My Turbo Build

[Z28pr0jekt]

Engine:
Forged 355
Eagle 4340 crank (3.48'')
Eagle 4340 5.7'' rods
billet 4 bolt mains
SRP, forged pistons, 24cc dish
JE piston rings
Hot tanked
align bore
machine maincaps
bore/hone .30 over
neutral balance assembly
bearings( fed mog mains, m77 rod, duraband cam)
Canton oil pan
Comp Custom Grind Turbo Cam

Stock:
Heads
Intake

Fuel:
Racetronix/Siemens 63lb injectors
Fastbird's Custom Fuel Rails
Custom Double Pumper (dual 255s, -8AN feed, -6AN return)
Aeromotive Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator

Electronics/Spark:
Stock Opti for a few months, then LS1 coils and Megasquirt II
PCMforless initial tune then custom tune..
NGK TR6s
Stock PCM

Turbo:
e bay 12”x4”x36” air to air intercooler
Tial 50MM BOV
REALQUICK hot parts
Custom Log Manifolds
All mild steel (except the Vband clamps)
Pass. side log - 1.75" primaries and 2.5" log
Crossover: 2.5"
Driver's side log - 1.75" primaries and 3" log
Downpipe - 3"
Tial 44mm Wastegate
TC78 F1 Trim turbo

Note:
The motor with the turbo kit mocked up is not mine, it is the guy's who I bought the kit off of on Camaroz28.com

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[OutlawZ]

nice... so let me get this straight is it single or twin turbo???? Cause I see one turbo on one side but I don't see the other one and the exhaust goes backwards......

[Z28pr0jekt]

It is single, there is a crossover pipe that can't be seen in the pictures that merges the passenger side with the driver's

[krayzie7th]

very nice! cant wait to see it running and the numbers it puts down.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Im looking to have it done by March (hopefully). I'm expecting 500 on 10psi.. and close to 600-650 on 15psi.. the 15 will only be run on occasion, 10psi will most likely be my cruise around setting.

Because of my compression, I'm hoping that race gas won't at all be necessary even at 15psi. And also because my block is not o-ringed, I don't plan on going over 17-18 EVER.

I might end up keeping my stock block to build up to a 383, but with the amount of money I'm spending on the 355, I doubt I'll end up doing that

[Tyler Wheat]

That's going to be a pretty sick ride, man. Definately keep us posted.

[RealQuick]

That kit should make great power! My welds are 100% better now on my newer stuff (built that kit awhile ago). That same designed alreay made 574rwhp @ 11psi on a load bearing dyno by one of my other customers.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yea I think I'll be content with 600whp especially because with my compression, I should have room to grow.

Jon, I sent you a pm on cz28 asking you some questions(my s/n is Pyrodawg on there)

[phantomzer0]

Those are some really good progress pictures. Looks great!

[RealQuick]

Yea I think I'll be content with 600whp especially because with my compression, I should have room to grow.

Jon, I sent you a pm on cz28 asking you some questions(my s/n is Pyrodawg on there)

Shoot me an email: jon@lt1boost.net and I'll reply back to it with the details.

[Z28pr0jekt]

message sent sir, thanks!

[RealQuick]

I emailed ya back... hopefully you got what ya need!

[Z28pr0jekt]

Thanks Jon, updated the specs on the hotparts...

sent one more email for ya

[Toronto_LT1]

looking good!

[AChotrod]

Looks good! I knew I should have stayed out of this damn section. Now I want a turbo! LOL!

[Z28pr0jekt]

buy my hotparts kit... you can go turbo :-D

[MAKI]

Wow very nice work. My goal for my car is a 355 with a large turbo with a little nitrous.

Good luck. Keep us updated. :)

[dts300z]

Looking good man! That thing should be pretty peppy...

[Z28pr0jekt]

Looking good man! That thing should be pretty peppy...

Just now saw this comment...

yea hopefully everything comes together nicely in the february area... I just have to be on a strict budget with what I want to put on it as I'm not sure how much EFI is going to want for everything.. I'll have to give up a couple luxuries I wanted to add on for the build

I simply don't have the time with school to do the swap myself, especially since it's my DD so I'm going to have to borrow a car for a bit while it's all getting done.

[dts300z]

Just now saw this comment...

yea hopefully everything comes together nicely in the february area... I just have to be on a strict budget with what I want to put on it as I'm not sure how much EFI is going to want for everything.. I'll have to give up a couple luxuries I wanted to add on for the build

I simply don't have the time with school to do the swap myself, especially since it's my DD so I'm going to have to borrow a car for a bit while it's all getting done.

Good deal... I know how it is not having time or money for a build. lololl... Thats hopefully when I plan on getting the Z back on the road. Alright lemme know if you need a hand with anything.

[Z28pr0jekt]

sounds good, I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do with ignition/computer... prostkr seems to think I can switch to an LS1 pcm for under 500$ (I told him it's not gonna happen)

I wouldn't have a problem but because I have the 93 burning a chip and everything is just going to be too much of a pain in the ass for this build. I'd love to have a FAST system but I know that money will be far to tight to drop 2000+ on a computer.

That's why I was hoping you got your system sorted out in time so I can possibly integrate the same thing (for a price of course but I'd imagine it's far less than a FAST

[dts300z]

sounds good, I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do with ignition/computer... prostkr seems to think I can switch to an LS1 pcm for under 500$ (I told him it's not gonna happen)

I wouldn't have a problem but because I have the 93 burning a chip and everything is just going to be too much of a pain in the ass for this build. I'd love to have a FAST system but I know that money will be far to tight to drop 2000+ on a computer.

That's why I was hoping you got your system sorted out in time so I can possibly integrate the same thing (for a price of course but I'd imagine it's far less than a FAST

10-4, I should be up and running by the end of Feb. so I think that would work out. It will be a helluva lot cheaper too. I still need to find someone that will be able to cut several out on an EDM at a good bulk rate so they can be nice and cheap. I'm trying to work out a COP setup to work with it aswell for alot cleaner intall.

[Divine02]

Man you have to tell me who makes that intake. I'm trying to do the exact same thing on my engine and I can't find a direct bolt on intake. I'm hoping I can find one like you have.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Man you have to tell me who makes that intake. I'm trying to do the exact same thing on my engine and I can't find a direct bolt on intake. I'm hoping I can find one like you have.

if you read my post it says "The motor with the turbo kit mocked up is not mine, it is the guy's who I bought the kit off of on Camaroz28.com"

It is just a simple single plane setup though, nothing special

[Fire67]

Man you have to tell me who makes that intake. I'm trying to do the exact same thing on my engine and I can't find a direct bolt on intake. I'm hoping I can find one like you have.

There are no direct bolt on single plain intakes available. You'll have to modify one to bolt up. The Victor EFI manifold for a small block chevy is popular as it comes with injector pockets drilled and Edelbrock sells bolt on rails for it.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well I had to switch ways on what turbo I wanted to go with...

I was originally going to be getting a PT74GTS ball bearing turbo from a friend but he decided he likes it on his regal more than he thought he would.

So then I noticed that Borg Warner S400 turbos can be converted to T4 flanges for a small fee so I was going to get an S400-75. But after talking to Jon, I'm informed that the turbo itself is physically too large to fit with the way my kit is setup.

SO.. haha I have decided to go with the TC78 F1 trim. I'm awaiting Jon's response as to if it will fit because his kit is rated up to a 76 so if he says no I will drop down to the TC76 F1 trim... they are the same price so going a bit larger wasn't anymore expensive.

I'm not exactly a turbonetics guy (I much more prefer the Precision line but they are a good $3-500 more expensive) but I do know some people with them and I was assured by forcedinductions.com that they are quality pieces.

I was also told that the TCs are basically the same turbo as the HTQ pieces from Precision.

So upon Jon's response and my check that is supposed to clear tomorrow, by the end of the week I should have the turbo and blanket ordered ;)


p.s. we should get ForcedInductions.com as a sponsor lol

[Fastbird]

Right on man! Race you to the finish!

[Z28pr0jekt]

Right on man! Race you to the finish!

haha sounds good... should be a close race to that :-D

[RealQuick]

TC78 for the win!

[KissMyWhtSS]

Looks like you've got a good little project going? ;)

Who's SS in the background? :)

[ksmyss]

Well I had to switch ways on what turbo I wanted to go with...

I was originally going to be getting a PT74GTS ball bearing turbo from a friend but he decided he likes it on his regal more than he thought he would.

So then I noticed that Borg Warner S400 turbos can be converted to T4 flanges for a small fee so I was going to get an S400-75. But after talking to Jon, I'm informed that the turbo itself is physically too large to fit with the way my kit is setup.

SO.. haha I have decided to go with the TC78 F1 trim. I'm awaiting Jon's response as to if it will fit because his kit is rated up to a 76 so if he says no I will drop down to the TC76 F1 trim... they are the same price so going a bit larger wasn't anymore expensive.

I'm not exactly a turbonetics guy (I much more prefer the Precision line but they are a good $3-500 more expensive) but I do know some people with them and I was assured by forcedinductions.com that they are quality pieces.

I was also told that the TCs are basically the same turbo as the HTQ pieces from Precision.

So upon Jon's response and my check that is supposed to clear tomorrow, by the end of the week I should have the turbo and blanket ordered ;)


p.s. we should get ForcedInductions.com as a sponsor lolwe are getting ready to start mocking up an s400 in my buddies car. he got the turbo the other day and it is huge!

[Z28pr0jekt]

Looks like you've got a good little project going? ;)

Who's SS in the background? :)

The SS is from the guy that I bought the shortblock off of

[Z28pr0jekt]

Check cleared today.. so when I'm done with class turbo/blanket will be ordered ;)

[KissMyWhtSS]

The SS is from the guy that I bought the shortblock off of
Mmm. I want me a Forged 355 SS ;)

[Z28pr0jekt]

Mmm. I want me a Forged 355 SS ;)

haha I got an amazing deal on this shortblock and a week later he imed me and was kidding around and said "hey man can I get that motor back, I just priced out buying a new one with those same parts and it's going to cost a lot"

I told him, "why do you think I told you I'd buy it within 10 minutes of you posting the sale thread"

[KissMyWhtSS]

I told him, "why do you think I told you I'd buy it within 10 minutes of you posting the sale thread"nicely done then. School is keeping me from dumping the $$$ into mine right now.

[Z28pr0jekt]

That's understandable, school is certainly not helping me much right now haha

[Z28pr0jekt]

:devil: Turbo and Blanket just ordered... thanks to FI.com

We really gotta get them to get on here haha

[Z28pr0jekt]

McLeod Twin Disk with Steel Flywheel and Adjustable Master Cylinder ordered just now...
quoted 2-3 weeks before it is shipped

[KissMyWhtSS]

Hehe you're on a roll today. Perhaps I should hold on to your credit card till you settle down. ;)

[Z28pr0jekt]

Hehe you're on a roll today. Perhaps I should hold on to your credit card till you settle down. ;)

Lol perhaps I should cut it up before I get in trouble haha

waiting on my builder to give me an estimate of the work before I buy the fuel system and other odds and ends I will need... If his quote is too much, my buddy will do it for me for cheaper and I know he does good work.

I simply don't have the time with law school or even all the tools to do this myself.

[AChotrod]

I wish I had the time to do alot of things these days!!!
And Damn this thread it keeps giving me bad ideas......well they are good ideas just bad for my bank account!!!!!lol

[Z28pr0jekt]

I wish I had the time to do alot of things these days!!!
And Damn this thread it keeps giving me bad ideas......well they are good ideas just bad for my bank account!!!!!lol


Haha shoulda jumped on the turbo kit I had for sale a while ago... was cheap and built/warrantied by Jon and woulda got 500-600whp easy, especially with your LE setup

[Z28pr0jekt]

uhm... eboost2 payed for :-D

[dts300z]

Damn man you'll be up and running before me... lol

[Z28pr0jekt]

haha possibly, clutch will take 2-3 weeks to get in so that's gonna hold me up... looks like im going to be going with stock pcm setup with a chip for the time being

[dts300z]

I still have to build a tranny and a engine and I'm waiting for the trigger wheel still... it might be a couple months for me.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I still have to build a tranny and a engine and I'm waiting for the trigger wheel still... it might be a couple months for me.

That's no good, my tranny is good to go except it will be getting a new 2nd gear, only thing not upgraded in it are the gears themselves and the input/output shafts

[Z28pr0jekt]

Ordered my unbalanced engineering rag joint eliminator kit and innovative wiring cable kit

[Fastbird]

Ordered my unbalanced engineering rag joint eliminator kit and innovative wiring cable kit

I need both of those too.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I need both of those too.

http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Camaro/Rag_Joint/
http://www.innovativewiring.com/ChevyProductPage2/ChevyCarsPage2/ChevyCamaroPage.htm#

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well fastbird, you have some time to catch up, as stated my clutch will be a couple weeks, and I just talked to FI today because I noticed my card hadn't been charged.

They said they don't like to charge the customer until the turbo company charges them. (very standup company/ethics/policy IMHO) My turbo housing/cover is on backorder from turbonetics and they will supposedly be getting more by the end of the month.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Oh quick question.... my block is bored 4.030... should I get my headgaskets 4.040 or 4.060?

[Divine02]

I had to look again but I thought you were working on a bad ass turbo set up. Hows that coming along?

[Z28pr0jekt]

I had to look again but I thought you were working on a bad ass turbo set up. Hows that coming along?

It's coming, I have a couple parts that are on backorder that I have to wait for... I don't even know an expected time for it to be together though

[Z28pr0jekt]

Just placed a nice sized order with Summit
Aeromotive Boost Referenced AFPR
Aeromotive Mechanical Fuel Pressure Gauge that screws directly into the regulator
ARP Undercut Head Studs
Felpro Intake Manifold Gaskets
Felpro 1074 Head Gaskets
Autolite 104 plugs
Melling High Pressure Oil Pump/Canton Racing Pickup/Melling Intermediate Shaft


oh and my unbalanced engineering rag joint eliminator came in today... looks great, a HELL of a lot smaller than I thought

[Z28pr0jekt]

gad dang it I forgot to order the damn motor mounts with all this lol

[Divine02]

That is a nice size order. A bunch of little parts with a big price tag. Ain't that the way it goes. I have a lot of the same parts for mine. I believe I'm going to talk to realquick (Jon I think his name is) and ask him about custom turbo hot parts. I've removed enough stuff from my car that I really want a simple laid out kit where the headers just come straight forward, down, and together for a single turbo in front of the where the water pump use to be.

[Z28pr0jekt]

just send him pics with how much room you have and such and I'm sure he can make it

[Divine02]

Now i'm just getting all excited thinking about turbos again.:drool:

[Z28pr0jekt]

The delivery peoples were good to me today..
thanks UPS and USPS and of course Summit racing, unbalanced engineering, and Roadie on cz28.com

Unbalanced Engineering Rag Joint Eliminator
EBoost2 EBC
Melling High Pressure Oil Pump
Felpro 1074 Headgaskets
Felpro Intake Manifold Gaskets
Aeromotive AFPR
Aeromotive FP Gauge
Autolite 104s

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Still waiting on:
ARP headstuds (coming from OH plant instead of the GA plant like the other parts)
Canton Racing Oil Pickup (backordered)
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)
McLeod Twin Disk (backordered)
TC78 and blanket (backordered, payment went through today so I'll be expecting it in a week or so)
Some Misc. Sensors and hoses from Whitey (should be here next week)


Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well got some more parts in today...
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My innovative wiring kit, arp headstuds, misc sensors and hoses, and taylor ground strap.
Thanks again to Summit, innovative, and Whitey :D

Still waiting on:
Canton Racing Oil Pickup (backordered)
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)
McLeod Twin Disk (backordered)
TC78 and blanket

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate

[RealQuick]

It's like xmas everyday for you!

[Z28pr0jekt]

lol it is

[Z28pr0jekt]

Holy fucking shit... pardon my language...

Just got an email from UPS in relation to my order with speed inc., where I order my Mcleod Twin Disk from

Weight: 63.00 Lbs

Wow that's a heavy fugger lol

[1hottcamaro]

Awesome Project you got going on!! cant wait to see when its done what it puts down!!

[Fire67]

Holy fucking shit... pardon my language...

Just got an email from UPS in relation to my order with speed inc., where I order my Mcleod Twin Disk from

Weight: 63.00 Lbs

Wow that's a heavy fugger lol

No joke, them twin disc setups are friggin heavy!!!!!

[94m6z28]

what are you planning on getting out of this build?

## wise

[Z28pr0jekt]

500whp on low boost, 600whp on high

nothing crazy as it will still be stock headed/intake

on pump gas btw

when it comes time to have ported heads/intake i'd imagine 550-580whp low boost/650-700 high boost

low boost = 10-12 psi
high boost =15-17 psi

[Z28pr0jekt]

Turbo Blanket came in today

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Still waiting on:
Canton Racing Oil Pickup (backordered)
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)
McLeod Twin Disk (Scheduled to be here on Monday)
TC78 (Shipped out from Turbonetics on Tuesday, I should have it tomorrow or monday)

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate

[Fastbird]

Turbo Blanket came in today

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Still waiting on:
Canton Racing Oil Pickup (backordered)
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)
McLeod Twin Disk (Scheduled to be here on Monday)
TC78 (Shipped out from Turbonetics on Tuesday, I should have it tomorrow or monday)

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate


Just curious, but were you still going to do a set of rails from me?? I can't remember if you were sticking with the 93 setup or going to a 94+ Front crossover setup.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Just curious, but were you still going to do a set of rails from me?? I can't remember if you were sticking with the 93 setup or going to a 94+ Front crossover setup.


I don't have a 94+ intake and haven't really looked for one to be honest...

To ask you though... how would I be able to go about hooking up the aeromotive regulator to my stock rails?

I know basically how to do it with your setup and if I find a 94+ for a good price I will go with your rails. Guess I'll start looking

[Z28pr0jekt]

New Package today :)
Thanks SpeedInc!
Sorry for the blurriness my camera is on the fritz
So here is my ~$1300 clutch/flywheel/master cyl

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Still waiting on:
Canton Racing Oil Pickup (backordered)
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)
TC78 (Shipped out from Turbonetics on Tuesday, I should have it tomorrow)

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate

[Fastbird]

I don't have a 94+ intake and haven't really looked for one to be honest...

To ask you though... how would I be able to go about hooking up the aeromotive regulator to my stock rails?

I know basically how to do it with your setup and if I find a 94+ for a good price I will go with your rails. Guess I'll start looking

I don't know if you could hook up the Aeromotive to your rails. I presume you could if you could find an adapter to hook up to the stock rail fittings and kind of plumb the aeromotive inbetween the lines/rails. Of course, you could just get a stock styled aeromotive if you're going that route. Fits right into the stock rails.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I don't know if you could hook up the Aeromotive to your rails. I presume you could if you could find an adapter to hook up to the stock rail fittings and kind of plumb the aeromotive inbetween the lines/rails. Of course, you could just get a stock styled aeromotive if you're going that route. Fits right into the stock rails.

Yuck I guess I bit myself in the ass with that one... I really like this regulator though... my buddy uses it on his regal and it's very simple and well designed... maybe I will HAVE to get your rails now... looks like I have to find a 94+ manifold for a good price

[Z28pr0jekt]

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=AEI-13107&view=1&N=700+150+400300+4294925239+4294839053+4294880914+ 4294908395+4294908216+4294908198+

I found that one, but it is for 94+ rails grr

[Fastbird]

Well, like I said, I know they make adapters and such. You're planning on running -AN lines from the pumps and ditching the stockers right?? If that's the case, run the -AN's to a y block to a single into the stock rail inlet via adapter, out with an -AN from the stock rail outlet via adapter into the Aeromotive. Should be readily doable.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well, like I said, I know they make adapters and such. You're planning on running -AN lines from the pumps and ditching the stockers right?? If that's the case, run the -AN's to a y block to a single into the stock rail inlet via adapter, out with an -AN from the stock rail outlet via adapter into the Aeromotive. Should be readily doable.


I was actually hoping I could keep the stock lines because from what ive hear people are 800whp with stock lines.. so Idk... it all comes down to $$ right now... I have to get this done this semester no ifs ands or buts

[Fire67]

I too heard of people getting high HP numbers and rocking the stock lines. Heard the same from people using dual Walbro pumps. I didnt want to risk it with the lines so I sumped the stock tank, ran all braided line, and installed 2 Walbro inline pumps. No feakin dice. Had to sell the basically brand new pumps, buy more fittings and braided line, and get a big single pump. I ended up with an Aeromotive Eliminator.

I guess its because of the fuel consumption requirements of FI motors. If you need 85# or bigger injectors, I wouldnt risk it with the stock lines and dual pumps. FWIW, and IIRC, the 'bolt-in' Aeromotive kit that uses stock lines and an external A1000 pump is advertised to only 700hp N/A.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I too heard of people getting high HP numbers and rocking the stock lines. Heard the same from people using dual Walbro pumps. I didnt want to risk it with the lines so I sumped the stock tank, ran all braided line, and installed 2 Walbro inline pumps. No feakin dice. Had to sell the basically brand new pumps, buy more fittings and braided line, and get a big single pump. I ended up with an Aeromotive Eliminator.

I guess its because of the fuel consumption requirements of FI motors. If you need 85# or bigger injectors, I wouldnt risk it with the stock lines and dual pumps. FWIW, and IIRC, the 'bolt-in' Aeromotive kit that uses stock lines and an external A1000 pump is advertised to only 700hp N/A.

Dual walbros will hold well over 600whp easy... my buddy ran out of fuel on a 74mm turbo with a V6 at 550whp on a single walbro. I will not do an external pump no matter what.

I don't/wont need 85# anyways, my 60#'s will work out fine. I would never run enough boost on this motor to need 85#'s or more. I'm trying to work out something with fastbird at the moment for a custom double pumper. Might end up with AN lines from front to back even though, as we have discussed, it is most definitely overkill for my setup

oh an p.s. turbo wont be here til friday... not today like it was supposed to be :(

[BLOWNDFIZ]

FWIW, and IIRC, the 'bolt-in' Aeromotive kit that uses stock lines and an external A1000 pump is advertised to only 700hp N/A.

I tried this "kit" and I will not recommend it. I know Fire67 is not saying to use it, but for what it's worth, I tried and it "sucks" litterally. I'm not saying Aeromotive is bad, but this kit is poorly designed. Basically it uses a small rubber hose in place of the stock pick-up and the A1000 is forced to suck the fuel from the bottom of the tank, over the top and down into the pump. This caused serious cavitation and fuel heating for me and many times the car would not start because of vapor lock after driving it for a while.

I ended up buying a new tank and building a completely custom fuel set-up that is not a sump (so it allows me to run a stock type exhaust system), but acts like a sump and works just as well. Never have had a cavitation or heating problem since. I still use the A1000 and will recommend it to anyone.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I tried this "kit" and I will not recommend it. I know Fire67 is not saying to use it, but for what it's worth, I tried and it "sucks" litterally. I'm not saying Aeromotive is bad, but this kit is poorly designed. Basically it uses a small rubber hose in place of the stock pick-up and the A1000 is forced to suck the fuel from the bottom of the tank, over the top and down into the pump. This caused serious cavitation and fuel heating for me and many times the car would not start because of vapor lock after driving it for a while.

I ended up buying a new tank and building a completely custom fuel set-up that is not a sump (so it allows me to run a stock type exhaust system), but acts like a sump and works just as well. Never have had a cavitation or heating problem since. I still use the A1000 and will recommend it to anyone.

I understand the idea, but I will be going with a dual intank setup regardless of what lines I go with. I will have enough fuel to go with my boost :devil:

[Biggin'89]

why is your oil pump shaft on back order? any parts store should be able to get one for you same or next day. Hell i know we keep one on our shelf.

[Z28pr0jekt]

why is your oil pump shaft on back order? any parts store should be able to get one for you same or next day. Hell i know we keep one on our shelf.

Idk ask summit lol...

[Z28pr0jekt]

Just placed another order with Speed Inc. (Thanks again Larry for setting up that invoice)

MrGasket LT1 HEADER GASKETS
AEM WIDEBAND GAUGE AND SENSOR
Prothane Polyurethane Motor Mounts

Still waiting on:
Canton Racing Oil Pickup (Shipped out yesterday!)
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)
TC78 (Shipped out from Turbonetics on Tuesday, I should have it tomorrow (for real this time haha))

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate

[Z28pr0jekt]

Shipped out my Fuel Rails to Fastbird today to be modified for AN fittings.

Turbo also came in today... it's hard to believe with something so compact, it is rated to 1100hp

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/turbo001.jpg?t=1233942707
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/turbo006.jpg?t=1233942711


Still waiting on:
MrGasket Header Gaskets
AEM Wideband
Prothane Polyurethane Motor Mounts
Canton Racing Oil Pickup (Should be here later today)
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate

[Fastbird]

Yup....you'll be running before me.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yup....you'll be running before me.

Haha don't worry, you can always sabotage me and have "delays" with modding the rails lol

[Z28pr0jekt]

Pickup came in
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts019.jpg?t=1233964179
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts020.jpg?t=1233964179



Still waiting on:
MrGasket Header Gaskets
AEM Wideband
Prothane Polyurethane Motor Mounts
Melling Intermediate Oil Pump Shaft (backordered)

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Maybe a wastegate

[uncool]

WOW,

I can't belive they stufed a 78mm inducer wheel in a T series frame.
Good luck with the TN POS you bought. They can't size a charger for shit as far as I an concerned.

They kept telling me my tunning was all wrong for my truck and that I needed to go to a specific tunner. I sent them pages of data logs and they still said that I was wrong. 52 psi of boost with 100+psi of drive pressure.

Not to side track or anything. Your build looks awsome. Good luck with it all. Can't wait for some #'s and times.

[Z28pr0jekt]

WOW,

I can't belive they stufed a 78mm inducer wheel in a T series frame.
Good luck with the TN POS you bought. They can't size a charger for shit as far as I an concerned.

They kept telling me my tunning was all wrong for my truck and that I needed to go to a specific tunner. I sent them pages of data logs and they still said that I was wrong. 52 psi of boost with 100+psi of drive pressure.

Not to side track or anything. Your build looks awsome. Good luck with it all. Can't wait for some #'s and times.

it's not really a t series frame, it's a 60 series frame.

I'm sure the turbo is a quality piece... and I didn't and wouldn't rely on the company itself to pick out my turbo for me, I knew what I wanted and what makes power on these cars and with some help from Jon, I figured out what would fit with how my kit is set up.

In many instances you're better of researching on your own to find out what turbo works..

and btw if you were getting too much boost, something was fucked up with your wastegate, that has nothing to do with the turbo

[Z28pr0jekt]

Small update:
Got my backordered melling intermediate oil pump shaft from summit today:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts021.jpg?t=1234470514
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts022.jpg?t=1234470514
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts023.jpg?t=1234470515


Still waiting on:
MrGasket Header Gaskets
AEM Wideband
Prothane Polyurethane Motor Mounts

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Intercooler Piping
Maybe a wastegate

[Z28pr0jekt]

Nother order came in thanks to Speed Inc.

AEM Wideband and Mr Gasket ultra-seal header gaskets
The motor mounts shipped separate and are sitting at my apt's main office, I'm just too lazy to go get them at the moment.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts024.jpg?t=1234904616
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts029.jpg?t=1234904620
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts025.jpg?t=1234904617
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts028.jpg?t=1234904619


Still waiting on:
Prothane Polyurethane Motor Mounts

Still need to order:
FUEL PUMPS! lol
Intercooler Piping
Maybe a wastegate

[Z28pr0jekt]

Picked up the urethane motor mounts today, thanks again speed inc./ws6store.
Also got some unmolested stock valve covers from James Montigny today.. exactly as advertised, didn't take pics as they're just stockers

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts030.jpg?t=1234989659
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts031.jpg?t=1234989659




Still need to order/do:
Fuel Pumps/Lines
Intercooler Piping
Custom Grind Cam
Sandblast/powdercoat intake manifold
Get Modified Fuel Rails from Fastbird
Maybe a wastegate

[Z28pr0jekt]

Just went ahead and spoke with comp cams about a custom grind... great prices...

I ordered a custom grind 22X/22X .5XX/.5XX on a 11X +2 lol I'm being sneaky :-P

[Fastbird]

Single pattern cam huh??? Interesting that's what they recommended. I've got my own theory as to a good turbo cam but if one thing is a certain, with FI pretty much anything works.

Going to try to bust out your rails tonight man.

[dsmawd350]

im runing a 248/248 solid roller in my turbo motor

[Z28pr0jekt]

Single pattern cam huh??? Interesting that's what they recommended. I've got my own theory as to a good turbo cam but if one thing is a certain, with FI pretty much anything works.

Going to try to bust out your rails tonight man.

Yea it shouldn't be too bad I woulda thought a more split with a larger exhaust duration like a 220/226 or 220/228 but hey who am I to argue, it's better than a stock cam and I will be on stock heads when this first gets together, worst comes to worst I get new heads and a bigger grind and sell this one.

pm sent

[Z28pr0jekt]

im runing a 248/248 solid roller in my turbo motor
1. you have a solid roller lol
2. your turbo is massive compared to mine
3. you have a 383
4. you have ported aftermarket heads

1. Mine is a simple hydraulic roller
2. My turbo will spool like a mofo
3. Basic 355
4. Stock UNPORTED heads lol

So yea, you can use something that big, on my car it would be a bitch

Also remember mine is a literally every day, daily driver

[Divine02]

I admire the daily driver vehicles. I hate the idea of a full blown race car.

[Fastbird]

I admire the daily driver vehicles. I hate the idea of a full blown race car.

Amen to that!

[Z28pr0jekt]

I admire the daily driver vehicles. I hate the idea of a full blown race car.

I have a very loose definition of a DD lol. My a/c already doesn't work and it's being deleted anyways (And I live in FL most of the time lol), my abs doesn't work and is also being deleted.

I'm sure I'll do some weight reduction eventually but I still want the car to be comfortable somewhat.

I'm sure even with how my car is now, many people would not want to DD it.. no a/c cc306 with M6 with 2.73s = surge like a mofo in 1st and second gear under 2500 rpms, rich as all hell tune = 10mpg city lol... I'm sure others have worse but lets say the car isn't easy to DD.

I personally just don't care, I love the car and regardless if I have the money for a new one I would not sell this one unless something tragic in my family happened and I absolutely needed the money to help out.

[Divine02]

The point is that you can drive it around town wherever you wanna go without worrying if you have enough 105+ octane or if the exhaust is gonna get you in trouble. Make it reliable and drive it to work every once in a while. Take it to a cruise. Thats what I think of when I think daily driver. Know what I mean Vern?

[Z28pr0jekt]

The point is that you can drive it around town wherever you wanna go without worrying if you have enough 105+ octane or if the exhaust is gonna get you in trouble. Make it reliable and drive it to work every once in a while. Take it to a cruise. Thats what I think of when I think daily driver. Know what I mean Vern?

Oh for sure... Idk how it's going to do at 17psi on 93 because the compression is higher than I wanted (I opted for felpro 1074s which are only .039" as opposed to some of the other HG's I was looking at that were .059-.072") effectively leaving me with about a 9.1:1 ratio.

When I go to aftermarket casting heads I will be able to get it down to the 8.0-8.5:1 area which I should be able to run 93 alllll day on whatever boost level I have it at.

As for the exhaust... uhm lol that might still get me in trouble... once again my loose definition of DD lol

[94m6z28]

im gunan try takin mine to work when its done haha. when you planning to have the build done?

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well maybe by the end of march if money works out, if it doesn't it will be done in august/september with some better goodies

[Fastbird]

Ryan, rails are done and coming back to you tomorrow!

[Z28pr0jekt]

Ryan, rails are done and coming back to you tomorrow!
Awesome! sounds good, I appreciate the work Sean, especially since I know you've been so busy lately!

[Divine02]

Oh for sure... Idk how it's going to do at 17psi on 93 because the compression is higher than I wanted (I opted for felpro 1074s which are only .039" as opposed to some of the other HG's I was looking at that were .059-.072") effectively leaving me with about a 9.1:1 ratio.

When I go to aftermarket casting heads I will be able to get it down to the 8.0-8.5:1 area which I should be able to run 93 alllll day on whatever boost level I have it at.

As for the exhaust... uhm lol that might still get me in trouble... once again my loose definition of DD lol
LOL I don't think anybody who owns an f-body has an exhaust system that wouldn't get them in trouble. Mine is lucky to have exhaust past the transmission most of the time.

[Fire67]

LOL I don't think anybody who owns an f-body has an exhaust system that wouldn't get them in trouble. Mine is lucky to have exhaust past the transmission most of the time.

Mine has exhaust past the transmission... Can't say the same in reference to the rear end though :whistle:

[Z28pr0jekt]

Mine has exhaust past the transmission... Can't say the same in reference to the rear end though :whistle:

Haha that might be how mine ends up... I was going to mate it all to my LM but Alvin informed me it might be a bit restrictive as the LM tapers down to 2 and 3/4 " when it splits over the axle.. so I'm probably going to dump it right before the rear

[Fire67]

I cut the merge off of my Pacesetter y-pipe and welded on a 4" merge... Then it goes through a short section of 4" pipe, into a 4" dynomax bullet, and then a turndown just before the rear end. Its loud no matter what I do. If I mash the pedal it will deafen people.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I cut the merge off of my Pacesetter y-pipe and welded on a 4" merge... Then it goes through a short section of 4" pipe, into a 4" dynomax bullet, and then a turndown just before the rear end. Its loud no matter what I do. If I mash the pedal it will deafen people.

I was honestly thinking exactly the same thing to do with my pacesetter ypipe

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yayyy more presents today.. it took compcams less than a week to take my order, make a custom grind, and get the cam to me :) +34873462376523 for them lol

Oh and +78678523175865987 for Fastbird, got the modified fuel rails in the mail today for -8AN lines

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts032.jpg?t=1235508222
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/moreparts035.jpg?t=1235508225
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Don't mind the rails kinda dirty, I opted for fastbird not to have them powdercoated... but I'm going to clean them up somehow.. I was going to get them black but since my manifold will be black, it might be a bit much... SO I might just have them sandblasted to clean them up when I bring in my manifold


Still need to order/do:
Fuel Pumps/Lines/Fittings
Intercooler Piping
Sandblast/powdercoat intake manifold
Maybe a wastegate

[Fire67]

Polish the rails... Sandblasting is gonna make them appear really dull.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Polish the rails... Sandblasting is gonna make them appear really dull.
Meh, I'll figure something out I'm sure the powdercoating place can polish too so they'll have something done to them haha

[Fire67]

That works... Those rails will polish up easily with some neverdull and less than an hour of your time though. May be cheaper than paying the powder coating place to do it.

[Z28pr0jekt]

That works... Those rails will polish up easily with some neverdull and less than an hour of your time though. May be cheaper than paying the powder coating place to do it.

Using what to polish? Just the neverdull and a cloth?

They need to be cleaned some way because somehow they have like a rust stain on them

[Fire67]

I see that, and trust me... Neverdull will remove that too. The only thing the neverdull wont help with is any scratches you may have on there. In that case, you'll need to use some fine grit sand paper. Start with maybe 320ish and finish with at least a 6xx grit before going to town with the neverdull.

The rails have a clear coat of some sort on them from the factory, its what makes them appear dull right now. The never dull will eat through the clear in no time with some firm pressure and elbow grease.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I see that, and trust me... Neverdull will remove that too. The only thing the neverdull wont help with is any scratches you may have on there. In that case, you'll need to use some fine grit sand paper. Start with maybe 320ish and finish with at least a 6xx grit before going to town with the neverdull.

The rails have a clear coat of some sort on them from the factory, its what makes them appear dull right now. The never dull will eat through the clear in no time with some firm pressure and elbow grease.

Well thank you very much for the tips sir, I appreciate it and will get to doing that next weekend probably :)

[ksmyss]

neverdull will polish them up. you could also hit them with steelwool maybe 000 then go to 0000 then neverdull. they will look like chrome in no time. don't pay someone what you can do in 30 minutes or so.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yea I'm a lazy mofo, thanks for the tips guys :)

[Fire67]

So did your lazy ass get around to doing anything with the rails?

[Z28pr0jekt]

LOL not yet.. just been busy with school and my gf is visiting me for a week

[Fire67]

Damn, GF in town, no work getting done

[Z28pr0jekt]

Damn, GF in town, no work getting done
Exactly haha

[Fastbird]

Damn, GF in town, no work getting done

Well.....I'm sure SOME work will be getting done. :secret:

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well.....I'm sure SOME work will be getting done. :secret:
LOL agreed, just no work to the car. Having trouble even making it to class this week lol

[Fire67]

Good job guy, your excuse is acceptable

[RealQuick]

hurry up already... :D

[Z28pr0jekt]

hurry up already... :D

LOL should go together at the end of this month, beginning of next... it'll be a while before I get dyno numbers unless I just get a dyno day around here.. and track numbers will only be for MPH because it'll be 6 months or so before I can afford a real rear to put in the thing

I also gotta do some porting/cleaning up to those welds on the header primaries lol but that is to be expected with one of your first kits ever. And I know your welds have gotten 3294862398672786 times better over the years and I make sure to tell everyone that who sees my kit haha. I'm more worried more about function over looks ;)


This build may also end up being a testament to Alvin @ pcmforless' skills in a mail order...

I'm getting a reflash through him... obviously I'm probably going to tweak it some here and there because lets be honest, you can only get so close (especially with a custom build like this) with a mail order.

[Z28pr0jekt]

And speaking of which... just ordered my tune lol

[Fastbird]

I was gonna say, at this rate you're going to rival me for expedience with a build!

[Z28pr0jekt]

I was gonna say, at this rate you're going to rival me for expedience with a build!

Haha I'm trying I'm trying... Dan is finishing up his LT1 300zx and I may stop over there this week to see how the whole megasquirt works on it

I'm just excited :)

[Fire67]

Get it done!
What parts are you still waiting for?

[Z28pr0jekt]

Get it done!
What parts are you still waiting for?

Need to order my fuel pumps still, get this intake cleaned up (been slacking with that), and the fuel lines/ic piping.... the ic piping will be figured out as the build is occurring because there is a local guy with a TT C5 Z06 that has a lot of left over stuff I'm going to grab off of him.

The pumps, I just need to do a little research first.

[Z28pr0jekt]

So I'm starting to think I got plugs that aren't going to be cold enough, I bought autolite 104s... Should I get some TR6s or Autolite 103s instead?

[Fastbird]

Go with the 103's or TR6's.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Go with the 103's or TR6's.

Will do, thanks

[dts300z]

I'm trying out the TR6s. HURRY UP!!! lol.

[RealQuick]

LOL should go together at the end of this month, beginning of next... it'll be a while before I get dyno numbers unless I just get a dyno day around here.. and track numbers will only be for MPH because it'll be 6 months or so before I can afford a real rear to put in the thing

I also gotta do some porting/cleaning up to those welds on the header primaries lol but that is to be expected with one of your first kits ever. And I know your welds have gotten 3294862398672786 times better over the years and I make sure to tell everyone that who sees my kit haha. I'm more worried more about function over looks ;)


This build may also end up being a testament to Alvin @ pcmforless' skills in a mail order...

I'm getting a reflash through him... obviously I'm probably going to tweak it some here and there because lets be honest, you can only get so close (especially with a custom build like this) with a mail order.

Yeah, my welds have gotten 1000 times better. Are you keeping the parts wrapped like Dave had them?

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yeah, my welds have gotten 1000 times better. Are you keeping the parts wrapped like Dave had them?

Unfortunately only partly... I had my buddy take off the wrap on the two manifolds, but I left it on the crossover and downpipe.

When I received the kit it was completely wrapped like you mentioned... and I mocked it up in my room. Well I use to be a roofer and I have dealt with fiberglass before so I didn't think anything of it.

Well I got the wrap all over my forearms and lower stomach and, naturally, it started itching. I took a shower and it didn't seem to go away... I just figured I would have to deal with it for a couple days. A week went by and it was only getting worse and making it very uncomfortable to sleep or pay attention in classes. I finally went to an urgent care and for the first time in my life, I had an allergic reaction to something. They gave me a prescription cream and put me on steroids for a week. I got it on me again about 2 months ago but luckily I had some of the prescription cream left.

I am HIGHLY allergic to the stuff for some reason, which I find very odd because when I roofed, I literally carried fiberglass insulation every single day and it never lasted more than a couple days/showers. So I decided to take it off the manifolds because if I ever have to change the plugs, I would never be able to get around the wrap.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Just ordered some NGK TR6s

Also just ordered my two Walbro GSS340s (255lph)

Still need to order/do:
Fuel Lines/Fittings
Intercooler Piping
Sandblast/powdercoat intake manifold
Maybe a wastegate

[Fire67]

Sounds to me like you need to start putting the car together. Those parts will be figured out and purchased quickly after you get started on the car.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Sounds to me like you need to start putting the car together. Those parts will be figured out and purchased quickly after you get started on the car.

End of the month... right now it's my only way to get to class

[Z28pr0jekt]

Wow just called a dealership for reference on an ac delete pulley... man those have gone up in price... $94.15

edit: Just called Sam Taylor where Jason Cromer works and got quoted $59.05 haha rip off dealerships in my city

[ScrapSilicon]

Wow just called a dealership for reference on an ac delete pulley... man those have gone up in price... $94.15

edit: Just called Sam Taylor where Jason Cromer works and got quoted $59.05 haha rip off dealerships in my city dang you saying I could of asked for more :doh: j/k

[Z28pr0jekt]

dang you saying I could of asked for more :doh: j/k

Haha, I just wanted a reference on what they were straight from GM

[Fire67]

I was disappointed recently to find out the Jason Cromer no longer has the best deal on opti sparks... Got beat by summit by about $60

[Fastbird]

I was disappointed recently to find out the Jason Cromer no longer has the best deal on opti sparks... Got beat by summit by about $60

On a GM unit, or an aftermarket piece? How much were the opti's from Jason Cromer, for reference purposes (work at an AutoZone, discourage anyone from purchasing a new opti in two pieces (housing and cap/rotor kit) and putting it together)???

[Fire67]

I'll have to look on another site to see what he posted as the price paid... I just remember that it was over Summits price for the first time I ever heard of. And it was a GM opti from a GM dealership.. Jason used to have unbeatable prices on them, not anymore I guess.

[Fire67]

Here's the link to the other site: http://mafia-motorsports.com/forums/gm_tech/15118-where_have_you_found_the_best-3.html

On the 3rd page, the guy detailed prices for them.

[Fastbird]

WOW. I just gave a referral for a LT1 Corvette guy that came into Autozone to Jason. Bummer.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Got my fuel pumps and spark plugs from speed inc.

great prices btw!!

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Still need to order/do:
Fuel lines/fittings (in the mail, thanks Swingrrrr!!!)
Misc. fittings/gaskets
Intercooler Piping
Sandblast/powdercoat intake manifold
Maybe a wastegate

[Fire67]

The way I see it (drunk or not), it's time to start putting this beast of yours together...
You've got to start putting it together to figure out your "Misc. fittings/gaskets" and your "intercooler piping"... Only thing i would get taken care of right away, is your powdercoating.

GET ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<<EDIT>> "Wastegate maybe" is not acceptable, that's one of those mandatory things.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I have a wastegate, just might buy a different one is all.

The whole thing will be going together over the course of one week maybe two at most. I am borrowing a buddies' car while mine is down so yea. The gaskets and fittings can be figured out as it goes and summit has their GA warehouse that usually gets parts to me the day after I order them even when I only pay for regular shipping so it shouldn't be a problem.

As for the intercooler piping, my friend has a TT vette that he has A LOT of leftover piping, couplers, and clamps that I'm going to buy off of him and the best part is he has Twin TC 76 F1 Trims so a majority of the piping sizes will be similar.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Minor update... i FINALLY brought my intake to the powdercoater and they gave me a great quote. I was originally going to just get it done black but he said he had some other stuff that was the same price, so I'm getting this cool looking textured silver flake type thing lol idk how to explain it, hopefully it will look good.

Brought in the fuel rails too and those will be coated a gloss black.

be hoping for me to be posting vids in 4 weeks or less :)

[Fire67]

Sounds like your gonna have a busy 4 weeks! Get to work slacker!

[dts300z]

Let me know when you get started... I would like to come check out the progress.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Let me know when you get started... I would like to come check out the progress.

Well I am bringing it over to Jon's probably on the 15th but maybe the 16th. And I changed my flight so I am in town til the 19th so I can at least be around to tear it apart.

He will hopefully finish it up before I get back on June 3rd... but yea the 15/16th-18th I'll be around tearing it apart

[Z28pr0jekt]

Still waiting to hear back from the powdercoater, had my 3rd out of 4 finals today... one more (and my hardest) on Friday then time to beat the shit out of this motor one last time and tear it apart :)..

She's done me well I must admit.. bought her with 116k miles and she now has about 154k on her and I never had a major problem... I will miss her lopeyness sigh

Out with the old in with the new I suppose.. maybe I'll keep her around for a forged 383

[Fire67]

Cool! Get video of her blowing up!

[Z28pr0jekt]

lalala.... last final in T-minus 6 hours... then finish my list of things that will need to be done to the car then hopefully bring it to my buddy and start tearing it apart.. I hope to have the motor dropped tomorrow night but that's if he wants to start tomorrow, if not, then on saturday

[Z28pr0jekt]

Talked to my buddy and I'm bringing the car in tomorrow morning not today as planned...

on another note, I'm pretty sure I just bombed my last final lol

[Z28pr0jekt]

Sigh bad day today...

I woke up a little late and brought the car over. Well my friend got bit by a spider (most likely a brown recluse) And is attempting to recover from that right now. On top of that I started to feel like trash so we decided to postpone the teardown until monday morning.

Sure enough, I get home from his place and I take a shower and throw up multiple times. Hopefully this is nothing more serious than a stomache bug but I've felt like trash all day today and haven't eaten anything because I don't want to throw it up. When I did puke I just threw up the bottle of propel i had this morning, I literally had nothing else in me except for some pill supplements (Which may actually be the reason why I got sick because I hadn't eaten anything with them).

So for now Im just kinda laying around the apartment and sipping on water. sigh :(

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well got the exhaust and tranny off today..

Interesting thing about the trans and I will admit Fastbird told me so a couple years ago.

Ok so I did my clutch myself a few years back (spec 2) and got the flywheel resurfaced but never shimmed it out.. had horrible chatter blah blah blah. Well while trying to trace down ym 2nd gear grind we replaced the clutch disk (spec 2) and put in a spec billet steel flywheel. Got rid of the chatter but yea.

Well when we took the clutch out today there were 2 rings ground around the casing of the pressure plate (was reused from the first spec i put in). We found nothing it couldve ground on but anyways.. we take out the disk and on one side it was only being used on the outside 1/4 inch of the clutch material and the other side it was being used on about 75% of the material so the clutch disk is like basically brand new lol.

The pressure plate must just be garbage and I shouldve replaced it when Sean warned me (my bad sir). Flywheel has a couple hotspots but nothing bad at all and I will have that and the disk up for sale when I get back from NY in early June and I take pics. My pacesetters are pretty banged up (I know there were some people asking me about buying them) but likewise, I will take pics of everything when I get back and hold a sale thread.

Don't worry I am not going to advertise the clutch disk as new or anything, it has about 10,000-15,000 miles on it but you wouldn't guess it from looking at it lol. The disk will be sold fairly cheap (The disk alone is 250 brand new through spec... I will sell this for about 75$)

The billet steel flywheel was 350$ brand new through spec and I will sell that for around 150$ (Like I said I would suggest a resurfacing and shimming your clutch out but my car never slipped on me and that is even with a half performing clutch).

I will probably let the pacesetters go for around 100$ because of the condition they are in (They are coated but well.. you'll see lol)


On another note I got my intake and fuel rails back from powdercoating and they look incredible. Just a gloss black on the rails and a cool crinkle type dark grey on the manifold. There are a couple spots that bubbled on the manifold that worry me after it gets heat put to it but hopefully it will be okay.

Sorry I don't have any pics, I'm actually still covered in oil right now and I never took the time to grab my phone to take any pics so everything will have to wait until I get back from NY. I might be able to get my friend to take pics while the rest of the install occurs though... just sad I can't be here to help out and see it on its way.

[Z28pr0jekt]

WOW I GOT FUCKED

Bought the shortblock from camarossguy2 (http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/member.php?u=23749) on Cz28 and was told it had about 8000 miles on it. Talked to him on aim about it a bunch and he mentioned that it had no blowby, no problems with it etc etc. This stuff is not just "puffing" to sell a motor, these are factual statements that only he was in the position to make and there was no way for me to have discovered this stuff.

Talked to my builder today and it was the first time the motor was unwrapped since it was shipped.

(11:46 AM): cyls are all scratched up bad
(11:46 AM): lifter bores are scratched
(11:47 AM): balancer has spun on the crank broken key still in it
(11:47 AM): cam bearings are hosed
(11:54 AM): all 8 bores are scored up a cpl real bad
‎(11:55 AM): i doubt it can be bored and honed.....be cheaper to start with a fresh block

I am severely not pleased and I will not let this go, I paid over $2000 for this and I got absolutely screwed.

[Fire67]

Time for a head-hunting party? That really sucks man, have you been in contact with him since this discovery?

[Z28pr0jekt]

I just found out today, i sent him a pm and he isnt on aim right now so yea

[IronOutlaw]

Damn dude that sucks. Hope your luck turns around. I absolutly HATE when people rip others off. Its stealing plain and simple and they should be taken care off.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I sent him a pm like I said and I was a bit of an ass in it, which I don't want to be.. I want to settle it amicably but I am not a richy rich kid, I honestly barely have any money and this seriously might set my build back 6 months to a year if I don't get compensated.

Not to mention my car is already halfway apart

[Z28pr0jekt]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/Damage/Picture136.jpg?t=1243357886
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Dont worry about the carbon on the pistons as that is all it is. He wrapped the motor great and oiled it, no rust built up in the past 8 months I've had it because it wasn't unwrapped til today... but the bearings and cylinders are just garbage

[brucealmighty744]

Hope your build carries on as planned. I am looking forward to the finished product!!!

[Z28pr0jekt]

yea me too, I'm debating a couple different options.. but I really want to hear from the seller first.. the pistons, rods, crank are fine but like i said this block may be no good on at least one of the cylinders.

I refuse to go more than 40 over so then i will need a new block and then that will mean I will need an extra $12-1400 for the work and parts for the block

[PipesTA]

Not trying to stir the pot here, but why did you wait 8 months to unwrap the engine? That's something that should have been checked when it was first received. Again, not trying to be a dick, I'm just curious...

None the less, that sucks. I hope you get everything worked out.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Not trying to stir the pot here, but why did you wait 8 months to unwrap the engine? That's something that should have been checked when it was first received. Again, not trying to be a dick, I'm just curious...

None the less, that sucks. I hope you get everything worked out.

I understand what you mean, but the motor was wrapped airtight and oiled so no rust formed on it. I didn't have the time/money to do the build at the time so we figured we would just keep it wrapped so that no oxidation occurred.

Why would I ever assume that a 7-8000 mile motor, from a guy who i researched his forum background and had not one complaint against him nor was there ever a problem posted with that motor, would be in that condition? Partially my fault for not checking the motor but even if I did check it paypal wouldn't have covered my ass anyways because it wasn't bought on ebay; if it isn't bought on ebay they only cover it if you don't receive it.

[CamaroZGuy]

hey man, if interested i got a short block at my parents house (Fastbirds old motor) and its been just sitting there since i got the the block. i would be more then willing to pass it off to you for the same price i got it for. PM me if interested.

[Z28pr0jekt]

hey man, if interested i got a short block at my parents house (Fastbirds old motor) and its been just sitting there since i got the the block. i would be more then willing to pass it off to you for the same price i got it for. PM me if interested.

I'll let you know, DTS300z is local to me and he told me that he has a spare block.

Problem is, the assembled block has 1300$ worth of work (+bearings) done to it. I simply don't have another $1000 to throw at a block.

I refuse to put this turbo on a 2 bolt block so i would have to get another block align bored, splayed 4 bolt mains, new bearings etc etc.

If I can get at least a partial refund from the seller I will be satisfied (As I said the pistons, crank, rods are all fine).

I appreciate the offer man and I will let you know, hopefully I can get this settled in a couple days if this guy gets online.

[CamaroZGuy]

thats cool, just let me know.....

[Z28pr0jekt]

Thankfully I just talked to the seller and he is understanding but is going to inspect his pics that he sent me months ago to see what I "knew" when I bought it.

I obviously knew of literally none of this stuff and I still have each and every one of the pics he sent me (in fact, most of them are posted in the beginning of this thread).

I clearly don't expect the entire purchase price back but I need to be made right.

[dts300z]

I'm sure it will work out. He sounds like a stand up dude from what you told me before.

On a side note J&W Engine Service did my block work and did a jam up job. I would keep them in mind if you need to get any machine work done. They are very reputable and they do great work. I've got their price sheet from last year I'll send you.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I'm sure it will work out. He sounds like a stand up dude from what you told me before.

On a side note J&W Engine Service did my block work and did a jam up job. I would keep them in mind if you need to get any machine work done. They are very reputable and they do great work. I've got their price sheet from last year I'll send you.


Alright, send it to tino069@aol.com so I can take a look at it.

Thanks Dan

[Z28pr0jekt]

Looking like I might be SOL here. The guy is only going to cover a hone/cam bearings if it needs it.

If it's anymore than that he wants me to just ship it back and he's going to refund me.

It's great that he's willing to do that but then I'll be out a motor. the money I paid for that will barely cover a rotating assembly, certainly wont cover that plus work to a block. Which means my build will be done for a while.

[Divine02]

You might think i'm crazy but you could use a 2 bolt block but use ARP studs. I've been runnin mine on nitrous, turbos, and superchargers for 4 years I think now with a 2 bolt block. Studs would be a cheap alternative for a while.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I refuse haha.. the thing is, I want to do this block once and only once so I can save up for a 383 down the road.

This is just a shitty situation that I don't see turning out in my favor but we'll see I suppose.

[Divine02]

I understand exactly where you are coming from.

[IronOutlaw]

To tell you the truth, I cant believe he is offering to refund your money. I thought from the sounds of it he sold you a junk motor on purpose, but sounds like hes a stand up guy for the most part.

Sorry for the shitty luck though, hope you can get that beast put together.

[95formula383lt1]

i know what your going though i just pulled apart my 383 and found that the main and rod berrings are torn up really bad deep into the copper, and the cam berrings are shot, along with some cyl's that need a good hone and this motor isnt suposed to have much time on it at all. its kinda cool what the guy is doing for you though i called the guy i got mine from an he said dont worry about it, it will be fine jus go ahead and drop it in it will run... yea right for how long. good luck though hope it all works out in ur favor.

[Z28pr0jekt]

i know what your going though i just pulled apart my 383 and found that the main and rod berrings are torn up really bad deep into the copper, and the cam berrings are shot, along with some cyl's that need a good hone and this motor isnt suposed to have much time on it at all. its kinda cool what the guy is doing for you though i called the guy i got mine from an he said dont worry about it, it will be fine jus go ahead and drop it in it will run... yea right for how long. good luck though hope it all works out in ur favor.

Yea you're pretty much in the same boat.. my seller says his ran perfectly fine before he took it out and had no blowby or anything, but if you look at those pics, those scores are pretty deep in the cylinder walls.

I appreciate that he is willing to refund but that would put me in almost just as bad a position since my car is already apart waiting on the motor. I will not throw some cheap shit in for this build.

My buddy got tied up today so the motor should be dropped off at the machine shop tomorrow morning and we'll see what they say.

[Z28pr0jekt]

WELL... so far so good.

Motor made it to the machine shop this morning.
From initial inspection, the guy THINKS he can take out 80-90% of the scratches in the cylinder walls with a hone.
He also wants to replace the cam bearings.

There was another problem with the crank snout where something ate it up a bit and he may have to turn the snout and build the material back up in order for the balancer to fit correctly.

The full inspection should be done by Monday so hopefully I will find out then. The only good thing about this is, I get back on wednesday so this gives me more time to help put everything together on the car so I don't feel like I didn't even get to be there or do anything :D.

But yea, emailed the seller and I think he'll take this as good news. The machine shop said with the quality of parts and work in the motor that he thinks it is worth saving this one because it would be way expensive to duplicate it.

He also said the motor must've been run pig rich for that much carbon to build up in that few miles lol.

HOPEFULLY this all turns out with a hone and such and I can be on my way... then 1-2 weeks til this bitch is together.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Looks like we may be working it out (hopefully).

I get back in Jax wednesday and am going to take a close look at everything at the machine shop.

Hopefully my build only got delayed a week (or two at most)

[Z28pr0jekt]

Block is being honed right now, I settled things as good as possible with, camarossguy2. He is paying for the hone and reassembly. I'm paying for the tear down, cleaning, and possibly new rings (just to be safe after the hone.. the rings in it are fine but as a precaution).

The bearings are all fine so I should be okay with those. Only other worry is whether or not the hub will be snug on the crank snout. Hopefully it will.

I get back in Jax tomorrow and am looking to either pick up the motor or just check everything out and get it picked up the next day or so. Hopefullyyyyyy everything goes as planned and i have this together in the next couple weeks.

[ksmyss]

if you are pulling it down to hone why not do new bearings? they have to come out anyway.

[Z28pr0jekt]

if you are pulling it down to hone why not do new bearings? they have to come out anyway.

It is getting some new bearings, but the current ones only have 6800 miles on them.

Not all, but some are being replaced

[ksmyss]

It is getting some new bearings, but the current ones only have 6800 miles on them.

Not all, but some are being replaced

with the cylinder walls looking as bad as they do i would replace every bearing and ring in there. that metal went somewhere and i would not be taking any chances at all. lot less work and money now than later.

[Z28pr0jekt]

with the cylinder walls looking as bad as they do i would replace every bearing and ring in there. that metal went somewhere and i would not be taking any chances at all. lot less work and money now than later.

I have looked at everything personally, and no metal made it past the rings at all. the cylinder walls were scored up from carbon/dirt.

I looked at every single bearing yesterday as well as the machine shop checked everything out.

I will figure out what is being replaced in the next week or so.

[Fastbird]

Wow Ryan, just wow. That's good that the seller stood up but sucks that you had to find out this deep into the build. Good to hear it's progressing though.

[Z28pr0jekt]

yea I'm actually taking quite a hit to my bank account with what I'm paying outside of the money the seller reimbursed me

[Speed Density]

Slow.... :)

[Z28pr0jekt]

Sigh... machine shop is busy lately so hopefully the shortblock will be back together by the middle of the coming week.

And JE had me open my ring gap a lot compared the where the previous owner had them set

[Z28pr0jekt]

:-D

Ohhh this is a good one.. So I spent the day tearing apart my motor... stripped the heads/intake/accessories off of it. Does anyone want to venture a guess on how my cylinders looked on my 152,000 mile stock long block that has had a cc306 with a misfire running rich for the past 20,000 miles as compared to my 6800 mile shortblock that I already posted pics of...?

Pics to come ;)


edit: btw it was fucking amazing being able to work on my own car again.

[Fastbird]

Probably had cross hatch on the cylinder walls huh???? I know the motor I pulled out of my T/A did.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Lets say uh my 152,000 mile motor looked like it had about 10,000

Someone stole my motor..
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Here's the old girl...
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Cylinders...
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And my perty smile

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[Z28pr0jekt]

Some more...

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Didn't do too much else today, cleaned up some parts and the accessory bracket and swapped some sensors for new ones.

[Fastbird]

Looking at that motor, if the new one can't be honed out, you might be able to get away with a .010 hone on your just removed block and then do a new set of pistons and use the rods/crank from the "bad" motor you got........

[Z28pr0jekt]

Looking at that motor, if the new one can't be honed out, you might be able to get away with a .010 hone on your just removed block and then do a new set of pistons and use the rods/crank from the "bad" motor you got........
I'm sure I could, but I don't have $600 for new pistons and $1000 plus for the work to the block with splayed mains etc etc

[Fastbird]

I'm sure I could, but I don't have $600 for new pistons and $1000 plus for the work to the block with splayed mains etc etc

But if it comes down to that other block needing a bore......are you going to want to be .040+ over, and you'll need new pistons to boot. I'm just tossing it out there as an alternative.

I hate you and your camaro nose though. I've tried mocking up the FMIC on my car, and there's a HUGE support behind my bumper. And I can't just toss it because the dang fog lights mount to it and those are NOT deletable IMO.

[Z28pr0jekt]

But if it comes down to that other block needing a bore......are you going to want to be .040+ over, and you'll need new pistons to boot. I'm just tossing it out there as an alternative.

I hate you and your camaro nose though. I've tried mocking up the FMIC on my car, and there's a HUGE support behind my bumper. And I can't just toss it because the dang fog lights mount to it and those are NOT deletable IMO.

I think the hone will be fine in my case so it'll be alright, but even if not, even though I'm kinda iffy about it, I think I might be okay with going .040 over on the other block seeing as it already has so much work into it. Meh, we'll see but at the moment I'm 80% sure I'm using the block after the hone.

Yea obviously my fogs were cut out, and we also took off the HEAVY steel crash support that bolts across the length of the front end. We're still debating if we're going to stand the radiator up, simply to have the extra room. The guy that fabs for me does incredible jobs and that fricken intercooler is mounted like a beast lol.

We still gotta clean up the bumper where it was cut so it is a bit smoother. And idk why but I almost feel like sanding down the bottom part of the bumper just under where the hole is cut out (plus the paint and bumper is cracked and split down there anyways) and spray it a flat black, maybe a gloss but I doubt it. It would kinda be like how the black berger panels would be on the back.

I'll try and photoshop something to explain better

[Z28pr0jekt]

meh something like this..

I obviously suck at photoshop lol

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/edit.jpg?t=1244427772

[Z28pr0jekt]

My heads apparently needed more work than I had hoped so there's about 250$ being spent at the machine shop for the heads.

I think those are done but haven't contacted them yet.

The shortblock has been honed and the machinist said it came out great (my apologies for my overreaction about how that would come out *inserts foot in mouth*) but it wont be reassembled until monday.

ETA... uhm... uh... 1 week? 2 weeks? lol

[Fastbird]

Awesome man......can't wait to see it running. How are you handling the tuning stuff again?

[Z28pr0jekt]

Awesome man......can't wait to see it running. How are you handling the tuning stuff again?

I got a 2 bar tune from Alvin, and checked over it against DTS300z's tune on his turbo LT1 and he said it looks pretty good (and fairly safe). So we'll see how it goes, I have a wideband and tunercats and whatnot so if I need to make any changes, I can.

This coming fall I'm looking into setting up the Reluctor wheel/megasquirt II setup with Dan's help (DTS300z) and I plan to learn a good bit about the tuning aspect.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well talked to the shop with the heads yesterday and apparently the springs needed to be installed at a different (and the correct) height and with the 1.6 RR's, they needed the retainers shaved a bit for clearance purposes? Idk it was explained to me but I kinda blanked out lol. They had to deck the head .004 I think he said.. I woulda had them CC the chambers but he wanted another $125 for that so I said negative ghostrider.

So yea there's some more money to them yarg... the machine shop with the shortblock is being slow and not getting my shit done but I was told this time, by Wednesday that will be done even though I shoulda had it back last friday.

Supposed to be working on the car some more today, gotta swap some fittings from intake to intake, maybe remove the fuel pump, clean the engine bay... and whatever little shit I can do while the motor isn't here.

[1toofastlt1]

very nice. i wish i could build mine.

[Fastbird]

Good lawd!!! $125 to CC the chambers?? Do yourself a favor and get the equipment for about $50-75 and DIY, then sell it to me so I can use it on the side to make some dough. :D

[Z28pr0jekt]

Good lawd!!! $125 to CC the chambers?? Do yourself a favor and get the equipment for about $50-75 and DIY, then sell it to me so I can use it on the side to make some dough. :D

Yea my buddy told me he might have a graduated cylinder laying around somewhere. We'll see.. I mean either way my CR is going to be between 9.0-9.5:1 but I just wanted the accurate knowledge, just to know.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I want to die... it was 95*+ out today with 75% humidity while I was working on the car...

I'm still not acclimated to FL high temps but mainly the humidity. It was about the same yesterday too, but I was severely dehydrated today. Needless to say, I am drained right now.

On another note, the machine shop is taking their sweet time with my shortblock. Keeps giving me "it'll be done in 2 days" yea well that was a week ago. I told him today that the motor is holding my whole build up and I need it back ASAP.
I did get my heads back today, no pics because I was too tired and just needed to come home and shower and rest.

[dts300z]

Damn they are usually a little more quick... lol. Damn you should be rockin soon. I need to get over to Jons to see this thing. Let me know when you get the shortblock back.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Damn they are usually a little more quick... lol. Damn you should be rockin soon. I need to get over to Jons to see this thing. Let me know when you get the shortblock back.
Last friday... wait this past monday... wait today.. no wait this friday lol that's basically what I've been told the past week. He said they are busy and I understand but don't keep telling me dates if you aren't going to even work on it. It has been honed and that is it, no reassembly has occurred yet.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Motor is being assembled..

New cam bearings
New rod bearings
New rings

There so get off my ass about replacing them :-P. Motor should be done around or before 4pm.

[Speed Density]

where are the damn pictures?

[Z28pr0jekt]

haha was a long night, I spent the night at a friend's band's show

I'll get pictures when i feel like it biotch lol

[Speed Density]

How dare you sir.

[Z28pr0jekt]

lol <3

[1toofastlt1]

this build is so bad ass! im going to have a ton of questions when i build my 355. how much have you spent on the engine and heads?

[Z28pr0jekt]

They are stock heads, so I only spent as much as the machine shop charged to clean them up.

The bottom end I bought second hand and got a deal on it but it required more work than was originally thought.

My $$ figures for the motor and heads wont help at all because of the things that I had to get fixed and replaced

[1toofastlt1]

o yeah Im going to use my stock heads ported. I think I want to build a 4 bolt block if I dont have one. chanses are mine is a 2 bolt.

[Z28pr0jekt]

The shortblock has been honed and the machinist said it came out great (my apologies for my overreaction about how that would come out *inserts foot in mouth*) but it wont be reassembled until monday.



So uh... unwrapped the motor today after getting it back from the machine shop that did the hone job and replaced the bearings and whatnot... let me go ahead and say this *removes foot from mouth* and takes back my apology for overreacting because my 90% suspicion that a hone job would not take out the gouges in the cylinder walls were more than correct, along with my friend's suspicions when he first opened the motor and sent me those pics.

I have all the bearings and they are garbage, even after a hone the cylinder walls have gouges that a nail can EASILY be caught on. One in particular has about 10 scratches side by side at least an inch long.. another cylinder has a scratch that ends who knows where.

Needless to say, I am not thrilled about this but I simply don't have a choice in the matter. My old motor is in pieces and this one is going in.. hopefully I get lucky and the new rings do their job. To be honest I'm sick of bitching about this whole situation, the seller will get another email from me and that will be that. I doubt I will be compensated in any way shape or form so I'm SOL.

Just like life, cars have their ups and downs.. hopefully things get better from here on out.

Oh and btw next person that screws me over, I'm hunting down and they will be on a missing persons list :)

Pics to come..

Got the rag joint eliminator on today. Probably going to start on the double pumper tomorrow. Have a few pigtails and bolts I need to order.

No idea on an ETA at the moment.

[Z28pr0jekt]

As promised... my lovely fresh out the machine shop trashed motor

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/1.jpg?t=1245793444
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/2.jpg?t=1245793447
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/3.jpg?t=1245793449
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/4.jpg?t=1245793452
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/5.jpg?t=1245793455
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/6.jpg?t=1245793459
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/7.jpg?t=1245793464


And here is the intake manifold, obviously not fully assembled yet, but so ya'll can get an idea of the powder coat. And idk why it looks whitish/dirty on the side of it, it doesn't actually look like that, must be because of the blur

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Pyrodawg1690/My%20Car/manifold.jpg?t=1245793466


So yea... the gouges are just ridiculous. I paid well over the majority of the machine shop bill, got very little compensation from the seller, yet he accused me of trying to scam him for a new motor? Highly improbable.

[Fastbird]

Ryan......I feel for you man, I really do. If you have a complete email trail from the seller stating the motor condition, have you considered small claims at the very least? Downside is it has to be filed in his jurisdiction, but it could be an option for a recoup of some finances. Hang in there buddy, you know that this is sometimes how these things go.

[95formula383lt1]

if it makes u feel any better lol my cyl's are about the same and all my berrings were much worse that came out of the 383 i bought. but yea ur build is goin to be awesome good luck.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Ryan......I feel for you man, I really do. If you have a complete email trail from the seller stating the motor condition, have you considered small claims at the very least? Downside is it has to be filed in his jurisdiction, but it could be an option for a recoup of some finances. Hang in there buddy, you know that this is sometimes how these things go.

I have a small amount of convo but unfortunately a lot of our convo was on aim so I made my first mistake there by not having my aim set to log convo's. Lesson learned.

While I want to take it to court just to teach people a lesson, I just don't have the time to do so right now. You know how that shit goes, and that is unfortunately how a lot of people get away with shit like this.

Lesson 2 learned, when doing a motor build, build your own motor. We'll see how this motor works but I really don't know how it will go in terms of blowby with those gouges being so bad.

Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky.

[dts300z]

Just out of curiosity what did the guys at the machine shop say about the scratches? Did they seem to think it would be alright? Sorry for the misfortune...

[prostkr]

Its going to be fine, but it is going to cause some extra blow by. I think they were under the impression this was going to be a high maintenance race motor (tore down and worked on every weekend). When in reality we wanted it to be a 100k mile, better than stock replacement. We didn't really have any other choice with his budget. Id have personally sold it back to him and waited to do the build a bit longer.

I do hope the guy sees the pictures. He kinda pissed me off with his "your guy is trying to milk you out of more money comments" Jon

[dts300z]

Yea, that's bullS***. What amazes me is he either noticed the scarring and didn't care or he is just F***ing blind. It is pretty apparent even after the hone that there was substantial trash in the engine on the original build. The scarring looks like it is too high to be piston skirts.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yea he was pretty adamant about trying to tell me that I knew of these gouges, when every single picture of the motor that I have, is also posted at the beginning of this thread.

If ya'll can see those gouges from those pictures, I must have a serious eye problem because I can't. If I had known about them I would've never paid for the motor. I was told that his car never had any blowby or problems or whatnot and I just don't see how it is even possible to not have blowby when you have 10 gouges right next to each other that are over .005-.01 deep

[Speed Density]

Run it.

Those gouges suck ass but they look like they are in normal places. Arent those from when the pistons are cold and slap around? I pulled my LS1 apart and all the tubes had them, all 8. But that was a 92k mile short. I suspect you got jewed a bit Ryan but you should know how it works. Kids are pricks and you get shafted with some parts but when its all said and done you will surpas your goals and not have a single issue.

Good Luck.

[Divine02]

And you have to remember. When running forced induction you're gonna have blow by and theres really no way to prevent it.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Run it.

Those gouges suck ass but they look like they are in normal places. Arent those from when the pistons are cold and slap around? I pulled my LS1 apart and all the tubes had them, all 8. But that was a 92k mile short. I suspect you got jewed a bit Ryan but you should know how it works. Kids are pricks and you get shafted with some parts but when its all said and done you will surpas your goals and not have a single issue.

Good Luck.

Nah these aren't from piston slap.. these are from either the rings (maybe some of the scratches) but more likely something was in this motor either when it was put together or no air cleaner or something of that nature. These scores are over .005-.01 deep so the ONLY way to get rid of em is to bore it out.. then it needs new pistons/balancing etc etc.

Remember I posted pics in here of my stock 152k mile long block that was running rich as fuck and had the cc306 in it for about 15-20k miles. There is NOT ONE vertical mark on my cylinder walls. I understand that motor never had FI put to it but regardless, a motor should not incur gouges vertically like that unless it sucked some dirt through the motor or the rings were gapped incorrectly (In which case, the rings that came with it were completely at the wrong gap)


And you have to remember. When running forced induction you're gonna have blow by and theres really no way to prevent it.

If the rings are gapped correctly (Which the previous owner had them all fubared) you should HARDLY have any blowby at all as long as they are broken in right.

The majority of my friends down here have FI cars and not one of them burn oil

[Divine02]

But it's also a reason why some guys don't even have dipstick tubes.

[Speed Density]

Run it, blow the fucking thing up.

[Z28pr0jekt]

But it's also a reason why some guys don't even have dipstick tubes.

All my buddies cars are street driven and they all definitely have dipstick tubes lol.

Blow by is not something that SHOULD occur just because you are FI.

[Divine02]

So cars shouldn't have crankcase ventilation?

[Z28pr0jekt]

So cars shouldn't have crankcase ventilation?

That is meant to prevent blow by

Which like I said, blow by is not something that SHOULD be occurring. And with gouges in the cylinder walls blow by will be inevitable

Edit: no more arguing damnit..

I understand that a small amount of blowby is going to occur and the PCV is meant to counteract that.. but that's when your cylinder walls are clean.. my situation is a bit different

[Divine02]

That is meant to prevent blow by

Which like I said, blow by is not something that SHOULD be occurring. And with gouges in the cylinder walls blow by will be inevitable

Edit: no more arguing damnit..

I understand that a small amount of blowby is going to occur and the PCV is meant to counteract that.. but that's when your cylinder walls are clean.. my situation is a bit different
LOL. Thats all I was trying to say. blow by is inevitable. No matter how the engine is built.

[boosted95z]

If the rings are gapped correctly (Which the previous owner had them all fubared) you should HARDLY have any blowby at all as long as they are broken in right.

The majority of my friends down here have FI cars and not one of them burn oil

Exactly. But an E-vac setup is pretty cheap and helps prevent blowby by regulating crankcase pressure. Racetronix makes a wiring harness for lt1's for $60 and that AIR pump you're selling would work perfectly for an e-vac setup. You'd just have to pop it open and remove the foam. The Racetronix harness has a switch that comes on at certain levels of boost so it doesn't burn up the pump. Thought I would share. I plan on doing an e-vac setup on my car.

The car should be a beast! I'm hoping to get my car on the road in the next couple weeks too. :cool:

[Z28pr0jekt]

Interesting, thanks for the info sir

[Fire67]

I run the header style evac setup, and can maintain 8~9" of vac. from just off idle to redline.

It works rather well with my exhaust setup, but have been told that it doesnt work too well with the street style exhaust systems. i.e. pretty much any catback offered.

[Z28pr0jekt]

I think Im gonna get that racetronix harness its like 42$ before shipping and it looks all plug and play

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yea... it's been like a month lol no updates to speak of..

Starting tomorrow morning, my ass is getting back in gear and working on it.
I hope to get the longblock assembled tomorrow, possibly cut the hole in the hatch and get to gettin' on the double pumper.

School starts in 15 days so time is of the essence at the moment