through all this trouble to correct the flaws of these headers and they don't even have his company logo on them. I don't understand how guys have been ok with this. How do we know LPP didn't just tell them what corrections to make, and he is just overcharging for a mass produced header, that xs makes.

If your paying a company to make your headers for your business, your name should be on them. What am I missing here? I don't buy the whole "to get xs name out there b.s." IIRC LPP said he spent a ton of money to get these made, I sure wouldn't be spending that kind of money if my name wasn't on them. Wouldn't you want your name getting out there, and build your business. After all your spending all this money and time, all to have a company slap their logo on and take credit. Doesn't make sense.

[Badazz 97 TA]

Some of it does seem fishy. I was a bit taken back when I saw the different label on my "LPP" headers. They looked good and they don't leak. They do what there supposed to do. It's a stainless steel header. Whatever......

I was a little disappointed not having a LPP label on them since I bought them trying to help his company and stay away from the bigger name brands. The label on the y pipe was welded upside down. Lol.They fit decent, took some hammering but they work and look good. It's a 20year old car. It's not a Ferrari, it's a damn muscle car made in Canada. Lol

I wish things weren't so fishy sounding. I really hope my money stayed in America. That was another selling point so I really hope it is true. I guess only some people will truly know.

[Formula218]

Some of it does seem fishy. I was a bit taken back when I saw the different label on my "LPP" headers. They looked good and they don't leak. They do what there supposed to do. It's a stainless steel header. Whatever......

I was a little disappointed not having a LPP label on them since I bought them trying to help his company and stay away from the bigger name brands. The label on the y pipe was welded upside down. Lol.They fit decent, took some hammering but they work and look good. It's a 20year old car. It's not a Ferrari, it's a damn muscle car made in Canada. Lol

I wish things weren't so fishy sounding. I really hope my money stayed in America. That was another selling point so I really hope it is true. I guess only some people will truly know.

That's just dumb. You should be getting what you paid for. If you ordered a set of bigs/littles from Weld and they sent you a set of Rotas you'd be cool with it as long as they hold air? if you ordered a C7 and they delivered a fox body with a corvette logo in the grill it's all good, it still drives. how about you hit up POPO to order a LTx shirt and he sends you a LS1tech shirt, don't sweat it, it was made by the same place they just forgot to put our logo on it. FOH with that nonsense lol. Maybe i just have a low tolerance for fuckery.

[mattgw86]

Strano has his springs made in Germany by a company to his specs. They have his logo on them, so you know your getting his springs that he designed, not ones they mass produce. It's hard to believe that LPP went through all this trouble to correct the flaws of these headers and they don't even have his company logo on them. I don't understand how guys have been ok with this. How do we know LPP didn't just tell them what corrections to make, and he is just overcharging for a mass produced header, that xs makes.



I think Strano used to use Vogtland in Germany. Now they're made by Hyperco in the US. When I ordered mine, there was nothing on them indicating that they are his springs, just a box from Mississippi with Hyperco stickers on them. Same deal as the headers really.

[J33pBr0]

Does Lee Adams of For The Gusto Motorsports also contract xs power?


One post? Welcome to the forum!

I'll rip that blue pos a new one.....name the place and the price.....

[5POINT7]

I think Strano used to use Vogtland in Germany. Now they're made by Hyperco in the US. When I ordered mine, there was nothing on them indicating that they are his springs, just a box from Mississippi with Hyperco stickers on them. Same deal as the headers really.
Not sure where he's making them anymore, I was just using him as an example.

[Ryan Stout]

Does Lee Adams of For The Gusto Motorsports also contract xs power?



I'll rip that blue pos a new one.....name the place and the price.....
That's a great way to make friends. GTFO here.

[J33pBr0]

That's a great way to make friends. GTFO here.

You want some too, buddy???

[Fastbird]

I don't know who you are J33pBr0 but if you don't chill "Br0" you're going to find yourself unable to log in very quickly. And you probably don't want any of Shownomercy's or Stout's car either.

I'm closing this down for the time being as it seems to have run it's course and things have been cleared up.