Bad day to be a Cop (good or bad)

[popo8]

30 minutes outside of the township where I work...

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news%2Flocal&id=8809947

[popo8]

http://www.facebook.com/RipOfficerBradFox

[popo8]

Fox was to turn 35 years old Friday.

[94Blackbird]

I hate seeing stuff like this in the news. And the fact that he was also a Marine just makes it that much worse. R.I.P. Brother, you will be sorely missed by all who knew you personally and by reputation!

[Badbird_96]

Rip and my condolences to the family. Sucks cops do their job to protect people and they are the ones that get the short end of the stick. Did he leave a family behind?

[popo8]

child... wife, and I believe she may have been pregnant....

2moro was his 35th birthday.

[Badbird_96]

That's horrible and young also. I always hear people say they hate cops. A cop is a person trying to do their job just like the rest of us. Just so happens a cops job is putting themselves in danger to keep us safe. How can the same people that say that about cops turn around and love the military? Same job just one is next door and one isn't.

Sorry to get off topic.

[94Blackbird]

the only real difference is that the public doesn't deal with the military while we are doing our job. I guarentee people wouldn't like the military if they were on the receiving end of what we do. People who don't like cops are just scumbags who are too afraid to break the law because they are afraid of big bad bubba in prison.

[popo8]

the only real difference is that the public doesn't deal with the military while we are doing our job. I guarentee people wouldn't like the military if they were on the receiving end of what we do. People who don't like cops are just scumbags who are too afraid to break the law because they are afraid of big bad bubba in prison.

Amen!


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[94Blackbird]

If you go to any military town, most of the native civilians do not like military guys. They tolerate them to get their money, but that is about it.

[biggriff]

prayers for his family...keep safe brother...

[meissen]

Very sorry to hear. The Detroit area is mourning the loss of an officer as well - a man was being investigated by the FBI and was getting divorced and barricaded himself in his house with a ton of weapons and fired upon police when they entered the house, killing a Bloomfield Hills officer. His funeral is today. Married with children as well. Horrible shame.

[popo8]

Almost lost another one from a dept that borders mine....

so Im very close to some of these guys...


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See below for a press release regarding the shooting last night in New Hanover. All responding officers are okay.

PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: SEPTEMBER 16, 2012

Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman and New Hanover Township Police Chief Kevin McKeon announce the joint investigation into a shooting incident at 2327 Colflesh Road in New Hanover Township.

On Saturday, September 15, 2012 at 10:32 PM, New Hanover Township Police responded to a reported 911 call from 2323 Colflesh Road. While enroute to the residence, the officer was stopped by a motorist and told there was a problem at 2327 Colflesh Road. The officer arrived on scene and observed a Mercedes SUV fleeing from the driveway at 2327 Colflesh Road. The officer activated the emergency equipment on the marked patrol car in an attempt to stop the vehicle. As the officer followed the vehicle, the operator continued to drive erratically onto several surrounding roads. The vehicle returned back to the area and drove into the driveway at 2327Colflesh Road.

The officer engaged in a foot pursuit with the operator, who was identified as Daniel Jobson, age 56. The foot pursuit traveled through the garage of the residence and into a second floor stairway. As the officer approached the top of the stairway, Jobson fired a single gunshot toward the stairway. Jobson then barricaded himself inside a bedroom. As the officer took a position of cover on the stairway, he heard a second gunshot inside the bedroom. Jobson was found deceased inside the bedroom with an apparent gunshot wound to the head. No one else was inside the home at the time of the incident.

Detectives recovered a Glock 9mm pistol, and two (2) spent 9mm shell casings near Jobson’s body. An additional loaded magazine was also recovered at the scene. The firearm was owned by Jobson. Through the investigation Detectives learned that Jobson was involved in a domestic disturbance at his residence prior to his flight from the residence and shooting at the responding officer.

Jobson was transported to the Montgomery County Coroner’s Office for autopsy. Results of the autopsy are pending.

Approved for release:
Risa Vetri Ferman

[popo8]

Almost lost another one from a dept that borders mine....

so Im very close to some of these guys...


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See below for a press release regarding the shooting last night in New Hanover. All responding officers are okay.

PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: SEPTEMBER 16, 2012

Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman and New Hanover Township Police Chief Kevin McKeon announce the joint investigation into a shooting incident at 2327 Colflesh Road in New Hanover Township.

On Saturday, September 15, 2012 at 10:32 PM, New Hanover Township Police responded to a reported 911 call from 2323 Colflesh Road. While enroute to the residence, the officer was stopped by a motorist and told there was a problem at 2327 Colflesh Road. The officer arrived on scene and observed a Mercedes SUV fleeing from the driveway at 2327 Colflesh Road. The officer activated the emergency equipment on the marked patrol car in an attempt to stop the vehicle. As the officer followed the vehicle, the operator continued to drive erratically onto several surrounding roads. The vehicle returned back to the area and drove into the driveway at 2327Colflesh Road.

The officer engaged in a foot pursuit with the operator, who was identified as Daniel Jobson, age 56. The foot pursuit traveled through the garage of the residence and into a second floor stairway. As the officer approached the top of the stairway, Jobson fired a single gunshot toward the stairway. Jobson then barricaded himself inside a bedroom. As the officer took a position of cover on the stairway, he heard a second gunshot inside the bedroom. Jobson was found deceased inside the bedroom with an apparent gunshot wound to the head. No one else was inside the home at the time of the incident.

Detectives recovered a Glock 9mm pistol, and two (2) spent 9mm shell casings near Jobson’s body. An additional loaded magazine was also recovered at the scene. The firearm was owned by Jobson. Through the investigation Detectives learned that Jobson was involved in a domestic disturbance at his residence prior to his flight from the residence and shooting at the responding officer.

Jobson was transported to the Montgomery County Coroner’s Office for autopsy. Results of the autopsy are pending.

Approved for release:
Risa Vetri Ferman

[96lt1m6]

This kind of crap is happening all over the country! Thank GOD the Officer was not injured in this incident..

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[popo8]

This kind of crap is happening all over the country! Thank GOD the Officer was not injured in this incident..

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You aint kidding.. Im not saying any one officer is more important than another.. but I get sick to my stomach when they are killed on the other end of the country... 2 x-mas ago, we lost one of our own to an Off duty incident (that was his own fault)... last week Ofc Fox, 30 min from my twp was killed ... and now in a Twp that borders mine...I work (well I used to) with these guys every day.. we all work 1 man at a time on duty, so I have even handled calls for them before....it just seems to keep getting closer.

[96LT1355Z28]

Badbird_96 and 94blackbird hit the nail on the head, thank you. This is becoming an all to often occurance, rip Officer Fox and prayers go out to his family. The country is restless and people are at the end of their wits. Unfortunatly the "cops" are the first form of "goverment" people see and have to take the brunt of everyones frustrations. It seems like comon courtsey and respect for others has gone completly out the window for all but a handfull.

[popo8]

Badbird_96 and 94blackbird hit the nail on the head, thank you. This is becoming an all to often occurance, rip Officer Fox and prayers go out to his family. The country is restless and people are at the end of their wits. Unfortunatly the "cops" are the first form of "goverment" people see and have to take the brunt of everyones frustrations. It seems like comon courtsey and respect for others has gone completly out the window for all but a handfull.


Well said... and its our families that will have to suffer.

[popo8]

Last week it was the ex SHERIFF's Deputy/Marine that killed Chris Kyle & Littlefield.



and now, a terminated LAPD Officer/ARMY has been on a killing spree:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57568231-504083/christopher-dorner-manhunt-ex-cops-manifesto-promises-warfare-on-lapd/


Its all going to shit people.....

[Chris]

Obama wants our guns, taxes are going up, we owe other countries alot of money. Not good times

[Bersaglieri]

Tell me about it, every night I sit down and watch the news I get more and more disgusted.

[popo8]

Tell me about it, every night I sit down and watch the news I get more and more disgusted.

ITs really getting scary.

[Madman337]

Yeah and I dont recommend going to LA if you can avoid it till they get this guy, 3 innocent people shot by Torrance and LAPD because they were driving pick up trucks that kinda looked like the crazy mans. I personally think that they should shoot this guy just because he is a cop killer but I also can not agree with cowboy tactics that have been used and these officers should be terminated for just cause IMO.

[Bersaglieri]

Wow, I didn't see that yet. Time to make some food and watch some news.

It's a tough cookie what's going on over there.

[Madman337]

Wow, I didn't see that yet. Time to make some food and watch some news.

It's a tough cookie what's going on over there.

It really is bad and now I have been hearing how the people are scared of this nutcase and the cops, its all bad and LAPD needs to get this guy and do some serious damage control.

[green96ta]

It is a crazy situation. It should show people just how important the 2nd amendment really is.

Im just thankful the NRA is as big as it is now, or things might have already gone south on capitol hill for us gun owners. If your not a member you should become one, Ive never been into lobbyist groups, but at least they are fighting for our rights.

[McCauleyWB]

Dorner was a local guy. We even went to the same elementary school -- though years apart. I definitely noticed a lot more black and white presence in the area. Have you read his manifesto? Crazy stuff.

[popo8]

Dorner was a local guy. We even went to the same elementary school -- though years apart. I definitely noticed a lot more black and white presence in the area. Have you read his manifesto? Crazy stuff.

No, is it posted somewhere?

[Bersaglieri]

Taking the man hunt into the mountains during a snow storm. Maybe crazy but not stupid, well unless he's unprepared.

Also isn't anyone else thinking Rambo First Blood?

[popo8]

Taking the man hunt into the mountains during a snow storm. Maybe crazy but not stupid, well unless he's unprepared.

Also isn't anyone else thinking Rambo First Blood?

Exactly what i was gonna say..and he is confirmed military also.

And he is a Big boy!



Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[LT1RUNNER]

Sign of the times.........

[NTXLTX]

It damn sure makes a case that we are not doing anything like enough to support our returning combat veterans! When they become homicidal/suicidal they absolutely require immediate top tier psychiatric/psychological help. Our active duty transient commands that discharge these individuals just are not screening them well enough! The V.A. apparently doesn't have the ability, and how could they, to reach these vets when they need it most and will seek it least? We have to do something for these troops, and apparenly Barry OWEbama's answer is to try to defund the V.A...

[popo8]

It damn sure makes a case that we are not doing anything like enough to support our returning combat veterans! When they become homicidal/suicidal they absolutely require immediate top tier psychiatric/psychological help. Our active duty transient commands that discharge these individuals just are not screening them well enough! The V.A. apparently doesn't have the ability, and how could they, to reach these vets when they need it most and will seek it least? We have to do something for these troops, and apparenly Barry OWEbama's answer is to try to defund the V.A...

You make some points, but we dont even know what set this guy off. We know that the people he killed was the daughter of a supervisor who was also his representation in a Police disciplinary action for which he was terminated back in 08 or 09.

[McCauleyWB]

Here is a unredacted version of the manifesto:

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php

Other than the guy being homicidal...he kind of comes off as a badass in the manifesto. Even made me chuckle a couple times.

[popo8]

Here is a unredacted version of the manifesto:

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php

Other than the guy being homicidal...he kind of comes off as a badass in the manifesto. Even made me chuckle a couple times.

Wow.. this is gonna take a while... It ends abruptly I see....

[McCauleyWB]

It brings up some interesting points. Definitely had people on edge -- though I didn't see the freeway marquees running info about his pickup anymore. Guess they figure he is out of the area.

[popo8]

I also want to say...he is clearly an educates man.

He writes very well.


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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[Sahara54]

It brings up some interesting points. Definitely had people on edge -- though I didn't see the freeway marquees running info about his pickup anymore. Guess they figure he is out of the area.
They found his truck burned out yesterday morning in Big Bear.

[gojo83]

I read prolly about half of it and I got to say that it appears that he has been planning this for a while but it also appears that he didn't take proactive steps to get himself fixed. If you can tell you are depressed then that is why there is the VA and things like that... I was in that situation and I can say that I can feel him on some of the things he said but he is going about it the wrong way. It took a kick in the a$$ to get me straight but even the ppl I work with and family and friends can see I have come out of the dark tunnel. It is about knowing that you have to take care of yourself first before anyone else. The biggest problem I see with what I read and his mentality is that he valued position higher than the actual true source of personal fulfillment.

This being said I find it funny that the media is painting him as a mad man but yet in the writing he sings their praises. It is sort of amusing that the media is not releasing how he was such a staunch advocate of Obama but rather as a nutcase with a gun going on a rampage and killing "innocent" people. This being said I believe it is just the tip of the iceberg of what is to come. I wont go fully into my suspicions of what the future holds but I can say I see this country ripping apart at the seams and not in a good way and isn't this basically what happened when the confederates wanted to control?

This being said there is one phrase that comes to mind with all that is happening... " if you don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it" to me this is not just the united states history but the history of other great civilizations and empires such as the romans and greeks. A lot of what scares me or is being shown signs is the similiarities of our nation and Germany in the mid to late 30s. Gun control was a hot topic as was the devaluation of the monetary system.

[McCauleyWB]

Bring in the drones?

http://m.gizmodo.com/5983175/report-ex+cop-christopher-dorner-is-now-a-target-for-drones

[popo8]

Bring in the drones?

http://m.gizmodo.com/5983175/report-ex+cop-christopher-dorner-is-now-a-target-for-drones

Did you read this question???

Should armed drones actually be authorized to fire on Dorner,

[Neil350]

Tell me about it, every night I sit down and watch the news I get more and more disgusted.

Truth, tough to watch, especially local news.

[popo8]

Truth, tough to watch, especially local news.

Its really a bad bad place out there.

So much that is not in the public eye.... its horrible the things people do to people.

[firebird_1995]

I've read everything but the manifesto but let's "what if" for a second....


What if this guy was honestly blackballed for doing the right thing? What if he was brought up on trumped up charges for being a whistleblower? You remember the Rodney king beatings I'm sure..... officers using unnecessary force and so on. The lapd is a conglomerate complete with lawyers, lobbyists, PR, etc. They were brought to their knees all because someone caught that act on film. If the film hadn't existed, id be willing to bet you would have never heard about it. Swept under the rug with who knows what else. I believe there is a LOT more about this situation that what the public knows. And just to be clear I don't condone vigilante actions or killing the innocent, and while its still wrong and illegal what he's doing, as more details come out I think we'll see this wasn't just a random act of violence.

[popo8]

I've read everything but the manifesto but let's "what if" for a second....


What if this guy was honestly blackballed for doing the right thing? What if he was brought up on trumped up charges for being a whistleblower? You remember the Rodney king beatings I'm sure..... officers using unnecessary force and so on. The lapd is a conglomerate complete with lawyers, lobbyists, PR, etc. They were brought to their knees all because someone caught that act on film. If the film hadn't existed, id be willing to bet you would have never heard about it. Swept under the rug with who knows what else. I believe there is a LOT more about this situation that what the public knows. And just to be clear I don't condone vigilante actions or killing the innocent, and while its still wrong and illegal what he's doing, as more details come out I think we'll see this wasn't just a random act of violence.


You know I can understand and completely empathize with the part I high lighted in red... but no matter how bad it gets, losing a job.... he is now killing people.

Even when It was happening to me... I utilized my lawyers... utilized a lawsuit to protect myself, etc.... Not killing.

We all know, every story has two sides, and the truth is somewhere in the middle, but it will take alot more than a set up and losing my job to KILL... And on top of that he is killing not only civilians, but COPS (maybe that means more to me as a cop... but its serious)

[firebird_1995]

I agree completely, what he's doing now is wrong. And just to re-emphasize....


And just to be clear I don't condone vigilante actions or killing the innocent

I just got done reading the entire manifesto ( yes even the part where he said "Cyclist, I have no problem sharing the road with you. But, at least go the fucking speed limit posted or get off the road!!! That is a feasible request. Livestrong you fraudulent assholes." )

He started out strong, showing to be a misunderstood, wronged, broken man and in the middle became a serial killer and at the end its clear that he is deranged, his "goodbyes" are all over the place. I think if he would have chosen a less homicidal path he could have gotten is message out and possibly did some good. But in these times no one is going to side with a man that says he is going to eradicate another mans family, including his children. Hopefully he is caught before any of what he said happens.

[popo8]

I may not be the most up to the moment on the media...so please keep this updated with new info as they share it witg us.


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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[McCauleyWB]

Saw this morning that there is a 1 million dollar reward out now on Dorner. More details are coming out about the second pickup the police lit up last week too. Though the title says "mistaken identity," it doesn't appear as though they tried to identify the (presumably white) driver before ramming his truck and opening fire.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story

[popo8]

http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6116026-Officer-killed-in-Dorner-ambush-identified/?source=newsletter&nlid=6113558

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — The Riverside police officer who was gunned down last week while on patrol was identified Sunday as Michael Crain, a decorated Marine who leaves behind a wife and two young children.
Crain was described by a former patrol partner as a family man who could easily calm a situation on the job by the way he spoke to people. He was one of the department's finest officers and was "everybody's friend," Patrolman Joshua Ontko said.




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"Mike was just a good person that made a great cop," said Ontko, who rode with him almost a decade ago.
Crain's funeral is set for 10:30 a.m. Wednesday, Feb. 13, at The Grove Community Church in Riverside. Ontko will be one of his honor guards.
Police withheld Crain's name for three days after the attack, fearing that his family would be targeted by the suspected gunman, Christopher Dorner, an ex-Los Angeles policeman who has vowed to kill police officers and their families. The Press-Enterprise agreed not to publish it until shortly before it was announced Sunday.
Crain was a Riverside County resident. His family is under protection, Riverside police Lt. Guy Toussaint said.
Crain's name was made public at a Los Angeles news conference where law enforcement officials from numerous agencies announced an unprecedented $1 million reward leading to Dorner's capture and conviction.
Riverside Mayor William "Rusty" Bailey acknowledged the bravery and sacrifice of Crain and other officers who ensure the public's safety.
"We lost one of those courageous souls this week, and we stand here today in solidarity to ask Christopher Dorner to surrender without further loss of life," Bailey said.
Crain, 34, was a husband and father who relished life's simple joys: spending time with his wife, Regina; coaching his 10-year-old son Ian's baseball team; watching his 4-year-old daughter Kaitlyn dance.
Family was Crain's No. 1 priority, Ontko said.
On the job, Crain was someone other officers wanted to be around. And he always treated people he came across with respect, Ontko said.
"He had a way of talking to people … and people listened to him," he said. "What he taught me was that, half the time, people, no matter what their situation is, just want to be heard."
Crain also was focused on officer safety. When he responded to a call, he did it in the safest way, said Ontko, 34. He was always aware of his surroundings, always had a plan if something went bad.
"That's what's so sad. He didn't even have a chance. There's nothing he could have done. He never even saw it coming," Ontko said of the shooting.
Ontko and Crain shared a love of old cars. In his spare time, Crain worked on his classic 1970 Chevy Nova.
'Unforgettable'
Information released Sunday, Feb. 10, by Riverside police painted a picture of a big-hearted man who kept his "huge personality" hidden behind a straight face.
"He made an unforgettable impression on everyone he met," a department news release said.
Crain has a younger brother, Jason, and sister, Leslie, the department said. Jason Crain, who owns Hired Guns Lawn and Tree Care in Redlands, said Sunday his family did not want to talk and would release information about Michael through the Police Department.
Crain was born in Anaheim and raised in the Riverside area, police said. After graduating from Redlands High School in 1996, he studied at Crafton Hills College in Yucaipa for a year before joining the Marine Corps.
He was deployed twice in Kuwait as a rifleman in the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines. He was a squad leader and was promoted to the rank of sergeant.
He was then stationed at Camp Pendleton, where he taught military operations in urban terrain, specialized training that used techniques Crain would later use on the Riverside police SWAT team.
During his military service, Crain was awarded the Good Conduct Medal, the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon with one star, a certificate of commendation and the Rifle Marksmanship Badge.
Crain went straight from the Marines to the Riverside Police Department in August 2001. In addition to the SWAT team, Crain served as a helicopter observer and a firearms instructor, and was assigned to the University Neighborhood Enhancement Team, an effort with UC Riverside police to patrol the area around campus.
Fatal Shooting
Crain also was a field training officer. That's what he was doing on the graveyard shift Thursday, Feb. 7, when a vehicle pulled up next to their patrol car and a suspect opened fire with an assault rifle.
Crain was killed. His partner, a 27-year-old trainee whose name is still being withheld by police, was shot in the arms and shoulders while sitting in the driver's seat.
The trainee was incapacitated by the wounds and had to rely on a witness to the shooting to help him push the microphone button on his radio to make a distress call, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz said.
Police identified Christopher Dorner, 33, as the shooter. He was fired from the Los Angeles Police Department in 2009 for making a false accusation against his training officer.
Dorner posted a manifesto on his Facebook page denying that he lied and vowing to kill police officers and their families until LAPD officials acknowledge truth in his allegation that his training officer used excessive force against a mentally ill man she was arresting.
Police say Dorner killed Monica Quan, the daughter of a retired LAPD captain who represented Dorner during his unsuccessful fight to keep his job, and her fiancé, Keith Lawrence, in Irvine on Feb. 3.
Four days later, about 20 minutes before the 1:35 a.m. attack on Crain, Dorner allegedly fired at two LAPD officers who were in Corona to protect someone listed in Dorner's manifesto.
One of the officers was grazed in the head by a bullet.
Dorner's Nissan Titan truck was found smoldering in the San Bernardino Mountains near Big Bear later that morning. Police are focusing their search in that area.

[popo8]

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LOS ANGELES — A fugitive ex-police officer's claim in an online "manifesto" that his career was undone by racist colleagues conspiring against him comes at a time when it's widely held that the Los Angeles Police Department has evolved well beyond the troubled racial legacy of the police beating of black man Rodney King and the O.J. Simpson trial.
Christopher Dorner, who is suspected in a string of vengeance killings over the past week, has depicted himself as a black man wronged, whose badge was unjustly taken in 2008 after he lodged a complaint against a white female supervisor.




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"It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me," Dorner said in online writings authorities have attributed to him. Racism and officer abuses, he argued, have "gotten worse."
The LAPD was once synonymous with violent and bigoted officers, whose culture and brand of street justice was depicted by Hollywood in films like "L.A. Confidential" and "Training Day."
But Dorner's problems at the LAPD, which ended with his dismissal in 2008, played out as the officer ranks were growing more diverse and then-Chief William Bratton was working hard to mend relations with long-skeptical minorities.
"This is no longer your father's LAPD," Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa declared in 2009.
Civil rights attorney Connie Rice said the department should review the Dorner case and his claims, while stressing that she is not defending the suspect in any way and is shocked by the attacks.
"The open racism of the days before is gone," said Rice, who closely tracks racial issues inside the department. "The overall culture has improved enormously."
Police say Dorner shot and killed a couple in a parking garage last weekend, the beginning of a rampage he said was retribution for his mistreatment at LAPD. A massive search for him continued Saturday.
The woman who died was the daughter of a retired police captain who had represented Dorner in the disciplinary proceedings that led to his dismissal. Hours after authorities identified Dorner as a suspect in the double murder, police believe he shot and grazed an LAPD officer and later used a rifle to ambush two Riverside police officers, killing one and seriously wounding the other.
"This is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD," Dorner wrote in a 14-page online manifesto.
On Friday, a community of online sympathizers formed, echoing complaints against police that linger in some communities. One Facebook page supporting Dorner, which had over 2,300 fans by Friday evening, said "this is not a page about supporting the killing of innocent people. It's supporting fighting back against corrupt cops and bringing to light what they do."
Dorner's case is complicated.
After the Naval reservist returned to LAPD after a deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.
Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking suspect Christopher Gettler, a schizophrenic with severe dementia, in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.
Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned home on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice in the chest by a police officer.
However, Dorner's report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.
Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."
Rice was quick to point out that while the LAPD culture has improved, there are still what she calls pockets of bad behavior.
That was echoed by Hector Villagra, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.
"There has definitely been improvement from those dark days," Villagra said. "We are in a vastly different place, but there still are opportunities for improvement in this and any other police department."

[popo8]

http://www.policeone.com/chiefs-sheriffs/articles/6114937-LAPD-gives-new-truck-to-women-mistaken-for-Dorner/?source=newsletter&nlid=6113558

LAPD gives new truck to women mistaken for DornerChief Charlie Beck met with the women to apologize and tell them he had arranged for someone to donate a new pickup truck




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By Tami Abdollah
Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — A mother and daughter newspaper delivery team who were mistakenly shot by Los Angeles police hunting for a fugitive former cop will get a new pickup truck courtesy of the department.
LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith says the department's Chief Charlie Beck met with the women in their Torrance home Saturday to apologize and tell them he had arranged for someone to donate a new pickup truck.
The truck will be donated early this week, Smith said.
The women were accidentally struck by gunfire in the pre-dawn hours Thursday after it was reported that Christopher Dorner was sighted in the area. Beck called it a case of mistaken identity.
Dorner has vowed to avenge his firing from the department, which he wrote in an online manifesto was retaliation for reporting officer violence.

[popo8]

Off topic, but just showing shit getting much worse....


http://www.policeone.com/mass-casualty/articles/6115846-3-dead-in-courthouse-shooting-in-Delaware/?source=newsletter&nlid=6113558

Audio: 3 dead in courthouse shooting in DelawareDelaware State Police Sgt. said the suspected gunmen and two women are dead




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By Randall Chase
Associated Press
WILMINGTON, Del. — Three people died Monday morning in a shooting at a courthouse in Delaware, including the shooter, authorities said.
Delaware State Police Sgt. Paul Shavack confirmed three people died in the shooting at the New Castle County Courthouse in Wilmington. He said the suspected gunmen and two women are dead. The city's mayor said earlier in the day that one of the women killed was the shooter's estranged wife, but Shavack said police had not confirmed that was the case.



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Wilmington Mayor Dennis Williams said in a telephone interview that he was told the man shot and killed his wife.
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Shavack said two police officers suffered non-life-threatening injuries.He said officers exchanged gunfire with the shooter in courthouse's lobby before he passed metal detectors. Shavack did not say whether the shooter killed the two women or whether they were killed in the gunfire. Shavack also did not say how the shooter died.
Dozens of police cars and emergency vehicles were on the streets surrounding the courthouse in the hours after the shooting, and police were searching the courthouse room by room as a precaution.
Jose Beltran, 53, a court employee who works in the building, was entering the lobby Monday morning when he heard two shots. He said he turned around and ran.
"It happened so fast," he said, adding he heard three or more shots as he ran.
Dick Lawyer works across the street at the law office of Casarino, Christman, Shalk, Ransom & Doss and said his office building had been on lockdown since about 8:15 a.m. The shooting occurred about five minutes earlier. He said he and colleagues were shaken at first but calmer hours later. "We have a couple of people whose relatives work at the courthouse," he said.
Robert Vess, 68, dropped off his wife, Dorothy, 69, for jury duty at the courthouse Monday morning. He said it wasn't until after 10:30 a.m. that she was able to call him and let him know she was safe. Vess said his wife, who works as a baker at a grocery store, was crying when she called, but he thought she would be all right.
"She had said, `If I had my way, I'd do jury duty every day,' but I don't think so after this," Vess said.
State police scheduled another briefing at noon.

[NuckinFutz93]

This world is going to hell in a hand basket, QUICK!

[popo8]

This world is going to hell in a hand basket, QUICK!

Im really so bothered by it... I feel sidelined during the big game and even though Im not near where these problems are.. I feel like I have the ability to get out there and work on this shit here... and yet Im not allowed.

[McCauleyWB]

Dorner spotted in Big Bear area and shootout ensues:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-engaged-in-big-bear-area-shootout-at-least-2-officers-wounded-police-say-1.html

[Chopstix]

surronounded in a cabin

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-surrounded-by-police-in-cabin-after-gun-battle-2-officers-hurt.html

[McCauleyWB]

surronounded in a cabin

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-surrounded-by-police-in-cabin-after-gun-battle-2-officers-hurt.html

Beat me to it. Was just about to update with that article -- though it reads like a different revision of the first article posted. Either way, it seems to cut off at the most important part. They don't seem to say what happened afterward.

On another note, I find it interesting that Riverside police said Dorner shot those officers while stopped at a light (not searching for him). Then federal documents were released saying the officers were indeed searching for Dorner.

[McCauleyWB]

No one can confirm it is Dorner. They believe he is held up in the cabin still. Live feeds on a couple local news sites:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/live-video/
http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2KilAFOsX (better footage)

There was also a site broadcasting the police scanner, but those channels were removed for "officer protection." Apparently on of the news sites had video of the shootout, but I have not seen it replayed yet. One of the officers shot has apparently passed.

[popo8]

I read his manifesto again today... I hate to say it.. but I can feel his frustration...

Not saying I agree with the way he went about it... but Having been put through similar crap.... I almost understand.

(PLEASE DO NOT TAKE WHAT I WROTE AS ME SAYING I SUPPORT THE KILLING OF ANYONE OVER DISAGREEMENTS)

[firebird_1995]

I read his manifesto again today... I hate to say it.. but I can feel his frustration...

Not saying I agree with the way he went about it... but Having been put through similar crap.... I almost understand.

(PLEASE DO NOT TAKE WHAT I WROTE AS ME SAYING I SUPPORT THE KILLING OF ANYONE OVER DISAGREEMENTS)

No I agree with you. If he would have just wrote the first 1/3 of it and not killed anyone id say his call for justice would have carried more weight. With just what I've read id say the guy was legitimately screwed, it just went on too long and he snapped.

[popo8]

No I agree with you. If he would have just wrote the first 1/3 of it and not killed anyone id say his call for justice would have carried more weight. With just what I've read id say the guy was legitimately screwed, it just went on too long and he snapped.


Ok, I was very concerned writing that and coming across the wrong way... but if there is 50% fact to what he writes...he was screwed BIG!!!

[popo8]

So... He is dead.

I almost wish he would have written hisnmanifesto and hired a great attorney or firm... I think what he alledges really may be truth...

It just finally broke him.... I geel bad...cause ive been so close... Ive fought it tho....


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[McCauleyWB]

It does appear as though he is dead. A good question is whether or not the fire was intentionally set. There are recordings of radio chatter that refer to a "burner." I hope the homeowner had insurance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SCdqybEfy9w

[McCauleyWB]

1:20 mark:


http://youtu.be/sisVskohj1k

[McCauleyWB]

0:38 mark:


http://youtu.be/po9EaU7ZjxI

[popo8]

Known tactic for swat: When an armed subject has killed one officer and shot another, SWAT will no longer make entry into the structure. It will be either burned down, or bulldozed.

I got that straight from an LA County Sheriff "friend."

[McCauleyWB]

It doesn't surprise me. I just don't care for the hypocrisy of it. To kill someone without a trial...to enact vengeance on someone [Dorner] who was seeking his own convoluted justice (though going about it the entirely wrong way). Not to mention complete disregard for someone's personal property. It is also something that I don't see the authorities taking responsibility for.

[popo8]

It doesn't surprise me. I just don't care for the hypocrisy of it. To kill someone without a trial...to enact vengeance on someone [Dorner] who was seeking his own convoluted justice (though going about it the entirely wrong way). Not to mention complete disregard for someone's personal property. It is also something that I don't see the authorities taking responsibility for.


And I agree with you... I wrote it earlier... I dont agree with what he did... but Ill be damned if I could not feel just a little bit of what he was feeling... that loss, that hoplessness, etc.

He snapped, and it was wrong, but I think...... i dont know what I think.

[dawdaw]

I feel that if we look just a little bit back in time, look at all the people that stood up and killed in the name of what they believed was right and how many people that shed their blood for this nation because of so many different things (freedom from britain, civil war, civil rights, etc.) . Is it morally the right thing to do? Yes/No you are ultimately the judge, the guy felt he was vindicated and wronged and probably didn't want to go threw the b.s.... everyone can sit on the sidelines and judge and say he was a killer psycho whatever, but until your placed in another mans shoes it's a whole different ballgame. If the stuff that happened to him is true you can't say he was completely wrong for what he did... but shoot the way things now a days are with how screwed up the court system is, the fact that he is an EDUCATED black guy, and IF the stuff he was saying was true, i could see the guy easily winning his court case.. my 2 cents

[BLK95-Z]

I do not agree with him killing people but the SWAT team murdered that guy....

[popo8]

I do not agree with him killing people but the SWAT team murdered that guy....

We dont have to agree. Unfortunatley when someone has made clear intentions to kill law enforcement... Then they will not hesitate to kill civilians.

Clearly reasoning is not an option. He was not killed by them... He was killed by the choice not to exit the burning structure.

(still think we will find he killed himself)


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[BLK95-Z]

We dont have to agree. Unfortunatley when someone has made clear intentions to kill law enforcement... Then they will not hesitate to kill civilians.

Clearly reasoning is not an option. He was not killed by them... He was killed by the choice not to exit the burning structure.

(still think we will find he killed himself)


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

Thats true. I honestly figured they would just wait it out and try negotiating a surrender, totally didnt expect them to burn the cabin down. Ive never ever heard of any law enforcement doing that to anyone.

[BLK95-Z]

The guy he carjacked said he was so calm and professional about it he didnt even feel in danger!

[popo8]

There are alot of tactics that the law enforcement elite reserve for special situations.

Not saying they are humane...and in a perfect world he should be in jail waiting his day... But then again...in that perfect world...he woild have never been the victim that he alledges.


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[McCauleyWB]

What would they have done if Dorner had taken a hostage in the cabin rather than exchange gunfire with the deputies? They definitely wouldn't have burned it down with one of their own in there. Who knows what they would have done if an innocent bystander was a hostage. Point being, they would have come up with another way. Was setting a blaze the last option or an easy out?

[McCauleyWB]

I forgot though...the department is saying they did not intentionally set a fire. Sure.

[BLK95-Z]

They knew they were going to kill him. What Im wondering is how did they know it was just him in there?

[popo8]

Again...the theory is a sane person cant hide where they can breath.

Sanity would escape into capture...or death.


Im gonna say this again...cops dont go to jail... Not saying NONE do. But the majority run or end it if thats whats inevitable.

And a hostage situation is a different situation... An "innocent" who did not make a concious decision to kill is added to the equation....

However...he had made a concious decision to hurt people.

Again...there may be more humane ways... But at the same time...he is killings... Cant just allow him to keep doig it...cause if he will kill a cop...he will kill a civilian..and escape can not be an option.


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
LTXtech.com

[BLK95-Z]

Now a loophole for the reward money....




Several private citizens were instrumental in cornering cop killer Christopher Dorner ... but there may be a gigantic loophole preventing any of them from collecting the loot.

There are 3 rewards. The Mayor of L.A. announced a $1 million reward -- funded by private groups -- for information leading to the "capture and conviction" of Dorner. Big problem -- technically speaking, Dorner must be both captured AND convicted to trigger the reward.

The L.A. City Council offered a $100,000 reward for information leading to "the identification, apprehension, and conviction" of Dorner. Again ... no conviction. City Council sources tell us there's already a disagreement between the Legislative Analyst and the City Attorney over how to interpret the reward language.





And finally ... the L.A. County Board of Supervisors offered a $100,000 reward for information "leading to the capture (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0213_reward_2.pdf) of Christopher Dorner." One source at the Board of Supervisors tells TMZ, "Dorner was cornered but not captured."

Translation ... technically speaking, no one may be entitled to the reward. It's unclear if the Mayor, the City Council and the Board of Supervisors will bend the rules.

[CamaroZGuy]

I do not agree with him killing people but the SWAT team murdered that guy....

im late to this and have not read the hole thing, but

Rules of Engagement/Use of Force, once you open fire on LE....your life is now forfeit!

[popo8]

im late to this and have not read the hole thing, but

Rules of Engagement/Use of Force, once you open fire on LE....your life is now forfeit!


That is the rule... and the thing is...inthe military.. in LE, we have learned this is the way of life... like it or not.

We in uniform are the last resort... if our lives mean nothing, then a civilian stands no chance....

The problem is when discussing it with civilians who are not living that mentality, it really is a difficult thing to understand.

WHY, because we are the LAW.. we are not the JUDGE, we should not be able to make the decision to end someones life... but the thing is... we can... its part of what makes us...us.

When I was in the academy... An instructor said something to me, that I wont ever forget.....

"what other career, gives you the ability to both give life and take life in the same shift, LEGALLY"
(obviously that means within the guidelines of the law)

Again, I will not argue this with anyone.. I understand both sides... I do.

[popo8]

The Dorner case: When cops turn rogueWhat makes a LEO turn from protector to punisher? How can we predict when this will happen and to whom? How do fellow officers react to an eruption of violence by one of their own?




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The search for the rogue former LAPD cop came to an apparent end Tuesday when a man believed to be Christopher Dorner bolted from hiding, stole two cars, barricaded himself in a vacant cabin, and mounted a last stand in a shootout that left one sheriff's deputy dead.
As uneasy as we all feel when a citizen commits an act of mass violence, we are all the more creeped out when the perpetrator is someone whom society regards as one of their protectors. That’s why media accounts of bad doctors, bad soldiers, and bad cops get such glaring attention.
But what makes a LEO turn from protector to punisher? How can we predict when this will happen and to whom? How do fellow officers react to an eruption of violence by one of their own? And what can the law enforcement community do to prevent these incidents in the future?


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A manifesto, a manhunt, and a murderous mess (http://www.policeone.com/Fugitive/articles/6112506-A-manifesto-a-manhunt-and-a-murderous-mess/)Christopher Jordan Dorner, a former Navy lieutenant and ex-LAPD police officer, had declared 'war' against his former law enforcement brothers and sisters.




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Why Cops Turn Rogue
It is rarely the case that an otherwise high-functioning officer just snaps and becomes violent; typically, there has been a long trail of less severe incidents that have been overlooked and ignored.
These may include:
• An unusually high number of excessive force complaints
• Evidence of corruption such as fabrication of evidence
• Misuse of vehicles and other duty equipment
• Multiple absences, latenesses, and other scheduling abuses
• A history of multiple complaints and grievances filed by the officer against the department
• Frequent confrontations with coworkers and supervisors; and/or a history of domestic problems in the officer’s family and personal life
This is typically the officer for whom “it’s always something.” In this respect, these officers share many of the features of other disgruntled employees who are at risk for violence.
Some of these officers see themselves as a “cop’s cop” — priding themselves in their prowess with weapons and tactics, surveillance, vehicle pursuit, or number of arrests, which can result in frequent confrontations with the public.
Others skillfully play the surrounding community and are often seen as “hero officers” who are always the first to rush in to save a citizen from assault or rescue a kitten out of a tree.
They may receive multiple glowing commendations from the public, all the while leading a secret underlife of corruption or criminal activity. When their double life is exposed, they may at first try to protect themselves by deflecting blame, but pushed to a wall, they may resort to violence for self-protection or revenge.
Officers with a narcissistic, paranoid, or borderline personality structure may crave adulation from peers, supervisors, and the general public, and when they fail to get enough of it — or worse, are unfairly (in their eyes) disciplined or terminated from their position — they may boil over into paranoid conspiracy thinking or narcissistic rage.
While this usually expresses itself in the form of intradepartmental grievances, lawsuits, and formal complaints, some individuals may convince themselves that all the blame for their misfortune falls on a particular person or organization, and that they therefore “have no choice” but to wreak violent vengeful justice.
Typically, all blame is externalized — nothing is ever their fault — and each person who fails to help them sufficiently becomes added to the hit list of co-conspirators who deserve their righteous comeuppance.
As with many mass-homicide scenarios, the perpetrator is often prepared to die in a Rambo-esque “blaze of glory,” rather than be taken and treated like a common criminal, sometimes fantasizing that his cinematically heroic acts will be lauded and his name will become a household word.
How Fellow Officers React to Rogue Cops
Any employee who decides to take the law into his own hands presents a dangerous situation for supervisors, coworkers, and the general community — and law enforcement professionals are trained to regard these suspects with extreme caution.
But when the perpetrator is a fellow LEO, the emotional reaction by other officers can be especially wrenching, and may fall into several categories.
There but for the grace of God go I. This is the identification factor. Many officers have felt unappreciated, disrespected, exploited, manipulated, abused, and/or discriminated against by members of their own department.
They can well relate to the frustration and anger of the rogue cop, and may even have harbored violent revenge fantasies of their own (“Boy, would I enjoy seeing that asshole lieutenant’s blood spatter on the wall.”).
But most people possess that inner mental brake pedal that prevents us from putting our violent fantasies into action, either because of moral considerations or simply because the trouble we’d be in just isn’t worth the satisfaction we might get.
We have other fish to fry we tell ourselves, so forget that jerk.
We may take administrative or legal action or even quit, but we know what the boundaries are for civilized behavior. But even though we may disagree with the rogue cop’s actions, we may be able to relate to his motives and we may secretly wonder: “What would it take to push me over the edge?”
You know the drill, why are you putting us through this? Even if the motive for the rogue cop’s actions are understandable, nobody knows better than a LEO how dangerous a deadly-force encounter with an armed suspect can be.
Intense anger may be felt for the suspect who is knowingly endangering the lives of his colleagues, even if they are ex-colleagues. This seems to be a stark perversion of the code of mutual protection and backup that officers have: we’re supposed to do everything humanly possible to protect our brothers in blue and this guy is doing everything he can to harm us.
He should know better — how dare he put us through this!
Great — one more reason for people to hate us. Most officers strive to preserve an image of service and professionalism. They hate it when the media drool over “bad cop” stories that are often exaggerated or taken out of context.
A rogue officer who commits violence is catnip to all the cop-haters who probably didn’t need another excuse for their prejudice but who now have one more rationalization to treat law enforcement with contempt or outright confrontation: “You cops are all crazy killers, so I have a right to defend myself, right?”
Although most citizens have at least a grudging respect for good LEOs, rogue cop incidents provide one more slap in the face of the majority of good cops just trying to do their jobs.
Preventing Rogue Cop Incidents
No prevention plan is foolproof, but there are common sense measures that police agencies can employ to minimize the risk of cops going rogue.
Although events like the Christopher Dorner tragedy are rare, other types of everyday LEO misconduct are more common, and many of the prevention measures that apply to them will also be effective for preventing the more dramatic episodes.
1.) Selection and Screening
Take officer selection seriously. Many problem officers are flagged on pre-employment screening, but the signs are overlooked or ignored.
If someone has had a past history of trouble, it is likely to follow him or her to your department.
2.) Education and Training
Train officers to be alert to signs of stress in their peers and encourage a culture of support so that officers who think one of their peers needs help can feel comfortable informing their chain of command without being branded as a snitch.
In all employment settings, fellow workmates are typically the first to notice a problem long before it becomes apparent to supervisors or managers.
3.) Fitness-for-duty Evaluations
If an officer’s performance problems seems to relate to a mental disorder or stress syndrome, refer them for a thorough psychological evaluation — not as a form of punishment or stigma, but just the opposite: to give the underperforming or misperforming officer a chance to correct the problem before it becomes a serious disciplinary issue.
4.) Mental Health Services
Referral for psychological evaluation should be backed up by support and encouragement for seeking psychological help.
The rank and file will take their cue from the brass as to how mental health services are regarded within the departmental culture. Many a violent incident has been deterred and many a law enforcement career saved by appropriate mental health intervention and support.
5.) Fair Discipline
A law enforcement agency lives and dies by its rules, protocols, and chain of command. Where internal investigation and disciplinary action are necessary, every effort should be made to administer these measures fairly.
It is astounding how many incidents of workplace violence are precipitated by crass, harsh, insensitive, and prejudicial disciplinary action on the part of cruel of just clueless supervisors or managers.
Yes, a person must possess a certain entitled and aggressive mindset to commit mass murder, but don’t give these individuals an excuse to act out their revenge fantasies by meting out gratuitously callous discipline or termination.
Remember All the Good Guys
Most LEOs do a competent job and many do an exemplary one. Bad cops of all stripes, from the simple moocher and goldbrick, to the thumper of excessive force, to the murderous rogue cop, are the minority.
Take pride in the important role you play in society and protect that role by being alert to those within your ranks who would tarnish and demean it.

[popo8]

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The search for the rogue former LAPD cop came to an apparent end Tuesday when a man believed to be Christopher Dorner bolted from hiding, stole two cars, barricaded himself in a vacant cabin, and mounted a last stand in a shootout that left one sheriff's deputy dead.
As uneasy as we all feel when a citizen commits an act of mass violence, we are all the more creeped out when the perpetrator is someone whom society regards as one of their protectors. That’s why media accounts of bad doctors, bad soldiers, and bad cops get such glaring attention.
But what makes a LEO turn from protector to punisher? How can we predict when this will happen and to whom? How do fellow officers react to an eruption of violence by one of their own? And what can the law enforcement community do to prevent these incidents in the future?


Related Feature:


http://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/Doug-Wyllie-2012-75x95-v1.jpg
A manifesto, a manhunt, and a murderous mess (http://www.policeone.com/Fugitive/articles/6112506-A-manifesto-a-manhunt-and-a-murderous-mess/)Christopher Jordan Dorner, a former Navy lieutenant and ex-LAPD police officer, had declared 'war' against his former law enforcement brothers and sisters.




Related content sponsored by:




Why Cops Turn Rogue
It is rarely the case that an otherwise high-functioning officer just snaps and becomes violent; typically, there has been a long trail of less severe incidents that have been overlooked and ignored.
These may include:
• An unusually high number of excessive force complaints
• Evidence of corruption such as fabrication of evidence
• Misuse of vehicles and other duty equipment
• Multiple absences, latenesses, and other scheduling abuses
• A history of multiple complaints and grievances filed by the officer against the department
• Frequent confrontations with coworkers and supervisors; and/or a history of domestic problems in the officer’s family and personal life
This is typically the officer for whom “it’s always something.” In this respect, these officers share many of the features of other disgruntled employees who are at risk for violence.
Some of these officers see themselves as a “cop’s cop” — priding themselves in their prowess with weapons and tactics, surveillance, vehicle pursuit, or number of arrests, which can result in frequent confrontations with the public.
Others skillfully play the surrounding community and are often seen as “hero officers” who are always the first to rush in to save a citizen from assault or rescue a kitten out of a tree.
They may receive multiple glowing commendations from the public, all the while leading a secret underlife of corruption or criminal activity. When their double life is exposed, they may at first try to protect themselves by deflecting blame, but pushed to a wall, they may resort to violence for self-protection or revenge.
Officers with a narcissistic, paranoid, or borderline personality structure may crave adulation from peers, supervisors, and the general public, and when they fail to get enough of it — or worse, are unfairly (in their eyes) disciplined or terminated from their position — they may boil over into paranoid conspiracy thinking or narcissistic rage.
While this usually expresses itself in the form of intradepartmental grievances, lawsuits, and formal complaints, some individuals may convince themselves that all the blame for their misfortune falls on a particular person or organization, and that they therefore “have no choice” but to wreak violent vengeful justice.
Typically, all blame is externalized — nothing is ever their fault — and each person who fails to help them sufficiently becomes added to the hit list of co-conspirators who deserve their righteous comeuppance.
As with many mass-homicide scenarios, the perpetrator is often prepared to die in a Rambo-esque “blaze of glory,” rather than be taken and treated like a common criminal, sometimes fantasizing that his cinematically heroic acts will be lauded and his name will become a household word.
How Fellow Officers React to Rogue Cops
Any employee who decides to take the law into his own hands presents a dangerous situation for supervisors, coworkers, and the general community — and law enforcement professionals are trained to regard these suspects with extreme caution.
But when the perpetrator is a fellow LEO, the emotional reaction by other officers can be especially wrenching, and may fall into several categories.
There but for the grace of God go I. This is the identification factor. Many officers have felt unappreciated, disrespected, exploited, manipulated, abused, and/or discriminated against by members of their own department.
They can well relate to the frustration and anger of the rogue cop, and may even have harbored violent revenge fantasies of their own (“Boy, would I enjoy seeing that asshole lieutenant’s blood spatter on the wall.”).
But most people possess that inner mental brake pedal that prevents us from putting our violent fantasies into action, either because of moral considerations or simply because the trouble we’d be in just isn’t worth the satisfaction we might get.
We have other fish to fry we tell ourselves, so forget that jerk.
We may take administrative or legal action or even quit, but we know what the boundaries are for civilized behavior. But even though we may disagree with the rogue cop’s actions, we may be able to relate to his motives and we may secretly wonder: “What would it take to push me over the edge?”
You know the drill, why are you putting us through this? Even if the motive for the rogue cop’s actions are understandable, nobody knows better than a LEO how dangerous a deadly-force encounter with an armed suspect can be.
Intense anger may be felt for the suspect who is knowingly endangering the lives of his colleagues, even if they are ex-colleagues. This seems to be a stark perversion of the code of mutual protection and backup that officers have: we’re supposed to do everything humanly possible to protect our brothers in blue and this guy is doing everything he can to harm us.
He should know better — how dare he put us through this!
Great — one more reason for people to hate us. Most officers strive to preserve an image of service and professionalism. They hate it when the media drool over “bad cop” stories that are often exaggerated or taken out of context.
A rogue officer who commits violence is catnip to all the cop-haters who probably didn’t need another excuse for their prejudice but who now have one more rationalization to treat law enforcement with contempt or outright confrontation: “You cops are all crazy killers, so I have a right to defend myself, right?”
Although most citizens have at least a grudging respect for good LEOs, rogue cop incidents provide one more slap in the face of the majority of good cops just trying to do their jobs.
Preventing Rogue Cop Incidents
No prevention plan is foolproof, but there are common sense measures that police agencies can employ to minimize the risk of cops going rogue.
Although events like the Christopher Dorner tragedy are rare, other types of everyday LEO misconduct are more common, and many of the prevention measures that apply to them will also be effective for preventing the more dramatic episodes.
1.) Selection and Screening
Take officer selection seriously. Many problem officers are flagged on pre-employment screening, but the signs are overlooked or ignored.
If someone has had a past history of trouble, it is likely to follow him or her to your department.
2.) Education and Training
Train officers to be alert to signs of stress in their peers and encourage a culture of support so that officers who think one of their peers needs help can feel comfortable informing their chain of command without being branded as a snitch.
In all employment settings, fellow workmates are typically the first to notice a problem long before it becomes apparent to supervisors or managers.
3.) Fitness-for-duty Evaluations
If an officer’s performance problems seems to relate to a mental disorder or stress syndrome, refer them for a thorough psychological evaluation — not as a form of punishment or stigma, but just the opposite: to give the underperforming or misperforming officer a chance to correct the problem before it becomes a serious disciplinary issue.
4.) Mental Health Services
Referral for psychological evaluation should be backed up by support and encouragement for seeking psychological help.
The rank and file will take their cue from the brass as to how mental health services are regarded within the departmental culture. Many a violent incident has been deterred and many a law enforcement career saved by appropriate mental health intervention and support.
5.) Fair Discipline
A law enforcement agency lives and dies by its rules, protocols, and chain of command. Where internal investigation and disciplinary action are necessary, every effort should be made to administer these measures fairly.
It is astounding how many incidents of workplace violence are precipitated by crass, harsh, insensitive, and prejudicial disciplinary action on the part of cruel of just clueless supervisors or managers.
Yes, a person must possess a certain entitled and aggressive mindset to commit mass murder, but don’t give these individuals an excuse to act out their revenge fantasies by meting out gratuitously callous discipline or termination.
Remember All the Good Guys
Most LEOs do a competent job and many do an exemplary one. Bad cops of all stripes, from the simple moocher and goldbrick, to the thumper of excessive force, to the murderous rogue cop, are the minority.
Take pride in the important role you play in society and protect that role by being alert to those within your ranks who would tarnish and demean it.

[Madman337]

This whole thing is bad and although I am glad they got this cop killer you are right Popo this is becoming all too common and it makes me wonder what has changed?
Law Enforcement is not an easy job because you deal with the worst things society has to offer every day and its hard to not come home with some of that stink on your soul, some people are better at scrubbing it off after a long day than others and I dont know how they will ever be able to screen the potential nut cases out before they get to wear a badge.

[popo8]

I sat and read the entire manifesto today.....

I wish he wouldve fought the right way and pointed out the corruption... But then again...he did try that route and it shit in his face.

Once again i dont agree with how he did it... But i do see how he got THERE.


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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[popo8]

Saw this on MiFbody....IDK that I would watch it at work or around kids... but...its a good watch for the sake of REALITY.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FP6YCghSA-4

[popo8]

Officer Involved Shooting Solon Police
Solon Police Department Officer Involved Shooting March 17th, 2013

[MeanTA]

DAMN. glad the cops came out ok. That dude was dead before his head hit the hood.....

[96lt1m6]

Never know who you are pulling over! One less pimple from the ass of society...... thank the Lord the two officers were not injured..
Seeing this happen gets my blood boiling.

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[93formulalt1]

Never know who you are pulling over! One less pimple from the ass of society...... thank the Lord the two officers were not injured..
Seeing this happen gets my blood boiling.

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Agreed. Always stay on your toes, you never can know who you're dealing with!

[BLK95-Z]

Damn that's nuts.

[spikester7878]

thank god neither of the officers were hurt. I would always stress how important and dangerous traffic stops are when I was on patrol as a MP. I am also happy to see that @$$bag got smoked

[Fastbird]

Wow. Just wow.

[Fixxer99TA]

The other one that was posted up here recently was pretty nuts, the one with the guy that jumps out with the AK.

[dawdaw]

Shit seems like it's happening more often... My neighbors daughter who's a sheriff's deputy shot and killed a guy a couple months ago that charged her with a huge ass knife and was on a pile of drugs :(

[383z]

What tha F! That's crazy! Glad the officers came out ok. That's a hell of a story for the grand kids.

[popo8]

The other one that was posted up here recently was pretty nuts, the one with the guy that jumps out with the AK.

Yeah.. Unfortunately...that Officer died...

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[MeanTA]

Yeah.. Unfortunately...that Officer died...

Co-Owner/Admin @ LTXtech.com

See thing like this sucks to hear. People are getting violent these days. And pull guns and shoot at cops. Like this guy in the video.... How far did he think he was going to get. Wildly shooting at two officers in cars? All he succeed at was getting hit in the head and 3 in the side.

I can't feel sorrow for people like this....

[CALL911]

Wow!

This video was a reminder to me of how dangerous your job is Larry. Be safe out there.

The dude had it coming. You pull a gun like that and pull the trigger on a cop, and you deserve to have your life taken. I'm just glad their training (which was obvious first shot to the head) had helped bring this guy down, and that they had some luck that neither of them got hurt seriously.

There are really messed up people out there. Thank you Larry for putting your life at risk every day you put on that uniform all for the sake to keep the streets safe.

You say it takes someone not right to do it. I say, it takes the very best people brave enough and willing to put their own lives at risk to do it.

[popo8]

Im not gonna act like I have ever been in this situation..and although watching movies as a youth makes u think u want this action...as a 12 year Officer and now 36 year old... I KNOW its not what I want. But we all sign up knowing it may happen.

Same with our Military Brothers and Sisters. No one should die, doing their job...but someone has to...so those who cant protect them selves dont.


The freeze frame pics at the end actually choke me up a bit...knowing what could have been... But I am glad it wasnt...at least in this instance.


Thanks for watching the vid everyone.

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[93formulalt1]

Wow!

This video was a reminder to me of how dangerous your job is Larry. Be safe out there.

The dude had it coming. You pull a gun like that and pull the trigger on a cop, and you deserve to have your life taken. I'm just glad their training (which was obvious first shot to the head) had helped bring this guy down, and that they had some luck that neither of them got hurt seriously.

There are really messed up people out there. Thank you Larry for putting your life at risk every day you put on that uniform all for the sake to keep the streets safe.

You say it takes someone not right to do it. I say, it takes the very best people brave enough and willing to put their own lives at risk to do it.
The phrase I like to use is that it takes someone "a little off in the bubble" to do this kind of work. Getting up, getting dressed, never forgetting body armor, etc., knowing full well that if you slip up, it could be the last mistake you ever make. . . Or you won't live to learn from it.

My favorite line at work is "In God we trust, everyone else keep your hands where I can see them!"

[popo8]

Im not religious at all... But i love that last line.

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[Madman337]

See thing like this sucks to hear. People are getting violent these days. And pull guns and shoot at cops. Like this guy in the video.... How far did he think he was going to get. Wildly shooting at two officers in cars? All he succeed at was getting hit in the head and 3 in the side.

I can't feel sorrow for people like this....

The head shot was random I am sure because Police officers do not shoot to kill but they will use deadly force if needed to STOP but not kill the threat, this is my understanding from what I have been told out here in Cali but when a scumbag is shooting at you like this you respond with your training and other than SWAT I dont know of any PD entity that trains officers to make head shots.

[popo8]

The head shot was random I am sure because Police officers do not shoot to kill but they will use deadly force if needed to STOP but not kill the threat, this is my understanding from what I have been told out here in Cali but when a scumbag is shooting at you like this you respond with your training and other than SWAT I dont know of any PD entity that trains officers to make head shots.

We do... Center center head (new thinking because body armor is so much more prevalent now.

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[mike]

You should send that to the other dipshit gun runners smokin pot .
and why is it the pot heads still smoke pot in the car? they dont just dump it out and make you go home anymore.:(

[MeanTA]

Shoot to kill imo. If i was in the other cops shoes. And saw some dude unloading on a fellow officer/friend. Then turn it on me. Its safe to say he isn't wanting to have a tickle fight. Kill that mofo...



All over some weed

[Madman337]

Yeah it was a stupid life ending decision for mr scumbag but a head is a very small target to hit even when its not shooting back at you, Popo you guys are really training like that?
I had no idea that body armor is really out there that much but I have seen what just 2 determined nutjobs can do to the entire LAPD when they are armored up and it was a very scary thing to see.
Look up the north Hollywood shootout if you havent see it before.

[popo8]

Yeah it was a stupid life ending decision for mr scumbag but a head is a very small target to hit even when its not shooting back at you, Popo you guys are really training like that?
I had no idea that body armor is really out there that much but I have seen what just 2 determined nutjobs can do to the entire LAPD when they are armored up and it was a very scary thing to see.
Look up the north Hollywood shootout if you havent see it before.


Very familiar with the North Hollywood bank job... I even have the movie "44 minutes" with MARIO VAN PEEBLES (also known as SONNY SPOON).....

Yes, we train just like that.... its partially because our trainer is CMERT (our SWAT) but, non the less its great training.

MEAN, for the most part it is shoot to kill...but some pansy somewhere complained that cops are shooting to KILL... so, they re worded the process to SHOOT to STOP.... that being said, now our intention is not to KILL , but rather to STOP the threat.... thing is...STOPPING the threat, usually means death.

So its semantics.

[MeanTA]

Aim small miss small. Body armor is pretty common. My friend has 2 vests. Along with ballistic mask.

All you need is little cash and people can be more armored then the police.


There is a movie called Rampage. You can get it on netflix. Check it out. Shows what people can do when they snap... Good movie

[popo8]

Aim small miss small. Body armor is pretty common. My friend has 2 vests. Along with ballistic mask.

All you need is little cash and people can be more armored then the police.




ITS THIS EASY... thank you EBAY
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC0&_nkw=body+armor&_sacat=0&_from=R40

[Madman337]

Aim small miss small. Body armor is pretty common. My friend has 2 vests. Along with ballistic mask.

All you need is little cash and people can be more armored then the police.


There is a movie called Rampage. You can get it on netflix. Check it out. Shows what people can do when they snap... Good movie

I saw it and found it to be quite disturbing.

[Madman337]

ITS THIS EASY... thank you EBAY
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC0&_nkw=body+armor&_sacat=0&_from=R40

Wow I didnt know it was all that popular but I guess if your looking for just about anything you can find it, personally I have no need for it but was looking at Dragon scales for my son when it looked like he was going to get deployed because I believed that the military didt have as good an armor as they do now.

[popo8]

Took me all of two seconds to type body armor...and there it was...even saw a mask....

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[Chris]

Body armor is only illegal if used durning a felony correct?

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[popo8]

Body armor is only illegal if used durning a felony correct?

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I honestly dont know without looking it up

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[shownomercy]

Call me crazy and to go wear a tin foil hat, but the way things are going... it would make sense to invest in some body armor.

[popo8]

http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/6229134-Video-Suspect-ambushes-officers-killed-in-shootout/

[Madman337]

I doubt I would want to be armored up because it seems to only be needed when facing the police and the last thing I would ever do would be to harm one of them but if there was something wrong with them then I would rather get out instead of dealing with crooked coppers.

[popo8]

§ 907. Possessing instruments of crime

(a) Criminal instruments generally.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses any instrument of crime with intent to employ it criminally.

(b) Possession of weapon.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a firearm or other weapon concealed upon his person with intent to employ it criminally.

(c) Unlawful body armor.--A person commits a felony of the third degree if in the course of the commission of a felony or in the attempt to commit a felony he uses or wears body armor or has in his control, custody or possession any body armor.

(d) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:

“Body armor.” Any protective covering for the body, or parts thereof, made of any polyaramid fiber or any resin-treated glass fiber cloth or any material or combination of materials made or designed to prevent, resist, deflect or deter the penetration thereof by ammunition, knife, cutting or piercing instrument or any other weapon.

“Instrument of crime.” Any of the following:

(1) Anything specially made or specially adapted for criminal use.

(2) Anything used for criminal purposes and possessed by the actor under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for lawful uses it may have.

“Weapon.” Anything readily capable of lethal use and possessed under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for lawful uses which it may have. The term includes a firearm which is not loaded or lacks a clip or other component to render it immediately operable, and components which can readily be assembled into a weapon.

[gojo83]

here is the question I have always had... If a military man or veteran got busted for a non violent felony but had a pocket/ folding blade knife on him is that considered a "possession of weapon" since most military are trained how to handle a gun as well as a knife. I have been told several things but I am curious from a cops pov. like if the video had taken a different turn and the dude just admitted he had the pot on him but also had a knife on him and didn't run.

[CALL911]

The civilian laws apply to military personnel as well (unless he is currently on duty). The thing is, if a military member gets in trouble with this type (or any other) crime, he will be punished in the civilian law, and then the military as well. So, in a way, you will be in twice as much trouble than if you were just a civilian.

[popo8]

Ben is 100% correct with his response.


As for if the guy never would have fled...never wouldve shot at police.... He would still be alive...

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[96lt1m6]

Shoot at a Cop and you will DIE! !!!

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[96lt1m6]

I have seen this happen first hand, sadly..... it always gets me fired up!!!!!!!! Have you seen End of Watch? that gets the blood pumping, that movie boiled my blood!!!!

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[popo8]

I have seen this happen first hand, sadly..... it always gets me fired up!!!!!!!! Have you seen End of Watch? that gets the blood pumping, that movie boiled my blood!!!!

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Great movie!!!!! dont give it away...but great movie.

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[Madman337]

Great movie!!!!! dont give it away...but great movie.

Co-Owner/Admin @ LTXtech.com

Was a great movie, without giving anything away for those who have yet to see it.

[Madman337]

here is the question I have always had... If a military man or veteran got busted for a non violent felony but had a pocket/ folding blade knife on him is that considered a "possession of weapon" since most military are trained how to handle a gun as well as a knife. I have been told several things but I am curious from a cops pov. like if the video had taken a different turn and the dude just admitted he had the pot on him but also had a knife on him and didn't run.

I kinda doubt they could be on the hook for a possession of weapon if he had disclosed he had it and also how would said officer know said person had military training in the first few mins of the stop?
The law deals with serous crime like Unlawful Homicide as a Specific Intent crime such as "Did you mean to kill this person?" so if dude just copped to having the weed and knife he would for sure still be alive but he would still be going to jail for the weed and not so much the knife regardless if he knows how to gut a man like a fish of not unless he tried to use it.
The best way out of ANY confrontation with ANY police official is always to STOP what ever you are doing and and Follow their direction's such as "Show me your hands ect" if you ignore these very simple rules then you do so at your own peril because as good as they are trained they ALL still want to go home after the shift is over and if they have to do it by going over the top of you then they will do so.

[popo8]

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/news/lapd-officers-wounded-separate

[popo8]

MERGING WITH "BAD DAY TO BE A COP" thread.

[McCauleyWB]

I saw that Willowbrook one first hand. They shut down a lane on the 105 freeway (my usual route home) and had a dozen officers posted on the embankment pointing rifles down at the house. There were a couple snipers posted on the surface street from what I could see too. As I sat in traffic, a police chopper was very low circling right above us. I wondered what had happened. Quite the show...but not uncommon for the LA area.

[popo8]

Arrested in the Dept that mine borders....he works for one that borders that Dept on the other side.... or should I say WORKED!

http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-news/20130921/amity-fires-police-officer-charged-in-shoplifting-case

He threw away EVERYTHING..... for what???

[popo8]

wtf


http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-news/20131114/norristown-cop-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-minor-in-chesco

[popo8]

http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-news/20140202/developing-story-two-officers-injured-after-shooting-in-pottstown

Im still having a hard time finding out who was hurt and how....

LTXtech.com is my drug.

[popo8]

http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-news/20140505/former-amity-cop-now-a-convicted-shoplifter

If your a cop... don't shop lift.

Seriously... he threw away EVERYTHING!


Such a "black eye," for us all.

[popo8]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/video/10421089-walt-hunter-reports-on-narcotics-officers-being-charged-for-corruption/

[95albinobird]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/video/10421089-walt-hunter-reports-on-narcotics-officers-being-charged-for-corruption/
Those guys watched training day too many times

[popo8]

Lol...