Trading my 94 z28 camaro for a 91 T.S.I.

[mustangtraitor]

Trading my 94 z28 camaro for a 91 T.S.I. awd 5 speed; supposedly with a galant vr4 6 bolt motor swap, 4 bolt rear lsd, 5 speed, spare turbo,manual boost controller, apexi turbo timer, body has 150k. I've been lookn for a awd car for a minute, supposedly this car has a big 16 turbo? Whatever that is. The guy is coming up from oregon with the car so I'm pretty sure it's legit, and yeah the talon is slower and worth less, but awd. There was some reference to English Racing to possibly having done all the work on this car. I have no idea if there's any truth to that.
Does anyone think I shouldn't make the trade? My camaro is lightly modded, well maintained and around 300hp.

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[mustangtraitor]

since then he blew the 16g and tried to install a evo 8 big 16 and said it didnt run right at a 20 afr so installed what looks to be a small 16 turbo. not throwing in the holset hx35 now. Im thinkn bag it

[Fastbird]

I'm thinkin I'd verify every nut and bolt on a trade like that. You might get a decent car, or you might get a pretty paper weight.

Oh....two words.....crank walk.

Postin' on the go......

[mustangtraitor]

yeah quite possibly

[94Blackbird]

I wouldn't trade. He's already blown a turbo, which means the car was beat to hell and back and probably not properly maintained. And fastbird already mentioned the crank walk issue. It also sounds like the guy doesn't know a damned thing about cars or that one in particular if he can't tell you who built it for sure.
Just from what you've said about the car, I have a feeling you'd be walking into a long, expensive project to try and make it right.

[mustangtraitor]

its a 1st gen not so know for crankwalk like the 2gen but yes, i hear you guys. this guy got it from a guy 6 month ago that did all this work so its hear say to him and even worse to me
I wouldn't trade. He's already blown a turbo, which means the car was beat to hell and back and probably not properly maintained. And fastbird already mentioned the crank walk issue. It also sounds like the guy doesn't know a damned thing about cars or that one in particular if he can't tell you who built it for sure.
Just from what you've said about the car, I have a feeling you'd be walking into a long, expensive project to try and make it right.

[mustangtraitor]

i just told the guy I'm passing on the car

[JPack]

Wise choice.

[mustangtraitor]

It's easier to pass just based on the fact of costs in licensing, let along the fact i have new headgaskets, new opti, new water pump, new walbro 255 HP, and the car is tuned, no cat , no egr, no smog. The dsm would be a bout $300 just to transfer and the guy was going to pay that and give me the holset hx35 before he blew the turbo, but it just started getting iffy, he said the holset was now apart, etc.... the car ddidnt run right with the evo turbo and it should have.

[mustangtraitor]

So now i need rims and tires for my car, long tubes and a cam and I'll be happier, but as It sitts Im so bored with this car. I also want a m6 swap.

[jaysz2893]

Wise choice, I had a 93 Gsx. I did all my own work and still spun a main. I liked the car, but my camaro is much more fun.

[mustangtraitor]

my camaro is just kinda boring to me, and i hate autos. it looks clean from 20 feet but its all dinged up and the paint sucks. but then again I have never had a clean car as far as paint goes. I have no idea what to do with it now that i have no income and I'm just tired of fixin stuff. I could have put a procharger on my old mustang and rebuilt the motor by now had i not bought this car. If i cant get a m6 swap soon its going to the pond for the right price/trade. I just dont know why all the a4 guys are so in love with their cars?

[blue85350]

put a converter in it you'll start liking it again.

[94Blackbird]

It's all personal preference man. One mans junk is another mans treasure, that kind of thing. Some people like the ease of driving an automatic, others like the consistency at the drag strip, some people are just flat out lazy (though I highly doubt that any LTx owner is truly lazy due to how often shit breaks)
Then you have guys like yourself and myself who love shift our own gears, dropping it down a gear or two just before a corner to set it up for the exit, stuff like that. It's all down to personal preference.
And then you have guys who just plain love their cars no matter what tranny or options the thing has. You know, the wierdos that would marry thier cars if they could lol

[mustangtraitor]

what would you suggest?
put a converter in it you'll start liking it again.

oh man you hit the nail on the head there bro,lol
It's all personal preference man. One mans junk is another mans treasure, that kind of thing. Some people like the ease of driving an automatic, others like the consistency at the drag strip, some people are just flat out lazy (though I highly doubt that any LTx owner is truly lazy due to how often shit breaks)
Then you have guys like yourself and myself who love shift our own gears, dropping it down a gear or two just before a corner to set it up for the exit, stuff like that. It's all down to personal preference.
And then you have guys who just plain love their cars no matter what tranny or options the thing has. You know, the wierdos that would marry thier cars if they could lol

[chevymec]

I looked at getting a '91 when I ws in highschool. The repair bills for those are terrible but the test drive was a blast.

[razor02097]

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Crank walk was one of the main reasons I stay away from any DSM platform... Plus... you think working on an LT1 is cramped? IMO you made the right choice to stick with your F body.

[mustangtraitor]

apparently the 1st gens have the 6 bolt that doesnt crank walk like the second gen in the pic u posted. Ironically thats a non turbo 2 gen in the pic...NO CRANK WALK WITH THE CHRYSLER 420A 2.0 in that car, lol. second gens have a mitsu motor only if turbo, non turbos all have the 420a chrysler motor and new venture 5 speed trannys for the sticks. motor is also on the other side of the engine bay from the mitsu motor. its a domestic car in reality. the neons have the head backward in comparision but share the same basic block as well as the avenger. theres also a stratus 2.4l 420a that share alot with the srt4 neon motor. MY domestic eclipse a 98 GS daily driver, my favorite looking car I have ever owned i love the looks but shes a bit slow lol:

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[SchaefZ28]

Out of your list of stuff to do, do the 6-speed swap first if you're able. It'll make a WORLD of difference in how you look at your car. I was in a similar position a few years ago; I was bored of my car and wanted to shift my own gears. I would have put it up for sale if the paint wasn't terrible (clearcoat peeling issues).. then one night after work my tranny crapped out on me and forced my hand. I could either get the auto rebuilt with a stall and shift kit and all that, or buy the parts for the t-56 swap. So I found a nearly complete swap on the forums, and spent the next couple months doing work with my dad out in the garage. . . Since then I'd be VERY hard pressed to sell my car. Recently bought some wheels, a hood, and hopefully will be getting it painted sometime down the road.

You said you're tired of fixing stuff, I know the feeling.. but think of it this way, if you keep replacing the old stuff with good quality parts, they should last you awhile and you won't have to fix them again. Or at least that's my theory.. right.. right? The way I see it, I've put a lot of money into my car, money that I'd never be able to get back if I decided to sell it, especially nearing the 200k mark. Yes it has been a royal pain in the ass sometimes, and I've wanted to push it off a cliff, BUT if i could do it all over again, I would.

With that said, good job on backing out on that trade. It seemed like that car would have turned out to be a bigger headache than your camaro. Also, I'll be the first to tell you that it'd be easier to sell your car to buy a 6 speed car than it would be to swap it. The swap should run you $1500+ depending on the deal you find and what kind of clutch you put in it. Like I said, I was about ready to sell mine, but I'm glad I didn't because it was my first real car, and has a lot of sentimental value to me..

Good luck on your decisions!

[mustangtraitor]

Thanks man. When my tranny went out i looked for a cheap t56. I did find one for $850 but then i found a 4l60e with 20k on it for a trade of my mechanic services on craigs list
Out of your list of stuff to do, do the 6-speed swap first if you're able. It'll make a WORLD of difference in how you look at your car. I was in a similar position a few years ago; I was bored of my car and wanted to shift my own gears. I would have put it up for sale if the paint wasn't terrible (clearcoat peeling issues).. then one night after work my tranny crapped out on me and forced my hand. I could either get the auto rebuilt with a stall and shift kit and all that, or buy the parts for the t-56 swap. So I found a nearly complete swap on the forums, and spent the next couple months doing work with my dad out in the garage. . . Since then I'd be VERY hard pressed to sell my car. Recently bought some wheels, a hood, and hopefully will be getting it painted sometime down the road.

You said you're tired of fixing stuff, I know the feeling.. but think of it this way, if you keep replacing the old stuff with good quality parts, they should last you awhile and you won't have to fix them again. Or at least that's my theory.. right.. right? The way I see it, I've put a lot of money into my car, money that I'd never be able to get back if I decided to sell it, especially nearing the 200k mark. Yes it has been a royal pain in the ass sometimes, and I've wanted to push it off a cliff, BUT if i could do it all over again, I would.

With that said, good job on backing out on that trade. It seemed like that car would have turned out to be a bigger headache than your camaro. Also, I'll be the first to tell you that it'd be easier to sell your car to buy a 6 speed car than it would be to swap it. The swap should run you $1500+ depending on the deal you find and what kind of clutch you put in it. Like I said, I was about ready to sell mine, but I'm glad I didn't because it was my first real car, and has a lot of sentimental value to me..

Good luck on your decisions!

[mustangtraitor]

Thanks man. When my tranny went out i looked for a cheap t56. I did find one for $850 but then i found a 4l60e with 20k on it for a trade of my mechanic services on craigs list
Out of your list of stuff to do, do the 6-speed swap first if you're able. It'll make a WORLD of difference in how you look at your car. I was in a similar position a few years ago; I was bored of my car and wanted to shift my own gears. I would have put it up for sale if the paint wasn't terrible (clearcoat peeling issues).. then one night after work my tranny crapped out on me and forced my hand. I could either get the auto rebuilt with a stall and shift kit and all that, or buy the parts for the t-56 swap. So I found a nearly complete swap on the forums, and spent the next couple months doing work with my dad out in the garage. . . Since then I'd be VERY hard pressed to sell my car. Recently bought some wheels, a hood, and hopefully will be getting it painted sometime down the road.

You said you're tired of fixing stuff, I know the feeling.. but think of it this way, if you keep replacing the old stuff with good quality parts, they should last you awhile and you won't have to fix them again. Or at least that's my theory.. right.. right? The way I see it, I've put a lot of money into my car, money that I'd never be able to get back if I decided to sell it, especially nearing the 200k mark. Yes it has been a royal pain in the ass sometimes, and I've wanted to push it off a cliff, BUT if i could do it all over again, I would.

With that said, good job on backing out on that trade. It seemed like that car would have turned out to be a bigger headache than your camaro. Also, I'll be the first to tell you that it'd be easier to sell your car to buy a 6 speed car than it would be to swap it. The swap should run you $1500+ depending on the deal you find and what kind of clutch you put in it. Like I said, I was about ready to sell mine, but I'm glad I didn't because it was my first real car, and has a lot of sentimental value to me..

Good luck on your decisions!

[Camdz28]

I've owned four dsm's. Three of them being 1st gens and one being a 2nd gen. You never know what you're getting with a turbo car. I would take my 95 z28 over any turbo car around that year. Reliability purposes and the fact that the stock lt1 would put links on a stock dsm.

[mustangtraitor]

good to know, i just was droolin thinkn of awd:)
I've owned four dsm's. Three of them being 1st gens and one being a 2nd gen. You never know what you're getting with a turbo car. I would take my 95 z28 over any turbo car around that year. Reliability purposes and the fact that the stock lt1 would put links on a stock dsm.