Breaking 200 in standing mile?!?!

[MeanTA]

O.K. Here is the deal.... The itch to run the standing mile is consuming much if my waking thoughts.....

So the question is what will we need to do. So i can get my TA to break the 200 MPH wall?

My suspension and brake system is up to the task of this. And I am chopping weight to bring the car well into the sub 3,000 lbs arena. I got the T56 and its up to the task for power.

What will i need to do to the LT1/car to get my goal??

Far as im seeing no one has broke this mark in a LTX. Highest ive seen online is 199 MPH.

[Madman337]

To do this safely you will need by far more than just suspension and brakes because at that speed a little failure can get you killed so start off with ALL the safety stuff like a complete cage rated to go 300mph, look up the requirements for a land speed racing car and go from there and if you decide to go down this path I hope you get it on video because I would love to see you go 200 so good luck be safe and enjoy!

[MeanTA]

To do this safely you will need by far more than just suspension and brakes because at that speed a little failure can get you killed so start off with ALL the safety stuff like a complete cage rated to go 300mph, look up the requirements for a land speed racing car and go from there and if you decide to go down this path I hope you get it on video because I would love to see you go 200 so good luck be safe and enjoy!

Ya i know a full cage is in order. Along with a parachute and fuel shut off.

The big issue is what will i need from the LT1 to get me there?

Trust me when i start running cameras will be on board:D

[Fastbird]

Probably need close to the 1k rwhp mark to make it. Weight and aerodynamics are against you.

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[HellTeeOne]

Yep, you're going to probably have to bring 800+rwhp to the party and have a well sorted car aerodynamically. It's a whole lot easier to go 140 in the quarter than it is to go 200 in the standing mile.

[BIG CAT]

You're going to need cash. Lots and lots of cash.:D

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[MeanTA]

Ya a bank account will come into play. This build won't start immediate. My wife will be dine with school in 1 year. Then i will have a great deal more money to play with(160,00 year combined)

I know this is a tall order. Bit figure its about time we break through that wall..... So lets talk engine dynamics. What kinda setup am i looking at? What kinda FI setup. Possible to be done reliably with a factory LT1 block. Or do i spend the coin. And have a gen 1 turned into a LTX(opti provision and all)

[chile]

I agree with fastbird. Look at the standing mile camaro from lmr. They were pushing 2k Hp just to get to 260ish mph. Might have to play with the gearing.

[Fastbird]

I just saw a LS1 camaro on FB.....it was flat green wit GS stripes....touted 1020 RWHP and did 202 at Texas Mile.

[MeanTA]

Ya that 260 mph Camaro is on a total different field of play for me. If i can crack 200 im happy....

There is a gen 3 Camaro that is sporting a big block with 1400 fwh and 4200lbs that hit 220 in the mile.
If he can get that heavy sob to do that. A lighter car with a LT1 should be able to break 200.

[BIG CAT]

Ya a bank account will come into play. This build won't start immediate. My wife will be dine with school in 1 year. Then i will have a great deal more money to play with(160,00 year combined)

I know this is a tall order. Bit figure its about time we break through that wall..... So lets talk engine dynamics. What kinda setup am i looking at? What kinda FI setup. Possible to be done reliably with a factory LT1 block. Or do i spend the coin. And have a gen 1 turned into a LTX(opti provision and all)


imo i would look for a 6 speed vet. they have better a setup for speed. your going to need north of 1k to run the number. but the biggest thing is getting the combo to make big power below peak hp. when you shift at that speed the engine needs to make enough power to pull it back up. turbo would probably be the best choice. also you want the last gear change close to minimize rpm drop.

4.1 rear gear. 7k shift point. .8 5th gear and a .63 6th gear. if you shift at 7k it will drop back to 5500 rpm. at 7k in 6th it will do about 207.

[Fastbird]

FWIW, my old vette with a 3.42 rear went 202 at Texas last year, with about 875 to the wheels. But Vette's are so much lighter and aerodynamic than F-cars.

[MeanTA]

I have been reading up on the lmr car. It hit 239mph at 15 pounds of boost. Making 1300 fwh.

On paper it looks possible with the LT1. Just got to make the power and be able to spin that high for that long without letting go.

Plus side i can get access to K-States wind tunnel(friend is head engineer of department). Where they can push the wind speeds. So i can test if needed. lol

[MeanTA]

From what im finding the LT1 drag coefficient is .08 higher then the C5

[firebird_1995]

Is your car a hardtop or t top?

[MeanTA]

Is your car a hardtop or t top?

Hard top

[firebird_1995]

I think you could find some aerodynamic tricks to do to the body to help it out. Wind tunnel testing will be a big plus to see what helps.

[popo8]

I think you could find some aerodynamic tricks to do to the body to help it out. Wind tunnel testing will be a big plus to see what helps.

Dont forget the duct tape!

Co-Owner/Admin @ LTXtech.com

[BLK95-Z]

200 mph is a pretty tall order .......C6z's are barely getting 180. Maybe run it once and see what your car will do then go from there. Id be interested to see what it does

[MeanTA]

Dont forget the duct tape!

Co-Owner/Admin @ LTXtech.com

Red duct tape cause it makes you faster.


200 mph is a pretty tall order .......C6z's are barely getting 180. Maybe run it once and see what your car will do then go from there. Id be interested to see what it does

C6 has a higher drag coefficient then the C5. The way i see it. If 4th gems with LS/gen1/Big blocks are doing it. Why not a LT1

I honestly thank it is possible. The race game has been changing. And the 1/2 mile and standing mile is getting bigger. And its something i thank we are missing out on. Because we focus on the 1/4. And no one is really paying attention to this sport in our community.

[chile]

I'm with you. I love the standing mile. I really wanna see what the caprice does.

[BLK95-Z]

C6 has a higher drag coefficient then the C5.

It also has more horsepower. Im not saying it CANT be done because its already proven it can im saying its gonna be a tall order. 200mph is fast!

[MeanTA]

It also has more horsepower. Im not saying it CANT be done because its already proven it can im saying its gonna be a tall order. 200mph is fast!

I understand what your trying to say. And understand its going to take power. And getting everything right. But i like the idea of the challenge. And understand this won't happen over night and will take some time. And mabey a failure or two. But with the words of Ricky Bobby "I WANNA GO FAST!" :D

[popo8]

Red duct tape cause it makes you faster.



C6 has a higher drag coefficient then the C5. The way i see it. If 4th gems with LS/gen1/Big blocks are doing it. Why not a LT1

I honestly thank it is possible. The race game has been changing. And the 1/2 mile and standing mile is getting bigger. And its something i thank we are missing out on. Because we focus on the 1/4. And no one is really paying attention to this sport in our community.

Ummmm hello... Anything RED makes stuff faster!

Co-Owner/Admin @ LTXtech.com

[BLK95-Z]

Im behind you man, go for it. I wish i had the cash to try...lol

In for the build thread!

[MeanTA]

Im behind you man, go for it. I wish i had the cash to try...lol

In for the build thread!

Thanks man...... The look on my wifes face. When i explained my plans. Was a pure look of shock and panic. But she is on board with the build. Since she is the bank. I guess that's a good thing.

[quik95lt1]

if it were me.........callies magnum crank (go billet if u can swing the coin), oliver billet rods, have JE make you a 2618 piston, fill the block, billet 4 bolt studded mains......I wouldn't even dick with a normal head.....run a set of all pro 23RR heads or an 18* head with a small valve in it ~2.12> run a big single plane with plenty of plenum volume and a strong SR setup......with a good turbo setup it should stay strong and make big power......however this would be extremely expensive......ive always wanted to run a nice sprint head converted to small valve on my motor but im buying a house this year so that's gonna have to wait lol

[MeanTA]

if it were me.........callies magnum crank (go billet if u can swing the coin), oliver billet rods, have JE make you a 2618 piston, fill the block, billet 4 bolt studded mains......I wouldn't even dick with a normal head.....run a set of all pro 23RR heads or an 18* head with a small valve in it ~2.12> run a big single plane with plenty of plenum volume and a strong SR setup......with a good turbo setup it should stay strong and make big power......however this would be extremely expensive......ive always wanted to run a nice sprint head converted to small valve on my motor but im buying a house this year so that's gonna have to wait lol

Ya i sold my AFR heads. And going with a 18° setup. Billet is the way to go.

Im starting on buying some engine parts. But about year out from starting. Focusing on body/chassis right now. We will be moving about 2 hours from our current house. And buying a new home. So moving slow for next year.

[HellTeeOne]

I remember several years ago that fella Jim Moran (INTMD8 on CZ28.com) had a twin turbo 96 SS that was mostly stock aerodynamically, made around 850rwhp and ran 199 at Maxton the one pass before he got DQ'd for improper safety equipment.

[z28 f1]

Hey:

I miss Maxton I wish they could have kept it here.

Dub

[HellTeeOne]

Hey:

I miss Maxton I wish they could have kept it here.

Dub

It's still there as far as I know. A couple friends of mine are active in ECTA, the story is a defense contractor had first right on the grounds lease at that facility and their business was becoming much more active, meaning their was no more room or time for the racers.
If we can get some more needed cuts in the defense budget we might get our mile back, lol. Probably wishful thinking there.

Anyhow, I feel confident that if you can build a setup that will make 900 RELIABLE rwhp and put such to the ground efficiently, you can hit 200 in an LT1 f-body with little more than lowered stance (an absolute neccessity above about 140 in these cars) and some minor aero adjustments here and there.
INTMD8's previously mentioned car was one of the best and most well-sorted "do it all" street oriented f-bodies I've ever seen. Absolutely zero corners cut on that thing and it showed, 199 on the first pass with stock 1996 SS bodywork and 3700lb raceweight is a heavy tune to play, particularly when you had just driven the thing from Chicago to Maxton. With just a tire change it was also capable of running 9s at well over 140 in the 1/4, all with a T56 and intact factory creature comforts.

850-900 repeatable, reliable rwhp, some minor aero tweaks, proper gearing and adequate traction and you're likely there.

[IndianScout]

my 2:73 rear end would help ya lol

at 70 I'm not even pulling 2k on the tach

[SexyTransAm]

Dude when my car was stock with 2.73s I could do 80 and only turn 2000 rpms

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[Blackbird96WS6]

I don't recall if you mentioned if you're staying M6 or swapping to A4, but I know my M6 turns 2000 RPMs at 80 MPH with the stock 3.42s lol.

[MeanTA]

Im keeping the M6. Its pretty much required. lol

The gearing depends on power, wieght ect. I only got 1 mile to hit 200+

[projectbirdshot]

I noticed in your last thread you mention oil squirters to cool pistons. Great idea and very cheap to accomplish. I've seen great results from them in offshore powerboat motors namely from mercury in their 1075hp supercharged motors and id have to imagine they also have them in their 1600hp turbo motors to keep piston temps down. Just be careful because if you do decide to install them and the jetting is too big they can 'flood' the rings with oil and keep the rings from breaking in properly and in some cases at all.

[94m6z28]

someone else after my goal:P my builder warned about that as well, i opted to stay away from them on this motor and just went with having everything coated, probably going to pay for that in the long run

[MeanTA]

someone else after my goal:P my builder warned about that as well, i opted to stay away from them on this motor and just went with having everything coated, probably going to pay for that in the long run

Guess we will have to see who comes out on top:p lol

I've been sitting in the shadows guess you would say working on the car.

Been pulling more wieght from car. Got the top end ironed out. And been talking with some companies getting my bottom end figured so its bullet proof. The price tag keeps growing:banghead:

Been having parts trickle in weekly almost for the build.

[94m6z28]

haha as long as it stays together ill be happy:P its amazing how quickly the "i want more power" to "you need more money" scale climbs:doh: but worth it in the long run, saves yah from a second...or third build

[MeanTA]

haha as long as it stays together ill be happy:P its amazing how quickly the "i want more power" to "you need more money" scale climbs:doh: but worth it in the long run, saves yah from a second...or third build

Yep. My car was built, tore down, and rebuilt like 20 times on paper. Before I came up with mostly final design so I could start. lol

[Greatwhitet/a]

I would like some updates on this please....:claps:

[popo8]

I know he had been gathering parts for the intense build. Recently I believe he has beem working on his dodge truck project...
MeanTA

LTXtech.com is my DRUG!

[MeanTA]

I've been doing some work on paper I guess you can say. The tweeks I need to make to body are figured out. I was hoping I could run a modified stock style TA wing. But that is a no go. So I will be running a purpose build aluminum wing. All the parts have been striped from my car. And drive train is ready to pull.

I got a unholy amount of new parts for the car sitting in boxes waiting on me. I'm just waiting on warmer weather and wife to be on summer brake(early may) so I can start on the body then engine.

I had to take a step back from the car for a minute. Because the stress of the build was getting overwhelming since I'm a one man show lol. The build for 200+ mile is really envolved. And have a lot of rules I need to meet for the class. Along with the cost of parts like the 2,500 callies crank. So I picked up a Dakota I'm building up a little to have something fun to enjoy on the streets that isn't so involved.

I will be starting a build thread in about 6 weeks. Because I'll have the time to make some real progress.

[BIG CAT]

So did you end up with that aluminum block?

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[MeanTA]

So did you end up with that aluminum block?

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No I sent multiple PM's and emails to the guy. And he never responded. Which is sad because I had the money ready and waiting to buy it. So I'm back to a factory block.

[ZOHAN]

Wow. That sucks... I cant wait to see more. :)

Making you silky smooth...

[Greatwhitet/a]

I've been doing some work on paper I guess you can say. The tweeks I need to make to body are figured out. I was hoping I could run a modified stock style TA wing. But that is a no go. So I will be running a purpose build aluminum wing.

Thats unfortunate.. I am interested to know the reasoning behind this, and what you found. Please elaborate. MeanTA

[MeanTA]

Thats unfortunate.. I am interested to know the reasoning behind this, and what you found. Please elaborate. MeanTA

The TA wing is effective to a point. But me and friend found a few major issues

The wing creates to much drag due to its high profile and shape.
The shape makes tail unstable closer you get to 200 due to turbulence created behind wing and the outward curved shape of wing being hit from cross wind.

Basically what we found It becomes a vertical wall at higher speeds. And the turbulent air behind it will make The rear not have a constant down force. And cause rear to wash side to side.

The wing just wasn't meant for these speeds. At around 140 the wing begins to actually work against the car.

[BIG CAT]

No I sent multiple PM's and emails to the guy. And he never responded. Which is sad because I had the money ready and waiting to buy it. So I'm back to a factory block.

Bummer. We were looking to buy it as well. But I guess it was not ment to be.

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[firebird_1995]

Bummer. We were looking to buy it as well. But I guess it was not ment to be.

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BIG CAT
What about putting oversized sleeves in a stock block to increase bore size? I thought it was you that posted that older magazine ad a while back but it may have been noice

[MeanTA]

Bummer. We were looking to buy it as well. But I guess it was not ment to be.

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Yep. We made it this far without a aftermarket block. We will just keep on keeping on:D LOL

[BIG CAT]

BIG CAT
What about putting oversized sleeves in a stock block to increase bore size? I thought it was you that posted that older magazine ad a while back but it may have been noice

Yes it was me. I haven't had much time to investigate the feasibility with a good machinest. With that aluminum block. All I would have to do was swap out the liners for a fresh set. They are only 60 each from darton.

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[Blackbird96WS6]

The TA wing is effective to a point. But me and friend found a few major issues

The wing creates to much drag due to its high profile and shape.
The shape makes tail unstable closer you get to 200 due to turbulence created behind wing and the outward curved shape of wing being hit from cross wind.

Basically what we found It becomes a vertical wall at higher speeds. And the turbulent air behind it will make The rear not have a constant down force. And cause rear to wash side to side.

The wing just wasn't meant for these speeds. At around 140 the wing begins to actually work against the car.

That's some good info. What speeds did you see it start being effective, since 140+ is not so bueno? Just to know what range it's actually doing work.

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[noice]

No that was a link that bigcat posted on YB.

[MeanTA]

That's some good info. What speeds did you see it start being effective, since 140+ is not so bueno? Just to know what range it's actually doing work.

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You see it being beneficial fairly early on. But becomes noticeable at the 65-70 my range. It gets better and better then doesn't. It's a big negative pretty fast. Just kinda goes boom I'm done.

Another issue is the front end. And wanting to lift. Imagine a stock body TA doing 180 with front end trying to lift. And rear getting squarely with a cross wind. One word "SCARY" lol

[Greatwhitet/a]

The TA wing is effective to a point. But me and friend found a few major issues

The wing creates to much drag due to its high profile and shape.
The shape makes tail unstable closer you get to 200 due to turbulence created behind wing and the outward curved shape of wing being hit from cross wind.

Basically what we found It becomes a vertical wall at higher speeds. And the turbulent air behind it will make The rear not have a constant down force. And cause rear to wash side to side.

The wing just wasn't meant for these speeds. At around 140 the wing begins to actually work against the car.

There is a 1/4 car running around with the high rise spoiler that has the riser cut so it sits flat. I thought it was Stefan Destito's car, but it is not. If i can find a pic I will get it to ya. MeanTA

[Greatwhitet/a]

I am sure many of you are familiar with this car, but I think it demonstrates what MeanTA is saying about the lift on the front end. Interestingly he is still running the spoiler... I wonder if flash is even aware of this drag phenomenon with the spoiler.. Also check out the hood before the put the hood pin in the center. MeanTA


http://youtu.be/ajJtuPdoMe0

[MeanTA]

Flash is more of a 1/4-1/2 setup. So he probably hasn't really looked into drag coefficient based on how the car is setup. He just uses brute force to get his car moving.

Being that I'm using a LT1 I am limited on power that will be available. So weight and drag comes more into play. So I can the highest speed possible.

[Greatwhitet/a]

Flash is more of a 1/4-1/2 setup. So he probably hasn't really looked into drag coefficient based on how the car is setup. He just uses brute force to get his car moving.

Being that I'm using a LT1 I am limited on power that will be available. So weight and drag comes more into play. So I can the highest speed possible.

I just figured even in the 1/2 that at the speeds (150+ here and Likely faster this year with his new setup) he is running; it is still demonstrating the lift you were mentioning in the front.. MeanTA I get what you are saying though.

[Sahara54]

If i remember Larry posted a vid from motortrend or car and driver from 94' and it had; I think a Lingenfelter firehawk with a top speed of 191. I remember the Driver saying it felt the most planted of any of the cars even at speed so I wonder if using a smoothed formula nose would make the car more aerodynamic.

Flash also has a huge hole in his front bumper for the intercooler acting like a sail and lifting the car up. Are you going to run a Air to Water set up?

[noice]

This Wednesday I'm going to the track with a car that only makes 750TQ & 1100HP and are going to rip off some 160 mph 1/8th mile passes. If you got the motor, you can make a brick do 200 eventually.

If you want to know what you'll need to make 200 mph, do what the bonneville racers do and calculate the aerodynamic data, final drive data, and assumed weather. Right there you'll know what you need HP wise to make it to 200 mph.

There is a couple of programs to do that, I have one of them.

[MeanTA]

If i remember Larry posted a vid from motortrend or car and driver from 94' and it had; I think a Lingenfelter firehawk with a top speed of 191. I remember the Driver saying it felt the most planted of any of the cars even at speed so I wonder if using a smoothed formula nose would make the car more aerodynamic.

Flash also has a huge hole in his front bumper for the intercooler acting like a sail and lifting the car up. Are you going to run a Air to Water set up?

I'm running a A/W setup. The issue as you know is faster you go. The denser the air becomes in front of the bumper. And as you push through it accelerates. And pushes around the car. If it catches on any pockets like holes of indentations it causes resistance. And by design it becomes more turbulent under the car. The wing on the TA sweeps outward from the body. Creating a sail basically if hit from side. The design needs to sweep inward from rear to allow crosswind to slip over the body.

Hope that makes since. I'm still waking up. lol



This Wednesday I'm going to the track with a car that only makes 750TQ & 1100HP and are going to rip off some 160 mph 1/8th mile passes. If you got the motor, you can make a brick do 200 eventually.

If you want to know what you'll need to make 200 mph, do what the bonneville racers do and calculate the aerodynamic data, final drive data, and assumed weather. Right there you'll know what you need HP wise to make it to 200 mph.

There is a couple of programs to do that, I have one of them.

It's not really a question if I can reach it. It's more of a design that will be most efficient. And get my car as fast as possible. So least weight, proper balance of downforce, least amount of drag.

I'm working with my friend that's a aerospace engineer. That's helping me get the car smooth as possible. That's why I'm ready for better weather so I can start molding parts. So I can get it hammered out. Then begin the carbon fiber body panels.

[Greatwhitet/a]

So how about this modified spoiler of Joe Overtons car? MeanTA27776

Also is there a way to get the stock27778 style hood to flow like this? 27777

I hate when such a fast looking car doesn't actually function the way it looks like it should. I also would hate to have a barely recognizable LT1 TA hit 200..

[MeanTA]

The car will still be recognized as a TA. It will be heavily modified from a mechanical and cosmetic stand point. I didn't really choose to use this car as the mule because I had it. It came down to which is the best out of the F-Bodies to use.

This build has become it's own monster. I have only 2 rules: 1 must be 93-97, 2 must be LT1. For me it's less about staying true to GM design. And more about making people take notice of the LT1. And prove something to the rest that pass it over for the new kid on the block. Snubbing there nose at it.

I'm extremely loyal to this platform. I've let LS, Hemi, BBC, SBC, SB mopars. Come and go over the years. But I've always had a LT1 in my possession. lol

As far as the stock vents. Even if opened up. They sit to far forward to really be of use.

That was a little drawn out sorry. Just started rolling.:D

[Greatwhitet/a]

about making people take notice of the LT1. And prove something to the rest that pass it over for the new kid on the block. Snubbing there nose at it.:D


I feel the same way. A big reason why I realized it is time to get involved with LTXtech

[popo8]

I feel the same way. A big reason why I realized it is time to get involved with LTXtech

:D Thanku

LTXtech.com is my DRUG!

[94m6z28]

cant wait to see how it comes to gether

[shownomercy]

Saw this when searching for roll bar stuff this morning..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10463585/Driver-escapes-from-dramatic-land-speed-car-crash.html
http://static.pakwheels.com/2013/11/328192.jpg

Spend all the money you can on safety, he walked away with a deflated lung and large gashes to his leg.

[94m6z28]

hows this going

[popo8]

MeanTA ^^^

[MeanTA]

94m6z28, it hasn't gone anywhere as of late. I planned on jumping in during the summer. But other obligations came up. So I had to put my focus onto other things. With my wife working on her thesis, wife car getting totaled and buying a new car for her. Along with my having to spend 9,500 dollars on a insulin pump for my diabetes (because insurance viewed it as non required medical equipment. To support my illness)

But life is starting to mellow out. And will be better once wife graduates in a few weeks.

But I have been working/talking with a company to get some stuff for our cars on the market:)

[94m6z28]

oh what kinda stuff? I blew the dust of my girl last week and hope to have it running in a few weeks now that the snow is here haha

[popo8]

If i remember right he was looking at cf repops of stuff.

[MeanTA]

94m6z28 I've been working on some Carbon Fiber for the Firebird side of our cars. Along with some chassis components mainly geared towards boost applications. I have the parts in my possession. And doing some back and forth on the R&D. But I can't really divulge any real details until me and company are done. Sorry

[projectbirdshot]

Carbon fiber and boost? Two of my favorite things! Lets have a collective LTX get together at MeanTA's place and build this monster already. Then we'll get torches and pitchforks and go terrorize the local LSX guys

[popo8]

Carbon fiber and boost? Two of my favorite things! Lets have a collective LTX get together at MeanTA's place and build this monster already. Then we'll get torches and pitchforks and go terrorize the local LSX guys
Lol this guy is funny^^^^

Welcome man...

[dawdaw]

Any updates on this ?

[popo8]

People broke in his garage and stole one of his turbos...

[harner]

People broke in his garage and stole one of his turbos...

WTF is wrong with people??

[popo8]

http://ltxtech.com/forums/showthread.php?28164-Garage-got-broken-into-last-night!

[projectbirdshot]

Where is this project and where are our carbon fiber pieces!?

[383z]

I hope he was able to bounce back from them breaking into his garage.

[popo8]

MeanTA ^^^

[MeanTA]

Haven't recovered the parts stolen. But i did get a payout from insurance.

The car itself is just a shell sitting in my garage right now. I will get back to working on it after i get my Charger. Im saving extra money so i can knock down the loan on a 50K car right now. lol

[popo8]

:(