2016 Camaro

[popo8]

I just learned that the new camaro has the new LT1 in it. I didnt think we would see that till the next gen. Does that mean that all of gm's v8s will start moving towards the lt based design and getting away from the LS (LQ) design?

Maybe @meissen (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=509) or @joelster (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=384) have some insight?

http://www.superchevy.com/videos/introduction-of-the-sixth-generation-camaro-part-1-24614/24614/?sm_id=social_aumochevysshub_CamaroPerformers_2015 0527_46554176&adbid=10153380774755820&adbpl=fb&adbpr=134737255819

http://www.superchevy.com/videos/introduction-of-the-2016-camaro-with-dennis-pittsenbarger-part-2-24642/24642/?sm_id=social_aumochevysshub_CamaroPerformers_2015 0601_46797806&adbid=10153405762885820&adbpl=fb&adbpr=134737255819

[joelster]

I just learned that the new camaro has the new LT1 in it. I didnt think we would see that till the next gen. Does that mean that all of gm's v8s will start moving towards the lt based design and getting away from the LS (LQ) design?

Maybe @meissen (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=509) or @joelster (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=384) have some insight?

Yep. LS will be dead as soon as they phase them out of the 2500HD truck line. Currently for 2015 model year, you can still get a 6.0 LS in the trucks and the 2015 Camaro's still have 6.2/7.0 LS3/7's. All 2016 Camaro V-8's are LT based just like the C7 'Vette. I would assume that they will develop a 6.0-6.2 high torque LTx engine for use in the HD line of trucks to replace the antique 6.0 LS that has been in use for about 9 years now. I'm not sure if any LS based stuff can pass emissions tests for 2017 and beyond. I know that the direct injection of the LTx stuff helps with emissions.

[popo8]

Are 2017 emissions requirements going to get stricter on new cars?

[meissen]

The 2016 Camaro is the next generation, so that's why it's getting the LT1.

[harner]

I was just about to post how the LS7 was supposedly going in the new ATS-V, but unfortunately, looks like GM shot the idea down.

I'm eager to see the new platform make some power and drive down prices of the LS stuff. Would have been nice to see the LT1 in the later body style 5th gen (14-15).

[popo8]

The 2016 Camaro is the next generation, so that's why it's getting the LT1.

I saw that, I was wondering if the LS/LQs would be leaving from everything new, and the LT going in everything V8.

[Dan]

Doubt the LT will go into Caddies.. but eh.
Ain't a LT1 without the world famous optispark

[popo8]

Doubt the LT will go into Caddies.. but eh.
Ain't a LT1 without the world famous optispark


But with the info Joelster posted above, what will power the caddys then?

[Dan]

I just can't see it.. Caddy has distanced away from GM.. I know they are still part of em, just can't see it for 2017. Maybe later, but not soon.. I'm usually wrong lol

[Formula218]

I was just about to post how the LS7 was supposedly going in the new ATS-V, but unfortunately, looks like GM shot the idea down.

I'm eager to see the new platform make some power and drive down prices of the LS stuff. Would have been nice to see the LT1 in the later body style 5th gen (14-15).

that would have been awesome!

[Formula218]

I just can't see it.. Caddy has distanced away from GM.. I know they are still part of em, just can't see it for 2017. Maybe later, but not soon.. I'm usually wrong lol

99.8% of caddy owners will never see their engine, let alone know the block code for it. Old Cadillacs had LS's in them i don't see why they make a whole other line of blocks just for caddy.

[harner]

99.8% of caddy owners will never see their engine, let alone know the block code for it. Old Cadillacs had LS's in them i don't see why they make a whole other line of blocks just for caddy.

They used to do that, and they stopped for a reason (northstar). It's cheaper to use a bulletproof platform that is reliable and already makes great power and they can just pull it off the GM shelves as needed. Plus, the Caddies still share platforms with other GM cars. The 6th gen Camaro is using an ATS platform.

I don't think they are distancing themselves at all. They have higher quality standards than a Chevy or Buick and you pay a "Cadillac Tax" for that just like with the flagship Corvette.

[SSlowBoat]

The new 1500 z71 silverado has a lt1 option, along with a new 5.3 v8 based off the ls, I imagine they will put the lt1 into the 6.0 trucks.

[Dan]

I just think Caddy will stay with the LS block for some time.. The CTSv will eventually get a LT4 I'd bet. Just can't see it soon.. Isn't the LT1 like $8000? Who knows, I hope they do go LTx since it is much better.. Maybe they'll bring back the LT5 for the Vette and slam the LT4s in the Caddies..

In my experience.. Buick has a much better ride quality than Caddy.. 2011 SRX rode like rocks compared to the smooth ride of the Enclave..

Back on topic.. saw a 2016 Saturday.. really don't dig the taillights..

[joelster]

But with the info Joelster posted above, what will power the caddys then?

They have a NASTY twin turbo V-6 for the high powered Caddy's.

[SSlowBoat]

Ls7 will be in ats-v for a bit

[harner]

Ls7 will be in ats-v for a bit

Little late to this thread lol.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/cadillac-denies-the-ls7-powered-ats-v-ar169629.html

[SSlowBoat]

Little late to this thread lol.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/cadillac-denies-the-ls7-powered-ats-v-ar169629.html
Damnit

[joelster]

The LS7 came out in 2006. It is a great engine but they can do better with the brand new LT1 program they have.

[Dan]

CTSv is getting the LT4

[popo8]

CTSv is getting the LT4
That will be awesome.

I know its not the same "ltx" but i am excited about the terms lt1 and lt4 being used alot with this newest platform.

[rwd_pete]

The V8 and V6 engines for the current Camaro have been built in the GM plant that I work at. Apparently our new Gen V truck V8 line is being reworked to accomodate the changes for building the 2016 Camaro LT1 V8 here. I was told the new Camaro V6 will be built elsewhere. They will have a 2016 Camaro unveil for Canada at the annual car show in St. Catharines Ontario on August 7. www.gmshowandshine.ca (http://www.gmshowandshine.ca) There is also an open house for the plant this year.
Pete
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[joelster]

I'm sold! Just waiting to see what special models are in the works aka 1LE, Z28, ZL-1 etc.

[Neil350]

I kind of want one, mainly because it's an LT1 F-bodyish vehicle, some thing about it feels right. I hope Borla remakes the plate exhaust and C4 ZR1 wheels fit :) I doubt both.

[popo8]

I'm sold! Just waiting to see what special models are in the works aka 1LE, Z28, ZL-1 etc.
Ur "sold" as in ull get rid of ur zl1 for a new one?

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[joelster]

Ur "sold" as in ull get rid of ur zl1 for a new one?

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

Mine's a 1LE! Not sure if I will get rid of it and trade up or just get a new one outright. Chevy always waits a year or 2 to release a new model. The longer they wait the closer mine will be to being paid off. I lucked out on mine in picking the rarest color of the rarest model. It's 1 of 92 in crystal red and it has hardly any miles on it (3300 or so). Mot likely I won't get shit on a trade so I'll be inclined to just keep it. The "sold" part was basically that I like everything about the new one. They tweaked the styling a bit to distinguish it without ruining anything. They upped the power big time, and they redesigned the interior big time. It lost 200lbs along the way. Win, win, win, win.

[popo8]

Im sorry... i meant 1le... duh.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[joelster]

Im sorry... i meant 1le... duh.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

You'd be surprised how many people confuse it for a ZL-1. Every time I take it to a show or a cruise or cars/coffee event, guys will come up to me and have no idea what a 1LE is. There are Chevy dealers that still don't know what a 1LE is, believe it or not.

[popo8]

You'd be surprised how many people confuse it for a ZL-1. Every time I take it to a show or a cruise or cars/coffee event, guys will come up to me and have no idea what a 1LE is. There are Chevy dealers that still don't know what a 1LE is, believe it or not.
I believe it. That was honestly a brain fart tho... i remember u got the 1le... just typed without thinking.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[joelster]

I believe it. That was honestly a brain fart tho... i remember u got the 1le... just typed without thinking.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

It would be great to trade it in at a dealer and have them think it's a ZL-1 and give me $48k for it, lol. I wish!

[Dan]

I wonder what the ZL1 will get? LT4 or bring the king back(LT5)?

[popo8]

I think the lt4 is the new king of the hill. What more can they do from factory... more cubes with the blower???

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[popo8]

Seriously though... gm will never let the zl1 have more than the z06...

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Dan]

They should.. Z06 is more of a track car.. Isn't the ZL1 more of a 1/4 car?

[joelster]

Seriously though... gm will never let the zl1 have more than the z06...

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

They have been relaxing on that as of late. The 2016 Camaro SS has the same power as the Corvette. Usually they knock it down a bit, but I think they really want to put the heat on the Mustang and if it means stepping on the Corvette's toes, then so be it. Nobody knows if they will even have a 6th gen ZL-1. Most likely they will have a Z/28 of some sort. So far they have only showed 2 nasty V-8 engines, LT1 and LT4. They probably have a few more variations out there. I'm sure Meissen knows but for obvious reasons he can't share this info.

[popo8]

I see that... same power level yes. I just dont think they will ever let it be "more" then the flagship.

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[BaddAss93TA]

I just cant get with the looks of this thing. Loved the 5th gen. Loved the refresh. Don't love this.

[mattgw86]

I just don't like the high belt line nonsense that GM and dodge seem so fond of. The 6th gen looks ok, but I think I'd rather the new mustang. Or just my 95.

[Formula218]

https://youtu.be/XBuI3uvfb_Y

four days old and already pulling the tires!

[SSlowBoat]

Needs a Cahall trans, shifts sounded sloppy

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[harner]

I think most people are 50-50 on the looks. They will grow on you. I'm not a big fan of the rear ends/tail lights. Then again, I didn't care for the 14-15's either. The headlights on the 6th gen look a little weird, too. Not as aggressive as the 5th gens for sure. The car is on the right platform though and has all the nice modern tech. I wouldn't be opposed to owning a ZL1, but I would never be truly happy with it knowing the styling doesn't excite me.

I literally turn around and look at my 2010 SS every time I park it. I just think it looks great despite always being a dirty black car with dirty chrome wheels. One thing that turned me onto the 5th gens is that working on them is lightyears easier than any 3rd or 4th gen fbody. Headers slipping down from the top, clearance all around the block to get to stuff, true dual exhaust setup from the factory, etc. Plus having the infamous LS platform is an obvious perk.

My next car will likely be a V2 as I crave more power and tech for a DD and already own fbods to keep me broke.

[harner]

Needs a @Cahall (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=5698) trans, shifts sounded sloppy

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I was thinking that as well! Something is up with that trans tune or something. Not impressed with that 1-2 shift in the least, but maybe I'm biased.

[joelster]

It has the new 8-speed. Not sure if they (tuners) have it figured out yet. My friend Mike (New Era) is amazing with the 6-speed auto's, he can't wait to get his hands on the 8-speed. There's a LOT of stuff you have to tweak in the tune to get the shifting jut right for street/strip. He has his 2016 ordered, not sure if it's in yet.

Here's his 2016 ATS-V with nothing more than a tune.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbuhZNwVV1A


It went 12.06 at 114 bone stock a little while prior. It picked up .71 and 9 mph. I'm sure his Camaro will respond good as well. I would expect his Camaro to run a low 12 initially and then a mid/high 11 with nothing more than a tune.

[Formula218]

the size of the 5th gens killed them for me, driving them they feel like complete pigs. i remember driving a '14 SS for the first time and laughing at how much slower it felt than my GTP i had at the time. I haven't driven the '16 yet on the smaller platform but on the 5th gens i don't think it's something i could have got used to.

I much prefer how simple and raw the 4th gen cars are over the 5th gen.

[Neil350]

I had a conversation when my C6 retuned with the guy who owned the shop, he's been tuning since the early 90s when the LT1s were brand new and progressed to each new plat form since. He was saying the new GM stuff, especially the A8 is way more advanced than anything they have seen prior. I remember when the 6 speeds came out, some guys were putting after market torque converters in and slowing the cars down due to the trans tuning. Far cry from the old 4L60 days.