94 Z28, old mans car

[SSlowBoat]

Starting a build thread for Osie's 94 camaro. Bought with a dead fuel pump for 1100 bones, woman owned 130k on it.

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trap-door fuel pump swap, fired it right up. car still has original plugs, wires, opti etc from 9/93 build date. had to lose those damn wheels though.

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car made 241.3 whp pulling max knock retard on dyno at LTX Tech Dyno Day. Only mods were Spectre Elbow, Moroso CAI, and the Flowcrapster single exit catback.

[popo8]

Sexy twins right THERE^

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[SSlowBoat]

things were talked about and ideas were bounced around over beers, many times. i kept telling him to do bolt-ons and cruise around for the summer. But, my father inlaw was very undecided with what to do. his original intentions with the car were to fix it up, clean it up, and flip it for money to go towards the nova project. the more he drove it, the more he liked it. the handling, way the power is delivered, how nicely it cruises. the nova was supposed to get lsx swapped, and he has driven lsx cars before, but he just fell in love with the LT1. now thats getting LTX swapped. the big deciding day was the Fourth of July, when we decided to a) celebrate it redneck style with burnouts infront of the house, and b) to see if his car would even do a burnout. the vid speaks for itself. First car is him, Second car is me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NpSebFgkK4

We came back up to the house, he said give me a beer, and then what do we need for a cam swap. he had got a cam from another member when we bought the lt1 for the nova. so then, the tumbleweed effect started.

there is now a pile of parts with basically everything we need to do the heads/cam build on the stock bottom end.

Bullet cam spec'd by LE .592/.592 w/1.6rr on a 110, 228/234 duration
LE2 Heads with LE ported intake
Accel 32lb injectors
Cometic head gaskets
MSD Vented cap and rotor kit
MSD 8.5 wires
Scorpion 1.6 rr's
Pacesetter LT's
Summit 3" X kit
CSR electric waterpump
Jegs silicone hoses
New radiator
all the gaskets needed
Cahall Performance Transmission Race spec trans with new cooler
Pro-Torque Stall spec'd by Frank Cahall

up in the air is a bigger fuel pump since this one is brandy-new, and gears. May go with a 3.42 with a Ta performance cover and stud kit. He also might buy the same Baer brakes i have. Midwest Chassis subframe connectors and rear suspension tidbits are the few parts left on the table, and will be purchased after its running again. car is being built to have some snot, be fun to drive, wherever, whenever, and to play a little bit when i get mine built up.

[SSlowBoat]

Heads will be in today from LE. Let the build commence

[Blackbird96WS6]

Sweet! Can't wait to see the difference. You'll have to do another burnout vid after install for comparison. :)

[SSlowBoat]

Sweet! Can't wait to see the difference. You'll have to do another burnout vid after install for comparison. :)

Yes we will lol. Its gonna be a fun car

[SSlowBoat]

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[twgoodspeed]

So was it originally a2.73 gear?
Car looks clean

[SSlowBoat]

Yeah they all are :(

[Colossus]

What do you mean they all are? My 93 auto Z had 3.23's and so does my 93 manual T/A. My 94 Z manual had 3.42's.

[SSlowBoat]

All the ones in my driveway?

[SSlowBoat]

just ordered TPIS 58mm throttle body.

[SSlowBoat]

2455224553


it has begun

[ginoz28]

Man I gotta make me some of those " poor man's lift" blocks.

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[SSlowBoat]

They work great. Just enough height to do alot of stuff comfortably and safely

[popo8]

2455224553


it has begun

now THAT is a dirty motor compartment. lol

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[SSlowBoat]

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[Blackbird96WS6]

Purdy!

[SSlowBoat]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/19/6apa2u6u.jpg

Lt1's coming out of cars are becoming a familiar site round here lol

[popo8]

u guys will be experts soon....

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[SSlowBoat]

we had everything unhooked except the shock towers in like 2 hours.....and that was with cig breaks inbetween lol. if i didnt break the damn t-50 for the shock tower bolts when i did the bird itd be on the stand already

[SSlowBoat]

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[popo8]

great work guys...keep ur "focus" man.

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[SSlowBoat]

Trying to bro...alee is chilling with little man and i sent jo to hang with my grandmother for the night. This is keeping my mind off it for the most part. Thank you though.

[SSlowBoat]

clean for 130k on conventional oil....for the most part, #7 had very little coolant getting in from a eversosmall crack in the head gasket.


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LE2 heads installed. ran into a problem. ARP 134-7101 rocker studs are too long on the portion that threads into the head. would either need to cut or get ones that are slightly shorter, which is what we are going to do. supposedly comp rocker studs are ok. heads are ON! which takes a big weight off my shoulders.
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[popo8]

very clean... and coming along nicely!!!

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[Ugod02010]

Awesome. I definitely wanna see the comparison burnout!!! I'm kicking around the idea of saving up for some LE2 heads/ cam setup

[gunters96lt1]

awesome man

[SSlowBoat]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/21/a5yhybag.jpg

[SSlowBoat]

Fuggin original opti was full of 20 years of shizzz....

[SSlowBoat]

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Awaiting new opti and a few other things, white spring, melling pinned shaft and herron oil pump drive in, scorpions adjusted, intake and tpis tb will go on tomorrow

[SSlowBoat]

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its stock i swear!! just cleanish thats all :finger:

[popo8]

Seriously tho..thats the LE top end on there ...right?

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[SSlowBoat]

Seriously tho..thats the LE top end on there ...right?

MEMBER @ LTXtech.com

Yeah man, its stamped right on the end of the heads. Between them, the ported intake nd 58mm throttle body it should move some air

[SSlowBoat]

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[popo8]

she looks ready to go back in.

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[SSlowBoat]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/03/atebehab.jpg

[popo8]

dayummmmmm...movin right along

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[SSlowBoat]

dayummmmmm...movin right along

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It woulda fired off today if we didnt run into problems with the water pump. Guy we bought it from had the heater hose connections plugged off. 60 dollars in brass later, we just swapped the other waterpump i had in.

[popo8]

That sucks....2moro???

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[SSlowBoat]

That sucks....2moro???

MEMBER @ LTXtech.com

Oh yes, definitely

[popo8]

Get video!

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[SSlowBoat]

so much for that.... dtc 16 sets after trying to crank it. no spark since no signal to pcm from opti. opti is new but is toast, and to add insult to injury we replaced it to avoid this problem

[Injuneer]

I thought you only did the MSD cap/rotor? If the entire Opti is new, is it still MSD?

Hopefully the Accel injectors won't prove to be a problem.

[SSlowBoat]

I thought you only did the MSD cap/rotor? If the entire Opti is new, is it still MSD?

Hopefully the Accel injectors won't prove to be a problem.

we bought a supposedly entire new delco opti with a new msd cap/rotor kit because the opti that was on it was filled with water. guess its bad, i went over everything that you do to check it out.

[SMok3 Em A11]

Just read thru this entire thread. Can't wait to see this thing running again.

[SSlowBoat]

hes dead jim......opti is fubar'd...hopefully a new one soon

[ginoz28]

I still can't believe they don't sell the opti sensor by itself, it's a conspiracy I tell ya!!!!

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[SSlowBoat]

I still can't believe they don't sell the opti sensor by itself, it's a conspiracy I tell ya!!!!

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Wouldnt matter on a spline drive, the shutterwheel is tack welded to the rotor shaft, so you cant get it off

[ginoz28]

Wouldnt matter on a spline drive, the shutterwheel is tack welded to the rotor shaft, so you cant get it off

Adding more to the conspiracy. :-X

"Can't" isn't in my vocabulary.



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[SSlowBoat]

Lol new opti will be here tomorrow, fingers crossed she fires up

[Ugod02010]

I was thinking the same thing about the sensor inside the opti. That would make things so much cheaper! Hope she fires up for ya after the new opti.

[SSlowBoat]

http://youtu.be/ixAzy1S9pUA

It runs!!!!

[sweet-94z28]

Runs great! Congrats!

[ginoz28]

Sounds good :thumbup:

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[SSlowBoat]

alright well after a few days of playing with things, some things are still acting up. first i had a right bank lean o2 code, swapped o2 sensor and cleared that. now i have a issue with the blm's climbing up on both banks to the 190's and the o2 voltages staying low, high 100's-low 200's. also, after swapping the o2 and maf, i suddenly had the car start dropping rpm on its own while the map kpa increased until it threw a high map code. it idled out and then went back into closed loop when everything settled. i also noticed when this happened the maf afgs reading increased value. i checked EVERTYHING to try to fix the blms and the issue, checked for vacuum leaks multiple times, came up with nothing.

if anyone can review my datamaster log, post up and ill email it to you. thanks

[popo8]

HOw did it run in open loop.

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[SSlowBoat]

ran fine in open loop. i still have some playing to do tomorrow, gotta slot the tps sensor and get the voltage down and get the iac counts up a little higher. also gonna raise the idle rpm, i think 800 may be a little low for all the airflow going on.

[popo8]

ran fine in open loop. i still have some playing to do tomorrow, gotta slot the tps sensor and get the voltage down and get the iac counts up a little higher. also gonna raise the idle rpm, i think 800 may be a little low for all the airflow going on.

what happens if u unplug the o2s?

MEMBER @ LTXtech.com

[SSlowBoat]

same thing that happens every time it goes into open loop and ignores the closed loop sensors, it runs better. i had two people (one of them owns a tuning/dyno shop) suggest putting it in speed density mode, but i dont wanna go that route yet without a wideband.

[sweet-94z28]

I would be willing to bet that once you get an exhaust / y pipe on the car it will run fairly good. The O2s are getting a lot of fresh air with open headers. I say there's no reason to run the car in speed density mode IMO.

[SSlowBoat]

tb is leaking at the elbow boot, one of the bolts, also one of the pressed in fittings on the side, gotta do the iac mod, slot the tps, figure out how to make this boot stop leaking, do sjm abs delete, throw the exhaust on, piss off the world

[popo8]

Get a good elbow...dont try to patch it up.

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[SSlowBoat]

Get a good elbow...dont try to patch it up.

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We will, but just for today

[popo8]

We will, but just for today

ok...cool.

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[SSlowBoat]

well, exhaust is on, brakes are bled, wheels are on, just gonna finish hangers and put cai on. car sounds mean as hell. thank you to everyone that helped, suggested this or that, and dealt with my freaking out a few times when shit was just going whacky and i was overthinking things.

[popo8]

Glad its better man....

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[sweet-94z28]

Glad I could help out!!! Feel free to ask questions whenever!

[Ugod02010]

Glad things are going well for ya!!

[SSlowBoat]

took it for a ride. feels good runs good. needs a better exhaust that doesnt hit the damn floor. had to rig a 2.5" pypes x and racepro setup since the 3" setup we bought didnt fit a car with poly motor mounts. otherwise, we will see what happens.

[popo8]

took it for a ride. feels good runs good. needs a better exhaust that doesnt hit the damn floor. had to rig a 2.5" pypes x and racepro setup since the 3" setup we bought didnt fit a car with poly motor mounts. otherwise, we will see what happens.

Awesome...any burnouts yet?

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[SSlowBoat]

ehh it was a bad video, he wouldnt just hammer it to the floor and let off the brake, he tried feathering it. franks trans shifts too good lol.

idling at 850ish with 2.5" racepro's and a x...just a temporary exhaust


http://youtu.be/Y8uzyWtShF4

[SSlowBoat]

2556825569

[popo8]

It sounds great man!

MEMBER @ LTXtech.com

[SSlowBoat]

Lookin around march the car will be going to efx tuning in toms river for a dyno tune. Not to take away from any of the email tunes i got, just wanna make sure its perfect, and to see what it makes

[SSlowBoat]

We have been lazy with this car, ran out
Of injector at only 5k rpm on the Dyno, the 2.73 gear is killin the power, and there was a bad knock module in it. At 5200 rpm it made 360 and the curve was goin up up up, so with the 3.42's, svo green tops and a good tune seeing how high it will go

[Flyinz]

Does it have the factory knock module in it? Or have you switched to an LT4 module?

[SSlowBoat]

Bad lt4 knock module, put a stock non lt4 module back in it and its fine.

Researched a little bit, early revision computers have had issues with lt4 modules picking up more false knock. Thats what we have computer wise.

[SSlowBoat]

Ltconvert said the brakes were lacking with the new found power. 20 year old stock brakes will do that. Also, the 2.73 rear was holding the motor back big time unless you were up over 5k rpm. So, we found a 3.42 10 bolt with a truetrac that's in really good shape, new calipers lines and slotted rotors for rear, and some big boy brakes on the front.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/10/5upusyby.jpg
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Baer GT+ found on amazon for a few hundred bucks off regular price. It should stop now lol

[popo8]

Wow they sure fill that rim...

[SSlowBoat]

A small pack of gum will fit between the caliper and rim lol. Got lucky and don't think we have to trim control arms, have to double check though

[dawdaw]

ehh it was a bad video, he wouldnt just hammer it to the floor and let off the brake, he tried feathering it. franks trans shifts too good lol.

idling at 850ish with 2.5" racepro's and a x...just a temporary exhaust


http://youtu.be/Y8uzyWtShF4

Sounds good!

[SSlowBoat]

http://youtu.be/ITib7I_PTbA

little burnout vid from today

[popo8]

Nice... gettin ur rides ready for the october show...and other event the following week ;)

[Flyinz]

Lol, I like! Open cutout?

[SSlowBoat]

Longtubes cat less y dumped 12" bullet that's It lol

I keep telling him to quiet it down and he thinks about it, then does this and says "nooooooooope" lol

[SSlowBoat]

http://youtu.be/Vow_ZMF4EbA

New kicks. C6 deep dish staggered 17x9.5 18x10.5

[popo8]

That gunmetal...looks great against the black car...

[popo8]

What size tires on the back?

[SSlowBoat]

What size tires on the back?

as of right now its 245/40/17 front and 275/35/18 rear. @Ltconvert (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?u=6566) isnt a fan of the tires (nitto invo) and he wants something fatter under the back. trying to convince him to go with a toyo r1r in 305 or 315 in the back and 275 front

[popo8]

Thats a good size. Just remember the wider up front the more the car wants to "track" with the imperfections of the road. Thats the only complaint of my 275s on the front.

The vette has 285s up front and is just as bad.

[SSlowBoat]

he had 275's all the way around on the ss wheels, so he is use to it. the wheels kinda look funny with the skinnier tires. sidewall almost bows in towards the tread. but, with how he is, these might be saved for the nova since it makes the camaro look like a 4x4 lol

[popo8]

Lol... speakin of which. When is the nova build gonna commence.

[SSlowBoat]

Lol... speakin of which. When is the nova build gonna commence.
When he stops spending money on this one lol. Biggest thing is finding someone to do the full floor pan that he trusts. It seems no one around us wants to cut it out and weld in a new one, except one shop, which would be a chop and patch... needs some other body work too.

[popo8]

Text me of u want the name of a great shop. You can go check out their work. Top notch.

[SSlowBoat]

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First time ever at track, track was like glass, tires like glass (nitto invo). I'm happy with that. Car spun on the 2-3 shift

[blackbirdws6]

Looks like she needs a proper tire! Not bad at all.

[94z5641]

Ha...that is cool....my KB blown 90 stang never hit that .....which is why I now own a camaro...ha

[SSlowBoat]

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All this for gauges......overkill.....

[SSlowBoat]

Loud noiseshttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/08/5a8b2077892b160e13b5a9b99ac76091.jpg

[popo8]

Loud noiseshttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/08/5a8b2077892b160e13b5a9b99ac76091.jpg
Lol... welcome.

Sending it out for tuning or mail order?

[SSlowBoat]

Lol... welcome.

Sending it out for tuning or mail order?
Hopefully getting a 2 bar SD base tune to start it, and then see what happens. The fuel pump is shipping usps so we might not get to fire it until osie's birthday next year lol.

The oil lines were a pain, praying they don't leak. Brake lines put up a fight too. It's definitely tighter than I thought it was in there. I couldn't imagine having all the emissions crap and abs....

[popo8]

Oh yeah... def tight.

[shownomercy]

Stock motor?

[SSlowBoat]

Stock bottom end, le2 heads intake and cam, out of the box p600b. 255lph pump, 42lb injectors, 2 bar map, SD tune.

Has anyone ever shot all the rods out at once?

[SSlowBoat]

http://youtu.be/joxnTFpmZg0

first start. charge piping not installed yet. still waiting on tune, fuel pump, and a few other things. this was just to make sure the procharger oil lines were tight, didnt leak, and drained back properly. so far so good, just time consuming, especially when buying a used kit and it being outdated by 10 years. after talking to a few people i think we are gonna leave the maf in place for now. may or may not go full speed density. this older twin intercooler kit is gonna be fun. same kit as in this picture.31060

[shownomercy]

Thats what BLS had, do yourself a favor and grab a CX racing ebay FMIC or similar. Then chop out the front bumper area for all dem nice IATs

[popo8]

I was gonna ask... is there a cooler?

[SSlowBoat]

Thats what BLS had, do yourself a favor and grab a CX racing ebay FMIC or similar. Then chop out the front bumper area for all dem nice IATs
I'm trying to convince him of that. We aren't to that point yet, but the more we get into this, the more he seems to want to make it be as functional as possible. He already is asking about the bigger bov and stuff lol.

[SSlowBoat]

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nightmare......ughhh

[dawdaw]

What's compatible in size to a p600? P1 is a bit bigger right ?

[SSlowBoat]

What's compatible in size to a p600? P1 is a bit bigger right ?
Yea a p1sc flows 62000 cfm max, a p600b flows 60,000. Biggest difference is p1sc and all are self contained oiling, p600b is motor oiled

[SSlowBoat]

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Tomorrow, we cut...

[popo8]

Cut what?

[SSlowBoat]

Bumper bar

[SSlowBoat]

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[SSlowBoat]

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[popo8]

Lookin good man... should see a big jump at this years dyno day.... :)

[SSlowBoat]

I'm not even guessing power lol

[popo8]

What was it before the boost?

[SSlowBoat]

What was it before the boost?
356 whp 348 lbft at dyno day pulling 12 degrees knock timing and lean as hell. Estimate 365-370 whp the way it was before procharger. Ltconvert wants 450whp. I just want it to live lol

[popo8]

356 whp 348 lbft at dyno day pulling 12 degrees knock timing and lean as hell. Estimate 365-370 whp the way it was before procharger. Ltconvert wants 450whp. I just want it to live lol
450 should be no problem @ 6 lbs with a good tune...

[SSlowBoat]

450 should be no problem @ 6 lbs with a good tune...
I think we are going to see lower boost than that with the le2 heads and cam. We will see though

[popo8]

I think we are going to see lower boost than that with the le2 heads and cam. We will see though

I think your gonna be suprised man...

[dawdaw]

Speed density or running a maf? You gonna tune it ?

[SSlowBoat]

2 bar map with maf. Tune from moe. I have a 2 bar SD tune if necessary from Chris incase

[SSlowBoat]

Everything except the gauges, fuel pump, and tune is done. Starting to wire the gauges now

[popo8]

Chop chop... lol

[SSlowBoat]

31150

ran it tonight on a 2 bar sd tune because for whatever reason my cable was acting up. it wouldnt let me flash the bin from moe but it let me flash the 2 bar sd tune. go figure. was really really really fat. like burn your eyes choke you fat. i was able to flash the other bin by putting the pcm in my impala and using larry's obd1.5 cable. gonna button some stuff up tomorrow, put it down and change fuel pump. it has the proper bin in it now, so ill try to get a log tomorrow and drive it around a little

[popo8]

Nice... keep us posted. And BABY STEPS....

[SSlowBoat]

Pardon my gut http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/22/b02d10af97d3badb326c3177f5534154.jpg

Gauges

[popo8]

Lol.... sexy

[SSlowBoat]

http://youtu.be/VFvmKkcNIPU

idling on a MoeHorsePower tune. didnt do fuel pump. i had my tooth pulled today and am all eff'd up from it, im lucky i didnt pass out under the car. took it for a small ride to make sure everything works as it should, and it does. never saw boost though, but that blow off!!! Procharger proflow open bullet sounds amazing.

taking a break for a few days to recover/work/get thru holidays. my new aldl cable should be here by the time i get the fuel pump and wideband hooked to computer for tuning. then, all hell will break loose.

thank you all for your help, blackbirdws6 popo8, MoeHorsePower and firebird_1995 especially. i know i asked ALOT of dumb questions to you guys thru facebook lol

[popo8]

No problem man... never "dumb."

[blackbirdws6]

Happy to help. Better to ask than make a mistake.

[SSlowBoat]

didnt beat on it TOOO much today, just enough to get some half decent 90-100% throttle logs to make sure it has enough fuel and is safe. saw 6psi at 5k rpm.....vid to come shortly. tomorrow morning, dyno

[SSlowBoat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKGde8Zvb7g

First slight boosted rips

[popo8]

Sounds good man. Id only worry about that high side of the AF that you posted on FB if that was happening at WOT....

[SSlowBoat]

Sounds good man. Id only worry about that high side of the AF that you posted on FB if that was happening at WOT....
It was skipping around afr wise, gonna hit the dyno tomorrow and see if It settles down. Osie was kinda moving his foot around too so it wasn't 100% wot half the time. If It goes boom, it's a learning lesson.

[popo8]

It was skipping around afr wise, gonna hit the dyno tomorrow and see if It settles down. Osie was kinda moving his foot around too so it wasn't 100% wot half the time. If It goes boom, it's a learning lesson.

Skipping around while IN IT, or skipping around cause he was moving his foot?


Make sure you have someone working the camera for us 2moro..... hope it does not go boom.

[SSlowBoat]

Skipping around while IN IT, or skipping around cause he was moving his foot?


Make sure you have someone working the camera for us 2moro..... hope it does not go boom.
He wasn't 100% long enough to tell if it was just him wiggling his foot, or if the computer was making changes and it was catching up. Two of the pulls afr at 100% was 11.6-11.7. That's pretty good. Other pull was 100%-91%-81%-97% and the afr went from 12.8-11.7-12.6.-12.2-12.7.

[popo8]

11.6 11.7. Is decent enough... who is doin ur tuning on the dyno 2moro?

[SSlowBoat]

11.6 11.7. Is decent enough... who is doin ur tuning on the dyno 2moro?
No tuning, just data logging 3 pulls so moe has something clean to work with. Car has a 3.42 rear, so 3rd is like 80-150, don't wanna do that on the street

[firebird_1995]

What's your wot timing set at?

[popo8]

Only because im not cofident with any aspects of tuning... i say skip 2moro... make an appt with marcello and make it right the first time instead of risking it.... thats my opiniom

[SSlowBoat]

dyno runs. basically just settling afr and timing out. made 436whp and 501lbft of torque before it pushed thru the converter. needs better converter, forged bottom end, and trans upgrade. its still holding together for now though


http://youtu.be/EeCuSgSQpCw

[popo8]

Congrats man. That was one QUICK pull.

[SSlowBoat]

Congrats man. That was one QUICK pull.
Thank you. I did the math and it comes out to like 24% slippage at 5400-6400 rpm. I don't like how the dynocom dyno loads the car, and it also doesn't have a spark input to monitor torque. So the numbers are just that, skewed numbers. Torque probably from the multiplication of the converter, and hp from the slip.

Afr dialed in for now. So all in all it was worth it. It will still go to jd's at some point, but he has to get the rest of the whipple stuff from firebird_1995. Also, I have to thank Chris and @sweet_94z28 with tuning help late into the night trying to richen this thing up so we didn't hurt it.

[blackbirdws6]

That was a pretty quick pull. Sounded good and numbers will surely improve once the tune is spot on and you aren't pushing through the converter.

[SSlowBoat]

That was a pretty quick pull. Sounded good and numbers will surely improve once the tune is spot on and you aren't pushing through the converter.
The first two pulls were only 60% throttle, his knee was locking up and couldn't feel his foot. I did the last one, afr rich but I'd rather it be sooty than white

[SSlowBoat]

Well, it's hurt. Puffin smoke out of the breather like a old tractor, consistent puffs, didn't rev right either. 355 block i had I'm giving back to him, and he's gonna use his 383 rotating assembly for a little 383 2 bolt shortblock. Low low compression, should live, mad dash for dyno day

[popo8]

Oh nooo.. what happened??? Have u had it out since the dyno?

[SSlowBoat]

Oh nooo.. what happened??? Have u had it out since the dyno?
Nope. But the big puff of smoke on the dyno scared me. He went for a ride that day, did a big ass rolling burnout, and parked it. It was decided a week ago to not gamble with it, and I just started it to spin it around in garage and throw it on the cribs, and noticed ALOT of blowby out the breather. Trans had to come out anyway, it's easier to just drop the k, lol

[popo8]

Darn... well that was short lived.

[shownomercy]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/54441792.jpg

[SSlowBoat]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/54441792.jpg
Bahahhahahahahaha

[popo8]

Lol... very nice snm....

[SSlowBoat]

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Few exhaust valves have what looks to be oil on the inside of the guide/stem/chamber. Is it possible crankcase pressure caused the seals to leak?

[blackbirdws6]

What do the plugs and intake ports look like?

[SSlowBoat]

Dno yet, will know tonight.

[dawdaw]

Yank a head and get it over with

[SSlowBoat]

Yank a head and get it over with
Let me get home first lol

[dawdaw]

Hey can you post the bin that was on the car that was on it when it pooped?

[SSlowBoat]

It never pooped, just suspect. Found a few things. Tops of valves look like they spun around, on all valves. Is that a sign of float, or improper height? NightTrain66 . Roller lifters had wear lines on the rollers, not like a flat spot, but a line around the roller as it spun

[dawdaw]

Got ya. Can you still post the bin?

[shownomercy]

Pull the damn heads already

[SSlowBoat]

2,4,6,8 in that order http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/b3638ceedb4b86961beac9b0bcaf1a49.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/b870fc0bdd9e49cf157424a1fb5032ae.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/f4dd9a3fa1180d3bd3fc6103349367ff.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/6420cb5ceee8d7d6dfc7dae3b89aa04c.jpg

[SSlowBoat]

Again 2,4,6,8 http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/4ef97bc4d1eb6ce5e584946f60c61214.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/f047db97fb0f96c7f6cd7e34982ae5a1.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/531f789ca430192e9fba4d8dceaa3cfb.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/447385430b8cebf1bd5d046431c177c4.jpg

[shownomercy]

Diiiid someone pop a gasket?

[SSlowBoat]

Diiiid someone pop a gasket?
Doesn't look like it, no coolant in cylinders, smells like fuel in chambers

[shownomercy]

Pistons look damn clean

[SSlowBoat]

Flash is deceiving

1,3,5,7 http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/8ecc2792b526471ac9a8bf3059eed613.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/0d5f123b475050a8d984ba8aec7d8e43.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/a4c33c9d67f20a2cbc70278e4c36072e.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/a4bc4c9c2552b3513ef9d10206afd99e.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/ac3f499122c067d91330e84a778c2f10.jpg

Last pic no flash

[SSlowBoat]

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[SSlowBoat]

No smoking gun to be found. Guess it was just blowby, possibly on the valve seals as well. Oh well. Gotta ask elliott about the valve tips and see if its normal. Cylinders still have cross hatching

[SSlowBoat]

firebird_1995

[firebird_1995]

You'll have to pull the piston out of the bore to see for sure if a ringland is cracked.

[blackbirdws6]

Pistons do look pretty clean. Any marks on the bores?

[SSlowBoat]

Pistons do look pretty clean. Any marks on the bores?
Just some crosshatching. Will pull pistons carefully tonight. If nothing is found, I'll probably use this bottom end for the impala to speed up that process. For whatever reason it looks like the pcv catch can wasn't doing a damn thing.

[SSlowBoat]

Nothing wrong with any of pistons, or rings, or bearings, this motor looked very good inside. It might go back together

[jaysz2893]

When we put that blower on my friends car we had a lot of big puffs of smoke, the tune was adjusted and fixed the problem. Now you can just get that 383 done and in the car.

[SSlowBoat]

When we put that blower on my friends car we had a lot of big puffs of smoke, the tune was adjusted and fixed the problem. Now you can just get that 383 done and in the car.
This thing definitely had blowby issues, the valve stem seals on the exhaust side were leaking. Oh well.

[jaysz2893]

My vote is still to put a big electric motor in it.. lol

[SSlowBoat]

What's the best way to southern md lol. Around baltimore?

[shownomercy]

What's the best way to southern md lol. Around baltimore?

Karl's?

Just start driving south. Its a long drive.

[SSlowBoat]

Karl's?

Just start driving south. Its a long drive.
4.5 hours....gonna leave at like 5am sunday.

[NightTrain66]

wow, pistons are REAL clean.

I would pull the pistons and look for crack or measure piston to wall clearance.

If its puffing smoke like that from a crank case breather Iwould say bottom end is wounded some way.

Lloyd

[SSlowBoat]

wow, pistons are REAL clean.

I would pull the pistons and look for crack or measure piston to wall clearance.

If its puffing smoke like that from a crank case breather Iwould say bottom end is wounded some way.

Lloyd
Already pulled pistons, no cracks, bores looked good. Motor is becoming a 383 anyway. My question is about the exhaust guides having oil on them inside the ports. Also, the rotating of the valves and the valve tips having marks on them. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/14/f31952a55caad111de2e3f6ed74265a2.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/14/6295296f416840c6bc2b6e198814b2e9.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/14/ed3e895c828af2c89750f442c3554f10.jpg

This motor had 1k on it since it was heads cam built, and about 50 miles boosted.

[NightTrain66]

strange on the valve tips.

What cam was that in the car?

What lifters?

What kinda preload?

If thiose are the LE1 heads that you bought from me they had 165 lbs on the seat for your boosted set up and that should be fine unless they are Comp R lifters, rockers too tight or a cam with real aggressive lobes.

160-165 lbs on seat with good lifters adjusted properly should be stable to 7000 RPM with 15 psi of boost with one of the blower cams that we do.

As fara s the seals, I would think that it would make other gaskets (valve cover, oil pan, etc) leak a lil also if there is that much pressure in the engine to push oil past valve guide seals too but I am not sure.

Lloyd

[SSlowBoat]

strange on the valve tips.

What cam was that in the car?

What lifters?

What kinda preload?

If thiose are the LE1 heads that you bought from me they had 165 lbs on the seat for your boosted set up and that should be fine unless they are Comp R lifters, rockers too tight or a cam with real aggressive lobes.

160-165 lbs on seat with good lifters adjusted properly should be stable to 7000 RPM with 15 psi of boost with one of the blower cams that we do.

As fara s the seals, I would think that it would make other gaskets (valve cover, oil pan, etc) leak a lil also if there is that much pressure in the engine to push oil past valve guide seals too but I am not sure.

Lloyd
Bullet 228/234 592/592 on on a 110lsa, ls7 lifters, 3/4 turn, scorpion 1.6 sa rockers (which the rollers look fine on). These were LE2 heads done under Goodman in 10/13, not LE1's. NightTrain66

[NightTrain66]

I bet thatw as valve float then.

those lobhes are pretty aggressive and need quite a bit of pressure N/A

Once you add 10 PSI of boost you have 10 psi of pressure on the back of intake valves trying toi hold them open and that will eat up about 25 lbs of seat pressure.

More boost pressure would eat up even more spring pressure.

If the heads and the cam were not set up for a boosted set up (extra seat pressure on springs and slower ramp speed on closing side of intake lobe) floating the valves would be a DEFINITE possobility/probability.

As fara s the blow by causing oil to come thru the guides/seals, it makes sense that this could happen but I ahve never had a car with severe blow by diagnosed and tore down looking for that. Once the blow by was realized (broke piston, etc) the engine was always tore down an completely went thru so i never chased problems like that or looked for culprits.

Was there any oil pushed or dripped thru at oil pan, timing cover, valve cover gaskets, etc?

Lloyd

[NightTrain66]

1/4 turn would help alot but that cama dn boost will want 175-180 lbs of pressure at 15 psi of boost.

Lloyd

[SSlowBoat]

I bet thatw as valve float then.

those lobhes are pretty aggressive and need quite a bit of pressure N/A

Once you add 10 PSI of boost you have 10 psi of pressure on the back of intake valves trying toi hold them open and that will eat up about 25 lbs of seat pressure.

More boost pressure would eat up even more spring pressure.

If the heads and the cam were not set up for a boosted set up (extra seat pressure on springs and slower ramp speed on closing side of intake lobe) floating the valves would be a DEFINITE possobility/probability.

As fara s the blow by causing oil to come thru the guides/seals, it makes sense that this could happen but I ahve never had a car with severe blow by diagnosed and tore down looking for that. Once the blow by was realized (broke piston, etc) the engine was always tore down an completely went thru so i never chased problems like that or looked for culprits.

Was there any oil pushed or dripped thru at oil pan, timing cover, valve cover gaskets, etc?

Lloyd
No, nothing pushing out of gaskets, just the breather really badly. It only saw 7 psi. everyone had us scared we broke something since blah blah blah, but in reality, it probably wasn't a big deal. Oh well. I will be using that cam in my impala. Thing is, there could've been float before the boost from what you are saying. What springs am I going to need to handle it na? Those lunati's? Patriots? Etc.

[NightTrain66]

If the heads are LE2 heads and have Lunati 73925 or Patriot dbl springs on them they should have plenty of pressure for N/A. I would have set them up at 155 lbs on th seat when the springs were new but they can lose a lil pressure.

The 228/234 .592/.592 lobes will need 140 lbs of pressure to remain stable with perfect rocker geometry, perfect PR length, perfect lifter preload, etc, The more these things are off, the more pressure needed to remain stable.

Add 7 psi of boost and that will eat up 14-20 lbs of seat pressure causing valve float if the spring doesnt have that extra 14-20 lbs of opressure to lose.

Springs can also lose a lil pressure also.

If the guides and seals were bad it would have had a lil puff of oil smoke out of tail pipe on start up and get pretty gunky in the ports and hedaers pretty quick. If thats not there then i would assume the seals were in good shape for a long time and just recently went bad if they are bad. Maybe the boost/blowby effected the seals if they are now bad. ???

There are videos of "valve float" on Youtube and you can see the valve stem doing crazy things and wear guides pretty quickly depending on how bad it is. Some of those videos are to the extreme and parts would break pretty quickly under that trauma in some of the videos but it does at least show what kinda stuff is going on even though it is to a myuch lesser degree.

Lloyd

[NightTrain66]

email me a pic of the springs and I'll knmow what they are.

just have them checked to see what pressure they currently have and I would put them back at 155 lbs on the seat if they are not there now. that will be fine for that 228/234 .592/.592 cam N/A.

Lloyd

[SSlowBoat]

its the patriot duals, nice and shiny. ill probably be sending my heads to you for the impala. gotta get the trans first. so when ill do, ill throw a note in the tote to set them up for that cam

[SSlowBoat]

Just dropped the splayed 4 bolt 383 block off to Karl Ellwein, he is gonna work his magic on it. About to drop off the Camaro trans for upgrades and my trans to be built to Cahall and say hi to the pups.

[CPT]

Great seeing you and Osie today. 1 update and one more Pro Race 4L60E on deck.

Frank

[SSlowBoat]

It's official, ERE #59 http://www.ellweinengines.com/ERE59/ERE59.htm

[SSlowBoat]

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Pretty things. Karl said crank should be back tomorrow from balance, then ASSEMBLY!

[94z5641]

Every time I see this thread title I miss the comma....and say to myself..my 94 isn't an old man's car

[popo8]

3201032011

Pretty things. Karl said crank should be back tomorrow from balance, then ASSEMBLY!
Awww shyt. Chop chop...

[blackbirdws6]

Aww yea!

[SSlowBoat]

32024

[popo8]

Movin right along... 28 fays till dyno day.

[SSlowBoat]

motor is supposed to be done by wednesday

[popo8]

motor is supposed to be done by wednesday
Ohhhh shyt!

[dawdaw]

Sweet! Who's tuning it now?

[popo8]

Sweet! Who's tuning it now?
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/04e03e7fb389ca958d58844529fb0435.jpg

[SSlowBoat]

Sweet! Who's tuning it now?
[emoji51] [emoji51] [emoji51] [emoji51] [emoji51] [emoji51]

If MoeHorsePower gets back to me then him. I'm trying to read up on the major changes needed to go from 350 ci to 383 ci that are needed in the tune, in case I have to.

[SSlowBoat]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/04e03e7fb389ca958d58844529fb0435.jpg
Truth, gonna get a box of those lol. Oh yeah. The next build after this is boosted 4.8 Silverado parts hauler. LOL. Osie is losing his mind, wants every vehicle over 400whp. Plowing next year with boost will be fun

[dawdaw]

What about that chassis dyno that blackbirdws6 goes to? Isn't he from Jersey?

[SSlowBoat]

What about that chassis dyno that blackbirdws6 goes to? Isn't he from Jersey?
They are anti obd1 lt1, like everyone else. There is somewhere else we could go, but time is of the essence. I'll baby it and watch the afr, if it looks like shit, it won't get dynoed or it will be limited in rpm.

[dawdaw]

That's to bad. Do they do obd2?

[SSlowBoat]

That's to bad. Do they do obd2?
Yes, and 24x

[popo8]

How bout the place that did my car??

[SSlowBoat]

How bout the place that did my car??
I gotta call them again, but I doubt we are gonna have time. We may run it just on motor for break in. No idea yet.

Tune shouldn't be that far off though. It was very safe before. Honestly, I think the pcv/catch can setup had issues, and that's why we had what happened happen, that and along with everyone saying it's dead etc etc because no one has faith in stock bottom ends led us to this. That motor was fine, it was a blowby issue that wasn't really an issue. Shouldn't have ran an open breather, especially with a maf sensor. Live and learn though. Should be a whole Lotta mean soon.

[popo8]

Really? Why not? I run an open breather.

[SSlowBoat]

Really? Why not? I run an open breather.
It's a vacuum leak. It allows unmetered air into the engine after the maf. I researched it extensively, and spoke to more than one person on here about it. It can cause split blm issues.

[popo8]

Wonder why i have none of those issues

[SSlowBoat]

Taken from another forum :" it allows unmetered air to be sucked in the open breather and then it bypasses the MAF and goes into the intake via the PCV valve on the back of the intake manifold. If you want to run an open breather, you need to plug the port on the intake where the PCV connects to."

Albeit it's a small amount of air, but it does do it. I put it back before we pulled the motor apart and the blm's at idle were alot better.

[popo8]

My open breather is in the valve cover.

[SSlowBoat]

My open breather is in the valve cover.
Yes, so was ours, valve cover leads to lifter valley, where pcv pulls from. Technically, you should run a catch can on the pcv then down to the supercharger inlet, and also eliminate the breather and run a hose from valve cover to supercharger inlet. Says it right in prochargers instructions.

[popo8]

Lol... well im goin on a decade of none of that... no issues.

[blackbirdws6]

If it's tuned with the air leak, it won't really matter.

[shownomercy]

He is in MAF land so even tuned, the motor sees air that it doesn't know is coming in.

In theory.

[blackbirdws6]

He is in MAF land so even tuned, the motor sees air that it doesn't know is coming in.

In theory.

Right but wouldn't the tuner scale everything accordingly...even with the leak? I agree the tune will be thrown off if you add unmetered air to a system that was tuned as closed.

[SSlowBoat]

Right but wouldn't the tuner scale everything accordingly...even with the leak? I agree the tune will be thrown off if you add unmetered air to a system that was tuned as closed.
From what I was told, speed density= open breathers. Maf=closed pcv system.

[shownomercy]

And hence, delete allll teh MAFs!

[SSlowBoat]

And hence, delete allll teh MAFs!
This faggin guy ^^^

[dawdaw]

Yeah open loop speed density for the win. Mafs for wieners.

Run a header evac kit for your blow by probLems . Very effective.

That's stupid they tune obd1 but not obd2... why is that? Incompetent shop?

[firebird_1995]

And hence, delete allll teh MAFs!
Some people think maf stands for mass air flow.... it's much worst

[SSlowBoat]

Yeah open loop speed density for the win. Mafs for wieners.

Run a header evac kit for your blow by probLems . Very effective.

That's stupid they tune obd1 but not obd2... why is that? Incompetent shop?
They tune both, but when you call them and ask they are all wierd bout it

[dawdaw]

Take it there and tell them get it done. Not much difference in the obd2 to obd1

[SSlowBoat]

Well, just got an email i didn't want to get. Looks like it's not gonna be done, crank is still at balancer, something about he broke his drill taking weight out. FACK!!!

Anyone have a running lt1 longblock on the cheap? Only needs to survive 3 dyno pulls

[blackbirdws6]

Ouch. That blows. I know a guy with a stock shortblock sitting in his garage...

[SSlowBoat]

Ouch. That blows. I know a guy with a stock shortblock sitting in his garage...
Shortblock that doesn't need to be redone, I'm talkin throw stock heads on it and boost lol

[blackbirdws6]

Shortblock that doesn't need to be redone, I'm talkin throw stock heads on it and boost lol

I think it's in fine shape. Just needs heads, intake, etc.

[SSlowBoat]

I think it's in fine shape. Just needs heads, intake, etc.
Does the number 1 troll have it in his garage? Lol

[blackbirdws6]

Does the number 1 troll have it in his garage? Lol

Not the number 1 but top ten for sure. :)

[SSlowBoat]

Not the number 1 but top ten for sure. :)
Lol I'll ask him

[popo8]

Focus on the impala and bring the old man with u.

[SSlowBoat]

Focus on the impala and bring the old man with u.
Hhahahahhahahah

[SSlowBoat]

well, fingers crossed that the lt1 gods may bless this build....there still may be a chance, albeit a slim one. but a chance.....

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32118

karl just let me know he is picking up the crank tomorrow. there is a small chance he can get it together, but if he runs into a problem, its not gonna happen. either way, we greatly appreciate Karl's dedication to trying to make the deadline, with honestly only having a short period of time to work on it with his very busy schedule on his end. He is a very meticulous builder, leaving nothing to chance, and we have the utmost respect for him. he constantly updates you on your build, and is very honest. hard to find that now adays in people in general. if you want the best, have Ellwein Engines build you a motor.

[popo8]

That is refreshing news with so much dishonestly around... keep us posted.

[SSlowBoat]

popo8 this was a refreshing pic to receive just now http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/11/730c803a9f174060e1f97d6a918754b6.jpg

[popo8]

popo8 this was a refreshing pic to receive just now http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/11/730c803a9f174060e1f97d6a918754b6.jpg
Hell yeah... keep me posted

[SSlowBoat]

Nope, timing chain issues. Not gonna make it. Shit

[popo8]

I saw u complaining about something on fb "spline drive" something... but not sure what the issue was.

[SSlowBoat]

Timing chain was too worn and gears were too worn. For anyone that looks for a spline drive timing set it's a nightmare, and expensive, so you're better off upgrading to the 95-97 opti. Well the cam pin has to be shortened for the early setup, now he couldn't get it out

[popo8]

Can it just be shortened if removal is not an option?