LTXtech.com NEEDS your input as soon as possible.

[popo8]

As everyone should know by now, Fastbird (SEAN) has offered the community an incredible offer. with a chance to win his complete turbo kit.

For those unaware, here is the link:
http://ltxtech.com/forums/showthread.php?28981-RAFFLE-for-Fastbird-s-PT76GTS-ENTIRE-Turbo-Kit

Today, the site Admins have discussed an idea that would be ultimately be a benefit for a member of the community, however we need your input and opinion regarding the idea.

Our idea is this, LTXtech.com would purchase a certain amount of raffle tickets, and in the case that the site wins, we would use the turbo set up as a GIVE AWAY in a BIG contest (its not gonna be something easy).

Many of the details have not been discussed because we wanted to hear back from you all as the community to know how you felt about the site purchasing and being a "contestant" in the raffle as we do not want anyone to think there is a conflict or "shadiness" if the site wins, based on FASTBIRD's and my own involvement with the site.

I know that Sean has gone to great lengths to assure that all of the bases will be covered so people feel secure that the drawing will be on the Up and Up. I would also hope that the members of the community know us well enough to know that we would never do anything to hurt the community.

Please vote and give your input, so that we can work on further details if need be.


THANK YOU,


Larry (POPO8)

[Fastbird]

Just so everyone knows, Larry mentioned this to me just a little while ago. I had nothing to do with the idea, it was his alone. That said, if the public approves and the site is able to purchase tickets, I will ship the turbo kit to Larry, and whatever decision is made for the contest that the site sponsors for it, I will stay out of so as to remain neutral. I don't want any type of conflict of interest situation to arise.

So, public opinion.

[SSlowBoat]

So the site gets in on the current raffle, and if the site doesn't win, it goes to whoever, but if the site wins, ur putting together a bigger contest? That's what my simple mind got out of it.

[Fastbird]

I think that's the jist of what Larry has in mind.

[SSlowBoat]

Oh okay, then yes I'm fine with that.

[Dan]

how does site buy tickets..?

[popo8]

how does site buy tickets..?

The same way anyone else buys tickets?

[popo8]

So the site gets in on the current raffle, and if the site doesn't win, it goes to whoever, but if the site wins, ur putting together a bigger contest? That's what my simple mind got out of it.

Yes, the site would just be another contestant... If the site wins, it will be sent to me, and We will create another contest (not a raffle), and it will be used as a prize...

[JCzNova]

I'm down. Will vote once at a PC if there is a poll attached.

[Revolutions]

I voted no and here is my reasoning. With a contest the playing field is never equal no matter what is required due to people have different levels of time, skill and/or money.
Some of the people that have already purchased a ticket might not have enough of one or more of those when the contest comes around and I just don't feel that is fair.

[casey20000007]

I'm down I wish I had extra money to get a few tickets


Smoke tires not drugs

[shownomercy]

I just don't see it being wise. Now if Popo or similar were to win then donate it to the site, thats different.

In the end, what would the site do with it?

[Fastbird]

This might not happen anyway. I only have 2 unspoken tickets at this point.

[firebird_1995]

Whoops just read this. I'll go with whatever everybody else wants to do

[JPack]

Not a fan. Majority sold based on the raffle. Now I didn't purchase any but the poll should be amongst those who purchased tickets. If all in favor and they are all ok with it, then that should be the outcome.

[popo8]

Not a fan. Majority sold based on the raffle. Now I didn't purchase any but the poll should be amongst those who purchased tickets. If all in favor and they are all ok with it, then that should be the outcome.

Not that its gonna happen... but why are u "not a fan?"

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[JPack]

As i stated. Had I purchased a ticket, and then things changed, I would not be happy. The raffle was for people and was thought out and posted. To be done right if the site wanted to purchase tickets, the vote should be amongst the people who purchased tickets. They should be the ones to vote on that option as they were the ones that made the choice to purchase tickets. Had this been done at the time of the post of the raffle, that would be a different story. Just my opinion.

[firebird_1995]

I know the intentions were good. The tickets the site purchased wouldn't have any more value or chance of winning than the ones I bought. In that situation, not that I think paper names pulled out of a hat would/could be skewed, I would have personally opted to have the drawing via a 3rd party site. That way no one could cry foul. The site buying tickets wouldn't have devalued any previously bought tickets, it would have just been a way for them to get in on it with the chance to give it away. I wouldn't have cared either way, but it's over now

[popo8]

As i stated. Had I purchased a ticket, and then things changed, I would not be happy. The raffle was for people and was thought out and posted. To be done right if the site wanted to purchase tickets, the vote should be amongst the people who purchased tickets. They should be the ones to vote on that option as they were the ones that made the choice to purchase tickets. Had this been done at the time of the post of the raffle, that would be a different story. Just my opinion.
I still dont understand, what is bothering u about it tho. The site would be no different than anyone else purchasing a ticket? The only difference is the site would not keep the items if it won... it would be used as a give away prize.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[popo8]

I know the intentions were good. The tickets the site purchased wouldn't have any more value or chance of winning than the ones I bought. In that situation, not that I think paper names pulled out of a hat would/could be skewed, I would have personally opted to have the drawing via a 3rd party site. That way no one could cry foul. The site buying tickets wouldn't have devalued any previously bought tickets, it would have just been a way for them to get in on it with the chance to give it away. I wouldn't have cared either way, but it's over now
Yeah... exactly. Maybe I didnt explain it well???

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[shownomercy]

Yeah... exactly. Maybe I didnt explain it well???

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

You did, but I agree with him, if tickets were purchased under the thought that it was everyone as individuals buying, then a third party came in as a company and purchased some, I would be peeved.

Not saying it would ever happen, but companies being some closely involved with raffles they are running always makes people put on their tin foil hat.

[Fastbird]

Should be a moot issue at this point. It didn't and won't happen, end of discussion. It was being discussed to see how people felt, that's all.

[popo8]

You did, but I agree with him, if tickets were purchased under the thought that it was everyone as individuals buying, then a third party came in as a company and purchased some, I would be peeved.

Not saying it would ever happen, but companies being some closely involved with raffles they are running always makes people put on their tin foil hat.
But this "company" is not running the raffle. That was stated in the raffle explaination by the person who was running it.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[popo8]

Should be a moot issue at this point. It didn't and won't happen, end of discussion. It was being discussed to see how people felt, that's all.
Im just trying to understand the thinking as to why they would be against it even if just for future information...

I think that those who oppose it are under the impression that the site has something to do with the raffle.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[shownomercy]

Im just trying to understand the thinking as to why they would be against it even if just for future information...

I think that those who oppose it are under the impression that the site has something to do with the raffle.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

Exactly, you can say it as many times as you want, but there will always be that shade of doubt in people's minds. Just how things work IMO.

[popo8]

Ok fair enough... but does that mean that u (who agrees with jpack) dont trust me? Honest?

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[shownomercy]

Negative, I just didn't agree with the fact that the contest started under one guise and then a third party would be allowed to enter. If that was stated at the beginning then so be it.

Look at it this way, say the tally wasn't printed, whats to stop a larger financial entity from buying enough tickets to sway the odds? That is where any issue I would have would stem from.

[JPack]

You askked for opinions, I gave mine and explained it twice. You explained your position, I understand it.

The raffle started with very well explained rules and exactly how it was going to be done. Very well thought out and detailed. He tried to come up with a fair way to sell and pick a winner. He is an admin on here. There is not a "trust" issue personally with either of you. Both stand up guys. The issue is not with either of you.

When there are contests or raffles, no matter what it is, there is a seperation of prize givers and any one associated with it. Every time there is a disclaimer noted as contestants or their imeadiate families or associates can not be invloved. Since the seller of tickets is associated with the site, the site should not be involved in any way in "prize winnings". It would be just like him purchasing the last remaining tickets and he could possibly win.

Now if the site won, you stated there would be a contest to win it from the site. Well with the site contest and buying tickets, the original people who were under the impression that their odds in winning were just a purchase of a ticket. Now it becomes a contest since the site could have won. Now someone who purchased tickets on the afore mentioned assumption of odds, may not be able to compete in that contest for whatever reason, as the contest was not stated what would need to be done. You took away some of the odds in winning.

As I stated, had this been stated in the beginning that the site would do this, each person pufchasing a ticket would have know this option prior to their purchase. They could opt to purchase or not based on that knowledge. Coming in at the last minute in the final hour would not be fair. While some of us for the most part knkw both of your character, others may not. Some sales were off FB. Some names on the list I have not seen post a lot. Some of those people could call foul.

Now had the option come late, and a vote been put to people who purchased only, maybe that would have been a different route to take.

There will always be that one person or small group of people that will cry about anything or everything. That is not my intention. I have seen things like this happen first hand in forums I have run or been a part of. You will never make everyone happy. The thought process I have put behind my opinion was for the good of the site. It takes one bad seed or someone pissed about something to spread it around like wild fire. The thought was to voice my opinion to elevate what could have turned south. I may not post much on here, but I am on daily many times. I kniw both of you and know you are both guys with big hearts and would give the shirts off your backs. Others, however, may not.

Hope that enlightens my thought process......

[popo8]

Now... u actually explained ur point. Ur other responses were not accompanied by actual explainations with reasoning. As stated... this was just a post to see how people felt and i was not getting actual explainations.

Although i do see and have seen many of ur points... the site purchasing a ticket would not change the odds because of a future give away. 100 tickets is still 100 tickets.

Ir would be no different than "john smith" buying a ticket and saying... well if i win, i will give away the prize to the person with the lightest car at the shootout (just an example). The winner of the current raffle still has the same odds with no change based on who bought the tickets. The odds are based on the total amount of tickets sold and how many an individual purchases out of that 100.

Thats where i could not understand ur response.

Thats all.

As stated, its. It going to happen...was just a request for insight.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...