Assault Weapons Ban

[95SSCamaro]

With what has happened, there has been a lot of talk about the banning of “Assault Weapons”. I don’t know about the rest of you but I enjoy guns and shooting them, my first gun was an AK 47. I have always wanted an AR 15 and I am afraid that now or the near future is the time to get one. So do you guys think this is going to happen or what?

[popo8]

Im a defense kinda guy... A hand gun I can carry on my person...concealed.

I have AR-15s available to me at work... And even three. Single/3burst full auto M14s.

Every time I would go on duty
.... Id load my cruiser with tge shotgun....staggared...buck,slug,buck,slug.....

"You know Im sugical with this bitch...."

So as far as Im concerned... I dont care.... As a billiom people said.... Gun control will only keep the law abiding from getting guns...


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[firebird_1995]

Assault weapons ban don't fix the problem they are intended to. Its easy to blame firearms on senseless killings and massacres but a human being is the one that pulls the trigger. The truth is, there are already so many high capacity clips and assault weapons on the market that people who look to commit these crimes will still have access to them regardless of any ban imposed by lawmakers. In fact, the only people that are affected by these laws are the ones that abide by the law. In the case of the recent school violence, I believe its time to set aside the new food regulations they felt were so important and implement new security measures. In the case of street violence, your best defense is arming and protecting yourself because the police can't be everywhere all the time.

[HAND HERPES]

Criminals don't follow the law. What's this gonna do? If your licensed or whatever, responsible and treat every gun as a loaded gun and only use it as Self Defense.. then you should have have the right to have one.

Everybody (bad people) think they need a gun to be bad. Nobody knows what a fist fight is anymore. They just whip out there guns and be cowards.

Here's an example from a movie lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru6wUUWopM8

[Blackbird96WS6]

Criminals don't follow the law. What's this gonna do?

Everybody (bad people) think they need a gun to be bad. Nobody knows what a fist fight is anymore. They just whip out there guns and be cowards.

Amen to that, nobody seems to want to just throw down and brawl it out anymore - and if you do, they just want to sue you for assault. It's quite disheartening the way society is nowadays.

[popo8]

I used to be able to go hands on...... :(


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[jaysz2893]

Typical knee jerk reaction from the government. The ban won't do anything but make some clueless constituents of the officials that vote for it happy. Criminals will still get automatic weapons and body armor off the ever growing black market or they will steal them from people that bought them before the ban...duhhh.. the government has put in motion so many mandates that they can't enforce. The day they took personal responsibility away from individuals and placed it on the teachers and society is when this all went wrong. Also deinstitutionalization played a big part... again things they can't keep control of. I am ready to buy an nice island with enough room for a small race track and take my guns with me.

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[meissen]

I feel both ways on the subject. I'm someone who doesn't own guns at all (although I would own a hand gun if I ever had the money to buy one and get licensed) and frankly -- from what I've been seeing on Facebook and discussed on mifbody, I don't have a good understanding of what "assault rifle" is since I've seen pictures of two rifles that look identical but one had a hand grip and so it was considered an assault rifle I guess? - so that's my disclaimer in the subject.

That said - I go both ways on assault rifles. Will the ban stop assault rifles from being purchased through the black market? Nah, I understand that... But at the same time, this Adam L kid from CT was using legally owned weapons that his mom purchased... he didn't buy them, he was just using what was available to him. But since she was an avid gun collector, even if the ban was in place would it have stopped her from owning any assault rifles? Meh, probably not. And even if there weren't any assault rifles in her possession, I'm sure she had enough other weapons that he would have been just as deadly.

Now I feel a little bit more in "support" of the high capacity magazine limit. Again, never been in that situation and I don't shoot guns so my ONLY basis for this opinion is playing Call of Duty ( :spit: :lolsign: :facepalm: ) when I hide behind an object until the guy shooting at me runs out of ammo and has to reload, that's when I pop out and shoot the sumbitch. :lol: But again... it doesn't stop folks from buying them underground, and others argue even if it were 10rnd magazines - folks just learn to be more proficient at swapping them out and will carry more magazines.

I think something definitely has to change. I don't think banning anything is going to change it - the law abiding citizens won't be able to purchase them but the guys who don't care about the law as much will still buy them. I want to say I think we should have stricter background and psych eval checks on weapons purchasing... but again, people would just buy the weapons illegally to bypass that... And in that case, IMHO, whoever legally owned the weapon last should be held just as liable as the new (illegal) owner who murdered someone unless you can show proof of legitimate/legal sale -- and in that case, it should follow chain of custody until someone can't prove they sold it legally.

As much as I'm not a gun person, I think the only real fix is for everyone to arm up so that people would have to think twice. The gun-free zones are just target practice for someone wanting to cause mayhem. It was floating around Facebook that some guy tried to duplicate the theater massacre but he was stopped dead when a gun-toting Texan shot him as he opened fire. Frankly it seems that's the only way it'll really be fixed.


But in the end - we all knew this was coming. For the past 4 years all we've heard was that Obama wanted to take away people's guns. As Rahm Emanuel (was Obama's Chief of Staff) once said - "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," and what better opportunity to push your gun ban while the country is completely polarized on the subject at the death of over 20 kindergartners.

[MeanTA]

I am a strong supporter of guns. I own them, and will always do so. I don't feel banning a gun will fix anything. If a criminal wants a gun they will get it.

I think we should adopt a law the requires all gun owners to take classes on how to operate and use a gun before taking ownership.

The assult rifle ban is stupid over this shooting. from my understand. that gun was never used in the shootings. plus civilian "assult rifles" are just glorified semi auto rifles. far from a true assult rifle.

i say keep more good civilians armed. a nut or criminal is less likely to do something stupid. if they know theres guns waiting for them on the other side of a door.

I have a Glock 17/19, S&W 45, and a 870 tatical 12 gauge. In my home and there always loaded. in a safe except i always keep one of my hand guns next to me at night.

a rifle isn't going to keep killings down or make the world less deadly. if i had a choice in what gun to use in a confined space. It wouldnt be a assult rifle. it would be a 12 gauge and hand guns. my point is targeting one type of gun or guns in general isn't going to fix anything.

[popo8]

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[95SSCamaro]

I agree here, banning assault weapons is not the answer. Oneof the arguments that people have that are pro for it is that they are not usedin hunting (which is BS) and people get them just because they can. Well that’slike saying that we are going to ban cars that have over 400HP because you can’tyou that much on the street and people don’t need them. There should be some sort of training classesthat you have to go to, but I don’t think that it’s going to work, here in FLthe class to get your concealed is a joke and they don’t teach you anything. Nomatter what they do the criminals are still going to get their hands on guys, that’swhy there are criminals.

[Madman337]

Banning these so called "assault weapons" is not the answer and I just read this from the man who is going to be leading the charge to ban them Senator Mike Thompson. D-Napa Ca.

"There is absolutely no reason why people should have access to military-type assault weapons or assault magazines. They serve no sporting purpose, they aid criminals, and they open the door to mass shootings like the one we're mourning in Newtown," Thompson said Monday in response to this newspaper's survey of California House members on gun issues.. He said he supported a "comprehensive approach to reduce gun violence," including detailed background checks, meaningful mental health improvements, strict firearm registration rules, assault weapon bans and assault clip bans.



I feel like I should apologize for the dummys we have here in this state that want to nanny the rest of us to death every time I hear them speak because the same people who want to ban guns ect still want to be able to carry what ever they want and the laws do not apply to them.
Ted Kennedys car has killed more people than any of my firearms.
So again I say " I am sorry for our law makers without brains trying to make the rest of our nation into California"

[Madman337]

Criminals don't follow the law. What's this gonna do? If your licensed or whatever, responsible and treat every gun as a loaded gun and only use it as Self Defense.. then you should have have the right to have one.

Everybody (bad people) think they need a gun to be bad. Nobody knows what a fist fight is anymore. They just whip out there guns and be cowards.

Here's an example from a movie lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru6wUUWopM8

One of the funniest movies I have ever seen :)

[Mystery Bird]

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Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

That's hillarious.

[BIG CAT]

assault weapons ban will not fix this country's problems.

[CamaroZGuy]

assault weapons ban will not fix this country's problems.

smart people know this, but the majority of the country are mindless followers...it makes me sick..

[spikester7878]

being military,law enforcement and currently interning at department of homeland security I can say most of the people who really protect this country think this is a joke. The fact that our so called president thinks this is going to solve or "help" the problem is a joke. The current state of our government is one of the main contributing factors that I decided to get out of the military.

[spikester7878]

I am going to put it this way. this kind of ban is going to turn MANY otherwise law abiding citizens to do something illegal. A pistol is to protect yourself, a shot gun is to protect your home, and a rifle is to protect you from anyone who wants to take them away

[Madman337]

I am going to put it this way. this kind of ban is going to turn MANY otherwise law abiding citizens to do something illegal. A pistol is to protect yourself, a shot gun is to protect your home, and a rifle is to protect you from anyone who wants to take them away

^..This Xs2

[Bersaglieri]

"There is absolutely no reason why people should have access to military-type assault weapons or assault magazines... ....assault weapon bans and assault clip bans."




Assault weapson? Assault clips? Assault magazines? :whatever:


I'm gonna try not to get neck deep in this shit pool, but the sheer ignorance, lack of knowledge, and fear of the unknown I've seen from Americans lately is embarrassing. I bought a rifle a few weeks back because I saw this on the horizon. I was going to wait to buy it, but I'm glad I didn't because they have gone up in price dramitically and down in availibility. Soon they'll probably be outlawed.

Crazies can kill people eleventy billion ways and no special "non-assault clips" are going to save or protect people any more than normal "assault clips". Same with any other limits on assault this or assault that or clips or whatever the hell else people come up with.

Let me pose this simple question. I considered the situation as if my wife or girlfriend works at a school. How do you protect people who cannot protect themselves? If the faculty are unarmed and the students are defenseless how do you limit damage or prevent it? Do you limit 1% of the weapons crazies can choose from? Now they only have 990 ways of killing people instead of 1000? What if he constructs a coat with 8 revolver holsters or has 5 "hunting" guns in a duffle bag...uh-oh. If there were no guns anywhere for that crazy to get, would he have carried out his actions? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he would have said 'aw shucks, guess I'll just not be crazy anymore since I can't find any assualt clips over 10 rounds". Maybe he decides to create a mobile IED in a uhaul and drives it through the cafeteria wall and now there are 100 graves to dig. Crap, now you've got to regulate assault uhauls.

Or do you think your wife would have a better chance to live by arming herself or being protected by someone who is armed? No? Well then where are all the mass shootings at police stations? Sure a crazy might want suicide by cop, but he's not going to find defenseless people inside a station, he's going to find trained officers returning the 'favor' 3 or 4 to 1. In this situation the person or people armed for protection MUST be trained, otherwise you're better off throwing coke cans at the crazy.

Another thing I think about in regards to this latest situation. Where did the system break down? I've heard the kid tried to buy a gun but was either turned away or didn't want to wait for the background check. If that's true, then the system worked here. Now how did he get mom's guns?; that's the first break down. No law could have fixed that, it seems to be an issue of responsibility. I'm jumping the gun on this but if that's the case didnt her lack of responsibility enable this situation more so than assault clips?

I'd better stop now or I'll go on forever. This situation bothers me alot. But there is no perfect solution. Crazies are going to be crazy regardless of what you outlaw or ban. But I believe unarming law bidding citizens will lead to slaughter rather than protection. Look at Mexico, it's unarmed citizens can do nothing as an armed corrupt government "protects" them against various heavily armed criminal organizations.

[shownomercy]

The lady headlining the new AWB and who also got the previous ban during Clinton in place... used to be a CCP in Kali until someone found out and then, oops.

Take away the publics guns, but I need a personal gun. Politics, sucks.

I will buy a few odds and ends before the new year and just ride out the storm.

[30thSSclone]

I just cant wait till i turn 21 and can buy a pistol and get my CCW

[dkd1990]

Popo has it dead right with the picture. Aren't drugs illegal in this country? Look how many stoners and dope heads there are out there. My wife saw on facebook a stat that x amount of people were shot in certain countries. Japan had thritysomething deaths related to guns. Last I knew it was illegal to own one in Japan. How did those guns get there? Hmmm

[94Blackbird]

Popo has it dead right with the picture. Aren't drugs illegal in this country? Look how many stoners and dope heads there are out there. My wife saw on facebook a stat that x amount of people were shot in certain countries. Japan had thritysomething deaths related to guns. Last I knew it was illegal to own one in Japan. How did those guns get there? Hmmm

The biggest problem is that people aren't willing to accept the fact that there are truly evil people in the world anymore. They have bought into the liberal/progressive shitshake that "everyone is exactly the same, nobody is bad, and it is the inanimate objects that cause the problems, so we have to take them away for your saftey. Oh, and here's a bribe so you will ignore us trampling all over your rights"

[95SSCamaro]

A good video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o

[95SSCamaro]

And this is the other side, this bitch is high if she thinks this is going to stop people from killing with guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6gqGDN9rw0

[Chris]

I stopped by my local shop today to pick up an IWB for my glock. These guys were marking all of their inventory, taking it all out of the cases and back into their boxes. I asked if they were having a sale or something and he said no, the federal goverment wants our guns, said nothing more about it...... A law was passed in Michigan today?

[Bersaglieri]

http://www.ksat.com/news/Officers-recognized-for-heroic-efforts-at-theater-shooting/-/478452/17838678/-/1hq7d5z/-/index.html (http://www.ksat.com/news/Officers-recognized-for-heroic-efforts-at-theater-shooting/-/478452/17838678/-/1hq7d5z/-/index.html)Without someone with a gun and training, how would this have ended?

[firebird_1995]

I stopped by my local shop today to pick up an IWB for my glock. These guys were marking all of their inventory, taking it all out of the cases and back into their boxes. I asked if they were having a sale or something and he said no, the federal goverment wants our guns, said nothing more about it...... A law was passed in Michigan today?

The awb of '94 really didn't keep anyone from owning assault weapons or high cap clips. It banned the MANUFACTURING of them and allowed all previously made weapons to be grandfathered in. This made the price of "pre-ban" guns go through the roof. Id say they are packing them away to make out like bandits later when the prices go up.

[95SSCamaro]

The awb of '94 really didn't keep anyone from owning assault weapons or high cap clips. It banned the MANUFACTURING of them and allowed all previously made weapons to be grandfathered in. This made the price of "pre-ban" guns go through the roof. Id say they are packing them away to make out like bandits later when the prices go up.

Its sad that people would do that but thats what is happening. Anything to do with AW ( Mag's, Ammo, and Parts) is being packed away for :bigmoney: later down the road.

[Chris]

It was rifles or anything mainly all the handguns. Not just glicks and imported stuff. Smith andcwesson so far

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[30thSSclone]

There isn't a store within 100 miles that has a AR in stock that isn't a. 22LR

[95SSCamaro]

i whent to the range/ gun store around me and all they that were Highend AR's like $2k and up all the other ones were sold.

[Madman337]

And this is the other side, this bitch is high if she thinks this is going to stop people from killing with guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6gqGDN9rw0

Her and Pelosi are partly responsible for making Cali into the nanny state it is now and these people will never stop until they get what they want and that is laws and regulation that applies to everybody but them and their friends, I have heard that she has a CCW but an honest law abiding person here cant get one.
Again I apologize for my state lawmakers, I am ashamed of them.

[gojo83]

I will say this I am a military veteran that was raised on a farm... just so my background is explained. I learned how to use a gun when i was 8 years old I went to hunter safety at the age at 10. i was raised to respect the gun as a tool not as a toy or a game like the kids today are learning that they are. I am not going to say that call of duty is the problem but i am pretty sure it is not helping. Now onto the ban aspect what good is a ban going to do??? It is simply going to hurt those that want to take care of their property and protect their family worse case scenario. I grew up with an unlocked 9 mm that I could have tucked away and went off at school as i was the kid that got picked on but you know what there is something that is called personal responsibility and that is the BIGGEST thing that is missing in this country but I had it and had a respect for the tool.

I will prolly piss alot of people off saying this but... when you want to boil all these issues down it is the break down of the family unit and the societal trend to give God and religion the cold shoulder... There is no set good and bad and that now there is so many shades of gray but even if you want to say there is gray area there is polar ideas that are right and wrong.

Getting to the assault rifle aspect of this issue yes the guns can fire rounds super quick but you can do the same with a .22 or a shotgun so where is the line? Lets be honest if you are going to flip and kill alot of people a pistol with a high cap mag will do more damage and death then a "assault rifle" because of the compact size. Secondly the only way i could justify that a NEW assault rifle could be a super threat is that it had a modified lower receiver to allow 3 round burst or full auto but the fact is the new ones dont have that and if it is modified to have it then it is illegal and then you could say it was probable cause. As for the clips it is really easy and fast to swap clips even a 10 round clip if duct taped to each other. if someone is planning to do something like this it is not like they will go in half cocked. there is alot of planning that goes into it.

As for the fact that his mom took him to the range that is being demonized but lets me honest had this kid not been mentally sick this skill would have suited him well. I am going to say that knowledge is power and if kids had a chance to learn about them and let the fear that is running all this reduce then i think things could very well have different outcomes. I am sure some of you know that to disable a Beretta 9 mm jam your hand in the action and it wont fire but if that was widely known maybe some things could be changed.

As for me I am dipping into my saving and picking up a bushmaster and I got a LCP the other day as a CCW gun. I will not go down with out a fight.

Finally I will say if you think gun control works do some research on hitler and gun control and 1933 and tell me how an unarmed nation will be a better thing.

I could go into the whole mentally disturbed aspect as i am currently and have for the past 4 years worked for and with the mentally ill and some that are physically disabled and I would be willing to bet that if you had a group of ppl. The difference not immediately visible.

I could go into the issue about fienstein she is not living in the realm of reality.

[30thSSclone]

My brother just got on a waiting list and is #61 for a ar-15

[popo8]

I have a friend selling a few ARs... If u are serious...pm.me ur number ill have him call u.


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[30thSSclone]

I have a friend selling a few ARs... If u are serious...pm.me ur number ill have him call u.


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com we live in missouri and my brother cant get one till tax returns

[firebird_1995]

You know a few years ago I gave my brother in law a Yugo ak47 underfolder for mowing my grass for the year. Id hate to see what its worth now....

[popo8]

You know a few years ago I gave my brother in law a Yugo ak47 underfolder for mowing my grass for the year. Id hate to see what its worth now....

Lol...


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[firebird_1995]

Curiosity got the best of me. Had $250 in it. They're going for a cool grand now. Ouch!

[95SSCamaro]

we live in missouri and my brother cant get one till tax returns

Im in the same boat, I hope there are still some left by then.


Curiosity got the best of me. Had $250 in it. They're going for a cool grand now. Ouch!

Dam!!

[BIG CAT]

had the "family" out of the safe for some cleaning today.:D
13759

[30thSSclone]

Well, i sold my blackpowder today. So i am going to get a XD9 subcompact this week :D

[BIG CAT]

Well, i sold my blackpowder today. So i am going to get a XD9 subcompact this week :D


when you get it check out these guys.;)
http://www.powderriverprecision.com/

[30thSSclone]

Just got the XD9! My first handgun...and it is sweet

[Chris]

Thats awesome your dad lets you shoot his XD :thumbup:

No ones trying to pick on you. Just trying to cover your ass.

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[FSTFBDY]

I agree with the above posted. gun bands only help the criminals who dont care and break laws no matter what. If mr.xxx wants a gun to go postal he will get one at anyway he can.

and I can't believe 30thSSclone. Do you do burnouts / street race / etc right in from of cops? etc..
WTF would you post on an open forum you paid your dad to illegally buy a gun for you. You should have just said my DAD just bought a XD9 and man its awesome of him to take me shooting with him. This is a nice gun. and as soon as i turn 21 It will be gifted to me. Then left it at that. Instead you have to keep on going with how its not how you feel , its ok he did it , you drive around to go shoot it , etc..

Im not trying to be a jerk but damm dude you just put you and your family/dad in a bad spot if anything did happen. Its all in black n white right in from of the laws face from you.

all that being said Ive owned everything from glocks, AR15 to a real 1919. I can see obama tryin to doing a mag capacity , ban , or even TAXing the shit out of brass , etc..

[popo8]

Cleaned up...

[BLK95-Z]

I just happened to get my first ar15 the week before the school shooting. Now Im basicaly hooked and this whole panic buying/assault weapon ban is really making it hard to finish buying the few things I need. Some of the prices have gone so high Im tempted to sell what I have and build another one when prices come back down.

After shooting it I can totally see why we dont need crazy people having access to them.... but IMO it should be the same for shotguns or pistols. The other 99.9% of gun owners who responsably collect and shoot these rifles shouldnt have to suffer or loose them all together. They will never stop mass murders or random acts of violence from crazy people, they will always find a way.

[Chris]

All year I've been wanting to start a project with one now it seems I've waited too long. Ohwell back to wanting a duck gun!

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[firebird_1995]

I would be surprised if they DONT have an assault weapons ban in the near future. Hopefully its no worse that the awb of 94 and has the built in 10 year sunset date. That's about the best case scenario in my opinion as far as an "ban" is concerned. Hopefully they will push for more security for schools instead but in cases like this, the general public, who has never even seen a firearm before, wants to see action, and the quickest and most satisfying thing legislation can offer them is a "ban".

[30thSSclone]

Cleaned up...
Thanks

[z_speedfreak]

won't happen(thankfully as guns aren't the problem) arms companies are part of the Military Industrial Complex and the MIC calls the shots, nationally & globally. they buy politicians wholesale.

[Madman337]

I wanted the dogs to quiet down so I put on the speech from the President about the new gun legislation he wants passed and this was the end result........

14565The good news is that they finally got something meaningful done, they put my dogs to sleep and for that I will be eternally grateful.