Its a long story, but got a quick question about the Military...

[popo8]

Im pretty ignorant when it comes to rank in the military... but I have an issue with a 40 year old Army man...

It appears to me he is a compulsive liar, however Im trying to learn more.....

Can someone please explain to me, is it good if after your career (he says he is ready to retire) in the army, he is SGT, E7. (No idea if that is good or not)

He currently works as a recruiter out of a make shift office set up in a hotel room.

When we had spoken he made that seem like he was someone "special", to me it sounds more like he wasnt good at anything else, so the Military made him a recruiter..... Im ignorant to the process.

He claims to have done 4 tours in various "wars", and has even hinted that he has clearances that would spin my head, as if to elude he may be CIA.....

I feel stupid for even wondering, because I want to call BS on some of this stuff, however can some of you please help me understand?


Thanks In advance....

[Chris]

sure you have already googled it but wth
http://www.ehow.com/about_5036241_rank-army.html

[popo8]

sure you have already googled it but wth
http://www.ehow.com/about_5036241_rank-army.html


Thanks Man, I read another link similar to that. But I guess Im still dense... because Im seeing its a pay grade... not really an accomplishment.

[Chris]

Yea def need to talk to someone whos in. Everyone gets raises at any job

[94Blackbird]

To my knowledge, no recruiter works out of a hotel room. I'd go find a real recruiter and talk to them about the guy. Second off, if he had those kinds of clearences, he wouldn't be bragging about them. He might make a quick comment and tell you not to ask further. Lastly, from my understanding (Don't quote me on it, I'm a Marine, not a soldier) rank in the army isn't that hard to pick up. If he's only an E-7 in the army after 20+ years of service, he messed up pretty bad, at least from my understanding of the situation. And you're right popo, E-7 is a paygrade, there are three payscales used by the military, enlisted (E-1 through E-9) Warrent Officer (W-1 through W-5) and Officer (O-1 through O-10)
One other thing, did he say he was just a sergeant or a sergeant first class? Even though the army calls all their sergeant ranks sarge, there is a definite difference.
I would definitely call him out on it. That smells like a big heaping pile of doo doo to me. The more I think about it, the worse it smells lol

[FSTFBDY]

E7 is a paygrade. You work your way up to that grade over the years just like a yearly raise in any other job.

He "could" have done his tours/mdeployments etc. If he has been in this long to retire good for him. Sounds like he like to brag. I know a few military people like that. But they have "been there, done that"

Maybe he taking his last few years easy in a office??

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[faust]

sounds more like mental issues. mos likely he was dishonorably discharged and cant let go. he reliving all he knows and believes in. i have seen some who become institutionalized and cant function outside the military

[popo8]

Thank you guys. My understanding is he is still in... because he is always in his fatigues, or whatever they are called. Its just the CIA BS, that I want to call him on...

[devonsZ28]

id call him out on it, he's most likely full of it, i have secret or top secret security clearence (i cant remember which it is), just because i guard nukes, and im really nothing special, if you met some of the people that i work with you'd probly loose all faith in our military and move to canada

[LeadfootLT1]

i say dont worry about it and start pulling that opti out and getting it rebuilt :whistle:

[CamaroZGuy]

just because you have a high security clearance dose not mean you are some one special, i also have a secret clearance because of what i work with, but every thing is still on a "need to know" basis. such as with DevonsZ28, us having the same clearance don't mean that we both know the same stuff, i dont need to know about Nukes, and he dose not need to know how repair a MRAP (Mine resistant armor protected vehicle) which are classified as "Weapon Systems". to me it sounds like he is just trying to make himself sound "Special"

[popo8]

Well this guy is trying to give a friend of mine a hard time, and Im trying to see how far to flex my muscles...

[19mike84]

it sounds like that guy is full of it. there are alot of people who are in the military like that. before anyone jumps my case, im active duty in the army and i see it everyday.

[KissMyWhtSS]

this guy is trying to give a friend of mine a hard time, and Im trying to see how far to flex my muscles...

take it to the gym bro

[quickkris2006]

Ur a cop u can flex ur muscles all u want.. u are the law!! The red and blue lights do wonders

[popo8]

Ur a cop u can flex ur muscles all u want.. u are the law!! The red and blue lights do wonders


Sometimes its not that easy. Wish it was it would be one hell of a perk to the job.

[BlackWidowSS]

I will put it this way Popo....I have been in the U.S. Air Force for 8 years. I am an E-5, also known as a Staff Sergeant. In the AF, that is normal...I made E-5 just before my 5th year, and that is moving fairly fast. My cousin got in the Army a YEAR AFTER me...he was an E-5 a year BEFORE me. so it too me almost 5 years to get to E-5 and it took my cousin almost 4! My cousin made E-6 before his 7th year. If the guy was in 20 he SHOULD be closer to an E-8 or even E-9!

I have a secret security clearance...that is nothing to brag about. Just because he has a "clearance" does NOT mean he actually has ACCESS to that material! EVEN WITH my secret clearance if I walk up to someone and demand to see some secret shit that doesnt apply to me or I am not granted access to, they will laugh in my face and tell me to fuck off......just sayin.

Security clearance is NOTHING to brag about...That rank is OK....but not GREAT....and other than that, the guy doesnt impress me.

[BlackWidowSS]

ALSO, recruiting is considered a "Special Duty" position...which means you have to apply for it, qualify for it, and you get paid a little bit extra. It is a good job to have in some aspects, but most recruiters are only there for a couple years before they are sent back to their original job. For instance. EVERY recruiter has a job as something else as their primary duty...like me, I am Security Forces. I can apply to be a recruiter and if accepted, I am no longer going to be performing cop duties as long as I am a recruiter. Once my time as a recruiter is over, I will go back to being a cop at whatever base they send me to.

Recruiters as far as I know DO NOT operate in hotel rooms unless there are excruciating circumstances such as a hurricane wipes out the office or something...

Also recruiters LOSE their security clearances once they become recruiters because they have no need to know...they dont have a job that requires them to know that info. You have to re-apply for clearance after certain amounts of time and they have to re-evaluate you to ensure you are still competent enough to perform the duties...like me, I am re-evaluated every 5 years.

Lastly......Military members ARE NOT allowed to perform CIA, Law Enforcement, FBI, or other NON-MILITARY associated agency duties while using the military name....Its called the Posse-Comitatus act. It prevents Military from enforcing Civilian laws while in a military uniform unless a state of emergency or Martial Law is declared. So I cant be dressed in my military police uniform, and go pull over a civilian for speeding...I can pull him over and ATTEMPT to hold him there until local law enforcement arrives to take jurisdiction of the individual. So in my opinion, he is full of shit...lol

[popo8]

Thank You all.... I had a deep feeling that he was full of it... in fact, the more stories I heard about what the guys said the more, I thought, WOW HE IS A COMPULSIVE LIAR THAT BELIEVES HE IS MORE THAN HE IS.....

I have nothing against the Military and in fact respect all of you for doing something that I know that I could not do. But me, as a cop, am just that, A COP... I dont try to act like I have special powers or abilities beyond my job description.

This guy has been threatening my friend with some things that I wont publicly discuss, and has stated comments that would lead a person who does not know better to believe that he has utilized resourses from the CIA and NSA to surveil my friend....

I called bs to my friend, however, I just didnt want to lead my friend in the wrong direction if there were possibilities this E7 Sgt Recruiter, did have favors or pull to be asked from those listed agencies....

[BlackWidowSS]

I HIGHLY doubt he does...and if that for some UNGODLY reason IS the case........your friend would had to have messed up REALLY REALLY bad with something that affected MULTIPLE agencies and national security or something...otherwise other agencies would laugh in this guys face

[popo8]

I HIGHLY doubt he does...and if that for some UNGODLY reason IS the case........your friend would had to have messed up REALLY REALLY bad with something that affected MULTIPLE agencies and national security or something...otherwise other agencies would laugh in this guys face


Actually the dilema between the two, is personal in nature. Nothing illegal....

[94Blackbird]

call that assclown out popo. If the only issue is a personal issue between the two, and nothing even remotely illegal, then none of the agencies are going to detail any kind of surveillance to that case.
It really irks me when people have to try and make shit up to feel good about themselves...

[faust]

i'm using my g-2257-a, clearance to have norad measure the shine coming off popos head lol

[popo8]

i'm using my g-2257-a, clearance to have norad measure the shine coming off popos head lol


LOL, :claps:





Thank You all.... I am gonna tell my friend to call him out on it. And Im assuming that if he used any kind of work resources from the military or if he realy did have friends in the NSA and they did him a favor and allowed him use, or did some type of personal surveilance for him, they would end up in serious trouble for it.....

[CALL911]

I know this was a few months ago, and it sounds like you already got your answer. But FWIW, I agree.

You'll find the people who brag about security clearance, getting shot at, or belonging to anything elite or "hush hush" are full of it. 99% of the time they are complete liars and don't have or belong to any of it in reality.

If you do find someone with actual front line experience, a very high security clearance, or belong to the CIA, it is quite likely you will never know it. Once you are there, its not something you brag about, or really talk about on the outside. These guys are considered "silent heroes" who you may know do something, but really will never know what exactly. Their proffession is to keep quiet. So if you find someone who is bragging, or trying to show off, it is likely they are not who they are claiming to be at all.

My .02 cents as an officer in the USAF.

[popo8]

Thank You man, I appreciate the military insight!:hail:

[CALL911]

No prob buddy :peace2:

[Yosho]

I know this is really old now, but it was an interesting read... couldn't agree more with the advice that was given and comments made. Popo, how'd it all turn out?

Btw, from everything I have ever read, it is illegal for a civilian to wear a military uniform in public, though difficult to enforce - check out 10 USC, Sections 771 and 772 as well as Army Reg 701-1. By your account, I would seriously question if the supposed "recruiter" working out of a hotel room was even in the military. It would be up to the local law enforcement to enforce this law. Certainly, as law enforcement, it would be within your perview to confirm this person's identity as you would anyone else's. Does he have an active duty ID? Who is his chain of command? As an E7, I'd want to talk with his unit's First Sergeant or Sergeant Major and apprise them of his behavior. Further, it is a violation of numerous laws for the military to collect intelligence on US persons, especially for personal reasons. To even claim to do so with or without a clearance would get a service member in very serious trouble with their chain of command... Especially since it sounds like this was used as a threat.

[popo8]

Well I took all the info that everyone gave me here and I made a call to a higher up that gave me a life saving award in the past. I was amazed he remembered me....

I filled him in on the troubles being caused. He was unsure if he would be able to help but he would "look into it."

Keeping my hands clean...and having done what i gelt i could do without getting myself in trouble...i sat back.


A few months later i was advised by my friend that the e7 had "moved" from our state.


IDK if it was coincidence or not... But i know my friends issues were over... So with that he was good....i was good.

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[Yosho]

That's great. It sounds like it all ended for the best and was a nice conclusion to the story. ;)