View Full Version : 21* Trickflows fully ported my LE just arrived!! Pics! Check 'Em Out!!!
FlatBlackZ28
03-14-2013, 03:16 PM
So I now have my complete LE top end.
Custom grind 237/245 .603/.611 110 LSA Cam
Fully ported intake
21* fully ported trickflows with 2.055in 1.60ex valves, 7/16th studs
216cc
They look even better than the intake.
What do you guys think?
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg559/bkpliskin/Valves_zps2d79a2ae.jpg
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg559/bkpliskin/Heads_zps8482c3a4.jpg
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg559/bkpliskin/IntakeRunners_zpsca35fd2d.jpg
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg559/bkpliskin/ExhaustRunners_zps5a57dd00.jpg
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg559/bkpliskin/FlowChart_zps3793db5f.png
DMBlack
03-14-2013, 03:22 PM
Nice. I do want!
97firehawk
03-14-2013, 03:25 PM
I like
twgoodspeed
03-14-2013, 05:42 PM
I want the heads
96LT1355Z28
03-14-2013, 06:23 PM
Very nice Llloyd does great work with great service, and it's crazy he still does it by hand.
Fastbird
03-14-2013, 06:24 PM
What's the volume and flow on those? Just curious.
FlatBlackZ28
03-14-2013, 06:47 PM
I emailed Lloyd as soon as I got them. Just waiting for him to email me the flow chart and the final CC.
They are supposed to be at 215cc and from what I have seen from others results, they flow about 300cfm. Plenty of head for my little 353.
I'll post up the final numbers once he gets back to me.
FlatBlackZ28
03-14-2013, 06:49 PM
Very nice Llloyd does great work with great service, and it's crazy he still does it by hand.
This is my first time working with Lloyd. Class act.
You should really see this work in person. I know you said he worked on your last set, but to see these trickflows and what he did to them, its amazing. I went to Summit and looked at the display model of these heads and they don't compare to what they look like now.
LT1RUNNER
03-14-2013, 08:11 PM
Ugh! I hate you! Congrats on your buy. Nice, real nice. So what was the final cost if you don't mind me asking. I'm just trying to save up for a set myself.
MEAN LT1
03-14-2013, 11:52 PM
Wow, we have very similar builds going on with almost the same exact head. I just receive my Trick Flow 23* heads from AI. They are also 215cc and going on my 355. My cam is little bigger then yours but that may hurt me more then help but it is what it is. Im interested in the differences between the two heads. I will start my own thread tomorrow and show mine. Your port work looks, lets just say different then mine but then again Im no head expert.
FlatBlackZ28
03-15-2013, 04:38 AM
Wow, we have very similar builds going on with almost the same exact head. I just receive my Trick Flow 23* heads from AI. They are also 215cc and going on my 355. My cam is little bigger then yours but that may hurt me more then help but it is what it is. Im interested in the differences between the two heads. I will start my own thread tomorrow and show mine. Your port work looks, lets just say different then mine but then again Im no head expert.
It should look different. Two different sets of heads and one was hand ported, the other CNC'd. Looking at mine for a day, let me tell you, these things are a work of art. I'll keep everyone posted. They are getting bolted on to my forged shortblock this weekend.
If you don't mind me asking, how big of a cam are you running in your 355? Lloyd and I discussed it, and my optimal shift point is should be right around 7000. Any bigger and I wouldn't be able to spin it high enough due to the factory pcm limitations.
FlatBlackZ28
03-15-2013, 04:40 AM
You can get a set of these heads fully ported by Lloyd for about $2000. I added even larger intake valves with a new valve job which added another $200. They can be as expensive as you want to make them depending on what hardware you want to add.
adam85
03-15-2013, 10:03 AM
Been a while since I looked at mine but I swear he didnt port through where the rocker stud is on mine. It looks like he did on yours just wondering. Also he said mine were only 205cc not 215, after the porting. Other wise they look just like mine do. I cant wait to hear the results.
FlatBlackZ28
03-15-2013, 10:50 AM
Been a while since I looked at mine but I swear he didnt port through where the rocker stud is on mine. It looks like he did on yours just wondering. Also he said mine were only 205cc not 215, after the porting. Other wise they look just like mine do. I cant wait to hear the results.
He told me he was going to email me the CC info and flow chart tonight or tomorrow morning. I'll let you know.
adam85
03-15-2013, 12:02 PM
He told me he was going to email me the CC info and flow chart tonight or tomorrow morning. I'll let you know.
Im sure he does them different likethe LE1,2,3 stuff. Let me know what he says thanks!
FlatBlackZ28
03-15-2013, 03:58 PM
Im sure he does them different likethe LE1,2,3 stuff. Let me know what he says thanks!
He does to an extent. If you upgrade the intake valve, the valve job that he applies to the heads he claims adds about 5cc's. I'm sure there are other factors too.
bowtiedad_z28
03-15-2013, 06:17 PM
I want to see a start-up vid when you get it together. I bet it will run and sound awesome.
FlatBlackZ28
03-15-2013, 07:07 PM
I want to see a start-up vid when you get it together. I bet it will run and sound awesome.
Definitely! I'll be keeping everyone posted on my progress since there isn't much out there on the modified versions of these heads. Should sound sick with the dual cutouts opened up. Never had cutouts before!
That's a work of art from Lloyd's own two hands!
TravisMcGill2000
03-15-2013, 09:18 PM
Cut outs sound great. Im runnin bullets and thy sound bad ass
Badhawk
03-15-2013, 09:44 PM
Heads look good keep us updated.
FlatBlackZ28
03-16-2013, 09:17 AM
Heads look good keep us updated.
Thanks! I've got high hopes for my small cube LT1! I'll be running the car in street trim, so I won't exactly be maximizing its potential. And I think I may have just DQ'd myself from the LTX Shootout ES and ESPA classes----->Dual cutouts :(
MeanTA
03-16-2013, 09:20 AM
Heads look amazing! LE knows his stuff. Can't wait to see what the motor does!
dawdaw
03-16-2013, 09:24 AM
Looks good! let us know how it runs! and maybe you can just keep your cut outs closed? I'm sure they would allow them as long as you have them closed and running it through a set of mufflers like it requires. A set of bullet mufflers will work good for ya :D
LTX Extreme Street N/A
Limited to quickest 32 qualifiers must have LT1-based engine. No power adders permitted.
Engine: Heads must retain the factory 23 deg valve angle. Trick Flow 21 deg. heads permitted (PN TFS-
30400008-M54). Aftermarket heads and converted small block Chevy heads will be permitted. Only
stock/stock ported intakes will be allowed (Edelbrock LT1 specific intake permitted). Welded intakes not
permitted. LS1 PCM permitted with 100 lb. penalty, aftermarket EFI allowed with a 200lb weight penalty.
Tires: DOT approved tires only (includes DOT approved bias-ply tires). Radials must retain one of the
following aspect ratios (275/50-15, 275/60-15, 255/50-16, 275/40-17, 315/35-17, 295/45-17, 325/45R17).
28\" maximum height and 10\" maximum tread width for bias-ply tires. Note: If you are running drag
radials and do not see your size listed, please contact us about your specific size.
Suspension/ Chassis / Interior: Must have stock-style suspension. 4-links and ladder bars not permitted.
Mini-tubs not permitted. Solid motor mounts allowed. No motor plates or anti-roll bars (aftermarket sway
bars with solid end-links permitted). Must retain full OEM interior including both front seats (ie: headliner,
carpet, sun visors, all plastics forward of package tray). Aftermarket front seats permitted. Rear seats may
be removed. Must have factory glass. Lexan windows not permitted. Must have working lights, wipers,
horn, and current registration.
Exhaust System: may be replaced with tubular headers. Mufflers are required. Single cut-out is allowed in
vehicles equipped with a factory style exhaust with the muffler behind the rear axle. True duals permitted,
but must run through mufflers at all times. All exhaust must exit behind the front seats.
Transmissions allowed are one of the following (700R4, 4L60, 4L60E, 4L80E, T56) without a weight
penalty, TH 350/400 allowed with the use of an external cooler and will have a 100 lbs weight penalty. No
trans-brake or two-steps allowed.
Minimum race-weight limit 3,400 lbs.
Independent rear suspension receives 200 lb. weight break.
Car and driver must meet NHRA certifications for the time the car is running., and must comply with all
NHRA rules concerning weight ballast and ballast boxes. Rear mounted batteries need to be mounted and
vented per NHRA regulations
FlatBlackZ28
03-16-2013, 09:48 AM
Looks good! let us know how it runs! and maybe you can just keep your cut outs closed? I'm sure they would allow them as long as you have them closed and running it through a set of mufflers like it requires. A set of bullet mufflers will work good for ya :D
LTX Extreme Street N/A
Limited to quickest 32 qualifiers must have LT1-based engine. No power adders permitted.
Engine: Heads must retain the factory 23 deg valve angle. Trick Flow 21 deg. heads permitted (PN TFS-
30400008-M54). Aftermarket heads and converted small block Chevy heads will be permitted. Only
stock/stock ported intakes will be allowed (Edelbrock LT1 specific intake permitted). Welded intakes not
permitted. LS1 PCM permitted with 100 lb. penalty, aftermarket EFI allowed with a 200lb weight penalty.
Tires: DOT approved tires only (includes DOT approved bias-ply tires). Radials must retain one of the
following aspect ratios (275/50-15, 275/60-15, 255/50-16, 275/40-17, 315/35-17, 295/45-17, 325/45R17).
28\" maximum height and 10\" maximum tread width for bias-ply tires. Note: If you are running drag
radials and do not see your size listed, please contact us about your specific size.
Suspension/ Chassis / Interior: Must have stock-style suspension. 4-links and ladder bars not permitted.
Mini-tubs not permitted. Solid motor mounts allowed. No motor plates or anti-roll bars (aftermarket sway
bars with solid end-links permitted). Must retain full OEM interior including both front seats (ie: headliner,
carpet, sun visors, all plastics forward of package tray). Aftermarket front seats permitted. Rear seats may
be removed. Must have factory glass. Lexan windows not permitted. Must have working lights, wipers,
horn, and current registration.
Exhaust System: may be replaced with tubular headers. Mufflers are required. Single cut-out is allowed in
vehicles equipped with a factory style exhaust with the muffler behind the rear axle. True duals permitted,
but must run through mufflers at all times. All exhaust must exit behind the front seats.
Transmissions allowed are one of the following (700R4, 4L60, 4L60E, 4L80E, T56) without a weight
penalty, TH 350/400 allowed with the use of an external cooler and will have a 100 lbs weight penalty. No
trans-brake or two-steps allowed.
Minimum race-weight limit 3,400 lbs.
Independent rear suspension receives 200 lb. weight break.
Car and driver must meet NHRA certifications for the time the car is running., and must comply with all
NHRA rules concerning weight ballast and ballast boxes. Rear mounted batteries need to be mounted and
vented per NHRA regulations
I'm running dual electric cuouts and after that I run through a y-pipe and magnaflow catback. This is meant to be a street car first and a track car second, so I didn't want to lose any ground clearance and I wanted to be able to keep it relatively quiet when I'm just DD-ing the car.
Probably no chance they would make an exception for a second cutout would they? It's not like I'm bringing a ringer or anything. I'm running 30-40 less cubes than a lot of the people at the shootout, not to mention I'm not running slicks and skinnies and I'm worried my y-pipe/catback will hold my engine back quite a bit. A person running 1 7/8" headers with bullets and dumps would be flowing better than my 1 3/4" pacesetter with cutouts. Any way to get a vote to see if I am allowed to participate with the extra cutout?
dawdaw
03-16-2013, 09:57 AM
I'm running dual electric cuouts and after that I run through a y-pipe and magnaflow catback. This is meant to be a street car first and a track car second, so I didn't want to lose any ground clearance and I wanted to be able to keep it relatively quiet when I'm just DD-ing the car.
Probably no chance they would make an exception for a second cutout would they? It's not like I'm bringing a ringer or anything. I'm running 30-40 less cubes than a lot of the people at the shootout, not to mention I'm not running slicks and skinnies and I'm worried my y-pipe/catback will hold my engine back quite a bit. A person running 1 7/8" headers with bullets and dumps would be flowing better than my 1 3/4" pacesetter with cutouts. Any way to get a vote to see if I am allowed to participate with the extra cutout?
I highly doubt it man, If it were my car I would just leave it that way it is... I had an issue with my car not being legal in the aspect that the rear arb bar i run is illegal because it doesn't have the poly urethane bushings like the UMI and BMR "extreme" ones have... so all i'm doing is stealing my buddies UMI one for the shootout and running it and taking my mwc one off for the meantime... they can't change every single rule to the shootout and make exceptions. plus open cutouts is almost like having open headers and they want it running through an exhaust with mufflers... i would leave it the way it is, or if your were hell bent on making it being as efficient as possible, i would ditch the catback and run a bullet right off your y pipe. plus with them 21* heads and 600 lift plus cam you won't need cut outs :D just throttle!
FlatBlackZ28
03-16-2013, 11:00 AM
I highly doubt it man, If it were my car I would just leave it that way it is... I had an issue with my car not being legal in the aspect that the rear arb bar i run is illegal because it doesn't have the poly urethane bushings like the UMI and BMR "extreme" ones have... so all i'm doing is stealing my buddies UMI one for the shootout and running it and taking my mwc one off for the meantime... they can't change every single rule to the shootout and make exceptions. plus open cutouts is almost like having open headers and they want it running through an exhaust with mufflers... i would leave it the way it is, or if your were hell bent on making it being as efficient as possible, i would ditch the catback and run a bullet right off your y pipe. plus with them 21* heads and 600 lift plus cam you won't need cut outs :D just throttle!
Maybe by the time the shootout comes around, I'll just take the y-pipe and catback off and throw some bullets off the back of my cutout pipes and keep the electric cutouts closed. Shouldn't be that hard.
I hope it runs hard! I regularly run in 2500-3000 DA around here and I'd like to be able to break 120mph traps at Thompson Raceway Park.
adam85
03-16-2013, 11:31 AM
What et are you shootin for? I run in very similar DA where I live. It will be really cool to compare what happens being our builds are close.
dawdaw
03-16-2013, 11:52 AM
Maybe by the time the shootout comes around, I'll just take the y-pipe and catback off and throw some bullets off the back of my cutout pipes and keep the electric cutouts closed. Shouldn't be that hard.
I hope it runs hard! I regularly run in 2500-3000 DA around here and I'd like to be able to break 120mph traps at Thompson Raceway Park.
It'll do it :D six speed or auto?
FlatBlackZ28
03-16-2013, 12:03 PM
It'll do it :D six speed or auto?
Auto. Performabuilt Level 2 4L60e and one of their billet converters.
FlatBlackZ28
03-16-2013, 12:09 PM
What et are you shootin for? I run in very similar DA where I live. It will be really cool to compare what happens being our builds are close.
I'd like to think the car will be capable of 10.90's on motor. I'm keeping the stall speed reasonable for street driving and I'll be running drag radials and full size tires up front. It will be a few months until I get something better than a 10-bolt in it, so I'll have to be easy on it for a while.
Realistically, if it runs 11.20's-11.30's at Thompson I'll be happy. At least I know I could probably make a few tweaks and get it to 10's from there.
Badhawk
03-16-2013, 04:42 PM
If it runs that hard in that DA with a mild converter and heavy stockers up front you better buy lloyd a few beers.
Good luck hope you meet your goals.
FlatBlackZ28
03-16-2013, 04:48 PM
If it runs that hard in that DA with a mild converter and heavy stockers up front you better buy lloyd a few beers.
Good luck hope you meet your goals.
Haha, I'll buy him a whole KEG!
Badhawk
03-16-2013, 04:51 PM
Haha, I'll buy him a whole KEG!
Hell yeah I would to.
FlatBlackZ28
03-16-2013, 04:58 PM
Got the final specs on the runners and the flow chart from Lloyd!
Intake runners are 216cc's
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg559/bkpliskin/FlowChart_zps3793db5f.png
FlatBlackZ28
03-17-2013, 01:51 PM
What do you guys think of the flow numbers? I know flow numbers aren't everything and I've heard Lloyd's bench is usually on the conservative end. I'd like to see how these stack up to everyones numbers, regardless of what head they have.
adam85
03-17-2013, 09:08 PM
So I talked to LE about your port sizes being 215 and mine 205. He said after porting so many they decided to open them up more. Not sure how much more it helps over the 205 port though. I never got a flow sheet with mine but he said they flowed about what yours did.
FlatBlackZ28
03-17-2013, 09:33 PM
So I talked to LE about your port sizes being 215 and mine 205. He said after porting so many they decided to open them up more. Not sure how much more it helps over the 205 port though. I never got a flow sheet with mine but he said they flowed about what yours did.
I'm sure there is a slight benefit. May not be a ton, but after having so much experience with a head, I'm sure he has refined his port design for these castings. Flow doesn't show the whole picture.
MEAN LT1
03-17-2013, 10:18 PM
I'm sure there is a slight benefit. May not be a ton, but after having so much experience with a head, I'm sure he has refined his port design for these castings. Flow doesn't show the whole picture.
Your right. Flow isn't everything, hit the track and see what she does. Most people think flow numbers are for advertising purposes only. Kinda like dynoes don't tell the whole truth.
FlatBlackZ28
03-18-2013, 06:09 AM
Your right. Flow isn't everything, hit the track and see what she does. Most people think flow numbers are for advertising purposes only. Kinda like dynoes don't tell the whole truth.
I just got the car hauled back to town. In a couple of days the engine will be long blocked and I can start bolting on the accessories, coil packs and exhaust. Once I get the vacuum lines and custom plug wires made it'll be ready to put in. Just have to order a crank pulley hub, spark plugs and all the pieces for my plug wires. Should be good to go after that.
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg559/bkpliskin/MyCamaro_zps3fe56371.jpg
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