Baddass93TA's Build Thread......Brought to you by Fastbird Performance

[Fastbird]

Steve dropped this beauty off today. One of the cleaner examples of a 93 out there. Really really in great shape.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0283-1.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0282.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0285.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0284.jpg

As you can see there's a transmission sitting there. Here's what this came into me for work for"

A4 to M6 Swap including a new Spec 3+ clutch and billet flywheel.
C6 Front Brake Swap
Strange 12 Bolt swap (on order)
Subframe connectors
Lower Control Arms
Panhard Bar
LCA Relocation Brackets
Power Steering Pump swap
MSD Opti Swap
Electric Water Pump
NGK TR55 Plugs
new Taylor OTVC Wires

And just tidying up some minor stuff like a new drivers window motor, tail light issue (probably sockets), and misc minor maintenance stuff. This is going to be a 4-5 week project due to it's a side job from my regular jobs, but I'll be keeping regular updates in this thread.

[Tyler Wheat]

Subscribed!

[biggriff]

nice....

[CamaroZGuy]

That car looks good!

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[Fastbird]

That car looks good!

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Yeah, the car is in amazing condition. He's only put like 20k miles on it in 11 years he said today. It sits inside a lot and he's at the point where he wants to make it fun to drive so he can enjoy it more. This is only the beginning.

[CamaroZGuy]

A good wright up on the trans swap would be awesome! This is something i really have been thinking about.

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[biggriff]

i want one, should sell my Z and get one...but ive done sooo much already....hate to start over...

[BaddAss93TA]

glad to see this is up already! thanks for the kind words guys. this is long over due. That M29 has been sitting in my garage for about 2 years, haha.

[Neil350]

That car is still as clean as I remember it from speeddensity.ord, surprised he still has it. Does it still have the JL Audio system in it? That car always stood out in my mind because it's the only 93 TA I have seen with t-tops.

[Puck]

Early LT1 TAs have got to be the hottest fourth gen F-bodies. Kudos for keeping your's so clean.

[Tyler Wheat]

Take pics of the C6 brake swap? I'm excited to see that

[BaddAss93TA]

That car is still as clean as I remember it from speeddensity.ord, surprised he still has it. Does it still have the JL Audio system in it? That car always stood out in my mind because it's the only 93 TA I have seen with t-tops.

yup, still has the sound system. has a double din touch screen nav now too. :)

[The SRZ]

You only have 20K on that car?! Did I read that right? DAYUMN! Clean indeed and I remember the car from the SD days too. Sean if you did a window write up that'd be great too. But I'm sure there are some out there on the net somewhere. Goto to do both of mine and retint the windows this winter.

[Fastbird]

Silas, its got like 95k on it....he's only put about 20k under his ownership.

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[Fastbird]

Update --- 95% of the automatic stuff has been relieved of it's duty!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0287.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0288.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0290.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0293.jpg

And I'm going to just say that it was a PITA pushing the car from the lift to where it is now.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0291.jpg

So next up, starting on Wednesday, I'll be pulling the steering column, pedal assembly, and drivers seat in order to get the master cylinder for the clutch in place. Once that's done I'll get the floor pan cut for the shifter. I'm anticipating having the Manual transmission back in the car Sunday if the clutch comes in. I will be posting some up close pics when it comes time to do the wiring for the trans.

[F.G.]

Badass. Definately going to follow this.

[Fastbird]

Made a lot of progress today. I'm actually done with the removal and am on to the installation part.

Taking the steering rack out some folks say isn't necessary, but for the 20 minutes it took, it frees up SO much room to work under the dash.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0294.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0295.jpg

Pedal assembly out!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0297.jpg

In case you're curious about what an automatic pedal assembly looks like. I transfered the brake switches over to the M6 assembly since they're KNOWN good items, just in case.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0296.jpg

So, no pics here, but under six hours into it I'm on to the installation. I made a cardboard template for the master cylinder mounting points, but was stopped due to lack of a 1 5/8 or larger hole saw. Hoping between Saturday and Sunday to have the car ready to drive as a Manual. BUT, we gotta order new flywheel bolts, clutch bolts, waiting for the clutch to come in, so........who knows. Steve isn't in a big rush which helps for sure. I won't be back on it until maybe saturday night but more than likely sunday morning again. Coming along good so far, no issues at all.

[popo8]

Great work Sean!!!!

[CamaroZGuy]

Im really looking forward to a detailed wright up.... :D

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[Fastbird]

Played hookey from Citi today........too many computer issues pissed me off enough to leave. Ran a couple of errands, and then got to it. Not a lot of time on it today, but I did get the Master Cylinder installed.

First up.....THIS as seen below didn't work out. I made a template, made sure it fit the M/C, but no bueno.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0298.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0299.jpg

Then I had an epiphany.......Put the pedal assembly in, use the lower part of the bracket for the pedals as a guide, drill, boom goes the dynamite. See now:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0300.jpg

So that's my recommendation if you take this task on. Put the new M6 pedal assembly in, and drill the firewall using the pedal bracket as a guide. Use a 1 3/4" hole saw and an appropriately sized drill bit for the U-Bolt. Yes, this makes you take the booster on and off a couple of times but the pain is WELL worth it.

[CamaroZGuy]

this is awesome! MOR PICS!!! :D

[Fastbird]

Hahaha, I'm going to tackle the majority of the electrical stuff tomorrow hopefully. Fortunately I think I have all connectors needed.....screw paying GM $15 each for pigtails. Actually scratch that. Probably won't hit the electrical wiring until the trans is in the car so I can get the lengths right. Gonna do some tidying and cleaning up on what's done so far.

But I will reiterate this. Put the new pedals in the car first, then drill the firewall holes based on the lower bracket like in the third pic. Makes a perfect guide, no guess work, just easy working.

[CamaroZGuy]

Ya, im hoping it will be easier with no motor im the car.

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[Fastbird]

So pedal assembly is all done save for attaching the master cylinder to the pedal (waiting to get clutch in and bolted up, this way I don't over extend anything by pressing the pedal). Steering column went right back in, but with the aftermarket alarm, what a freaking rats nest of wiring under there.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0302.jpg

And I had to relocate the alarm siren as it was residing where the master cylinder reservoir is supposed to be. Just a little chunk of aluminum and everything was happily installed.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0301.jpg

Pulled the three sensors off the trans today and brought them home. Have a plug for the backup light, but the other two sensors (vss and reverse lockout) are some kind of specific part that I need to try to find, or mod the two pin connectors I already have.........don't worry there WILL be a nice write up.

Still have to cut the floor pan.

[CamaroZGuy]

i am waiting on your write up, but i came across this, its for a LS car but i think the basics should be about the same.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/0705gm_transmission_swap/photo_01.html

[Fastbird]

I'm sourcing connectors right now. Finally found a supplier so I can get what I need (for LOTS of new things too!!!) except for one single connector that's integral to doing this properly. No one stocks it except one place and they have a min $200 order. FML.

No clutch yet. Taking it easy until that comes in. Probably sunday there will be a major update.

[SchaefZ28]

Beautiful TA! I'm looking forward to seeing the brake swap ;)

What connector are you having trouble finding?

[Fastbird]

The clutch switch connector. I have 3 delphi part numbers that would work, but it's such a unutilized piece that no one stocks it or if they do there's a shit ton minimum order. My plan is to make a very close to plug and play "M6 Swap Harness Kit" for MUCH cheaper than sourcing the GM connectors at $15-20 each, but if I don't get these specific connectors then I can't do it, and I do NOT like doing hack jobs or rigged connections on someone else's car.

It's odd because I see places selling pigtails that are obviously in-house made for the clutch switch, but I for the life of me can't find the supplier.

Side note, keep your eyes peeled for new harness stuff from me everyone. Mouser and I are about to get very familiar. Opti Harnesses, Pigtails for ECT Conversions, and some other fun stuff is planned.........

[popo8]

Sean..Madman337 is partin out that whote ta...pocs look like its a 6spd


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[Fastbird]

Found what I need. Just had to order an extraordinary amount of them. No biggie, just means that my cost basis is very very low per unit. Just have to find one more obscure connector and I'll be able to make a plug and play conversion harness.

[CamaroZGuy]

Do you know if your plug and play harness would work with a 24x harness that is set up for a 4l60e?

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[Fastbird]

It will if I can find a connector for the PNP connector. If I can find a male plug that fits the female connector at the harness end, I'll be golden. BUT.......I thorough search of Delphi's website showed me nothing. I found the connector used on the car harness, but couldn't find a male counterpart. I've got a request into Delphi right now for more info.......more to come.

Steve sent me a message today. Spec clutch was shipped from Spec today, so there should be a thrash to get the trans in the car this coming weekend (possibly saturday night, most likely Sunday though).

[Tyler Wheat]

The clutch switch connector. I have 3 delphi part numbers that would work, but it's such a unutilized piece that no one stocks it or if they do there's a shit ton minimum order. My plan is to make a very close to plug and play "M6 Swap Harness Kit" for MUCH cheaper than sourcing the GM connectors at $15-20 each, but if I don't get these specific connectors then I can't do it, and I do NOT like doing hack jobs or rigged connections on someone else's car.

It's odd because I see places selling pigtails that are obviously in-house made for the clutch switch, but I for the life of me can't find the supplier.

Side note, keep your eyes peeled for new harness stuff from me everyone. Mouser and I are about to get very familiar. Opti Harnesses, Pigtails for ECT Conversions, and some other fun stuff is planned.........

Sch-weet! I forgot to get back to you. I received the O2 harnesses on Tuesday. You make a nice product. I was impressed!

A line-lock is next on my list from you! Someday my friend.

[Fastbird]

Good stuff man, I was wondering about that. Thanks for the feedback!

[Fastbird]

Still waiting on a clutch. And a couple of wiring component deliveries. Gonna make this thing as close to factory as possible, or factory ish. There is NO male version of the PNP connector for the A4 harness......so there will be no plug and play kit in the future. But there WILL be a full M6 swap pigtail kit coming out soon for you guys.

I am also going to be wiring up the reverse lockout solenoid using the TCC harness, a simple one wire cut and one wire repin on the factory ECM connector and it'll function like normal. Hell, I'll be doing this to my car too! More to come once I get rolling on it.

[CamaroZGuy]

well this weekend i plan on getting started on pulling all my a4 stuff. its going ti suck since i cant get in the driver side of my car...

[Fastbird]

well this weekend i plan on getting started on pulling all my a4 stuff. its going ti suck since i cant get in the driver side of my car...

You'll be fine. I got the A4 out of Steve's car without opening a door. Just the shifter cable is all that was attached to the inside of the car. Do yourself a favor and get under the hood and free up the TV cable first. Then you can pull the tranny out and down with the TV cable attached.

[Tyler Wheat]

Do we have a clutch?

[Fastbird]

Not yet. I was going to slide in today and cut the trans tunnel open but got sick yesterday.......been bedridden since about 5 last night and just woke up.

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[Tyler Wheat]

Aww shucks!

Hope you get to feeling better!

[Fastbird]

Clutch and Flywheel are supposed to be delivered tomorrow. Also expecting a LARGE electrical parts delivery tomorrow and Wednesday. Meaning.......most likely transmission prep on Wednesday for a Sunday morning install. My back has been pretty bad and I'm still not 100% over whatever bug I got.

HOWEVER.......

I did get the floor pan in Steve's car opened up today. I didn't remove the seats or carpet, so I used an air chisel with a special "nibbler" attachment......cuts just like a nibbler. Nice and straight until yours truly let it twist........the back cut is a mess but I"ll be cleaning that up. Good news is that the pan is cut. No pics, I was running out of time and had to do some MX to my own car.

[Fastbird]

Ok got some work done today!!!!!

First up, Steve had requested a shot of the underside without the trans or anything. Not the best shot, only had my phone on me.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0322.jpg

Now on to some new clutch goodness. A Spec 3+ and Spec Billet Flywheel, in preps for future mods. ARP flywheel bolts were used during the installation.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0319.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/Untitled.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0321.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0325.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0326.jpg

Lo and behold! Yeah, it's a six speed. And it's in the car.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0330.jpg

The 6 speed crossmember was cracked.......fixed that nicely. But found a much larger problem while prepping the trans for the install. Imagine my surprise when I popped off the shifter to find this:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0327.jpg

Yes, this is a big concern. To the point that we're searching for a new rear section of the trans case.

So that's it until Sunday. But........come Sunday, I'll be finalizing all the electrical stuff for the trans swap, and will probably make a very large dent in the brake swap. The electrical stuff will be very meticulously documented *cough Tony cough*. My new connector supply came in and they're exact fits.........all is well in LTx land for me today.

[Tyler Wheat]

Ouch!

Did you pull the shifter to put a good one in it, or just checking things out? Either way, good thing you caught it. Sucks to have a set back, but you're cruising right along with this project.

[CamaroZGuy]

moving right along! but sucks about the rear section...if you want i could check out the f-body scrap yard we got around here see if they got one.
hopefully by the end of the month im mocking/prepping with my t56 :D

[Fastbird]

It was shipped with a stock shifter on it as a cover plate I can only presume because the stick was cut off. A Pro 5.0 and short stick is going on in lieu of the stock stuff.

Tony, if you could check, that would be awesome man. I'd gladly yank the trans back out to swap out the tail housing for a good piece.

[CamaroZGuy]

It was shipped with a stock shifter on it as a cover plate I can only presume because the stick was cut off. A Pro 5.0 and short stick is going on in lieu of the stock stuff.

Tony, if you could check, that would be awesome man. I'd gladly yank the trans back out to swap out the tail housing for a good piece.

wrote my self a not to call them in the morning...was there any difference between the different t56's use for the f-bodies? or would any off a 93-97 work?

[Fastbird]

I think any 93-97 would work.....possibly even the lsx stuff too thinking about it.

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[Tyler Wheat]

The electrical stuff will be very meticulously documented *cough Tony cough*. My new connector supply came in and they're exact fits.........all is well in LTx land for me today.

Can you meticulously document the C6 brake swap?

[Fastbird]

I can try.

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[BaddAss93TA]

Can you meticulously document the C6 brake swap?

There are a ton of good writeups on this. The C6 kit is almost identical to the C5 swap, just a slightly different caliper. The same write up can be used.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/898636-lt1-c5-front-brake-conversion-write-up.html

Here is a parts list for you as well.

http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?showtopic=8196

[CamaroZGuy]

i got a call in to the scrap yard and they are taking a look to see what they got.

[Fastbird]

i got a call in to the scrap yard and they are taking a look to see what they got.

Tony, thanks man, but Steve alreade found a new piece and has it ordered. I got the text earlier today.

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[CamaroZGuy]

Tony, thanks man, but Steve alreade found a new piece and has it ordered. I got the text earlier today.

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that's cool! i called around to a few places and they want crazy f'ing prices!

[Spartan7]

You may want to consider bracing the firewall where the MC bolts in. A few of us swappers have had issues with the firewall cracking, since A4 cars don't have the reinforcement that M6 cars do in that area.

[Fastbird]

You may want to consider bracing the firewall where the MC bolts in. A few of us swappers have had issues with the firewall cracking, since A4 cars don't have the reinforcement that M6 cars do in that area.

I thought about it but my car has been swapped since 2002 and is fine.

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[Fastbird]

So waiting on some parts to come in. Specifically the extension housing for the T56 since all the bolt holes in the one in the car are FUBAR. Good news is that looking at the service manual, that back piece comes right off. Don't know if I can do it on the car yet or not.

Also.....I figured out a way to make the T56 swap harness a kit and damn near plug and play. I'm waiting on parts to come in, but it's gonna be slick and clean when it's done, with a minimal amount of work to be done by the end user. You guys should like it.

Going in later today to start on the brake swap (get the spindles torn off and down prepped for cutting) and get some measurements for the wiring length.

We're expecting the rear end to be delivered tomorrow. We're getting down to crunch time now as almost all parts needed are accounted for.

*Edit* Got hosed today. Grandma surprised dripped my son off while my wife was out for an unexpectedly long amount of time. It was after 6 PM when she got home. No bueno.

[CamaroZGuy]

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac278/A_Roubal/2012-11-18_20-05-40_616.jpg

is this where the MC will mount?

[Fastbird]

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac278/A_Roubal/2012-11-18_20-05-40_616.jpg

is this where the MC will mount?

Yep. Trust me when I say do like I figured out and mount the pedals first, then drill your holes. Use a 1 3/4" hole saw and the pedal bracket as a guide, you can't go wrong.

[CamaroZGuy]

sweet! i cant wait to get my parts!

[Fastbird]

Ok, today was good! Made an ENORMOUS dent in the C6 brake swap. Dent as in all I have left to do is put the calipers, pads, and hoses on the car. Here's how things went down:

First up, get the car up on jackstands, and remove the caliper, bracket, and wheel bearing/hub assembly. You can remove the knuckle from the car if you want, I chose not to. This is what you end up with:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0337.jpg

The ears that the original caliper mount to have gotta go. Here is me marking out where to cut for the bottom one:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0338.jpg

Removed. I used a 4" grinder and metal grinding disc.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0339.jpg

At this point I could hang the new caliper bracket mount. You can see how in the way the upper ear is, and this hanging of the bracket wasn't possible with the lower ear in place:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0341.jpg

Upper ear marked for cutoff. A note here. The 4" grinder was PERFECT to come straight in at the marked line. Straight through and a very very clean cut on the top ear.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0342.jpg

Removed.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0343.jpg

Braking goodness going into place. The other side is at the exact same point right now. Brakes will be done wednesday if I can find another caliper pin boot (only have three here).

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0344.jpg

I LITERALLY had under 2 hours to get into it this far. This is a VERY straight forward and easy swap if you have the right tools.

[Fastbird]

In other news..........this is a VERY expensive box:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0345.jpg

And I got home to find this:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0346.jpg

Though oddly enough, the bolt holes for the shifter are there, but not tapped. Yaay.

[CamaroZGuy]

that's crazy that the tail shaft is not tapped!

[BaddAss93TA]

open the box! open the box! hahaha. Looks good Sean!

[CamaroZGuy]

open the box! open the box! hahaha. Looks good Sean!

its not Christmas yet!

[popo8]

open the box! open the box! hahaha. Looks good Sean!


LOL....

[Fastbird]

Lots of work today!

First up, I'm stuck on the brakes right now. No pad shims, and only have 3 of the 4 necessary caliper pin boots. Parts on order, will resume brake job on Monday. So I turned to the front of the motor today.

Here's a quick write up on converting from a stock to electric water pump.

Out with the old:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0347.jpg

The new making a first appearance:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0349.jpg

First thing we're going to do is removed the six bolts holding the cover plate on. This gets you access to the guts of the water pump.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0350.jpg

BE CAUTIOUS when removing the cover plate. There is a seal that you need to retain for use with the Meziere EWP.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0355.jpg

Guts:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0351.jpg

Looking down on the impeller, use a punch and a hammer on the center section. It's the head of the bearing/drive assembly. You'll have to support the top side of the water pump with it sitting on a table, but a few sharp strikes should knock the bearing/drive assembly out as seen below:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0352.jpg

You'll need a press as far as I can tell to get the collar out of the water pump. It's still seated in this pic:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0353.jpg

And removed in this pic. Surprisingly enough, it's kind of a damper as it's spring loaded and the impeller rides against it.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0354.jpg

Water pump all cleaned up (Thanks parts washer!) and the freeze plug installed from the INSIDE of the pump:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0356.jpg

Remember that seal I was talking about? Clean it off, and put it on the Meziere housing:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0358.jpg

Bolt it back up and you're ready to rock!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0359.jpg

[Fastbird]

And here's what I found under the water pump. I couldn't pinpoint any leak. It looks more like years of crud build up than anything.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0360.jpg

This is MUCH nicer:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0361.jpg

And got stuck here:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0363.jpg

Reason being, the MSD Opti upper bolt mounting points are about 1/2" thick......too thick to allow the stock bolts to work. So Friday morning when I stop by the dealership to pick up the caliper pin boot, I'm going to hit up Fastenal and see if they have the proper flange head bolts I need in the right length.

Still have to swap the power steering pump, but the block is prepped already for the water pump to go back on. UNFORTUNATELY, I think his steering rack is shot. As I was twisting things around back and forth when working on the brakes, it was making god awful noises and puked some fluid out of the drivers side inner tie rod area. More to come on that.

And NO, I have not opened the Rear End Box yet. :D Save the best for last.

[Tyler Wheat]

The MSD didn't come with the right bolts?

[Badbird_96]

Nice work Sean looks good

[Fastbird]

The MSD didn't come with the right bolts?

I think it was second hand.

Posted from my Rooted and ICS'd Rezound

[Tyler Wheat]

Aaahhh that makes sense.

[Fastbird]

Ok, picked up water pump gaskets and 2 1/2" long 1/4" 20 thread bolts for the two that were too short on the MSD opti. Tomorrow will see the front of the motor buttoned back up with new power steering pump installed too.

And here's a preview of what I've been working on for an M6 swap harness kit.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Phone%20Uploads/IMAG0366.jpg

It's truly almost plug and play. It's not assembled here because I want to get the right on car measurements for the reverse lights. But what you're seeing is two separate harnesses. The one with the blue connector is same size as factory 10 gauge wiring for the clutch safety switch. The other one is for the backup lights and Park/Neutral switch for the hatch/cruise operation. The white plug you see is for the Reverse Lockout Solenoid, which I've integrated the hot side into the back up lap circuit since it's Hot in run. The lone connector in the top right corner is for the VSS....I just haven't assembled that one yet. Essentially all that's going to have to be one is one would use a thin screwdriver to depin the factory PNP switch, and repin into the supplied connectors with my kit (instructions supplied obviously. The ONLY connections that will have to be made will be connecting the VSS extension harness, and connecting the extension wire off of the Reverse Lockout Solenoid pigtail to one of the A4 TCC plug wires (the same wire which you'd then repin to the correct connector on the ECM/PCM for the solenoid to function as factory). More to come on all this......I'm planning the entire shebang as a "M6 Swap Wiring Harness Kit". The nice thing about it is that there's no cutting and hacking of the factory harness, it's plug and play enough that you can EASILY revert back to the A4 in the future without having to go through a ton of wiring crap.

Oh, and PCMForLess got the chip back to me today too. Things are looking good. Monday should see the rear end going into the car.

[popo8]

Ok, picked up water pump gaskets and 2 1/2" long 1/4" 20 thread bolts for the two that were too short on the MSD opti. Tomorrow will see the front of the motor buttoned back up with new power steering pump installed too.

And here's a preview of what I've been working on for an M6 swap harness kit.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Phone Uploads/IMAG0366.jpg

It's truly almost plug and play. It's not assembled here because I want to get the right on car measurements for the reverse lights. But what you're seeing is two separate harnesses. The one with the blue connector is same size as factory 10 gauge wiring for the clutch safety switch. The other one is for the backup lights and Park/Neutral switch for the hatch/cruise operation. The white plug you see is for the Reverse Lockout Solenoid, which I've integrated the hot side into the back up lap circuit since it's Hot in run. The lone connector in the top right corner is for the VSS....I just haven't assembled that one yet. Essentially all that's going to have to be one is one would use a thin screwdriver to depin the factory PNP switch, and repin into the supplied connectors with my kit (instructions supplied obviously. The ONLY connections that will have to be made will be connecting the VSS extension harness, and connecting the extension wire off of the Reverse Lockout Solenoid pigtail to one of the A4 TCC plug wires (the same wire which you'd then repin to the correct connector on the ECM/PCM for the solenoid to function as factory). More to come on all this......I'm planning the entire shebang as a "M6 Swap Wiring Harness Kit". The nice thing about it is that there's no cutting and hacking of the factory harness, it's plug and play enough that you can EASILY revert back to the A4 in the future without having to go through a ton of wiring crap.

Oh, and PCMForLess got the chip back to me today too. Things are looking good. Monday should see the rear end going into the car.


Very nice Sean.. Im sure once together it will be a work of art....

Just wondering....Since your going from Auto to M6, what did PCM4less need to burn a chip for?

[Fastbird]

Very nice Sean.. Im sure once together it will be a work of art....

Just wondering....Since your going from Auto to M6, what did PCM4less need to burn a chip for?

A4's and M6's require different tunes for all the LTx cars. The VSS pulsing is different for the A4 vs. the M6 for starters, but then there's subtle tuning that can be done to maximize the potential for either transmission too. That's a very rough nitty gritty basics of it.

[CamaroZGuy]

harness looks good! didn't see if you answered or not but will this harness work with a EFI 24x harness?

[popo8]

A4's and M6's require different tunes for all the LTx cars. The VSS pulsing is different for the A4 vs. the M6 for starters, but then there's subtle tuning that can be done to maximize the potential for either transmission too. That's a very rough nitty gritty basics of it.

Oh, and see, I always thought you could throw an M6 in a car set up and programed for an A4....but just not the other way...

[Fastbird]

harness looks good! didn't see if you answered or not but will this harness work with a EFI 24x harness?

It really depends. The 24x harness is all engine bay stuff. This adapts your A4 harness to work with the M6. The factory M6 harness has all of teh transmission wiring as part of the external engine harness save for the clutch switch. The A4 harness has just the TCC wiring on the external harness, and the backup lights and park switch are part of the PNP switch on the gear shifter. What I'm doing allows you to simply pin a connector using the factory ends of the PNP harness, and then run the wires to the respective locations on the transmission/pedal assembly. If you're having a custom harness made, just tell whomever making it you want it for an M6 and it "should" include the Reverse Lockout, VSS, and Backup Lights on it *I say should because the A4 harness does move some wires around*. The only one you'd need to work with if swapping to an M6 at that point would be the clutch safety switch and I can set you up with that harness easily. You'd still have to make a couple minor mods on the inside of the car for the park switch so the cruise/hatch switch would still function though.

[Fastbird]

Not a ton done today, just labor intensive. I swapped the power steering pump out and the stocker fought me to no end to break the hard line nut free to get it out. Got the plugs and wires pulled, throttle body off (TB bypass), and got kind of hung up. Seems that there's not any opti ends for the new plug wires so we gotta get those coming, and I forgot my plug gapper at home so I couldn't set the plug gap to get those in. So I put the new power steering pump in, put the water pump back on (yes, the 2 1/2" bolts worked perfectly with the MSD opti), and went on to other things. Greased the caliper pins and installed them and the boots into the caliper brackets and tightened those down. So all we're waiting on for the brakes to be finished at this point is the anti-rattle shims (tomorrow) and they'll go on.

Engine bay as of now.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0378.jpg

Last thing I worked on was finishing up the wiring for the trans swap. My idea worked like a champ, here's a peek at the before and after wiring in the car:

Before, the PNP switch plug:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0311.jpg

After a very simple less than two minutes depin and repin into new plugs:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0377.jpg

Ready for my harnesses to be plugged in. Got the right lengths figured out and made......more to come on this as I clean the harness up for a pic. Came out pretty doggone nice so far.

So tomorrow should see the brakes finished, and most likely plugs gapped and installed. Car DEFINITELY needs a new steering rack. Steve made me aware today that it eats PS fluid when I mentioned to him it was empty and he said he filled it before leaving Allentown. So that's getting ordered too now. This puppy is gonna be a new car when it's done.

[Fixxer99TA]

Very nice, Ive always wanted to do the same A4-M6 swap.... Just cant bring myself to butcher the Firehawk :(

[Fastbird]

Very nice, Ive always wanted to do the same A4-M6 swap.... Just cant bring myself to butcher the Firehawk :(

Its really not butchering if you know what to do. Its actually a pretty simple process.

Posted from my Rooted and ICS'd Rezound

[Fastbird]

Here's what my swap kit is going to look like:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Phone%20Uploads/IMAG0384.jpg

[Fixxer99TA]

The part about butchering I meant was the fact that the car would no longer have the base stuff it came with, but then again, Ive changed so much on it its really not at that point anymore..

Rest assured, if I did the swap Id be having you make a wiring plug and play kit for me while I did the swap.... Just so its quick, and most of all a clean install.

[Fastbird]

So........today saw some more good progress.

I finished one thing up......can you guess what it is?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0385.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0387.jpg

That's DAMN tight but I was like "HOLY CRAP THEY CLEAR THE 17's!!!!!" Those look GOOOD tucked in there.

Got the new plugs gapped and installed so that headache is out of the way. Then.........time to get dirtier:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0394.jpg

I decided to tackle the transmission extension housing.

First up, get the car raised enough to work under it obviously. After that's done, you need to remove the offset lever. This is accomplished by driving the roll pin through the bottom and pulling off the shifter shaft.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0396.jpg

Get a jack supporting the transmission and remove the tranny crossmember.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0399.jpg

Remove the 8 bolts holding the extension housing to the main housing and separate. Better to have a pan under the mating area because you WILL get fluid out of there. An FYI on the bolts, I got the upper two with a 3/8 Ratchet, deep socket, and 3" extension.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0402.jpg

Getting it fully removed was a BITCH due to the Spohn tunnel mount torque arm and more importantly, the integrated driveshaft loop. Some creative turning and it did come free though.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0404.jpg

I have no idea what this is or what it's doing inside the transmission, but there it was when I got them separated. Looks like a dowel pin. Can't find anywhere for it though.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0405.jpg

At this point I hit a roadblock. I thought it was an R&R swap. Nope.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0406.jpg

Using a T-56 Manual schematic seen here, there's parts that need to be ordered and I've indicated:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/ExtensionHousing.jpg

The reverse idler gear and all the associated stuff came out no problem.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0407.jpg

The Mainshaft bearing Race and Countershaft Extension bearing Race, shim, and oil funnel however I cannot see removing and reusing. Just looking as how that's driven in there, I can't see it happening with positive results.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0408.jpg

Looking for part numbers now. So that's where I stopped at for today.

[BaddAss93TA]

Looks good! those brakes do look killer under there! I was told they would clear. I was really holding my breath on that one. I didn't want to have to add wheels to my part to order tomorrow list, haha.

[SchaefZ28]

Those brakes look GREAT! I'll take mine in red please. (someday :D)

Is there any difference between the c5 and base c6 brakes?

[Fastbird]

Those brakes look GREAT! I'll take mine in red please. (someday :D)

Is there any difference between the c5 and base c6 brakes?

NO real difference between C5, C5Z, and base C6 brakes. C6 Z51 brakes use the same calipers/pads and slightly larger rotors.

[Fastbird]

Ah! I'm waiting on confirmation but it looks like those races are indeed able to be removed and reinstalled into the new housing. BIG plus right there.

[BaddAss93TA]

Those brakes look GREAT! I'll take mine in red please. (someday :D)

Is there any difference between the c5 and base c6 brakes?

Front C6 calipers only use 2 anti rattle clips, not 3 like C5 or Fbody LS1. There is no center clip for a C6 caliper. The "window" area in the center of the caliper is a bit smaller but now unobstructed. Stronger and better cooling maybe...??

C6 rotors are non-directional. Different vane structure than C5's. Different connection from the friction ring to hub too.

[Fastbird]

Front C6 calipers only use 2 anti rattle clips, not 3 like C5 or Fbody LS1. There is no center clip for a C6 caliper. The "window" area in the center of the caliper is a bit smaller but now unobstructed. Stronger and better cooling maybe...??

C6 rotors are non-directional. Different vane structure than C5's. Different connection from the friction ring to hub too.

Insert sheepish grin here. I guess this is why I couldn't get the center clips to fit today. :D

[Sahara54]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0404.jpg

I have no idea what this is or what it's doing inside the transmission, but there it was when I got them separated. Looks like a dowel pin. Can't find anywhere for it though.



I was curious after I saw this and decided to do some digging and from what I've read is the internal shift rail roll pin is solid. This pin should be 3/16 x 1" and I believe its #53 on 2-3 of the FSM. Don't hold me to this; I'm not a trans guy but it's a place to start. Your alot deeper than I would ever go in a trans, they scare me.

[Fastbird]

Work work work!!!! Today was spent finishing the trans extension housing swap. It took some time, but it was because I was being VERY careful. And it came out oh so nice. :D And FINISHED!

The main shaft bearing race I tapped out from behind after removing the rear seal. It came out no problem. The countershaft bearing race on the other hand, I expected a fight.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0410.jpg

One simple tap, just a gentle tap liked up like you see here, and it popped right out. I literally giggled when that happened!

Out with the old:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0412.jpg

In with the new:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0413.jpg

Time for some finishing work. I'd already swapped over the VSS and Reverse Lockout at this point. This is where I was extra careful to make sure things were lined up:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0414.jpg

AHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh.......threaded goodness, and no cracks!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0416.jpg

Fits like a champ:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0418.jpg

Mock installed. You can see how I routed the wires down below too. Figure that's the least invasive way to do it.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0420.jpg

It's NOT permanently installed because the trans is still empty (I like to fill through the shifter area). I'm letting the sealant cure between the main housing and extension housing. The install was a piece of cake, just had to push up on the rear shift fork to get it to slide on home, and as soon as I bumped it up I felt it thunk and the housing slid all the way forward. The test fit was so I could ensure all gears were able to be pulled in to, and everything seems copacetic. OH, that pin that was mentioned above? It's DEFINITELY a dowel/guide pin. There's none broken off the back side of the main housing, so I can only surmise how long it's been in there on the magnet. I came to this conclusion because the dowel/guide pins have a little series of steps at the base and this one took a chunk of them with it when it came off. I don't believe we've got anything to worry about at this point.

So trans is all bolted up. Steering rack came in today, and the opti boots came in yesterday. So I'm off it again until Sunday, and I figure Sunday is going to be a serious thrash to get down to the endgame on this one. My goal sunday is to swap the rack, get the wires done up and installed, clearance the fans and get those back in, wire up the EWP, bleed the clutch, finish wiring up the VSS and reverse lockout, get the computer tucked away again, and have it ready to start swapping the rear on Monday. Once the rear is swapped I'll get it off to a local shop to have the sub frame connectors welded in, and once those are on it'll go back on the lift one last time to swap in the Hellwig Sway bars and check everything over one last time. I'm thinking it'll be completely done in about a week and a half at this point, simply due to time available for me.

[BaddAss93TA]

Looking great! Glad that tail housing went well! i was a bit nervous about that when I saw it! I'm just now starting to really get the itch to get back in this car, haha.

did you get the e-brake wire fixed?

[Fastbird]

Not yet but I've got the new Delco piece to go in. Saturday and Sunday for sure its seeing some solid work. Like a huge thrash both days now that I'm down to one job.

Posted from my Rooted and ICS'd Rezound

[Fastbird]

No work yesterday, ended up at functions all day. But got to the shop today, and essentially have the motor area done now. Steering rack swap was surprisingly painless. The old one was just puking fluid from the drivers inner tie rod area anytime you moved it. Wires are cut and in, fans back in with a clearanced shroud, Alternator back in, throttle body is back on, radiator all hooked up and filled, etc. All I have to do up front still is repin a new IAC connector (one on the car fell apart when I was removing the TB), wire in the Meziere EWP, and put the Moroso CAI back on the car. No fights, no fuss, everything still going smooth.

[BaddAss93TA]

No work yesterday, ended up at functions all day. But got to the shop today, and essentially have the motor area done now. Steering rack swap was surprisingly painless. The old one was just puking fluid from the drivers inner tie rod area anytime you moved it. Wires are cut and in, fans back in with a clearanced shroud, Alternator back in, throttle body is back on, radiator all hooked up and filled, etc. All I have to do up front still is repin a new IAC connector (one on the car fell apart when I was removing the TB), wire in the Meziere EWP, and put the Moroso CAI back on the car. No fights, no fuss, everything still going smooth.

How did the filter look on the CAI? That was on the car when I got it and ive never cleaned it.

[Fastbird]

How did the filter look on the CAI? That was on the car when I got it and ive never cleaned it.

Didn't pull that. Just pulled the upper section so I could work.

Just a little bit of work today. Repinned the IAC into a new housing, as the old one was dry rotted and fell apart when I pulled the TB off the car. Got under the car and finished up the wiring for the trans, which included repinning one wire in the ECM to use as the signal wire for the Reverse lockout.

Unfortunately this is for a 93, but here goes:

The Reverse lockout solenoid gets it's signal from pin B1 on the ECM, the red connector via a green wire. This is the same connector that houses all of the now defunct TCC wires. Pin B1 is grounded anytime there's a sub-5 MPH speed reported to the ECM via the VSS. The brown wire (part of my harness, tied into the hot in run feed wire for the reverse lights) as factory is hot in run. So what I did was take the green/white wire from Pin C in the TCC connector, cut and splice into my harness end, and then repinned pin B19 over to B1 and swapped the cavity plug over. Should work like a champ.

The offending connector with B19 already removed:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0423.jpg

This is how it's depicted in the service manual. B1 is top left, B19 is 2nd from left on bottom row. To Depin, use a metripack depin tool or very small nail or something (paper clip was too soft, I tried to shits and giggles, I do have a metripack pin tool) in the little cutout at the top of each pin, push in to drop the retaining clip, pull the wire out the back.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0424.jpg

B19 in it's new home:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0426.jpg

Rear clip back on. This clip also houses the retaining latches for the ECM.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0427.jpg

So trans is fully wired at this point. Had to give it up today, my back was acting up pretty good. Gonna spend some time tomorrow on it though.

[BaddAss93TA]

Didn't pull that. Just pulled the upper section so I could work.

Just a little bit of work today. Repinned the IAC into a new housing, as the old one was dry rotted and fell apart when I pulled the TB off the car. Got under the car and finished up the wiring for the trans, which included repinning one wire in the ECM to use as the signal wire for the Reverse lockout.

Unfortunately this is for a 93, but here goes:

The Reverse lockout solenoid gets it's signal from pin B1 on the ECM, the red connector via a green wire. This is the same connector that houses all of the now defunct TCC wires. Pin B1 is grounded anytime there's a sub-5 MPH speed reported to the ECM via the VSS. The brown wire (part of my harness, tied into the hot in run feed wire for the reverse lights) as factory is hot in run. So what I did was take the green/white wire from Pin C in the TCC connector, cut and splice into my harness end, and then repinned pin B19 over to B1 and swapped the cavity plug over. Should work like a champ.

The offending connector with B19 already removed:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0423.jpg

This is how it's depicted in the service manual. B1 is top left, B19 is 2nd from left on bottom row. To Depin, use a metripack depin tool or very small nail or something (paper clip was too soft, I tried to shits and giggles, I do have a metripack pin tool) in the little cutout at the top of each pin, push in to drop the retaining clip, pull the wire out the back.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0424.jpg

B19 in it's new home:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0426.jpg

Rear clip back on. This clip also houses the retaining latches for the ECM.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0427.jpg

So trans is fully wired at this point. Had to give it up today, my back was acting up pretty good. Gonna spend some time tomorrow on it though.

This is all way over my head, haha. Looks good.

[Fastbird]

This is all way over my head, haha. Looks good.

Just moving wires around, making use of what's already loomed and in the car vs. running new wiring.


Here's what my swap kit is going to look like:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Phone Uploads/IMAG0384.jpg

Just found and ordered an upgrade for the swap kit. VSS is going to be plug and play now also. I spliced in the new VSS connector to Steve's car today, and got to looking at the connector that I clipped off. sure enough, there was a male variant.

[Fastbird]

Got some time put in today. Not a lot of pics, mainly just grunt work today, but......................

Here is the crowning jewel of this work:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0430.jpg

This thing is SICK with the semi-gloss powdercoating.

And a nice surprise......

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0433.jpg

Strange included a 1350 Conversion U-Joint with the rear, as well as fluid and additive! Go Strange!!!

So it's out with the old........and let me tell you that was every bit of near 20 year old bolts and rust under there. We have a Snap-On MG725 impact at the shop, and even it couldn't break loose the nuts/bolts on the drivers side control arm and drivers side end of the panhard bar. I was literally laying on a creeper braced kicking a box end wrench on the bolt while the nut side was breaker bar wedged against the ground to keep it from spinning. Passenger side? Came right out of course, lol.

Some in progress pics:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0432.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0436.jpg

And there you go! Out with the old and a big hole left behind.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0437.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0439.jpg

Tomorrow after work I'm going to go pick up some new hardware because the stuff that was on the car is trashed. Pitted, corroded, rusted, not salvageable.

[BaddAss93TA]

Beautiful!

[popo8]

Lookin good Sean... hopefully he is still excited to get it back with all the monster toys he has been getting... killer audi... TBSS..... ;)

[Fastbird]

Beautiful!

I was hesitant on the powdercoating, that's a lot of extra money, but man does it make a difference!

[CamaroZGuy]

looks awesome! but do i spy stock lower control arms! eww!

[Fastbird]

Oh...........this should help:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0435.jpg

Those LCA's are the beefiest I've ever seen short of Metco Boxed Aluminum ones.

[CamaroZGuy]

parts porn! what type of LCA's are they? never seen that stile end before.

[Fastbird]

I'll get the manufacturer name tomorrow. Hadn't heard of them. BEEFY. they're Poly on both ends, they just not assembled on the one end right now.

[Featherburner]

I'll get the manufacturer name tomorrow. Hadn't heard of them. BEEFY. they're Poly on both ends, they just not assembled on the one end right now.
Are they Founders Performance?

[BaddAss93TA]

Are they Founders Performance?

They are J&M. One of the moderators (trackbird) on FRRAX.com is a vendor for them as well as helwig. I got a smokin deal on the rear suspension pieces and the sway bars. I dont think Sean posted a pic of the sway bars yet but they are pretty slick as well. Fully adjustable rear bar.

Here is the link to the LCAs.
http://www.hotpart.com/1982-2002-f-body-camaro-and-firebird-street-race-extreme-joint-lower-control-arms/

Heres is the link to the panhard
http://www.hotpart.com/82-02-f-body-chrome-moly-on-car-adjustable-panhard-rods/

[BaddAss93TA]

Lookingood Sean... hopefully he is still excited to get it back with all the monstertoys he has been getting... killer audi... TBSS.....

The Audi I have had for about two years now and the TBSS replaced my old Jeep Commanderthat my girlfriend just totaled :X I'm not made of money as it might look onhere of late, haha. This part pile has been building for about 3 years. Very long in the making.

I honestly haven’t looked forward to driving the TA in years. I am reallyitching though. its going to feel like whole new car. There were so many littleissues that were driving me insane.

[popo8]

The Audi I have had for about two years now and the TBSS replaced my old Jeep Commanderthat my girlfriend just totaled :X I'm not made of money as it might look onhere of late, haha. This part pile has been building for about 3 years. Very long in the making.

I honestly haven’t looked forward to driving the TA in years. I am reallyitching though. its going to feel like whole new car. There were so many littleissues that were driving me insane.

Thats great... Looks like alot to look fwd to now!


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[Fastbird]

For who was asking, the PHB and LCA's are J&M. Sway bars going in are Hellwig and are EXTREMELY nice.

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[BaddAss93TA]

For who was asking, the PHB and LCA's are J&M. Sway bars going in are Hellwig and are EXTREMELY nice.

Posted from my Rooted and ICS'd Rezound

One step ahead of ya. Look a few posts up ;)

[Fastbird]

One step ahead of ya. Look a few posts up ;)

Well........:shiner:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0449.jpg

That's some grade 8 goodness right there. All for remounting the LCA's and PHB as the factory stuff is in not very nice condition. More coming tomorrow!

[MeanTA]

For who was asking, the PHB and LCA's are J&M. Sway bars going in are Hellwig and are EXTREMELY nice.


I have Hellwig sway bars on my TA. And love them.

[Fastbird]

Ugh......so I was swapping the brake lines over to the new rear yesterday, and one of the fittings is frozen. I've been working on soaking it to try to free it up because I'd rather not make new brake lines, but will if I have to. Had to mod one of the line brackets too, but that was just cutting a retaining tab off. Cleaned those up, and ran into a larger snag.

Happened to be looking at the top of the rear, and noticed the mount area for the tq arm is small. Sure as shit, the instructions say to cut a portion of the upper bracket of the Spohn torque arm off. That's freaking THICK steel there. Probably going to farm that job out. Rear will be back in the car tomorrow save for the torque arm. Monday afternoon I'll have that cut and probably back in.

[BaddAss93TA]

Ugh......so I was swapping the brake lines over to the new rear yesterday, and one of the fittings is frozen. I've been working on soaking it to try to free it up because I'd rather not make new brake lines, but will if I have to. Had to mod one of the line brackets too, but that was just cutting a retaining tab off. Cleaned those up, and ran into a larger snag.

Happened to be looking at the top of the rear, and noticed the mount area for the tq arm is small. Sure as shit, the instructions say to cut a portion of the upper bracket of the Spohn torque arm off. That's freaking THICK steel there. Probably going to farm that job out. Rear will be back in the car tomorrow save for the torque arm. Monday afternoon I'll have that cut and probably back in.

Yikes!

[Fastbird]

Yikes!

Yeah....that one wasn't expected.

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[Fastbird]

Few hours of work today, and here's your results:

Just about ready to go in:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0466.jpg

Mod for the ABS Sensor. The Strange comes iwth it's own sensor already pre-set. I simply depinned the stock connector and repinned into a connector compatible with the male connector I put on the bare wiring on the strange sensor. Some loom to tidy it up, and voila!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0468.jpg

Rear in and hanging some new suspension components.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0469.jpg

PHB in place too:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0470.jpg

New brake line at the ends. I wire wheeled the stock hard lines clean and clear coated them to try to stave off any rust.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0471.jpg

The old rear if anyone is interested. It'll need a pinion seal but that's about it.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0472.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0473.jpg

Here's why the rear is all cocked up right now. No Torque Arm:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0474.jpg

Gotta take this by an industrial shop tomorrow and see if they can't cut that marked area out.

[BaddAss93TA]

10 bolt is free to a good home at this point!

[Fastbird]

In and out in 5 minutes, plasma cutter at the local aluminum shop made mince meat of that bracket. Will be working on it tomororw. Today I got my ass kicked by a 98 Chevy K2500 truck. All four ball joints, inner tie rod, idler arm, and front brakes. NEVER buy one of these trucks. Changing brake rotors is the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

[CamaroZGuy]

In and out in 5 minutes, plasma cutter at the local aluminum shop made mince meat of that bracket. Will be working on it tomororw. Today I got my ass kicked by a 98 Chevy K2500 truck. All four ball joints, inner tie rod, idler arm, and front brakes. NEVER buy one of these trucks. Changing brake rotors is the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

is that one with the wheel barrings in the rotors? but ya, i hate them trucks, but the AF love to keep them around!

[Fastbird]

is that one with the wheel barrings in the rotors? but ya, i hate them trucks, but the AF love to keep them around!

Yeah, you gotta remove the hub from the spindle, bang out all the lug nuts, transfer the new rotor to the hub, reseat all the lug nuts. Absolutely jackased way to design it. And insult to injury, we had to torch all the bearing assembly bolts out to get them off the spindles. And the 4 ball joints kicked my arse today. I'm lounging on the laptop in bed at this point, lol.

[CamaroZGuy]

its jobs like that I'm glad i get to choose my jobs now.... :D

[Fastbird]

So here's the latest. Got the Spohn Torque Arm Mount modded. In addition to the top side of the bracket being cut, I had to do some slight clearancing on the bottom, and make a groove on the inner vertical bracket.

Top Cut (was done with a plasma at a local welding shop):
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0475.jpg

Bottom, note the corner where I had to round it:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0476.jpg

Groove.......this was completely unexpected to have to do.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0477.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0478.jpg

1350 Conversion U-Joint installed in driveshaft:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0479.jpg

Got the emergency brake cable installed, the car now has perfectly functional e-brake. Ran into a snag, the stock straps don't work with the 1350 u joint on the pinion yoke. So we're looking for straps. Got the brake system all buttoned up and will have it bled tomorrow. Car should be on wheels again here shortly.

[popo8]

Movin right along Sean!!!


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[BaddAss93TA]

All of these issues are reasons why I did not want to under take all of these projects myself. You have so many resources that I dont have as well as the know how to get this crap sorted out. Your the man Sean.

[Fastbird]

Getting on it. Going to get the car to a local spot to have the sub-frames welded in next week.......meaning........it's gotta get back driveable I guess. :D

Today I:

Bled the brakes -- all is well.
Installed the driveshaft u-joint straps -- Thought I was going to have to pull the torque arm mount again. The clearance for the nuts is THAT tight, but with some even tightening, everything clears.
Filled the transmission with fluid (No leaks, YAAY!)
Bolted the shifter down.
Bolted down the big rubber shifter boot.
Tightened the LCA bolts.
Removed the e-brake holding rods (the ones that were connected to the stock differential cover bolts -- new rear is too big and they don't fit).

It's really just small stuff at this point. There's only a short list of things to complete. I'm expecting to take the car for a test drive this weekend. The worst thing I've got left to do is the Dakota Digital SGI-5 Speedo Recalibration Box. I remember mine being an absolute mother to get it, working right, and calibrated. Expecting the same here.

[popo8]

Doin great SEAN!!!!

Cant wait to see it on its feet on the road


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[BaddAss93TA]

Getting on it. Going to get the car to a local spot to have the sub-frames welded in next week.......meaning........it's gotta get back driveable I guess. :D

Today I:

Bled the brakes -- all is well.
Installed the driveshaft u-joint straps -- Thought I was going to have to pull the torque arm mount again. The clearance for the nuts is THAT tight, but with some even tightening, everything clears.
Filled the transmission with fluid (No leaks, YAAY!)
Bolted the shifter down.
Bolted down the big rubber shifter boot.
Tightened the LCA bolts.
Removed the e-brake holding rods (the ones that were connected to the stock differential cover bolts -- new rear is too big and they don't fit).

It's really just small stuff at this point. There's only a short list of things to complete. I'm expecting to take the car for a test drive this weekend. The worst thing I've got left to do is the Dakota Digital SGI-5 Speedo Recalibration Box. I remember mine being an absolute mother to get it, working right, and calibrated. Expecting the same here.

Awesome!

Dont forget to fix those stupid tail light sockets :)

[Fastbird]

Awesome!

Dont forget to fix those stupid tail light sockets :)

They're last on the list. Wednesday the car goes for the subframe connectors.

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[Fastbird]

New O2's are in and conversion wiring is run. Rear end has been filled with friction modifier and gear oil (2 quarts, this housing does NOT have a traditional fill plug. FYI for future reference, Strange 12 Bolts take ONLY 2 quarts of gear oil).

Tomorrow I'm going to wire up the EWP and Heated O2 harness, put the sway bars in, and probably get the car on the ground.

[Fastbird]

Got some progress made today. Got the wiring all tidied up for the Heated O2 harness and the EWP. I used the Key on Hot far right fuse terminal in the fuse box as seen below:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0497.jpg

And tied it all in under the fuse box with the stock wiring. Very clean.

Rreally made some good engine progress:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0498.jpg

As in all I need to put back on is the belt.

Hellwig rear sway bar went in, I REALLY like the kit.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0501.jpg

And I snugged up all the rear suspension. Car WAS essentially ready to go on the ground. Glad I didn't do it though. On the first pedal pump when bleeding the clutch (vacuum method), I just started pushing the pedal down and it popped and the pedal fell to the floor with no resistance. I freaked thinking the MC ripped out of the firewall. Nope, but the slave cylinder body cracked instead. :face_shocked: Strange. Got a new one picked up today, so will get it thrown on Tomorrow.

[Fastbird]

After yesterday's little debacle with the slave cylinder, today went much better.

Swapped in the new slave. All is well. Bled just fine, clutch pedal is nice and light (spec 3+, gotta love it). The old slave housing cracked at the seam. Got the engine tidied up, and ended up getting around to what I was dreading. The Dakota Digital SGI-5 speedo recalibration box.

Ended up being quite easy. It's been YEARS since I've installed one of these. Some quick research, and I happened upon a better way to install them than I did mine. Connector C220 under the passenger kick panel houses the Speedo signal wire and houses the fuel pump prime/power feed wire (which is hot 12v in Run save for a 3 second hot when you initially key on). Perfect spot to tap in. So four connections later, I have this:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0515.jpg

Run it up under the dash to the center console area and the SGI-5 is almost in already.

So after that, I decided to check things out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEmct1yMGA

Car is ALMOST ready to get on the ground. Only snag I ran into today is that the new rear came with 1/2 x 20 wheel studs, and the rear that was on the car has M12x1.5 stock sized. So Steve needs some lug nuts in the back, but that's about it. Steering feels GREAT while I was running it to ensure PS fluid was cycling, the EWP is doing it's thing, no leaks.....only potential issue is that the idle is trying to hang REALLY low for some reason once it settles down. Will try to look more into that.

[BaddAss93TA]

good to see shes running again! cant wait to get this thing back!!

[Fastbird]

Took it down the street and back today. Other than some "break in" noises, it seems to be ok. Reverse lockout isn't working and that's REALLY bothering me right now because I spent a lot of time ensuring that was going to work. Other problem is that I'm having a HELL of a time finding lug nuts for it. I found some Dorman ones that are a hair over 2" long with stainless caps on them, and bought 10 HOPING they'll work.

Tomorrow I WILL be putting in some time on it after work, as I have to take it home in order to drop it off Wednesday morning for the sub frame connectors. Then once I get it back I'll troubleshoot the reverse lockout, put the window motor in, and see which sockets for the brake/tail lights need replacing cause they're all kinds of funky.

Oh and Steve, the steering feels GREAT. :D

[BaddAss93TA]

Nice :) how's the brakes? Better pedel feel.hopefully?

[SchaefZ28]

Is the reverse lockout not doing anything? or is it working opposite of what it should? (hard to get into reverse while stopped, goes right over while going down the road) Because that's how mine is, and I know we wired it up word for word of the directions we were using.. Interested to find out how you fix this.

[Fastbird]

I haven't tried to slip by it going down the road. Not gonna either. :D I'm going to try to poke around it tomorrow after I get the SGI-5 wired in and window motor swapped.

Steve, for what little I did, the brakes felt great. I haven't gotten enough speed to build some heat and bed them in yet. That'll be the drive home tomorrow. I'm trying to break in brakes, a clutch, and a rear end all at once. Fun.

[popo8]

Guess we will get to meet on Sat???

[BaddAss93TA]

Guess we will get to meet on Sat???

Sounds like it :)

I will be rolling out in the trailblazer. I would love the bring the Audi, I know sean really wants to see it but there are two issues with that. One, I will not put that dirty trans in my Audi and two my girlfriend will not be driving the Audi or the Trans Am home, haha.

[Fastbird]

LMAO nice.

Two things: Lugnuts are good, great actually. Pics to come there, a very nice fix for anyone with long studs in the back/front.

Second. The reverse lockout works if you apply power to it. I had a two pins switched on the adapter harness in the car, and the power feed for the reverse lockout was on the pin in the ground feed for the back up lights. Swap those pins, everything works. VERY happy about that.

[Fastbird]

Here's how these lug nuts came out. They're part number 989911 at Advance Auto, $1.49 each. Stainless outer jacket, 1/2 x 20 thread, hair over 2" long. JUST long enough to work.

Initial test, good mark in the paint:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0521-1.jpg

And bolted on. They stick out some, but they hide the ugly wheel studs, and look great IMO:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves%2093%20Trans%20Am/IMAG0522.jpg

Just drove the car home, Everything was pretty good. Need to make a couple of minor adjustments, but it's done for the most part. HOWEVER, got some BAD news on the drive home. Going to wait to talk to Steve before I spill the beans here.

[Fastbird]

Ok, just talked to Steve.

Bad news is that the trans has no 5th gear. Most likely the syncro's because it's grinding and trying to go it, but just doesn't quite get there. Sixth is fine. This was a VERY depressing find on the drive home.

On the plus side, I almost got the speedo calibration nailed on the first try. It's dead on.

[BaddAss93TA]

Ok, just talked to Steve.

Bad news is that the trans has no 5th gear. Most likely the syncro's because it's grinding and trying to go it, but just doesn't quite get there. Sixth is fine. This was a VERY depressing find on the drive home.

On the plus side, I almost got the speedo calibration nailed on the first try. It's dead on.

More of an annoyance then anything else. Of all the gears to be out, id rather it be that one, haha. Oh well. Thats the sort of stuff you come to expect when working on 20 year old cars. Could be worse!

[Fastbird]

Yeah, but I wanted it to be perfect for you. I was hoping there wouldn't be something like this to happen, and I'm truly bummed that there's nothing I can do about it at this point.

[popo8]

...Bad news is that the trans has no 5th gear. Most likely the syncro's because it's grinding and trying to go it, but just doesn't quite get there....

Awwww... that sucks!

[chile]

Ok, just talked to Steve.

Bad news is that the trans has no 5th gear. Most likely the syncro's because it's grinding and trying to go it, but just doesn't quite get there. Sixth is fine. This was a VERY depressing find on the drive home.


Yeah thats happened to me before but i also lost 2nd and 3rd

[Fastbird]

Sorry for no update past couple of days. Sub-Frame connectors went in fine. But the best news is that one the drive home from that shop, 5th started working, almost fine. I think that the fluid just hadn't worked it's way through everything yet. It's going into 5th 9 out of 10 times now I'd say. Up and downshift. Was VERY pleased to find this out.

So this was the last job:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0527.jpg

Had some issues going on. Tail lights were dim, some went out when the brakes were applied, some didn't work at all. All bulbs were good. Fortunately, I know that the early cars were notorious for having sockets go out. Four new sockets, some clean splicing and connecting, and we have working tail lights, brake lights, and turn signals once again.

I now pronounce this car good to go. It's going to home tomorrow via the Knopps Christmas party.

Took all these today after shining her up some:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0530.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0534.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0535.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0539.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0540.jpg

And took this one earlier this week.......Birds of a Feather......
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/Fastbird93/Builds/Steves 93 Trans Am/IMAG0524-1.jpg

[popo8]

Awesome... C u 2moro


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[SchaefZ28]

Looks fantastic.. Great work!

[rdx]

I just went over the 15 pages of this thread and all I can say is WOW! Nice work!

[popo8]

I just went over the 15 pages of this thread and all I can say is WOW! Nice work!

Man, you shoulda seen and heard it in person... it was awesome...!

[rdx]

Man, you shoulda seen and heard it in person... it was awesome...!

I wish I had, did anybody took a video or something?

[popo8]

I wish I had, did anybody took a video or something?

Sean (Fastbird) met the owner at the X-mas party at the garage I hang at.....

It was very cold out with like 50mph winds.... so I was in and out a few times quick, but it was 2 dark for good pics....

I did hear them take it for a drive, and also when the owner left.... it sounded awesome....

[Fastbird]

I wish I had, did anybody took a video or something?

THere's a vid of it starting up a few pages back once I got it mostly buttoned up. It's just a bolt on car with ASM headers, ORP, and SLP LM1 cat-back.

[BaddAss93TA]

Thanks for all the kind words guys! It was most definitley a fun drive home. I havent been so excited to drive this car in years, haha. HOWEVER! Stay tuned for build thread part two here to come in a few months :)

[Fastbird]

Thanks for all the kind words guys! It was most definitley a fun drive home. I havent been so excited to drive this car in years, haha. HOWEVER! Stay tuned for build thread part two here to come in a few months :)

This I can't wait to see. :D :D :D

[BaddAss93TA]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/BaddAss93TA/IMAG1473_zpsb7475292.jpg

home safe and sound, back where she belongs. mission complete, haha.

[rdx]

THere's a vid of it starting up a few pages back once I got it mostly buttoned up. It's just a bolt on car with ASM headers, ORP, and SLP LM1 cat-back.

Yeah I saw that one just wondering if there was another one with the car in the ground, hopefully a walk around or something :)

[Fastbird]

Nice Steve! Looks like a really decent sized garage you got too!

[BaddAss93TA]

Nice Steve! Looks like a really decent sized garage you got too!

thanks! It's 24' deep by 30' wide. Not quite three cars unfortunately but its along three property lines so i had no where else to go haha. Hopefully next summer ill finish the inside.

[Fastbird]

Damn, that's a lot of extra space for a two car. My garage in IL was 24x33 and had PLENTY of room as a designed 3 car. I'd have Benches and shelves galore in your garage along with the cars. Garagejournal.com is your friend if you are looking for finishing ideas.

[BaddAss93TA]

Damn, that's a lot of extra space for a two car. My garage in IL was 24x33 and had PLENTY of room as a designed 3 car. I'd have Benches and shelves galore in your garage along with the cars. Garagejournal.com is your friend if you are looking for finishing ideas.

I spend lots of browsing time on there, haha. The garage is awesome, its just too small for three cars though. I can fit three but then there is no room for anything down the sides, and there is only a over sized two car door as well so it just doesnt really work out. Hopefully this summer I will be all decked out though. Not sure if im going to do an epoxy floor or a tile floor... thats the big debate at the moment, haha.

[popo8]

Btw...u shoulda come into the party...didnt realize u were gonna just boogie...i wouldve been more formal introducing myself....


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[BaddAss93TA]

Btw...u shoulda come into the party...didnt realize u were gonna just boogie...i wouldve been more formal introducing myself....


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

Yea sorry man. We had quite the busy weekend and we didnt have all our christmas shopping done yet either, haha. We had the best intentions of staying and hanging out but as the day went on we realized it just wasnt going to happen. Hopefully this summer you will see my car around more. We arnt far from each other so we will have to put some events together and what not.

[popo8]

No sweat.....


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LTXtech.com