Project "NS GS"

[popo8]

Project NICE and SIMPLE GRAND SPORT...

Well as many of you have seen...I relisted the car for sale. Not for any other reason than because I wanted to thin the group... and well because its a TPI and not a beloved LTX.

Well after many lowball offers...and after my "serious" buyer backing out there are new plans.

With the help.of a good friend... I plan to have the L98 pulled out... and the engine bay cleaned up.and simplified.

Its a wiring mess from conjoining multiple cars of different years together;


With that being said... I plan to have a CARBD LTX built for the car and installed as well.

(I know I know...why a carb? Simply because I wan a keep this project simple... no opti... no computer contolled... and with all the wiring and mess that is under the hood... a harness modification would be ugly as it is already very very "modified."

The plan is a H(not positive about heads/C/I set up and the ability to take a 200 or 260 hit...


Once that is squared away... some odds and end maint...

-alot of play in the steering wheel...needs a new rag joint and shaft I believe.

-small cage

-upgrade half shafts

-prob will need to upgrade ds

-needs bushings and maybe a torque tube mount (thump under the car when launching)

-look into going to another member ( @arod ) here for some body work to the fiberglass pained quarters.

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In the end... I love the gs look...amd I think this could be a fun SIMPLE project.

Sooooo stay tuned. (If u want).

BTW...the car is still listed on CL for sale. So if someone has the 4k or more before the work begins...I will sell it



Build Cost:

$1,000.00 donor 1995 Camaro

$200.00 carb intake

$0. Pick up delivery of donor car

[dawdaw]

Nice I like the carb idea... ive always been a huge fan of pro systems carbs. .. A TON of drag racers use them but they can be set up for street use as well.. they make consistently more power then the stuff from Summit jegs etc because they are custom tailored to your application.

[popo8]

Im actually looking fwd to having a carbd ride...lol. im also looking fwd to being able to clean out all the unnecessary stuff in the engine bay. I want it clean ans simple

[Fastbird]

Larry, please don't beat me with a hose or anything, but seriously, if you're motor swapping, I think an LS in a C4 is a pretty slick combo. :D

[Soljer88]

Sounds pretty sweet, will the carb fit well under that hood?

[popo8]

Sounds pretty sweet, will the carb fit well under that hood?

Sure... its pretty common. You see it alot on the 84s when people get tired of dealing with the cross fire...

[popo8]

larry, please don't beat me with a hose or anything, but seriously, if you're motor swapping, i think an ls in a c4 is a pretty slick combo. :d

absolutely not.

[Fastbird]

absolutely not.

:D You're going to make be do one instead huh?

[popo8]

:D You're going to make be do one instead huh?
If thats what u want. I just refuse to jump on that bandwagon.

[Fastbird]

Lol, I'm non-discriminatory. Actually I just think it would be a potent combo.

[popo8]

Lol, I'm non-discriminatory. Actually I just think it would be a potent combo.

Im sure it would be. Im just brand loyal to the LTX.

[shownomercy]

Popo... if all this is gonna be used and raced, then sure, carb it and be racekar.

But, if you don't even race this thing, Imma slap you. Friggen carbs.

(figuratively of course :lol:)

[popo8]

Popo... if all this is gonna be used and raced, then sure, carb it and be racekar.

But, if you don't even race this thing, Imma slap you. Friggen carbs.

(figuratively of course :lol:)


LOL... of course figuratively. Seriously though.. the idea is to make it a low budget race car... one that can still be street cruised.... Honestly, if it was about making another "camaro" style car... Id just start with an LT1/LT4 vette.

[harner]

I wouldn't be afraid of running a carb on the street. I used to drive my carbed IROC 120+ miles a day all year round.

[firebird_1995]

God I REALLY miss my old carbed cars right now...

[popo8]

I wouldn't be afraid of running a carb on the street. I used to drive my carbed IROC 120+ miles a day all year round.
Not afraid at all... just was stressing that this one is being built to be raced...

[dawdaw]

Lean. ... pull bowl add jet...

Rich... pull bowl smaller jet...

Dizzy turn for timing. .. ya I hear ya some days they are nice. .

The tuning is fast and much more simple

[popo8]

Thats what im hoping for... and no computer or opti. :)

[popo8]

First parts ordered;

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Getting soooooo excited.

[79LT1Monte]

I don't understand why you would go backwards in technology but hay different strokes for different folks. I would order a harness from BP and 24x if you want a clean engine bay and easy to tune, anybody will tune an ls pcm. Just my opinion of course, glad to see another swap car either way.

[popo8]

Well... ill be happy to explain it again... Nice and Simpe... BUDGET FRIENDLY (I have one with all the bells and whistles)... this car is allready a frankenstein of multiple cars so the harness would not be a PLUG and PLAY anything...... NO OPTI... NO COMPUTER (24x and custom harnesses are not BUDGET FRIENDLY.)... just whats been needed and runnin cars since their gasoline powered inception... u say BACKWARDS.... I say TIME PROVEN. U say BACKWARDS... I say then why are u running and LTX... remember LTs are the BOAT ANCHORS... LSX is where its at now... almost seems like am lt swap was also "backwards." Like u said... different strokes for different folks... and if its done in time for 2015... I want u to recognize me...since u wont be able to see the carb from this angle...


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[dawdaw]

Carb is a step forward. .. no bs...

Have you ever tuned a carb Larry?

What carb you looking at?

[popo8]

Personally.. only under the instruction of friends... swapping power valves amd minor tweaks. I have been around it since I started driving... the car people I hang out with are also all carb guys...so im in no shortage of "education."

Im not sure which way I will go with a carb... gonna really depend on the rest of the build first.

[firebird_1995]

Holley 750 double pumper with mechanical secondaries ftw! It's a throttle body and injectors all in one. Can pick one up used all day long around here for $150 and up depending on what options it's got. A plain Jane sbc dizzy is about $2250 less than a 24x.

[NightTrain66]

depends on what trans, stall (if auto) gear, shift RPM, etc you ahve in mind as well as what springs/rockers/PRs that you are using or willing to buy.Call me when free and we can iron out the details. $300 shipped for a custom cast cam.Lloyd

[popo8]

U got it man... thank you.

[popo8]

Think it should be ok...
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0907-nitrous-system-testing/

[popo8]

Hopefully gonna go look at the donor car 2moro... guy is at a good place with price for the entire car...

May just pull the motor..clean it up... get a L.E. cam and drop it in with the carbed intake and carb.

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[dawdaw]

Well why are you set on a dual plane?

[popo8]

Cause thats what I found... want carb... found intake.

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[popo8]

My goals are simple... LE cam...diet... gears... suspension and whatever it can do on a shot (100-150).

[popo8]

High lights...

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[firebird_1995]

Yea generally speaking, a dual plane is for engines built with a lower peak powerband. If you have a cam that requires you to take the engine above 6500 then a single plane would be in order. I think there is an article out there that compares the factory fuel injected intake to the GMPP dual plane and I want to say it made a pretty decent amount of torque on the low end and lost like 5-10 hp on the top end. I would consider the factory intake similar to a single plane, equal length runners with a large plenum area.
This is a bolt on intake and for its purpose, is perfect for this application.

[SSlowBoat]

Yea generally speaking, a dual plane is for engines built with a lower peak powerband. If you have a cam that requires you to take the engine above 6500 then a single plane would be in order. I think there is an article out there that compares the factory fuel injected intake to the GMPP dual plane and I want to say it made a pretty decent amount of torque on the low end and lost like 5-10 hp on the top end. I would consider the factory intake similar to a single plane, equal length runners with a large plenum area.
This is a bolt on intake and for its purpose, is perfect for this application.
I have seen that same article somewhere and they said flat out if you didn't want to deal with a wiring harness the carb option didn't lose any power over a efi ltx

[dawdaw]

Look at what sits on any serious na power plant. .. 430" small block pro stock aussie stuff to 830" big bore spacing pro stock engines to high rpm roundy round stuff. . Carbs


Peoples inability to run them and get the right jets, air bleeds, squirters , float levels etc..set up right and the car runs like shit is there reasoning on blaming old technology

Efi. .. 400 in injectors. .. 2 to 4 thousand in after market computer wiring sensors and harness. .. sure the mags will sell that over a good 750 dollar carb.

The 2 carb cars I've driven being both 10 sec cars are pump gas street cars one being a 461 olds and another a 433bbc and they drive amazing. ... ones a holley and the other is a holley body with pro systems set up on it.

I will say it will pay to have a carb set up for your combo. ..

On.my neighbors olds we had an off the shelf carb on it that was dialed In Perfect with a wideband. .. we called up pro systems and had them custom make a carb and it picked up 15 hp at the wheels

[popo8]

Look at what sits on any serious na power plant. .. 430" small block pro stock aussie stuff to 830" big bore spacing pro stock engines to high rpm roundy round stuff. . Carbs


Peoples inability to run them and get the right jets, air bleeds, squirters , float levels etc..set up right and the car runs like shit is there reasoning on blaming old technology

Efi. .. 400 in injectors. .. 2 to 4 thousand in after market computer wiring sensors and harness. .. sure the mags will sell that over a good 750 dollar carb.

The 2 carb cars I've driven being both 10 sec cars are pump gas street cars one being a 461 olds and another a 433bbc and they drive amazing. ... ones a holley and the other is a holley body with pro systems set up on it.

I will say it will pay to have a carb set up for your combo. ..

On.my neighbors olds we had an off the shelf carb on it that was dialed In Perfect with a wideband. .. we called up pro systems and had them custom make a carb and it picked up 15 hp at the wheels


I totally agree... Im very excited for the simplicity of it all. I know there will be a learning curve for me... but like I was saying all of the car guys Im around here... are carb guys... so this is right up their alley to teach me.

[popo8]

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[popo8]

Fired right up... revd smooth... lil fat. Letbit idle for 10... had 40 psi oil pressure... went in and out of gear nice...

[popo8]

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[popo8]

Certified check in hand... just trying to make arrangements...

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Oh yeah... and THIS arrived;

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[popo8]

Well my friend Ray that owns the shop where we do the LTX dyno day is gonna help me out and we will be using his rollback on sunday am to go get the car... 1030am!!! Wooohooo!

[popo8]

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Got it.

[popo8]

Just waiting on shop time to pull the camaro in and pull the engine out.... once its on the stand, it will get the new bumpstick ordered, gone over... then, thinner

gaskets for a bump in Comp (even if minimal), get the motor all buttoned up (may even run it on the engine dyno).

Send the heads out to get sent out to be gone over to make sure they are level, and set up for what LE tells me they should be for his came....

Those fancy purty headers that American-Powerhouse found me... A Torque converter from Frank for whatever he suggests (will prob just leave the 700r4 alone for

now since it feels strong),,,

Then time to bring the vette in and strip the L98 out of it, cut out all of the un necessary wiring from under the hood, remove Heat, and ANYTHING that can be

removed but still keep it useable on the street...... clean, paint, and prep motor compartment for LT1. Tighten up steering (rag joint has alot of play, so will prob

need replaced).

Upgrade and update suspension and half shafts (at least the u-joints).

Give the whole car a diet, but with the appearance of a full interior....then put it all back together..... and simple wiring for guages, and a non computer operated

engine.

WIll also need to do a FPR to reduce FP for the carb.... I think that is about everything (obviously there will be minor odds and ends that pop up).

[popo8]

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[popo8]

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Although it will prob never get that far... MOTIVATIONAL PICS...

[rwd_pete]

I like it.
You will likely need some kind of control for the electric fans. I just used used a toggle switch to bring in a fan relay while keeping an eye on the temp gauge in warm weather.

[popo8]

Fans already on a toggle... lol good call tho.

[jseal-57]

what did you find to do for the opti block off. chevy performance sells a plate for it.

[jseal-57]

and i found this on another site don't know if it helps you much
http://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/1266035-full-carb-swap-parts-list-what-takes.html

[popo8]

what did you find to do for the opti block off. chevy performance sells a plate for it.
I had not gotten that far... ive e seen them plugged with a slug... but i figured someone must make one without the hole...

[popo8]

and i found this on another site don't know if it helps you much
http://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/1266035-full-carb-swap-parts-list-what-takes.html
Ohhhh... very nice. When im at a comp ill have to check it out better and start my ordering.

It is saying that there is a timing cover that is made without the opti hole... right?

[jseal-57]

it says you need to use the vented opti cover. so 95-97 front cover but if you go to electric water pump I'm sure a sbc one would fit but I'm not sure.

[jseal-57]

what are you hoping for, for power?

[jseal-57]

what trans is going in the vette?

[popo8]

what are you hoping for, for power?
SIMPLE... lol.. 300 +/- 50.to the wheels or close to it...then another 100 to 150 in spray. Will be mostly "stock"... cam amd head work...then spray.

[popo8]

what trans is going in the vette?
The 700r4 thats in it

[jseal-57]

oh well very close to mine but I'm hoping for a 410-430 at the wheels then the motor is built for nitrous so what ever i want to shoot i can. prob a 200 for now with a built 700R4 with manual and reverse valve body all in a 1970 SWB C10 weighing about 4200lbs. with pretty much a camaro rear suspension

[popo8]

Here is the plan. The donor car will be pushed in the weekend after vday weekend. The new owner of the t56 swap stuff and his friend will cone down and join me in removing the motor... the trans amd everything else needed or spoken for. With that done... i will cut a section of floor out to use on my TA that had rusted through, then the local guy who wanted the door and t tops will get them. Once it is stripped to that point it will go for scrap... the engine will then get a gasket freshening and minor changes (slowly) and when its 100% ready...when ever that is... the Vette will be brought in to have the motor stripped and prepped and the ltx will be installed. This is a "no rush" project at this time.

[popo8]

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Still have alot of work to do but the vettes new heart is awaiting a new home (after some work of course).

[popo8]

Put some thought into it...

Keeping it.... and the vette.

Intake is being given to a friend to drill and tap for fogger... "direct port"

Intake will be painted or powder coated to match the white of the gs stripe.

Gonna go over motor as long as everything looks good... will be sealed back up... block will be painted admiral blue to match the car.

Heads will be sent out to be cleaned up... and surfaced. Set up for LE cam... then everything assembled and will wait to be put in the vette this coming winter.

And one of these...
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Got figure out a carb and dist and we are on our way!!!

Susp will get a full poly treatment...

Gears...

Then the car will hit the local votech to let the kids learn how to do fiberglass work... win/win.

Plan in motion!

[popo8]

Temp pause as I put it up for sale again...

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[popo8]

Car is sold. This is no longer going to happen.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...