new york is run buy communist

[95albinobird]

some say "you'll pry it from my cold dead hands". well they intend to check this shit out.......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/deceased-gun-owners-ny-law_n_6173488.html

[joelster]

When my dad died we had 7 days to transfer all of his handguns over to permit carriers. This is old news. You aren't allowed to own a handgun without a permit, so when a permit holder dies, and there are registered handguns to that person, authorities are notified.

[95albinobird]

When my dad died we had 7 days to transfer all of his handguns over to permit carriers. This is old news. You aren't allowed to own a handgun without a permit, so when a permit holder dies, and there are registered handguns to that person, authorities are notified.
so if it was you grand dad's and handed down from gen to gen like a family heirloom and you don't have a permit you better move fast?
i just read about it in my NRA mag it say's the announcement was made in November so it's not that old to me.
if you live in NY don't take it personal but that SUCKS.
if i die my gun's go to my wife and no one will come looking for them.
in NC you have to get a permit to purchase from the sheriff it cost 5 bux it duz involve a back-round check.
i have a CCH permit so i can just walk in a gun shop and walk out with a gun in about 15min.
ya gotta love it

[joelster]

i just read about it in my NRA mag it say's the announcement was made in November so it's not that old.
if you live in NY don't take it personal but that SUCKS if i die my gun's are in limbo....my wife will have them and no one will come looking for them.
in NC you have to get a permit to purchase from the sheriff it cost 5 bux. i have a CCH permit so i can just walk in a gun shop and walk out with a gun in about 15min.
ta gotta love it

My Dad died in 2010, and it was in effect then. It's possible that they made a small change in the law this past November, that is slightly different than the law that was in place back in 2010. My brother was the executor and had to handle the paperwork for the handguns. My Dads' shotguns and rifles were not effected.

[95albinobird]

My Dad died in 2010, and it was in effect then. It's possible that they made a small change in the law this past November, that is slightly different than the law that was in place back in 2010. My brother was the executor and had to handle the paperwork for the handguns. My Dads' shotguns and rifles were not effected.
good deal the rifles would be the real heirloom's.

[popo8]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/21/f2ce8fae47c991411aeedd40ebffb864.jpg

This makes sense tho. Its forcing responsibility.

The article says that when the gun owner passes... the weapon must be surendered however it is held for two years for it to be legally transfered.

It creates accountability for firearms...

[popo8]

so if it was you grand dad's and handed down from gen to gen like a family heirloom and you don't have a permit you better move fast?...


2 years to transfer is hardly "fast." You dont think that is a reasonable amount of time?

[95albinobird]

2 years to transfer is hardly "fast." You dont think that is a reasonable amount of time?
okay then that is PLENTY OF TIME that works for me

[popo8]

:) im not giving you a hard time. Just thought maybe you missed or scanned over that part so i wanted to point it out. In Pa there is no need to transfer. IE if my father passes away... i get his guns... i dont even need to transfer them. On the flip side... currently one of his guns is registered in my name. In PA completley legal between he and i.

[95albinobird]

popo8 thanks for your it input is always welcome.
i posted a few months back that i purchased a olive drab g19 gen4 for my stepfather a Vietnam vet and had it engraved with his years of service and the Chinook helicopter that brought him home to us as a gift for being best-man at my wedding.(made him cry)
we did the transfer and kept it all legal.he and my mom live in PA where i was raised. i'm from Willow Grove just outside of Philly.
then he went and did what he needed to do in PA to keep it legal.i didn't want to get charged with a straw purchase buy the ATF.
apparently you can give a gun as a gift to a family member if they are legal to own a firearm/handgun.

[popo8]

Im not sure off the top of my head how direct or close the family member needs to be... but yes u are correct.

[shownomercy]

lulz, thats nothing, read up on NJ laws.

[95albinobird]

lulz, thats nothing, read up on NJ laws.
we all agree that most of those crazy gun laws do NOTHING to keep guns out of the hands of a criminal.
31601

[popo8]

we all agree that most of those crazy gun laws do NOTHING to keep guns out of the hands of a criminal.
31601
Very true they dont stop the criminals from having them. However i believe the intent is to be more specific in the definition to.explain different crimes (ie being in possession of a firearm after the owner passes) to keep from those fire arms getting out and on the street of the "bad guys" just because people lost track of the guns after the owners pass.

[GaryDoug]

A few years ago, a five year old boy in Florida accidentally killed himself with a gun his deceased grandfather had hidden in the bedroom. Nobody in the family knew it was there. Only the authorities knew, and in Florida they did nothing about it.

I recently found a .38 special hidden by my deceased father (d. 2009). We sold it; had no idea it was there.

Edit: I forgot to mention: It was fully loaded.

[shownomercy]

A few years ago, a five year old boy in Florida accidentally killed himself with a gun his deceased grandfather had hidden in the bedroom. Nobody in the family knew it was there. Only the authorities knew, and in Florida they did nothing about it.

I recently found a .38 special hidden by my deceased father (d. 2009). We sold it; had no idea it was there.

Edit: I forgot to mention: It was fully loaded.

Personal responsibility.

Its my duty to inform my family of firearms, hidden or otherwise prior to my passing etc, not the governments right to come in and do it for me. Same applies to having people over etc, if I knew kids were gonna be there, the same premise of moving fragile and sharp things would apply to firearms.

Maybe its just me.

[GaryDoug]

Well, let's see how we can punish the dead guy! So the government can protect the unbourn children, but not the live ones?

[95albinobird]

Personal responsibility.

Its my duty to inform my family of firearms, hidden or otherwise prior to my passing etc, not the governments right to come in and do it for me. Same applies to having people over etc, if I knew kids were gonna be there, the same premise of moving fragile and sharp things would apply to firearms.

Maybe its just me.
i agree you can't fix that with more laws.more people get killed with blunt objects and knifes than guns every year i would rather be shot than beat to death with say a baseball bat but that's just me.you never hear about a kid finding a bat and beating himself to death LOL .
as gun owners we are under attack.
but on the flip side let me throw this out there.anyone heard of this you got to love the south.
the head of a household is required to own a gun and ammo....:2guns:
http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

[popo8]

Every law.... every rule will always have thos pro and those anti.... thats just the way it is. Sometimes SHITTY rules have to be made to come up with good ones....

All Im saying is, its not all that bad, does it have some issues that are "invasional"??? sure, but in the instance written above about the FL incident, had this law been in effect there, that youngster would not have had a chance to get a hold of that gun.


Should people be more responsible.... absolutley... but we know how that goes.

[GaryDoug]

This law apparently forces the responsibility on the survivors: "But they don't tell you the law doesn't apply to long guns, or that these families can sell [their loved one's] pistol or apply to keep it."
So you can keep you father's gun but have to transfer the license to yourself or sell it.

[95albinobird]

i didn't mean to start a huge debate.i just thought that ny and i knew about nj have some dangerous gun laws that hurt honest citizens and are infringing on our second amendment rights and i hope it don't spread.
that said i will never live in a state that has such laws this is america and i have the freedom to live where ever i want if i don't like the way thing's are going where i'm at.
that is why america is the greatest country in the world.....let's keep it that way.:cheers:

[waltsfastz]

Man, That all sucks. Here in KY you get a piece on your 18th birthday,lol.. BUt seriously We have CCDW permits Where you can carry concealed. There is an 8 hour boring as hell class to take and cost about $75 FOR 5 YEARS. But to have to have a permit to own a handgun if nothing else than to keep in the nightstand, I couldnt imagine. I sent off and got my C&R licensses back in the summer. Havent bought any old guns in a while since I started working on maros again

[popo8]

i didn't mean to start a huge debate.i just thought that ny and i knew about nj have some dangerous gun laws that hurt honest citizens and are infringing on our second amendment rights and i hope it don't spread.
that said i will never live in a state that has such laws this is america and i have the freedom to live where ever i want if i don't like the way thing's are going where i'm at.
that is why america is the greatest country in the world.....let's keep it that way.:cheers:
Nothin wrong with a debate... thats what makes the world go round (different views). As long as everyone is respectfull, debates are healthy.

[GaryDoug]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/grandfather-of-toddler-who-shot-himself-kids-and-guns-dont-mix/2214740

[gmpowered]

Ny is a communist state, but I wont get into that.
The safe act (communist law) Is a sloppy mess. A more relevant event is a related article about NY confiscating guns.
It has people afraid to get help, or even talk with their doctors if they own fire arms.
The biggest thing is, public officials trying to prove that it works, using what they can to get confiscations and arrests like this.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/3/andrew-cuomo-sued-by-veteran-after-insomnia-treatm/

[popo8]

But the same thing is done with drivers license. It may be invasive... but the intent behind it is good.

When a person has certain medical conditions their drivers licenses get pulled for their safety and the safety of those around them.

Im not saying whether i agree or not but just commenting from a neutral stand point.

[shownomercy]

But the same thing is done with drivers license. It may be invasive... but the intent behind it is good.

When a person has certain medical conditions their drivers licenses get pulled for their safety and the safety of those around them.

Im not saying whether i agree or not but just commenting from a neutral stand point.

Buuuulllllll shittt. :lol:

I know of countless old people that should in no way shape or form be behind the wheel of anything but a damn scooter. But, AARP is a damn strong lobbyist group and old people vote.

[popo8]

Well i was saying it in resp to his comment that people dont want to see or talk to their doctors... and ur right. The doctors of those people have the ability to do paperwork that makes the issuing state automatically suspend a dl... either way, they should be sending in retest paper work for those people they feel are too old or have health issues thay keep them from operating vehicles safely.

Thats all...at no time did i say EVERY OLD PERSON AND PERSON WITH A MEDICAL CONDITION HAVE THEIR LICENSES TAKEN.


And thats why we send elderly people for retests rather than just suspend... then there is no lobbying...they fail.

[GaryDoug]

"...should be sending...", the key word there being "should". Apparently, in Florida that never happens. After my father's 3 serious accidents in 3 years (all his fault), we tried to talk him out of driving anymore, to no avail. Talked to his doctor, who didn't want to get involved. I even ratted him out to the DMV using their own notification form and nothing came of it. Thankfully no one was killed or injured in his last few years. My mother, on the other hand, voluntarily gave up her license when the time came without even being asked.

[popo8]

Exactly... ur making my point in what i was responding to SNM about when he said "i know of countless people..."

It SHOULD be done. I think the point of my example is being missed. It was a comparison to the INTENT of the gun laws that this thread is about.

[popo8]

"...should be sending...", the key word there being "should". Apparently, in Florida that never happens. After my father's 3 serious accidents in 3 years (all his fault), we tried to talk him out of driving anymore, to no avail. Talked to his doctor, who didn't want to get involved. I even ratted him out to the DMV using their own notification form and nothing came of it. Thankfully no one was killed or injured in his last few years. My mother, on the other hand, voluntarily gave up her license when the time came without even being asked.
All u needed to do was go to the police and request a re test for him.

Ive had people come and give me written statements as to why they feel an elderly or person with certain health issues should have their license pulled.

I fill out the paper work...submit it to Harrisburg and they get "retest notification.

Then its up to them to pass or fail.


Now there are elderlys whom i have stopped for certain reasons...or crashes... and i fill out the same paperwork, including a 71 year old man who had just gotten his license back after being medically suspended by his doc... i met him when he t boned my cruiser.


Anyways tho.... getting way off topic....

[383z]

Texas laws are....well... sound better than everyone else's state laws. God Bless Texas!

[gmpowered]

Exactly... ur making my point in what i was responding to SNM about when he said "i know of countless people..."

It SHOULD be done. I think the point of my example is being missed. It was a comparison to the INTENT of the gun laws that this thread is about.

No it shouldn't. The intent is to control and disarm. People need to make their own decisions, and be held accountable for them. Its a crumbling part of society that is not going to get any better any time soon.

I cant count the number of young people or moms and dads or people i see driving and doing stupid things that "shouldn't have licenses"
Most people on this forum shouldn't have a license for doing stupid $hit in their cars but sit here and preach to the choir.

And thats the other problem with society, people love double standards- hypocrisy and telling other people whats good for them. How bout you mind your business and worry about yourselves.

[popo8]

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And thats the other problem with society, people love double standards- hypocrisy and telling other people whats good for them. How bout you mind your business and worry about yourselves.


Who are u talking too? Or about?