85 Monte Carlo SS build

[firebird_1995]

So here it is... the recipient the day I brought it home...
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It's a 1985 Monte Carlo SS. I got it with a 350/350 turbo in it. I swapped in a 200-4R because the 350 turbo was slipping and I used it as a DD for about 6 months. Plus its what originally came in it so I felt it added a little nostalgia. I've always collected LT1 parts and cars and feel most comfortable with the platform so I decided to start planning for a transplant. Over the last few months I've hunted down some great deals on parts to use for the build. So far I've got:
Plain jane LT1 block (to be machined)
Eagle 4340 forged 3.48 stroke crank
Scat 4340 H beams
ARP 2 bolt main stud kit
Mezziere EWP
MSD opti
Vision power core 10.2mm plug wires
CC306 cam
ARP 7/16" rocker studs
GMPP guideplates
Arp head studs
Comp pro mag rockers
M122 from a 2010 gt500
Wiring harness and ecm from 95 firebird
And several other stock parts from various engines

Still need for engine:
Forged pistons (had a good deal on a set but they turned out to be junk)
Rings, bearings, gaskets.
Port work on heads
Hardened pushrods
60# injectors
400lph fuel pump
LS7 lifters

I'm hoping to have 550-600 HP at the rear wheels through a built 200-4R and 9"
The car will see zero track time except for the shootout, but just for kicks. I'm looking for a street car that can be driven daily if needed but still hold its own.

I've already purchased the paint and materials for the body work. The car will be this color...
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Black metallic firemist
Id like to retain the stock wheels, at least for now.

So today the build technically started. I've got a 1970 4 door nova that's getting the 350 from the monte.
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So while I had the engine bay open, I thought I would try out the por15 I bought for the monte.
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Turned out pretty good but I made a god-awful mess. My paint gun didn't get cleaned well enough last time I used it and the fluid needle stuck open, pouring paint everywhere. While I made a hasty attempt to clean the gun I got por15 all over my hands. It will not come off!

With the nova engine out I pulled the monte in to start pulling the engine and trans.
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Got the trans out tonight. Tomorrow I will get the engine pulled and put in the nova. The guy buying it is looking forward to it early this week so its gotta get done tomorrow. Then I can continue the work on the monte. Going to por15 the engine bay and underside first then start on the body while the engine comes together.
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[popo8]

NIce... like a multi build thread....


Your going FI on the Monte right?

[bsgreenz]

I will be watching this one for sure, for some reason i have always liked these cars but if i built one it would be alot different. I would do a built 454 BBC, Roots style blower, glide and a 9 inch.

[firebird_1995]

Yes. I missed out on the $600 p600 procharger and got outbid $50 on an f1x this morning (sold for $1300!). I'm considering having someone spec a turbo cam and going that route at this time. Getting a bargain on an sc setup is getting tough to come by and I can do my own welding and fab work on the turbo setup and end up with a new turbo for about the same cost as a used sc head unit. I guess it would be less of a gamble that way. Not sure if one would be better than another in a big mcss

[bsgreenz]

I know a guy local to me is selling his home made LT1 turbo hot side for something like $400, it uses the stock manifolds.

But i know what you mean about finding a good deal on a SC set up, i can get my hands on a full F1A kit with upgraded intercooler etc and never ran for 5K but need to sell my turbo kit to buy it first.

[firebird_1995]

I should have bid more on the f1x but it was being sold as is so....
I think I figured it up once that I could to a turbo setup using stock manifolds for around $500 which would include a cheap eBay intercooler and cold side piping. Then I would just need a turbo, bov, and wastegate. The only downside to this is I would have to ditch the cc306. Most guys have said ditch it anyways but I've had a few in the past (n/a) and have always liked and had good luck with them.

[bsgreenz]

Honestly i have ran that cam and loved it! I ran stock ported heads, 52mm, long tubes, geared and stalled and she ran HARD N/A and on spray. I wasn't to happy with the CC305 and never got my car to run like it should with my LE custom grind but it wanted to run bad.

Doesnt SRZ run a CC306 with boost and made a ton of power?

[firebird_1995]

I've been eyeing the roots style blowers too. I believe I could make an intake work. I considered having the top milled off a stock lt1 intake and welding whatever it would take to make it bolt up to it. Then welding the front tb area up. I'm just afraid it would be 4 feet tall by the time its done! Plus I've read they are not very efficient compared to the centrifugals. Would definitely be cool though

[firebird_1995]

Doesnt SRZ run a CC306 with boost and made a ton of power?

Yes he does. If I stick with sc I will keep the cc306. I know its old technology and there are more efficient cams on the market but I guess I feel more comfortable running it because I know what to expect. If I go turbo I will have to get a different cam for sure...

[green96ta]

I saw a thread somewhere where someone made a roots work on an lt1...maybe I can find it again.

[popo8]

I saw a thread somewhere where someone made a roots work on an lt1...maybe I can find it again.

Oh yeah.. its on that other site... there are two people who made their own over there.. both one offs..

one guy made it for himself, and the other one claims to have plans to go into production, but have been reading that for years.... lol

[firebird_1995]

Oh yea I remember that one. Its kind of a remote mounted setup. Very slick but expensive ill bet. If I was going to do a roots setup it would be mostly for looks and done on the cheap. I've got a guy local to me that has a 6-71 off an old Detroit diesel for $150. There are lots of aftermarket parts that make them suitable for street use. By the time you get it up to par you're looking at close to $1k plus the cost off making it work with the lt1 intake. But man..... it would look sweet..... its got me thinking now......

[popo8]

Oh yea I remember that one. Its kind of a remote mounted setup. Very slick but expensive ill bet. If I was going to do a roots setup it would be mostly for looks and done on the cheap. I've got a guy local to me that has a 6-71 off an old Detroit diesel for $150. There are lots of aftermarket parts that make them suitable for street use. By the time you get it up to par you're looking at close to $1k plus the cost off making it work with the lt1 intake. But man..... it would look sweet..... its got me thinking now......

I gotta tell you man.. the intrest that guy had in his design over there was NUTS... and he was saying the cost would be comparable to an F1A.... now if you have the know how and ability to make it work on the cheap.... or at least cheaper.....

You could seriously make some LOOT!!

[firebird_1995]

Yes I agree. But i think the big thing about his design was to keep it under a stock hood. I'm working with a different body style all together. I've got several lt1 intakes laying around and I can get that Detroit blower for $150. I'll tinker around and see if I can get something with some potential. If I can get the blower on the lt1 intake, then I can drop the loot on the blower rebuild for street use. And if its a huge flop, well I have a new end table, or maybe a DOORSTOP!

[firebird_1995]

So this morning I got the engine pulled from the monte. One of the few engines I've pulled that can come straight out the top...
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Found out the motor mounts are different on the nova from 6 to 8 cylinder so I've got to order a set of v8 mounts to get it finished then the work on the monte shall begin.

[JCzNova]

Nova what???

[firebird_1995]

This guy...
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Looks familiar huh?
Where did you get your v8 motor mounts?

[JCzNova]

I ordered Nova 350 V8 frame side mounts and LT1 block side solid mounts, both from Summit.

Rock that sedan brother! Maybe there will be two of them at next years shootout??

[firebird_1995]

This one is getting a plain jane 350. I thought about it though. I read somewhere that it is only 47 pounds heavier than a 2 door. I'm selling this one to fund the monte.

[JCzNova]

This one is getting a plain jane 350. I thought about it though. I read somewhere that it is only 47 pounds heavier than a 2 door. I'm selling this one to fund the monte.

You consider letting it go as a roller? I have been looking for a little straighter body than mine.

[firebird_1995]

I've had it on craigslist for $1500 but didn't have any bites. I have a guy that's going to give me $2k with the 350 in it. Since the monte is getting an lt1 I basically don't have anything in the engine swap. Just time.
Its got some rot around the rear wheel wells but I was surprised with how straight it was.

[JCzNova]

I've had it on craigslist for $1500 but didn't have any bites. I have a guy that's going to give me $2k with the 350 in it. Since the monte is getting an lt1 I basically don't have anything in the engine swap. Just time.
Its got some rot around the rear wheel wells but I was surprised with how straight it was.

I have been looking for a more solid roller to swap the rest of my parts over to. been looking to spend $1k or less. Not a whole lot of takers on the 4 doors out there. Good luck with the swap and sale.

[Andrew ws6]

Gonna be watching this I have an 87 MCSS that I plan on putting an LT1 in.

[firebird_1995]

I have been looking for a more solid roller to swap the rest of my parts over to. been looking to spend $1k or less. Not a whole lot of takers on the 4 doors out there. Good luck with the swap and sale.

Hey that rust is free weight reduction. Do you know how much you weight with the lt1 in it? What trans are you running?

[JCzNova]

Hey that rust is free weight reduction. Do you know how much you weight with the lt1 in it? What trans are you running?

4L60E and I was right around 3420 with a full tank and me in it at the shootout.

[firebird_1995]

While waiting for the v8 motor mounts for the nova I'm going to start cleaning up the engine bay in the monte. There's a lot of old wiring and vacuum lines to go away as well at 28 years of funk. Got it soaking in degreaser now. Did some stumbling around tonight for some FI ideas. Came across this....
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It was on thirdgen. Twin m90's. Did some quick research and found there are quite a few guys that have done this. Obviously its not the most efficient way of doing things but its pretty cool looking. I looked into doing a remote mounted m122 from the newer gt500 and a used one in good shape only brings about $600. I think with all the extra under hood space the monte has to offer I might go with one of these remote style setups. Duels would be neat and I thought about staggering the noses to drive each blower separately to get away from all the extra belt routing but the crank pulley would probably end up being somewhere near the license plate by the time its all said and done...
Oh well just daydreaming at this point. 1st priority is to finish building the engine and get it in place.

[JCzNova]

Just saw your Nova ad while I was looking for rollers, still no takers without the 350?

[firebird_1995]

No, had a guy come look at it last weekend and was really interested but not mechanically inclined. He asked what I would ask for it running and I told him $2k. Called me back the next day and said he wanted it but it could go south at anytime. People change their minds and things come up.
Here's a closer shot of the rust...
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Other than that its got a spot the size of a quarter bubbling on the rear passenger door but its repairable. The wheel wells will need replaced eventually.

[firebird_1995]

So I started dropping the SBC in the Nov a today, ran into a problem. Seems that from 1968-1972 the nova had engine specific motor mounts (engine side). So a universal style mount won't work, I've got to order them now.
I get the impression that the nova was the "compact" car of the 70's because the 350 fills up the engine bay nicely!
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In monte carlo news....
I've decided to do a single remote mounted roots setup. I've sourced an m122 from a Shelby gt500 for around $450 shipped. There is a member on ls1 tech that has done this on an ls motor.
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I'm going to make a few changes to his design but I think it will be budget friendly, effective, and different. Power goals are pretty much out the window at this point. From what I've read the gt500 guys can get close to 600rwhp with pulley changes and ported blower housings on stock motors so it should be sufficient for my needs. The low end torque the roots style setup has to offer should pair nicely with the somewhat lacking low end grunt the cc306 doesn't offer, or so I hope....

[firebird_1995]

Here's muh blowah...
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Got it with all the stock trim from the blower to airbox and an aftermarket pulley hub for $450 shipped. These have an internal bypass which eliminates the need for a bov. The piping should be pretty straight forward. Looking forward to getting started on this....

[Madman337]

Awesome looking and I cant wait to see it happen, I remember some of this kind of stuff from the 80s and thought WOW thats cool LOL

[firebird_1995]

So the nova project is finished up now. Ive got a few weeks to mess with the monte carlo while dad gathers parts for his th400 swap in the camaro. I believe I'm going to drop in this l99 I have to use as a mock up for the m122 brackets and placement as well as the inter cooler piping. I'm even considering leaving it in there while I iron out the wiring harness and possibly even start it up to make sure the setup will work before putting the built engine in. So first step is going to be to por15 the undercarriage while its not freezing. Unfortunately I think I've missed my window of opportunity to paint the car so I'll work on the body last. During fabrication I would like to utilive the factory gt500 throttle body, if possible. It is a drive by wire system but there's got to be a way to convert it.
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Here's a pic for comparison. Its a twin 60mm. Normally I would say its probably not necessary but the sc will be drawing air through it, not pushing. I didn't expect it to be as large as it is. I've got it so I might as well use it.

[popo8]

Very excited to see this... Think it can be done for the 2013 shootout?


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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[firebird_1995]

Oh yea. It'll be there. I don't know what class it will fit in or if it will be a contender but it'll be there.

[popo8]

Oh yea. It'll be there. I don't know what class it will fit in or if it will be a contender but it'll be there.

Awesome!!!

[firebird_1995]

Some pics for your viewing pleasure
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I tried laying it in on the passenger side and without deleting the ac (which I won't do) it just wouldn't fit right without sitting it too far forward. I'm hoping I can get it low enough to fit under a 4" cowl but we'll see. Mounting it over the intake will allow me to bring the compressed air forward to the intercoolers and where the lt1 throttle body used to be will become and inlet to receive the cooled air. The throttle body will mount off the side of the charger like the factory gt500 does but I'll drop it down a bit to try and stay within the cowl. I've got an idea for mounting it and I'll be working with some models over the weekend. Going to make everything out of wood first before moving on to aluminum.

[Andrew ws6]

Neat build are you going to cut the frame for the ac compressor or does yours fit without cutting.

[firebird_1995]

Definitely doesn't fit. I'm thinking about swapping placement of the compressor and alternator.

[firebird_1995]

Made some pretty good progress on the wooden models tonight. Surprisingly everything seems to be coming along well. I should have the mock supports done tomorrow night and then I will move on to metal. I originally thought I would go with aluminum but I'm thinking I might go with steel. I dont have a way to weld aluminum and I don't think the weight reduction would be worth having to farm that part out. Here's tonight's pics. (Nevermind the shims in the front)

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[popo8]

So ur remote mount will be above the intake?


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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[firebird_1995]

Yea. Its hovering above the intake with about 1/2" of clearance. Without deleting the ac or having a footlong crank pulley, it was the easiest way.

[CamaroZGuy]

this is going to be sick!

[firebird_1995]

Hopefully it will be sick in a good way and not a monstrosity. I'm hoping to have all the brackets done this week.

[popo8]

Hopefully it will be sick in a good way and not a monstrosity. I'm hoping to have all the brackets done this week.

VERY EXCITED for this...your def talented...

[CamaroZGuy]

i wish i had the space and capabilities to do that kind of fab work...

[firebird_1995]

I'm laid off right now so I've got a lot of free time. If I don't make it through the head scratching parts now I won't finish it when I go back to work

[SMok3 Em A11]

Looks like a pretty sick build should be nice to see on the track.

[popo8]

I'm laid off right now so I've got a lot of free time. If I don't make it through the head scratching parts now I won't finish it when I go back to work

you must have access to, or on crazy aounts of fabbing machines....

[firebird_1995]

Not really. Im just going to make them out of steel first. I'm sure the first set of brackets will need improving but I want to see the sc hanging on its own. My first set will allow forward and backwards adjustment to help with pulley alignment. I am going to try to run everything off of the same belt. It might end up being a huge mistake but I think it would be cleaner than having a separate sc belt. Once I have a good solid design that works I will take it to a shop and have them make me a set out of aluminium.

[firebird_1995]

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[popo8]

pretty wild


so the TB will be mounted on the back side of the blower... what will go on the front of the intake?

Or am I reading it wrong....

[firebird_1995]

That's were ill pipe the intercooled air back to the intake. I'm probably going to go with twin 2 1/2" inlets. I'm also thinking about going out of both sides of the blower with the outlets being 2 1/2" also. I've got those twin ProCharger intercoolers that I picked up from CamaroZGuy.

[popo8]

I saw a thread somewhere where someone made a roots work on an lt1...maybe I can find it again.

Its on the other site.... and its a one off, that he has been claiming to make for sales for years... it has yet to make any numbers or go into production.

I think I started a thread over here about it that starts out..."Id give it a shot." or something like that...

[Badbird_96]

I've seen a video of one on YouTube but no real info besides its a custom job

[firebird_1995]

Yea its a really slick setup with a custom intake. I believe he says it would fit under a stock hood. The only downside to bolting a roots supercharger directly to the intake is there's to way to intercool it. Well I guess you could use meth injection... my setup definitely doesn't fit under the hood. I'm going to try to get it under a 4" cowl but it'll be a chore.

[popo8]

Yea its a really slick setup with a custom intake. I believe he says it would fit under a stock hood. The only downside to bolting a roots supercharger directly to the intake is there's to way to intercool it. Well I guess you could use meth injection... my setup definitely doesn't fit under the hood. I'm going to try to get it under a 4" cowl but it'll be a chore.


I think that thing would be cool stickin through the hood of a monte ss

[firebird_1995]

I do too. I guess that's why I didn't try to hard to mount it off to the side. I'm going to start making the supports out of steel tomorrow and hopefully have it finished by the end of the week so I can start figuring out the belt routing. I'm pretty sure I'll have to use a few idlers to make it work. I wonder what the longest belt ever made is...

[popo8]

I do too. I guess that's why I didn't try to hard to mount it off to the side. I'm going to start making the supports out of steel tomorrow and hopefully have it finished by the end of the week so I can start figuring out the belt routing. I'm pretty sure I'll have to use a few idlers to make it work. I wonder what the longest belt ever made is...


And I know you said thats only a mock up motor...but how many LT1s do you have?

[firebird_1995]

4 at the moment. Always room in my garage for more. I collect em like bottlecaps

[popo8]

4 at the moment. Always room in my garage for more. I collect em like bottlecaps

Lol...lucky...



Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[firebird_1995]

So this week I worked on fine tuning the pieces for the bracket. As I assembled it I tried to make it as short as possible. The initial goal was to get it to fit under no taller than a 4" cowl hood. When it looked like it was going to be close I decided to go no taller than 6". After I got it mocked up and measured, it looked like even 6" was going to be close. Long story short, I've scrapped the initial idea. I was able to trim the base down enough and I believe I have a solution....
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Going this route it will clear a 2" cowl with no question. Going to make some new wood models tomorrow.

[popo8]

Hope u never need to pull the vc on the passengerside...lol

Still so awesome ma .


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[firebird_1995]

Yea I'm going to try to make it in 3 pieces so I can unbolt the supercharger and mounting plate as one piece.

[popo8]

Yea I'm going to try to make it in 3 pieces so I can unbolt the supercharger and mounting plate as one piece.

Nice...make it happen man


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[firebird_1995]

So far I'm still really motivated on this. Supposedly roots type blowers offer instant boost and the torque is amazing. Looking forward to it.

[popo8]

So far I'm still really motivated on this. Supposedly roots type blowers offer instant boost and the torque is amazing. Looking forward to it.

I wanna see it working!!


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[firebird_1995]

OK I have fine tuned the model and this is what I came up with. All that's left is some trimming and removing material for lightening. I like the belt routing and position. For now it will be 6 rib but im using the rear-most grooves on the sc pulley so i can upgrade to 10 rib later without having to change the brackets. It will fit under a 4" cowl with about an 1-1/2" of clearance. This was the safest bet to make sure I didn't end up with a huge obstruction. The compressed air will exit the sc above the valve cover facing towards the fender. I'm still going to try to use the twin 2.5" intercoolers I picked up from camarozguy. I liked the idea of mounting the sc in the center of the engine because it would have kept the intercooler piping symmetrical but it just wasn't practical. 127111271212713

[firebird_1995]

Here's a shot with the sc and mounting plate removed. This will allow the valve cover to be removed.
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[firebird_1995]

Taking the block, crank, rods and studs and heads to the machine shop tomorrow. Going to let them see if we need an overbore so I can order pistons. I usually assemble my own engines but I think I'm going to have this one built. I don't have a way to file the rings anyways. :)

[popo8]

Taking the block, crank, rods and studs and heads to the machine shop tomorrow. Going to let them see if we need an overbore so I can order pistons. I usually assemble my own engines but I think I'm going to have this one built. I don't have a way to file the rings anyways. :)

Lol.....


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[firebird_1995]

So I pulled the mock motor out today and stripped it down to take to the machine shop. I knew it had a broken crank in it. What I didn't know was how bad it jacked up the block.127961279712798
When I got the car it would actually run. It obviously sounded like hell but it would start and idle. Unfortunately it pushed the front part of the crank into the main caps and wore the piss out of them. There is an edge rolled on each main from the crank being thrust into them. They are actually discolored with a blue tinge so I'm not going to chance it. I'm going to tear another one down tomorrow. This one spun a rod bearing so fingers crossed....

[popo8]

damn.... looks like exactly how my non forged eagle crank broke....

[firebird_1995]

Its a GM crank. Ive always heard that broken factory cranks are a rarity, and this was a stock motor with a b body cam. Guy said he was coming off of a interstate ramp and it went kablooey.

[popo8]

Its a GM crank. Ive always heard that broken factory cranks are a rarity, and this was a stock motor with a b body cam. Guy said he was coming off of a interstate ramp and it went kablooey.

Damn.... I have heard the same thing.. as the strength of factory cranks were stronger than many after market cast cranks.

[popo8]

Hey man... just wanted to see if there were any new updates for this build...

[firebird_1995]

Yes actually! We got cad drawings made up for the brackets today. Another member is going to help me out with getting them cut on his cnc router. Right now we are working on getting the th400 swap done in my dads camaro so I haven't been able to get the other block out to take to the machine shop. But that should be wrapped up in a few days.

[popo8]

Yes actually! We got cad drawings made up for the brackets today. Another member is going to help me out with getting them cut on his cnc router. Right now we are working on getting the th400 swap done in my dads camaro so I haven't been able to get the other block out to take to the machine shop. But that should be wrapped up in a few days.

Excellent!!! Excited to see ur roots project!


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[firebird_1995]

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[popo8]

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COOL... now make it reality. LOL

[firebird_1995]

Finally got my spare (last on hand :eek: ) lt1 shortblock dug out and taken to the machine shop today. Also, my m122 brackets will be in Thursday. Things should start moving along quickly now

[popo8]

Finally got my spare (last on hand :eek: ) lt1 shortblock dug out and taken to the machine shop today. Also, my m122 brackets will be in Thursday. Things should start moving along quickly now

Looking very fwd to see this!


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[Badbird_96]

Finally got my spare (last on hand :eek: ) lt1 shortblock dug out and taken to the machine shop today. Also, my m122 brackets will be in Thursday. Things should start moving along quickly now

Dude you only have a few months better be stepping it up.

[firebird_1995]

I know! Good thing is my machinist is really quick so I should have it back in a few weeks.

[popo8]

I bumped the count down thread for you.


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[firebird_1995]

Well the good news is I've got 90% of the parts I need to finish the first stage of the build which is where I hope to be at shootout time. In addition to fresh paint and the engine work its basically going to have a mildly beefed up 200-4r and the stock g body 10 bolt. I don't intent on flogging it on the track, it'll be there mainly for exhibition. My other camaro (dads car) will be there for beating on.

[firebird_1995]

M122 bracket fabbed up. Ready for final fitment when I get the engine back from the machine shop and in the car.

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[popo8]

WOW!, that it is 2 cool. You are really impressing me man.

[firebird_1995]

You uh, wanna go get some drinks sometime??

[JCzNova]

You uh, wanna go get some drinks sometime??

Yeah Saturday after we cruise!

[popo8]

You uh, wanna go get some drinks sometime??

hahahahahha!

[NuckinFutz93]

Cool build! I LOVE Montes. I had a few and will have one again one day. If/ when you get ready or need, I have a G body 8.5 and full UMI rear suspension.

[firebird_1995]

Thanks! I will be upgrading the rear, probably next winter though. What are you asking for all of it? How does it hold up to the power verses a 12 bolt?

[NuckinFutz93]

Well the 8.5 will hold just about as good as the 12 bolt. A 12 bolt only has an 8.8 ring gear. Add CM axles and a cover with bearing supports and you're good for 650 n slicks easy.

The rear has a new eaton posi in it, just needs upgraded axles ( Stockersare in it), all the UMI stuff- 650.00

[firebird_1995]

Sounds like a winner. Where you located?

[NuckinFutz93]

NC, but I send a truck to Kewanee,IL every few months. Is that close to you?

[firebird_1995]

About 4 hours. You going to the shootout this year? That would be about the time id be looking to do something with it anyways.

[NuckinFutz93]

Yuuup! I will have to check for room, closer to the event, but that works fine with me.

[firebird_1995]

Sounds good. We'll keep in touch

[Bersaglieri]

Subscribed.

[CamaroZGuy]

Looking awesome!

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[firebird_1995]

Little update..... selling the cc306 and going with a custom grind from LE. Id like to give thus setup the best chance for success as there has been interest in trying to make it work on a 4th gen.

[Bersaglieri]

I'm wanting to tinker with it in a C4 Vette...

[firebird_1995]

Oh yea. I'll bet it would fit. My dad has a 93. Next time he's over I'll bolt my bracket on and see what it looks like

[JCzNova]

Yuuup! I will have to check for room, closer to the event, but that works fine with me.

I would have enough room for that when the times comes, if you guys make a deal let me know. I will probably head out Thursday morning for the Shootout.

[firebird_1995]

Thanks man. I know I'm doing this build ass backwards but id like to know what kind of power I'm dealing with before I upgrade. If I only end up with 450ish I'm sure the stock rear will hold up. And the difference between a 200-4r that will hold 450hp and one that will hold 451 is about 1k.

[popo8]

WOW thats a big twist... gonna make it happen in the fbody..

I was thinking.. if this works.. you have something to patten and sell!

[firebird_1995]

I don't want to come out and say I'm looking to go into production or anything. All I'm aiming at doing at this point is getting this one going and find out if its a viable alternative to centrifugal sc or turbo not only in power but cost. If it proves to be, I would consider making some brackets for others.

[popo8]

I don't want to come out and say I'm looking to go into production or anything. All I'm aiming at doing at this point is getting this one going and find out if its a viable alternative to centrifugal sc or turbo not only in power but cost. If it proves to be, I would consider making some brackets for others.

:)

You could do what so many have been trying for a long time... only they did not think outside the box.

[firebird_1995]

Well I'm willing to help anybody interested. I've gotten a lot of insight from "pocket" on ls tech. Have to give him a lot of credit for his work putting an m122 in a 3rd Gen. Actually I believe his setup fit under a stock hood.

[JCzNova]

I have over 6" from the top of my intake to the hood. Definitely would love a roots build after the Shootout.

[popo8]

Im so very curious to see what kind of boost this set up can make....

[firebird_1995]

Oh man I didnt think about it but my nova has an SBC in it. The rear bracket bolts to the same holes the lt1 has. Imma bolt it up and take some pics......

[firebird_1995]

Im so very curious to see what kind of boost this set up can make....

No idea really. With the pulley setup im running I will have the blower rpm maxed out at 6k. I'm hoping for 15#

[popo8]

No idea really. With the pulley setup im running I will have the blower rpm maxed out at 6k. I'm hoping for 15#

And is it gonna be on a forged rotating assembly?

[firebird_1995]

Yes. Bottom end is good to 1k. I spent some extra money and upgraded to arp2000 rod bolts.


I've been reading that some of the ford guys are able to get 18-22lbs of boost out of there setups but I have no clue about what they are running.

[popo8]

POPO30 is a FORD NUT...

He just got rid of his cobra vert... it was SICK!!! He had alot of upgrades, it was like 700 rwhp....

Let me get him, and see if he can shed some light on the cobra blower on your LT1.....

[firebird_1995]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/01/ha5u4e4y.jpg

[popo8]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/01/je8uju3u.jpg


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[NuckinFutz93]

Your set up reminds me of the set up on the wife's old Saturn RedLine.

http://i47.tinypic.com/34gpll1.jpg

[firebird_1995]

Yea I looked at a few of those for ideas on belt routing. I like how the alternator runs on the backside of the belt. Depending on where it ends up I might have to use one like that.

I've also been thinking about when I get the engine done, starting it up without the sc hooked up until I get bugs worked out and for break in. I can just throw a throttle body on the front and run it. Shouldn't cause any problems I suppose?

[popo8]

so what made u decide to try to do the set up in fbody ratger than in the monte? weight?


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[firebird_1995]

I'm still doing the m122 in the monte. I've had a few guys ask me about making a bracket for the fbody also.

[popo8]

I'm still doing the m122 in the monte. I've had a few guys ask me about making a bracket for the fbody also.

i never really thought of the potential for this... and ur already a site sponsor....

these blowers are readily available as so many ford guys upgrade...and ur brackets should even be able to accomodate the upgrades they use also....




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[Bersaglieri]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/01/je8uju3u.jpg


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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Oh jesus, LMAO

[firebird_1995]

Yep. All I would be providing (if it works) is the brackets. The sc can be gotten for under 500 bucks, a lot of them have even been ported which is a plus. The intercooler and piping can be gotten on eBay for a few hundred. What I'm going to have to iron out is how to make it work without relocating accessories. But again, as of now, this is a one off project. I don't want to even try to entertain the idea of doing this for profit right now. Too many have done it in the past and not delivered.


And on a performance note, if this works well and I want to turn up the wick..... the blower the cobra guys are upgrading to (the TVS 2.2) would be a direct bolt on.

But I figured the m122 for the price is a no brainer for r&d

[Bersaglieri]

Yes, I've been eying the Cobra and truck M112's, I plan to measure both [friends vehicles] and see what my options are in the vette. It's a big task, but when completed it'll be the Aladeen!

[firebird_1995]

What kind of clearance do you have from the top of the intake to bottom of hood?


I've read that the eaton unit can be mounted in any position due to the sealed case. That might help in squeezing it in. If you had room for a set of dual m112s that would be great

[popo8]

have u thought of pushing the blower pully out...and also the crank hub...and run its own belt with a tensioner?


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[popo8]

Yes, I've been eying the Cobra and truck M112's, I plan to measure both [friends vehicles] and see what my options are in the vette. It's a big task, but when completed it'll be the Aladeen!

sooooo Aladeen. this whole build is aladeen!


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[firebird_1995]

Yea. That's actually how Jon (pocket) did his. For some reason I remember I was running into an issue with that..... front sway bar. By the time I added a pulley to the damper I would be into the sway bar. Probably not an issue on the fbody.

[popo8]

Yea. That's actually how Jon (pocket) did his. For some reason I remember I was running into an issue with that..... front sway bar. By the time I added a pulley to the damper I would be into the sway bar. Probably not an issue on the fbody.

im not 2 familiar with the monte motor compartment... but i wouldve thought that huge compartment will give u lots of room.

idk if it helps but a procharger kit on an 02 mustang utilizes a longer serpentine belt...and one belt for everything including the blower


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[firebird_1995]

As it sits now, the power steering and blower and a/c delete pulley and tensioner is ran off of the serpentine. If I can find a small enough alternator, I'll put it in the place of the a/c delete pulley. If not I'll mount a single v pulley to the damper and run it and the ac compressor

[firebird_1995]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1462971

This is where my inspiration came from. Great guy, very smart, and willing to share information.

[popo8]

i am very excited to see this work.


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[firebird_1995]

Well I spoke with Lloyd Wednesday night and again tonight. I should have a cam this time next week. My engine should be done by then and I can get it back in the bay and start the assembly. I'm hoping to have it drivable by the certified performace dyno day march 2nd. Its gonna be a push but I'm gonna try

[popo8]

that would be sooo awesome!

And lloyd is kick ass. love my cam...and that guy was sooooo mich help.


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[CamaroZGuy]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1462971

This is where my inspiration came from. Great guy, very smart, and willing to share information.

in that video in his thread it sounds like a firetruck when he is slowing down....

[JCzNova]

If you have the time to throw the brackets on the Nova and shoot some pics I am def following this one. Couple of those for $500 and less on eBay right now.

[JCzNova]

Bump for any update? I am just too excited to wait!

[firebird_1995]

Nothing exciting this week unfortunatly. Custom cam was ordered and should be in Monday or Tuesday. It kind of slowed things down but it will be worth it in the long run. Specs are 223/234 .537/.537 112 LSA. Other than that I have just been painting the underbody and engine bay with por-15 and straightening the original wiring out. Got the old harness removed and have all the gauge and ac wires pulled to the side and ready for splicing in. I will set the ecm harness in place when the engine is in so I don't short myself on length or computer placement. I've been eyeballing the megasquirt setup pretty hard. The ms3 has optispark support and from what I read, a great ability to tune for boost. But I am going to give the stock ecm a fighting chance although I am going to cap off my tuning budget very low. That setup can be had for around $500 and looks like it would be really easy to tune.

I'm hoping to have the engine back from the machine shop next weekend (wishful thinking) and have it ready for startup the following weekend. I will starting N/A first to break in and iron out any wiring issues before finishing the supercharger placement and intercooler piping.

Other than that, nothing new to report. I'm going to be working 60 hours a week for the next 2 months so its going to be hard to get anything done.

[popo8]

Bluebottlez is running an ms in hos 93... If u want i can put u in touch with hi.

MS Is here in PA so we actuallybhad the owner helping with some things that were confusing.


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[firebird_1995]

I'm just really impressed with the customer service and willingness to help. The cost is very affordable. I realize there is a lot of DIY that has to be done but the end product seems well worth the effort (from what I've READ).

I like the seemingly endless setup options, especially the tuning based on wideband o2 input. Plus the system can be used on anything.

But like I said, I'm going to give the stock ecm a chance, but if for some reason the blower is capable of pushing more than 15 pounds, I think its going to hold me back.

[popo8]

I'm just really impressed with the customer service and willingness to help. The cost is very affordable. I realize there is a lot of DIY that has to be done but the end product seems well worth the effort (from what I've READ).

I like the seemingly endless setup options, especially the tuning based on wideband o2 input. Plus the system can be used on anything.

But like I said, I'm going to give the stock ecm a chance, but if for some reason the blower is capable of pushing more than 15 pounds, I think its going to hold me back.

And i just want to confirm ur going with an fbody now...right?


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[firebird_1995]

The m122 project is going in the monte carlo.

I think where the confusion came in is I said there has been some interest in the fbody, meaning I've had some guys that would like to try to get an m122 to fit in theirs. Which will be a huge task if its going to be intercooled. But after I get this one running and find out what its capable of I will put something together in the parts car.

[popo8]

The m122 project is going in the monte carlo.

I think where the confusion came in is I said there has been some interest in the fbody, meaning I've had some guys that would like to try to get an m122 to fit in theirs. Which will be a huge task if its going to be intercooled. But after I get this one running and find out what its capable of I will put something together in the parts car.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I totally did not comprehend that correctly. Now I get it!

[firebird_1995]

It was probably a joint effort. Sometimes I don't explain what I'm trying to say very well. Mix that with a splash of late night pain meds and I'm pretty sure that's how it happened.

[firebird_1995]

Did bluebottlez like the megasquirt?

[popo8]

Did bluebottlez like the megasquirt?

IT was a huge pita to hook up with alot of things that needed to be figured out at the time.... and still was not completley tuned.

But it was neat to watch the tuning on the fly... literally listening to the idle of the car changing as the tuner was changin parameters.

He started with the Micro Squirt and it was not opti capable.. then upgraded to one of the MEGAs, and got that to work... but at first it was 90* out on reading timing....

I guess what im trying to say is the car never made it to better than 70% right to say it was worth all the headache.

[popo8]

It was probably a joint effort. Sometimes I don't explain what I'm trying to say very well. Mix that with a splash of late night pain meds and I'm pretty sure that's how it happened.

LOL... well now it is cleared up.. and Im more excited again.

Ive always loved those MC SS, and when you showed it as your project I was very excited!

[firebird_1995]

I bought this pinstripe removal wheel that is supposed to rip the decals right off without damaging the topcoat. So I put it in my drill and let her fly. Needless to say there is no more decals or stripes on there anymore but I think I added several more hours of sanding and feathering of the paint underneath the decals because in some places I went down to primer......:banghead:

[popo8]

I bought this pinstripe removal wheel that is supposed to rip the decals right off without damaging the topcoat. So I put it in my drill and let her fly. Needless to say there is no more decals or stripes on there anymore but I think I added several more hours of sanding and feathering of the paint underneath the decals because in some places I went down to primer......:banghead:

Damn... A steady hand...and a razor blade is all i ever used tonremove pin stripes.


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[firebird_1995]

I actually tried that on these. They were the originals and brittle. You'd get about enough to start pulling and it would break. Start over, repeat. I did the one rear quarter like that in about an hour. I didn't want to have 8 hours in removing vinyl so out came the ripper. It worked really good though. Had the whole car done in 15 minutes. I think the problem was my drill speed was too fast.....

Oh well, its all got to come off anyways I guess.

[popo8]

I actually tried that on these. They were the originals and brittle. You'd get about enough to start pulling and it would break. Start over, repeat. I did the one rear quarter like that in about an hour. I didn't want to have 8 hours in removing vinyl so out came the ripper. It worked really good though. Had the whole car done in 15 minutes. I think the problem was my drill speed was too fast.....

Oh well, its all got to come off anyways I guess.

Well im sure ull prob do something with paint eventually.


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[firebird_1995]

Quick update. LE cam came in yesterday and got a call from my machine shop that the engine should be done tomorrow. Going to try to make arrangements to get it picked up so I can get it in the engine bay Sunday. Also, megasquirt is on the way. Not sure if I want to run it right off the bat or not though.

[CamaroZGuy]

Make it go vroom!

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[popo8]

Keep us posted... And lots of pics


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[firebird_1995]

Good news.... got my refund granted by paypal from the bad seller. He still has not made contact with me. At this point I believe its safe to say to avoid buying from him. So I'm happy about that and the fact my engine is back. We only worked 8 hours today so I started looking it over when I got home
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/20/ebaterud.jpg
and this caught my eye....
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/20/avurapan.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/20/9yhe6y3y.jpg

I know what it is
And im pissed. Can you spot it?

[Blackbird96WS6]

Ummmm, I'm a newb. What's the problem I'm supposed to see here? :confused:

[popo8]

Im not seeing it.
but im on phone.
Computer may help me see better.


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[shownomercy]

Ummmm, I'm a newb. What's the problem I'm supposed to see here? :confused:

Believe the rods in backwards, I did the same assembling mine.

Spiral locks suck so much.

[firebird_1995]

Its hard to see in the pic but the rod is twisted. Not sure why they didn't catch it during the reconditioning or assembly. Calling this morning to see what's going to happen. Most likely going to buy a new set of rods...

[popo8]

Holy crap man...i never would have caught that.

Ur good!


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[firebird_1995]

Well my dad was able to take the engine back to the machine shop today and they were able to confirm the rod was twisted. He is going to check all of them and as long as the rest are good I'll only be buying one rod. He will reassemble on his dime. Should have it back Monday or Tuesday.

[CamaroZGuy]

ahh, no vroom vroom.... :(

[79LT1Monte]

Too bad, I was looking forward to seeing that thing at our dyno day. I guess I'll have to wait until the Shootout. :)

[popo8]

Well at least the shop is standing behind their work.

[firebird_1995]

Too bad, I was looking forward to seeing that thing at our dyno day. I guess I'll have to wait until the Shootout. :)

Yea there has just been too many setbacks to make it. We might bring dads camaro again to see if we can lean it out a little.


Well at least the shop is standing behind their work.

I've had mixed feelings about it. Mistakes happen and yes, they are standing behind their work. On the other hand it should have never left the shop like that in the first place. I've been going to this guy for about 12 years. His prices have always been a little high in my opinion but I've never had any complaints with the quality of work. Due to a lot of business recently, the guy that owns the shop has had to hire 2 guys to help out where it used to be just him and his son before. I hope these goons dont ruin it for his reputation. Its a common story unfortunately.

[popo8]

Yea there has just been too many setbacks to make it. We might bring dads camaro again to see if we can lean it out a little.



I've had mixed feelings about it. Mistakes happen and yes, they are standing behind their work. On the other hand it should have never left the shop like that in the first place. I've been going to this guy for about 12 years. His prices have always been a little high in my opinion but I've never had any complaints with the quality of work. Due to a lot of business recently, the guy that owns the shop has had to hire 2 guys to help out where it used to be just him and his son before. I hope these goons dont ruin it for his reputation. Its a common story unfortunately.

And if they do...u pull him aside (if u care about his rep) and tell him.


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[firebird_1995]

Good idea

[popo8]

Its all about lookin out for one another.


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[79LT1Monte]

[QUOTE=firebird_1995;293873]Yea there has just been too many setbacks to make it. We might bring dads camaro again to see if we can lean it out a little.


Sounds good, remember we are giving all LTXTech members half price pulls. $30 for three pulls.

[firebird_1995]

Little update....
Got the engine back and today after work I had a small energy burst, (alcohol induced) and decided to get a jump on this weekends goal. I have the oil pump and windage tray mounted. Also stabbed in the cam and put the timing chain on. I slipped the tc cover on without the gasket and there are no clearance issues. Goal is to have it all sealed up, painted, and ready to install tomorrow.
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[JCzNova]

Everything is so shiny! Looking good man, excited to see a swap project of this caliber.

:headbang:

[popo8]

Me 2... This project actually has me looking for ss montes.....


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[firebird_1995]

Got a little done on the engine today. Cleaned and installed the oil pan, head studs (very time consuming), heads, lifters, and front timing chain covers.
I guess I'm going to have to get a keyed crank hub. I wasn't thinking when I installed the crank sprocket. The woodruff key extends beyond the gear. The hub installs all the way up to the gear. I guess I should have ground it down flush with the sprocket. Oh well, probably need a keyed crank for driving the sc anyways. Also need to pick up a neutral balanced flexplate. Im going to get some more parts and try to have the engine ready to install by next sunday.
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[firebird_1995]

Well I installed the lifters and a pair of rocker arms and was checking the pushrod length when as I was rotating the crank I heard a thunk. Sounded metal to metal and kind of hollow like the oil pan. First thing that came to mind was the rods hitting the oil pan. So I pulled off the freshly rtv'd oil pan, destroyed the gasket, and found the rod was no where near the oil pan. Took a look in the #2 hole (where the twisted rod was replaced and seen the piston was all up in the cylinder heads crevices. Pulled the head off and sure as shit, the piston was out of the hole. The machine shop who my entire family had went to for decades had replaced my 5.7 rod with a 6.......
So I called Monday and the guy confirmed my suspicious, one of the employees who he had hired to help with all the new business had dropped the ball yet again. He is going to replace the rod, oil pan gasket, and head gasket. All in all, a pretty big setback and disappointment.
Today I removed the old fuel tank and took measurements for new fuel line. I also modified the frame for clearance of the low mount alternator.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/11/meby9y5a.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/11/8atytusy.jpg
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Wednesday I hope to get the new fuel tank, pump and lines ran. I'm probably going to relocate the battery into the trunk while I'm at it.

[popo8]

Ok...at this point. The owner owes u something.

Simply for the inconvenience...

Sorry bud.


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[JCzNova]

Sorry you have hit yet another setback. That definitely puts dyno day out the window.

You know how great it is to see a member assembling his own ride though?!?!?! Some folks just like to do a lot of talk, stroke the pen in the checkbook and let someone else build a bad*ss ride for them.

[firebird_1995]

Well I'm still hoping to have it ready by then. If it looks like its going to be close I might take a day off to get it done.

[firebird_1995]

So I took a day off from work today to get some things done (eye exam and visit a chiropractor for some advise on the back injury, but mostly for my engine). Got my rod situation lined out, I'm satisfied with how he handled it. Oil pan and head is back on and I installed the rockers and push rods. After my appointments I will prime the oil pump and put the intake on....

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/udaqavy4.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/4e5y2uta.jpg

[JCzNova]

Excitement is in the air ! ! !

[firebird_1995]

Don't mind the red water neck. Everything is getting blacked out after the intake goes on.

[JCzNova]

Don't mind the red water neck. Everything is getting blacked out after the intake goes on.

I wasn't gonna bring it up. Lol

[firebird_1995]

I wasn't gonna bring it up. Lol

Is this better??
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/e2yme4um.jpg

[popo8]

Is this better??
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/e2yme4um.jpg

That looks soooooo awesome.


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[firebird_1995]

It's hard to tell in the pic but the engine is painted metallic black. It matches the car almost exactly.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/by3azemy.jpg
I like black.

[popo8]

Dude... I wanna touch ur engine in naughty ways.


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[firebird_1995]

With all the setbacks and mistakes made I was about ready to shelf it. Now that its coming together I'm starting to get pumped up about it. Every thing should start moving along fairly quickly now. Im hoping we will drop it in Saturday night and I can start on the fuel system Sunday. I'm going to lay a factory harness and ecm in the engine bay for initial startup and fine tuning the belt alignment. It should be ready to fire in one week.

[popo8]

Im so excited.... I cant wait to see it all said and done so i can make an offer on the completed project. :)


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[popo8]

Can i post a pic of ur engine on our fb page... Or would u like me to wait?


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[JCzNova]

Is this better??
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/e2yme4um.jpg

:claps: :woot::shocked::yay:

[JCzNova]

REALLY wish I had a bottom end to build #2 of the series...

[firebird_1995]

Im so excited.... I cant wait to see it all said and done so i can make an offer on the completed project. :)


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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LOL I don't think projects like these ever get completely completed.


Can i post a pic of ur engine on our fb page... Or would u like me to wait?


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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Yea you can.

[firebird_1995]

REALLY wish I had a bottom end to build #2 of the series...

Yea that blows. Something else will come along though. Always good deals on the board if you have time to collect parts. I have a notification set for any new posts in the general sales thread.

But I'm thinking your car needs 2 superchargers. I've been thinking about that bracket already.....

Id like to get an evil opti or ltx tech logo on the next ones, with permission of course

[Fastbird]

That's freaking sick.

[CamaroZGuy]

Is this better??
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/e2yme4um.jpg

Sick!

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[zmm95]

How did I miss this?! WOW! my mouth is watering from this build lol. looks like you've done a great job so far...I'm excited to hear how it runs!

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[JCzNova]

Yea that blows. Something else will come along though. Always good deals on the board if you have time to collect parts. I have a notification set for any new posts in the general sales thread.

But I'm thinking your car needs 2 superchargers. I've been thinking about that bracket already.....

Id like to get an evil opti or ltx tech logo on the next ones, with permission of course

If you want to talk about a double setup for the Nova, I am all ears. I have more hoood clearance than any of the F-body guys, and am going with a small cowl eventually too.

[shownomercy]

Sorry to be late to the party here, but the way you have that front plate, all of the belt load and weight of the blower itself is supported by the 4 TB bolts?

Done any analysis on the bolts? I would worry they will not like that load much.

[ginoz28]

Call me a dumbass but how does that work? The inlet to the SC is back how does it come out of the bottom and go to the intake?

[firebird_1995]

Sorry to be late to the party here, but the way you have that front plate, all of the belt load and weight of the blower itself is supported by the 4 TB bolts?

Done any analysis on the bolts? I would worry they will not like that load much.

There is another bracket on the back of the head and helps support the weight. Also that plate coming off the front of the intake has an ear that will attach to a mounting point off the accessory bracket. You can see it a little better in some of the earlier pictures.


Call me a dumbass but how does that work? The inlet to the SC is back how does it come out of the bottom and go to the intake?

Inlet of the blower is on the side, outlet is on the bottom. It will go through an intercooler and back into the front of the intake. The throttle body will be mounted on the inlet side of the blower.

[popo8]

Im actually going to create an album on our fb page with a link to this thread. ive stolen many of ur pics already...and ill even quote some of ur descriptions ..IF...

thats all ok with u....


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[cholmes729]

There is another bracket on the back of the head and helps support the weight. Also that plate coming off the front of the intake has an ear that will attach to a mounting point off the accessory bracket. You can see it a little better in some of the earlier pictures.



Inlet of the blower is on the side, outlet is on the bottom. It will go through an intercooler and back into the front of the intake. The throttle body will be mounted on the inlet side of the blower.

Can we get some pics of that?

[firebird_1995]

Can we get some pics of that?

Post 67,68, and 86 should give you a pretty good idea of what's going on with the brackets.

[firebird_1995]

Im actually going to create an album on our fb page with a link to this thread. ive stolen many of ur pics already...and ill even quote some of ur descriptions ..IF...

thats all ok with u....


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No problem. After I get everything done I will go back through the thread and clean everything up and explain better what I've done. I've got another set of brackets ready to fab up so I can do a little better on the next one with the step by step

[shownomercy]

Ok theres an additional bracket I just missed it I guess, my bad.

Other than that, just one more thing, the plates are both in parallel correct? IE no perpendicular piece to prevent any waviness in the plates from the blower moving axially front to back. Just thinking out loud, inner engineer of me, sorry lol

[firebird_1995]

There are some gussets on the bracket that bolts to the head. The plate that holds the sc will have a piece of box tube underneath it acting as a plenum for the outlet air, it may provide some additional support but not much. I know nothing about bolt loads or structural design so I'm open ears to any suggestions you may have!

[firebird_1995]

Here are some installed close ups of the brackets.
Rear bracket
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/15/a4a7edet.jpg
Front bracket (I'll have a piece of round tube welded to it that will extend to the accessory bracket)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/15/ebygesyq.jpg
Sc mounting plate (the triangle is the outlet.)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/15/y5abupe6.jpg

[popo8]

Omg... I am getting my arse hamded to me on fb....

"i dont understand how ur gonna get air from the blower to the intake..."

Lol... Like a million times!


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[NoMoneyZ]

Just read through this whole thing. Very impressed. I would love to have this for my skylark build. I have tons of space in there. If you build a new one put me in line for this bracket. Your doing an amazing job.

[shownomercy]

My only concern, and its prob unfounded, is that the plates provide good support if you load the top of the "box" but once you have a side load on them, there is nothing to stop them from bending/bowing. Obviously thats extreme to think they would visibly deform but I know how important belt alignment is with blower cars. So perhaps add some more support in the fashion of an X between the corners?

Just thinking out loud.

[firebird_1995]

I see what you're saying. The easiest thing I can think of to do is add bars similar to the brackets we have on the G body alternators that tie the intake to the supercharger mounting plate. Do you think that would help?

[firebird_1995]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/16/9yry9aju.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/16/y9y2a7uh.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/16/6ajy3y6u.jpg

[firebird_1995]

A little more (less exciting) progress today. Transmission and driveshaft is in. I have ran the new fuel lines, but still need to put the tube nuts on and hook them to the tank. I have the new tank, fuel pump, and pickup ready to go in. Im waiting to install it until I get a nice day to por-15 the underside around the tank area. I also started the "alternator relocation mod" to see if I had had enough clearance and theres all kinds of room with the modified frame now. I threw a belt on for an idea of routing. I believe I will add an idler where the bolt goes that ties the throttle body plate to the accessory bracket to give a little more clearance between the belt. Here are some pics.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/18/esajahy9.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/18/sesyby3a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/18/u8upuhu2.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/18/u5a8azyj.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/18/emyve7ez.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/18/4a9e5yma.jpg

[popo8]

thats some GREAT progress man... ur kickin ass.


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[firebird_1995]

thats some GREAT progress man... ur kickin ass.


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Thanks man. I've been trying really hard to make the march 24th deadline. The header snafu kind of took the wind out of my sails. It was rainy and cold and I just couldn't spend anymore time out there today. Hoping to have the new headers in Wednesday and possibly the radiator and hoses.

[popo8]

Thanks man. I've been trying really hard to make the march 24th deadline. The header snafu kind of took the wind out of my sails. It was rainy and cold and I just couldn't spend anymore time out there today. Hoping to have the new headers in Wednesday and possibly the radiator and hoses.

thats a tight deadline...esp with a full time job!


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[ginoz28]

I have to see this thing running B-)

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[firebird_1995]

Me too buddy

[twgoodspeed]

good luck im interested to see how this turns out, would love to see in person

[firebird_1995]

You can! It WILL be finished by this years shootout. Come check it out!

[firebird_1995]

Did a little work today. Made a bracket for the alternator relocation.....
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/24/qu4yjeje.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/24/3ynujeny.jpg

Also ran the fuel lines up to the engine bay. I'm putting the fuel filter on the wheelwell and going from there to the fuel rails with braided line. I have the return side done but ordered the wrong style supply line fitting and forgot a hose end on my last summit order. Damn ambian....

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/24/hahuhe6a.jpg

[popo8]

lovin this project.
Great fab skills man!


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[79LT1Monte]

Looking good.

[firebird_1995]

Thanks guys. I've got the next 2 weeks off so I'm looking to have this project done (or close to) by then. I have a pair of schoenfeld headers coming, they're supposed to be here April 1st so that should be the last thing I'm waiting on.

[DMBlack]

Looking forward to seeing this thing running. Did you decide to scrap the A/C?

[firebird_1995]

Not yet. I'm going to see how bad the clearance is with the headers and if its just a matter of fiberglass, I'll just modify the box and wrap the tubes near the box in some of that fancy heat shield stuff. If worse comes to worse I'll try to relocate the evaporator. I've gotta have my AC

[popo8]

hows the week off goin for progress... or has it not started yet?


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[firebird_1995]

So far so good. Trying to do as much as i can while waiting for the headers and accel dfi. I got a lot done to the bracket today. All it lacks from being finished is the blower outlet pipe welded in and paint. Then I'll mount it and fine tune the final fit before adding the piece that ties it to the accessory bracket and drilling the rear bracket to secure it together. The intercooler and piping are due in tomorrow so I was holding off on pics until then.

Getting ready to put in (hopefully) my last summit order right now.

If all goes well next week will be dedicated to wiring and as soon as the headers come in it will be go time.

[popo8]

awesome man... dont forget to update this thread tho... i watch it religiously.... i know others must be also.


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[firebird_1995]

Oh I will. I'm not very good about stopping to snap pictures when I'm on a roll but I always try to get a few at the end of the day. I was going to show the bracket but I wanted to wait until it was finished to avoid confusion.


Ah screw it.......
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/27/uqe4yred.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/27/e8u7yjuv.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/27/7evaryje.jpg

Second picture shows where the outlet will be (in red)

[popo8]

mannnnnn, i cant wait!


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[firebird_1995]

Me too. Should have some video by next weekend if all goes well. Although sometimes I get sidetracked making blower noises when I should be working....

[popo8]

Me too. Should have some video by next weekend if all goes well. Although sometimes I get sidetracked making blower noises when I should be working....

hahahaha... i know the feeling.


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[JCzNova]

hahahaha... i know the feeling.


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Me three! And I'm NOT even on a blower build.

[firebird_1995]

This picture shows the outlet of the blower and inlet to the intake
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/28/vemusene.jpg
31x12x4 intercooler
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/28/e7uvy9y2.jpg
Playing nice and sharing the airflow
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/28/he6a4yde.jpg
Working on tubing now.

[firebird_1995]

I still need to get a 3" 45° silicone elbow for the outlet of the blower, a piece in between the two 90's on the inlet side of the intercooler, and a 4x3 reducing elbow for the intake but here is what I have so far....

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/28/7yne7ebe.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/28/me4ahyme.jpg

[Chris]

This build is awesome

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[firebird_1995]

Does anyone happen to have the part number for the small idler puller that guys use on the alternator relocation mod (not the ac delete pulley but smaller)?

[popo8]

Does anyone happen to have the part number for the small idler puller that guys use on the alternator relocation mod (not the ac delete pulley but smaller)?

no... but i may have my old procharger tensioner pulley at home...it was non grooved and tiny...if ur interested.


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[firebird_1995]

no... but i may have my old procharger tensioner pulley at home...it was non grooved and tiny...if ur interested.


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Thanks man. Im not sure if a non grooved pulley will work. I'm using it to pull the belt away from the power steering pulley.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/30/e7yvu9eh.jpg

[JCzNova]

My hands are starting to shake!!!

[Fastbird]

I love this build. So freaking cool.

[JCzNova]

Anybody else want to build one?

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/3693823266.html

[popo8]

Thanks man. Im not sure if a non grooved pulley will work. I'm using it to pull the belt away from the power steering pulley.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/30/e7yvu9eh.jpg

np man...

and that pic is SEXY.

gonna post it on FB.


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[zmm95]

Looking GREAT man!

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[popo8]

i love watchin people on fb...get
all worked up.

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[firebird_1995]

Get a lot of "can't do it", "should have done it this way", "won't work...."

Never once in this build have I said I'm building this for maximum power. I don't expect it to outdo a d1 with similar mods. I did it because I didn't want to pay $3500 for a supercharger. Will I get what I paid for? We will see, but based off of others success with these blowers, id say it will be within the realm of an entry level centrifugal.

[popo8]

Get a lot of "can't do it", "should have done it this way", "won't work...."

Never once in this build have I said I'm building this for maximum power. I don't expect it to outdo a d1 with similar mods. I did it because I didn't want to pay $3500 for a supercharger. Will I get what I paid for? We will see, but based off of others success with these blowers, id say it will be within the realm of an entry level centrifugal.

i love the factor of not being main stream. anyone can build what i have..... but not what ur making.


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[firebird_1995]

No pics tonight but the accel dfi came in today, I sorted the wiring out and laid it into place. Tomorrow will be chocked full of soldering. The headers shipped out today and should be here Thursday. Knowing that should give me a little kick in the pants to get this thing done.