WTF I got beat by a nearly stock 93?

[Bowtie4Life]

juat got back from the track a little bit ago. On my second run, which is a new personal best, 13.64@104.5, I got beat by a 93 camaro M6, and all he had was a k&n cai, no cat, and a flowbastard muffler, that's it, and ran a 13.45@103.9 WFT?????? I still think that the car had different gears, the damn thing still had manifolds and the stock tailpipes, what the hell???

[mpe331lx]

I have seen a couple 93's that seemed quite a bit stronger than equally modded newer cars.

What about weight? What wheels and tires did yours and his car have?

[KissMyWhtSS]

some cars run better than others.

how was your 60'? Either way your car should be in the low 13's or high 12's with traction.

[Bowtie4Life]

he had stock salad shooter with the stock size tire, and I have z06 replicas with 275 nt555's, the street tire, not the drag radial. My 60' was a 2.18, and his was a 2.02. before we ran we were talking and he told me he was on the stock clutch and could smell it each time after a run, it was also lowered it that means anything, he said it was cheapo 1.8" ebay drop springs that the guy he bought it off of had put on it

[YZF]

My buddies 93 has a CAI, 4.10 gears, and slicks and he could almost nail the 12s every time.

He then realized how weak the 10 bolt was, several times :)

[bricez28]

fuck thats impressive. i didnt know 12's where that easy. i have alot of those mods.

[santa_rosa_lt1]

93's are the fastest,its a fact!

[BLOWNDFIZ]

I say that was a drivers race. Can you post the timeslip? We might be able to tell if it was a HP race or just better driving.

Not saying your driving is bad, cause you are probably better than me, I need the drivers mod in my M6 car bad:laugh:

[Bowtie4Life]

I'm not the best, I can't launch the car very well, but I can grab the gears better than most I know. I think his clutch was slipping a lot off the start, or somewhere, cuz he was telling me that he smells clutch bad after each run, and if it's slipping on the launch, then that's why he 60' better than me. The guy that was there with him got the run on video and was sayin he was gonna post it youtube so I'll try to find it later, here's the slip.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/wingsfan1491/103_0344.jpg

[Bowtie4Life]

my r/t sucked cuz I thought the third amber was the second, then I saw green and tought, shit, time to go.

[joelster]

Your mph was a little higher which would indicate to me that you have more power, but since you both drive M6 cars, and he out ET'd you and out-60 footed you, you simply need more practice, or need to let him drive your car, lol. j/k!

[BLOWNDFIZ]

^^^Exactly.

Looks like the old rule of thumb of a .1 better 60ft is worth about .2 at the finish line.

[Bowtie4Life]

but I still can't get over the fact that the only things done to it were a cai, !cat, and a flowmaster muffler, to all my...shit, I still think it had different gears in the back that he didn't know about.

[Bowtie4Life]

^^^Exactly.

Looks like the old rule of thumb of a .1 better 60ft is worth about .2 at the finish line.

my car doesn't really hold to that, wish it did, but it doesn't, on my other runs I had a 2.34 60'/13.86@103.36(first run) and a 2.22 60'/13.72@104.47(last run), maybe it's me that doesn't really hold to that, I don't know.

[AChotrod]

Dude its all in the 60ft! MY 96 with Just a catback and DRs went 13.32 @103 (13.32@103)+ Ill bet it would have gone faster too. But we will never know since its built now

[Bowtie4Life]

I'd like to get some 555r's and see how it does, but, I don't have the money for them, could borrow a buddy's set of et streets, but I don't want to buy a new rear.

[YZF]

Definitely get some tires on that car! I can squeeze deep 1.90 on my street tires (and these tires suck!) reasoning in how my car almost went 12's and I beleive you have a couple more goodies than me just by reading your sig.

[Grr]

yeah you def have more power than him, but not very much. Maybe 15hp by the looks of it. I too cant beleive some of the times those 93s put up

[Bowtie4Life]

maybe I shoulda bought a 93

[Bowtie4Life]

here's the video
YouTube - Kido1986 - '93 Z28 - Third run

[Z28pr0jekt]

sorry sir we are superior :-p haha j/k..

he cut a good light and has a runner for minimal mods.. a better launch on your part (or tires for that matter) and you would edge him out

[LSWHO]

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=660998

[Camaro_94]

My first thoughts were.. Was the car black? Because they are proven to be much faster than any other color f-body. :secret:. But then I saw it was red in your video so that ruled it out. :laugh:

Just kidding. Eitherway, great race.

[Toronto_LT1]

get that 60ft.times down and you should edge out good.

[jaysz2893]

1993 FTMFW!! My homemade CAI, !cat, Hooker muffler car went 13.2 with a 2.01 60'. I am M6 with 3.23 rear gears. Since the new mods i have goan a lot slower, i need the driver confidence mod to be more consistant. the fact is red 1993 M6 is teh fastest

[chevy42083]

^^^Exactly.

Looks like the old rule of thumb of a .1 better 60ft is worth about .2 at the finish line.

That was my first thought. My truck holds pretty true to that with the Auto.
In this case... .16 is worth a .32. That woulda put him behind you.

You keep saying gears... could you tell where he was shifting compared to you? Seems like you would be able to tell if he was matching your shifts.

[Bowtie4Life]

I just watched the vid again and paid attention to the first shift since it's audible, and I short shift it at 5700 instead of running it out a little more, and I'm sure being stock he shifted there too since that's stock redline, and you can hear both cars shift at the same time. Damn, never knew that the 93's with the m29 were the same as the later cars with 3.73's, cool.

[97z2801ss]

sounds like the your car didnt hook as well either? Im just a noob what do i know

[Bowtie4Life]

nope, not at all, 2.18 60', and my best 60' is 2.12. the car launches so much better on the street than at the strip.

[chevy42083]

I just watched the vid again and paid attention to the first shift since it's audible, and I short shift it at 5700 instead of running it out a little more, and I'm sure being stock he shifted there too since that's stock redline, and you can hear both cars shift at the same time. Damn, never knew that the 93's with the m29 were the same as the later cars with 3.73's, cool.

Don't hold me to this... I know some of the '93 guys will know for sure....

I think the m29 1st is shorter, which is why some guys like it better. In all honesty, when I asked if you guys shifted at the same time... I forgot about the different trannies.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Don't hold me to this... I know some of the '93 guys will know for sure....

I think the m29 1st is shorter, which is why some guys like it better. In all honesty, when I asked if you guys shifted at the same time... I forgot about the different trannies.

Nope that's the M28

M28 has shorter 1st gear, Same 2nd gear (as the M29), longer 3rd gear, same 4th, same 5th (as M29), and same 6th

edit: taken from sd.org

GR - M28 -- M29 -- 94+
1 -- 3.36 -- 2.97 -- 2.66
2 -- 2.07 -- 2.07 -- 1.78
3 -- 1.35 -- 1.43 -- 1.30
4 -- 1.00 -- 1.00 -- 1.00
5 -- 0.80 -- 0.80 -- 0.74
6 -- 0.62 -- 0.62 -- 0.50

So it has slightly shorter gears all around except 4th

[Cyanydem28]

juat got back from the track a little bit ago. On my second run, which is a new personal best, 13.64@104.5, I got beat by a 93 camaro M6, and all he had was a k&n cai, no cat, and a flowbastard muffler, that's it, and ran a 13.45@103.9 WFT?????? I still think that the car had different gears, the damn thing still had manifolds and the stock tailpipes, what the hell???


How did you finish with a slower time but a faster mph.... and the camaro finished a faster time but slower mph, but he still won... Wouldnt that mean he had to be goin faster then 103?????

Maybe I'm out of it but ?/????? lol

[Z28pr0jekt]

How did you finish with a slower time but a faster mph.... and the camaro finished a faster time but slower mph, but he still won... Wouldnt that mean he had to be goin faster then 103?????

Maybe I'm out of it but ?/????? lol

the 93 had a better 60ft and reaction time, he got off the line quicker.

[Bowtie4Life]

yup, the 93 had a .036 better light, and a .16 better 60' time. he's quicker off the line, and I'm faster out the back. different cars run differently, evo's will run high 13's, but run 99-100mph with a really low 60', where most f-bodies will have a worse 60', but will have higher trap speeds.

[Masoch]

My recommendation to you would be to just keep practicin' and also get that thing tuned if you haven't already. You're definitely not getting the full benefit of those mods if you lack a tune currently.

Obviously slicks are a logical step to take here as well, but you said it yourself, no busted rear-end so thats out lol.

[CamaroZGuy]

dont worry too much...not all 93s are that quick. with my listed mods my best run is a 14.2. but its also getting close to 200,000 on the clock and the last owner beat the hell outa it.

[941le]

Dont the 93 T56s have a short first gear too?

[Z28pr0jekt]

Dont the 93 T56s have a short first gear too?

they both have a shorter first gear (Two different M6s in 93s).

One is substantially shorter = M28

and the other is just a bit shorter than the 94+ = M29

I posted the ratios in this thread earlier

[YZF]

nope, not at all, 2.18 60', and my best 60' is 2.12. the car launches so much better on the street than at the strip.

Not mine! I cant hardly get my car to move from a hole shot on the street. Its all about track prep though. Thats what got me the 1.93 60' on street tires.

Lucky for me, I picked up a set of DR's. So no more worries in the traction department.

[Bowtie4Life]

Not mine! I cant hardly get my car to move from a hole shot on the street. Its all about track prep though. Thats what got me the 1.93 60' on street tires.

Lucky for me, I picked up a set of DR's. So no more worries in the traction department.

the local track here is nicknamed spinworld, even big tired drag slick cars have issues half the time here, especially on test and tune nights, and if you're on street tires, you can pretty much forget about hooking up. Everyone that I know that runs there with street tires hook better on the street than there, I've spun hitting 2nd there the last two times, and on the street I can only get a good bark.

[boosted95z]

What options did the 93 have vs yours? If your car's loaded and his isn't that would help to explain why his is quicker. 93's were also SD and for some reason ran a little stronger than the EFI cars.

BTW I have ran ET Streets for the last 2-3 years on my 10 bolts with the same mods (now more) and haven't broke it yet. New diff is being put in until I can buy something better.

[Z28pr0jekt]

the local track here is nicknamed spinworld, even big tired drag slick cars have issues half the time here, especially on test and tune nights, and if you're on street tires, you can pretty much forget about hooking up. Everyone that I know that runs there with street tires hook better on the street than there, I've spun hitting 2nd there the last two times, and on the street I can only get a good bark.

ORL ? lol yea definitely spinworld

[Bowtie4Life]

What options did the 93 have vs yours? If your car's loaded and his isn't that would help to explain why his is quicker. 93's were also SD and for some reason ran a little stronger than the EFI cars.

BTW I have ran ET Streets for the last 2-3 years on my 10 bolts with the same mods (now more) and haven't broke it yet. New diff is being put in until I can buy something better.
I'm not sure what options he has, but I know that my car has all of them, except traction control.

ORL ? lol yea definitely spinworld
that would be it, good ol orlando speed world

[Bowtie4Life]

oh, I also put the car on the scale, and it weighed 3525 without me in it and just under half a tank, I filled up after I left and put a touch over 8 gallons in it.

[IronOutlaw]

Looks like a good race. I wish there were more lt1 cars around here. I dont go to the track much but out of 3 test and tunes I went to last year I just saw 1 lt1 car and about 50 mustangs and maybe 20 ls1 vettes and fbodys.

[Bowtie4Life]

there's usually at least two other's when I'm there, I've seen quite a few up there a few times, but that's only the second time I've raced against one though.