PROJECT: "POPO" camaro

[popo8]

OK, soooo before I post up my recent communications with DYNASPARK, I want to make a disclaimer and state that I do not even know that my current dynaspark has anything to do with any of my current issues, but here is how it has gone with Dynaspark:


Bob,

I hope you remember me. My name is Larry Hanna and I purchased a dyna spark opti for my 1996 procharged camaro. If you remember the first one went in to replace my MSD opti, and the car would not start. I emailed you and without a blink you sent me another one. That was EXCELLENT customer service. When I received the next one, we took it out of the box, after pulling the car apart again, and we noticed that manually turning the rotor/shaft, it made a horrible grinding noise.... we installed it and fired the car without putting everything back together and the car started right up, but the opti made so much noise it sounded like a rod knock. I contacted you again, and without a question, you sent me number 3.... we installed number three, and the car fired right up, however since it went in the car has had an intermittent problem where it seems to momentarily lose spark... just falls flat on its face and then picks up again.... it also is giving me a hesitation problem since the instal of the new opti, however I am not sure if it is coincidence or if it is the opti.

Now my understanding from some talk that has been happening on certain sites, is that either DYNASPARK was sold and may be using inferior problems (that was on LS1tech) or that the optical sensor manufacturer had been switched , believing that the replacement was a better company, however after many problems it is clear that it is not. Are either of these rumors true. If so, I am looking for some help. September marks the nexts LTX shootout in KY, and I have to drive my car 740 miles each way, and this opti was supposed to be the cure all for all that is LTX problem.....


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help...

Thank You

Larry Hanna

[popo8]

Within hours, he wrote me back and said....

Larry,
We did have a sensor issue and have corrected that problem. We are using the AIP sensor and have not issues. That problem occured on about 3 units. (removed part). I own Dynasaprk and do everything I can to produce my own parts and not buy oversea's parts. We do not manufacture the electronics so those have to be bought.
IF you still think there is an issue with the Dynaspark PLEASE let me know and we will be more than happy check it out or send another to replace it.

Thanks Bob

[popo8]

My return response:


Bob,

Thank you for your QUICK response. I am very pleased with Dynaspark's customer service, and I understand that you are the best in the opti business. I also understand that "STUFF" happens, and I am not going to veer from my loyalty to your brand.

The opti appears to be the only thing left that could be malfunctioning. If it acceptable to you, I would appreciate another opti, and I will send the one currently in the car back to you as soon as the switch is made. All I ask is that you please make sure that the new opti be from the batch that did not use the faulty parts.

Thank You in advance

Larry Hanna

[popo8]

FINALLY, with the class and professionalism, I have grown to expect from Dynaspark....

Larry,
All the sensors that were in question have been shipped out! I will have another one built and shipped this week.

Thanks Bob and Tim

[popo8]

I would pay 3 times the cost of any OEM piece for anything simply to have this type of customer service.... In a world where every 800 number has an automated recording that starts from the beginning when you hit "0", its nice to actually deal with someone, and someone who cares about their reputation...

[Joker Z28]

Very nice stuff

[QC97Z]

That's awesome. This type of thing is ultra-rare these days, there aren't many stand-up guys in business anymore.

[94Blackbird]

That kind of care and service is hard to find anywhere anymore. Personally I think it's the entitlement culture and the "it's ok, someone else will do the hard stuff for me" attitude that seems to be prevailing over the last couple of decades.

[popo8]

Like I said.... mistakes, and issues happen.... hell this time Im not even sure the OPTI is the issue, however THIS CUSTOMER SERVICE was worth the near $600 alone.....

[harner]

I agree, Larry. I would pay more for better assurance on a part like this. Hope everything goes well.

FYI - Someone needs to get those Dynaspark guys on here.

[Dave357LT1]

Bob called me today outa the clear blue sky today just to make sure my dynapark was working fine. Who else does that? No one

[bowtiedad_z28]

I agree their customer service is top notch. I wanted to purchase one a while back then you started this thread and i have been watching it very closely. I have yet to purchase a opti still and am waiting on further GOOD info to come of this before i buy one. Until then i am going to be still on the ropes. Keep us updated please Larry and anyone else who has recently bought one of them. I am itching to pull the trigger.

[popo8]

I def will, however Im not even sure these recent issues I am having are opti related... but even being unsure.... Bob, has another one on its way to me.... JUST IN CASE....

I have confidence that it will straighten out... and am actually thinking of just dropping my car off at my tuners, and telling him to fix it......

[popo8]

Well with so many tuning woes...... and endless dollars invested in the car....plus a bad back and my newly found issues, I just want my car done.. and done right.....

With MOE being to far in TX, and my local tuners, not very up to date on stock PCM boosted LTXs..... I contacted BRYAN HERTER owner of PCM4less, at the constant (back of my head) barrage from BEN (CALL911), lol

ANyways, HERTER who is located near PITTSBURG PA (8 hours away) referred me to a shop in WIllow Grove PA, about 1.5 hours from me.... HE stated that he taught them the tricks of the LTX tuning issues, and aknowledges that if you dont know LTXs on stock computers, boosted applications can be tricky.


I have been in converstions with JOE the owner of the business and HERTER, and both have eased me to a comfort level of leaving my car with them to be made 100%
At this point I have typed so much , all you want to hear is what shop it is... so here is their link.

http://www.jds-high-performance.com/about.htm

Ive forwarded details on my entire build and they appear to feel confident they can handle it..... Im still very nervous to leave my car for others to handle..... but... I gotta do what I gotta do... and whatever it needs, they have the ability to work on it and repair / replace /etc.........

I know it wont be cheap... but to have it 100% and finally done..... will be well worth it.

JUst wanted to share in case anyone else localish.... was having issues also....

[popo8]

PS- Bryan HERTER also assured me that if they had any issues tuning my car... he would be available to assist them....

[Mrs Popo8]

GOOD LUCK!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!

[popo8]

...

Why not go to Frank? Doesn't he have LT1 tuning capabilities?

He does... I actually am the one that bought him the LT1 edit software... prior to that he did not tune any LTXs that were running on stock computers.

I love the guy to death... but the LTX PCM is just not his forte'

WHen it comes to aftermarket PCMs, or stand alones as yourself.... He is the man.......

As for joe being overpriced... Im hoping its the last time I need to do this stuff.......... I just want it right for ONCE in the 6 years Ive been fighting it...

[popo8]

GOOD LUCK!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!


Thank You hun.... glad to see you posting on the site.....

[popo8]

Im gonna make my appointment to drop off the car 2moro... I will see what his rates are......

However let me tell you this...

I gave PCM4less $200 for the mail order tune...

I have Ray at Performance Specialties $780 5 years ago.....

I bought Franky the LT1 edit software for somewhere around $500... plus Ive given him 100-200 a visit for his time......

My mail order from Moe last year was very reasonable , but I cant remember the price.....


But what I do remember is a minimum of $1180 in tuning costs and still never got 100%........

THATS^^^^ expensive....

[Fastbird]

Damn larry. Wow. That's a lot. Hopefully this is it man. I can't wait to see what that sucker will do fully up and done.

[MoeHorsePower]

Good Luck to you, I wish I was closer to help you out or if you could of gotten a group together like I did in KC a few weeks ago, After the group paid for my air fare, Dyno time, it came out to $475.00 for each car for a full on Dyno tune...

[biggriff]

good luck bro... i have a PCM4Less mail tune and am very pleased as well as the fact i called them alot prior to order and they helped me through it all, even emailed me (before I bought)...GREAT GUYS

[popo8]

Well Im dropping it off on the 25th....

Joe told me its $100 an hour for tuning.... and he seems confident after looking at my dyno sheets that he can fix it with tuning......

[TWS]

Good luck Larry!

[The SRZ]

So whatever came of this Larry? Did I miss something here?

[popo8]

Well Im dropping it off on the 25th....

Joe told me its $100 an hour for tuning.... and he seems confident after looking at my dyno sheets that he can fix it with tuning......



This MONDAY brotha... I will drop it off.....

He wont get to it till the end of the week, but that will be right when we leave for Florida for my Birthday........

So hopefully he can get it done by the time we return... he feels confident he can handle it with proper tuning, however questions the stock "blow off valve" from Procharger....

Im excited and nervous at the same time...

If all goes well, Im buying one of those 6LE noses and having her painted...

if the motor comes apart on the dyno.... IM PARTING IT OUT! (sorry Ben)

[The SRZ]

This MONDAY brotha... I will drop it off.....

He wont get to it till the end of the week, but that will be right when we leave for Florida for my Birthday........

So hopefully he can get it done by the time we return... he feels confident he can handle it with proper tuning, however questions the stock "blow off valve" from Procharger....

Im excited and nervous at the same time...

If all goes well, Im buying one of those 6LE noses and having her painted...

if the motor comes apart on the dyno.... IM PARTING IT OUT! (sorry Ben)


I feel you. LOL What part of FL you going to?

Stock bpv is garbage you really need a Mondo or Big Red unit.

I'm about to do the same thing and put it in the hands of a reputable shop and let them take a crack at it. It doesn't work, it'll sit 5 yrs and I'm going TT's, RHS block and 408-427ci and call it a day.

GL! I'm pullin for you.

[popo8]

I feel you. LOL What part of FL you going to?

Stock bpv is garbage you really need a Mondo or Big Red unit.

I'm about to do the same thing and put it in the hands of a reputable shop and let them take a crack at it. It doesn't work, it'll sit 5 yrs and I'm going TT's, RHS block and 408-427ci and call it a day.

GL! I'm pullin for you.

THats exactly what he was saying... not that Im thrilled to throw out 300+ on a BOV... but if THATS what makes it..... then sooo be it....

I really really really hope it works.... Because Im at my wits end of not getting 100% out of it. Its a BLAST the way it is... but its not all it has.... Hell I cant even wind it past 4700rpms without it carrying on...



I have alot invested.. but as far as Im concerned there are 2 options 100%... or BLOW IT UP!

[popo8]

2moro is the drop off day!!!!

[popo8]

Well.... she is dropped off. Joe seemed pretty confident that he can get her right through tuning, although he was not sure yet why my BOOST graph is not a smooth climb...... We are both in agreeance that it is quite possibly the stock BOV, or maybe even a slipping belt......

Either way, he wont get to it till the end of the week, and we ill be gone from the weekend to the following, so hopefully she is DONE and 100% when we return.....(hoepefully it does not take to long at $100/hr for tunning time...)


Quick pic Miss Popo took of the drive up.... WHAT A GORGEOUS 50 mile drive...



9593

[popo8]

UGH... this is driving me nuts....

Leaving it in the hands of a stranger and an hour+ away from here has me feeling WEIRD.... Im also excited and worried about whats gonna happen.. will he get it right... am I in for more costly disapointment, or will it blow up...?



AARRRRRGHHHHH!

[blackbirdws6]

No way I could handle that. I took off two days of work and slept in a nearby hotel when mine was getting tuned. Lol

[popo8]

No way I could handle that. I took off two days of work and slept in a nearby hotel when mine was getting tuned. Lol

Oh its worse than that....

It only got dropped off Monday because that was the only day Miss Popo could follow me up. Its not getting tuned till the following Monday.... which we will be in FLorida for 7 days.... So I will be even further....

[blackbirdws6]

Yea....I wouldn't sleep if that was the case. Hang in there.

[popo8]

Yea....I wouldn't sleep if that was the case. Hang in there.

Lol... Im trying......sigh*

[Fixxer99TA]

I hope all this turns out good for you, 1,100+ in tuning is a bitch....

Give them time though, you know how shops are... Nothing ever seems to go perfect, so some other project is holding them up... Give it this week and then throw some shit if... say... they dont get to it by mid next week..

But if they get it right, time taken would be no issue for me..

[Fastbird]

Damn Larry, that's some junk. Sorry to hear that. Just remember, the biggest battles yield the greatest rewards. Your car is gonna be a monster all done.

Posted from my Rooted and ICS'd Rezound

[Mrs Popo8]

I know it is irritating hun, but I vote be patient, he was recommended to you and shit does happen as I pointed out to you the other day, sometimes you can not control what happens...even if it is over a holiday and seems unlikely......and we all know you can get sick on vacation......if we go back a few months to your own situation.... :( I think it is ass that the guy did not call you back today or have the phone bitch at least call you back and stall....BUT maybe look at it like this, he does not want anyone but HIMSELF to touch your car....if it makes you feel better try the "I'd like to watch the pulls" technique even tho I KNOW YOU HATE WATCHING THAT.....LOL....anyway be patient it will work out and if it gets to the point where we have to go get it without any progress then we do and we start looking for yet another place to try......you will get there......

[popo8]

so.... Im gonna do the OUTLINE version.

-5:20 phone guy calls me anx tells me its running outta fuel

I ask him if the checked fpr like i said since last tuner turned it down.... He said yes.... I sai ARE U SURE??? He said ill check again and call u back 2morro.

At the time im currently OUT..... I pick up dinner and drive home irritated....

I walk in the house and my cell rings.... Joe the owner is on the phone.... He stated that my 340 pump was only good for 550hp when he did the math.... I told him the guy i bought it from on the site said withe the HOT WIRE KIT it was good for 700. i admitted i couldnt remember if that was crank or rwhp....

He stated he has already tuned thr car smooth up to 5k....but fuel is goin 13:1 and he cant spin any higher....

He said at the 5k mark... Now that it is smooth we are at the 540rwhp mark (thats right.... I said it..... THATS highet than the 508 it was making before.....thats right.... I said that.

Anyways.... He has 3 hrs into it... And he wants to do the dual in tank set up...... Its DEF not cheap... But he deals with a business that he will send out my sending unit and they do all the work... Then return a DROP IN set up.....

Sigh.... I reminded him i was a lowly cop and gave him the go ahead......

So right now at 5k we are at 540 ish.... I did forget to ask boost.....

[zmm95]

This is good to hear!

[Fastbird]

Larry, he's going to send your fuel pump assembly to Lonnies Performance for a double pumper and a (yep) Racetronix double pumper harness. And it should cost you no more than $600 because that's what Lonnie sells them for. If these guys try to sell it to you for $750 plus tell them they're on crack. And to break it down, there's about $300+ in parts between the two pumps ($100 each) and the harness (AT LEAST $100 considering the standard racetronix harness is around $90) and then Lonnie puts some time into these setups, hence the markup for his work. $600, ok, I could and did hack that on my Vette, but I built my own for my car and Ben's car for under $300. So what I'm trying to say is don't get took on price here. They're going to ding you hard I'm anticipating, especially when you factory in labor for dropping the tank and doing the install.

I AM however, very excited to see the results so far. 540 @ 5K is pretty dang potent. You're going to break 600 no problemo.

[popo8]

WOW... ok... Ty for the breakdown Sean... You are actually right on with the $750 price.... But.... thats installed.... BUT... I do have an access plate to do the fuel pump...so it should be fairly easy labor wise.....

I kinda have to take the hit because the car is 1.5hr away..... And im really not capable of doing much....

I WILL BE VERY HAPPY w 600 outta the p1... And even happier with good street manners. Lol.

[Fastbird]

Installed, that's not bad. The wiring takes some time, and he's got to mount the hobbs switch, etc. That's acceptable.

[popo8]

Cool... thanks man...

Now... I sit here, and wait till the NEXT issue... sigh.

[blackbirdws6]

The dual pumps are a good idea, especially in the long run when you push it harder. What are you going to rev it to? I bet it will crack 600 at the tire when all is said an done.

[popo8]

I think the problem will still persist, and we will find out it was not the fp... but he says its leaning out and they can not seem to get any more fuel into it. At this point, its expensive, but it wont HURT anything, so Im willing to try anything.... lol

[Fastbird]

Larry, just remember, if you start messing with the base pressure, you'll end up having to rework the entire tune because it affects EVERYTHING. I'd only go that route if it's a last resort. Other option is there's a couple companies making 72 lb/hr injectors that are high impedence now that you could move up to.

[popo8]

Larry, just remember, if you start messing with the base pressure, you'll end up having to rework the entire tune because it affects EVERYTHING. I'd only go that route if it's a last resort. Other option is there's a couple companies making 72 lb/hr injectors that are high impedence now that you could move up to.


Well, you know how sometimes you talk to people and tell them something but dont know if they listened to what you said.

I know when RAY was tunning my car previous to this tune... he leaned the car out by dropping the fuel pressure at the FPR..... I remember seeing it go all the way down to either 40 or 35 on the guage we had on it...... It pissed me off he was doing it the lazy way, but if it wouldve worked It didnt matter.

Anyways, the monday before they finally got to my car at JD (where it is now, I left a message informing them of this)... thats when I got the call late one day later in the week saying that it was leaning out..... Then Joe himself called me later and assured me that he did turn it up..... But my gut still tells me that once these duals are in... that I need to make sure that they did turn it up (only if the problem continues)... If they get it right and the car is no longer leaning out, I should not care, correct????

[MoeHorsePower]

Larry, I don't remember if you are MAF, But there are several ways to add fuel, CORRECTLY, there is a fuel vs Temp that will add and of course the MAF and in the Power Mode, Using the IFR to manipulate FP is a Band Aid and not the the way to do it..Yes you can adjust the IFR but only by a small incriments, say maybe a couple of pounds, other than that, that is the wrong way to tune the A/F..

[popo8]

Thank You Moe... you know I dont know any of that stuff....

My camaro is a MAF car, and I dont think I need bigger than 60# injectors... Fastbird is well over my HP range with the same injectors (size wise) so they should support my car....right? Or is my way of thinking wrong>?

I guess, I will wait till next week for the dual 255s to be installed... And I will make sure they have the FPR turned up....and if that does not work and it still leans out, I will repeat what you have told me....

(btw, I may not have expressed my concern well, I didnt want to adjust the FPR up to fix the issue, I wanted to bring it up to normal, from where the last tuner used it to lean the car out.... Honestly the more I think about it, he dropped idle fp to like 38 or 35 #'s)



Thank You for continuing to follow and give advice guys...

[popo8]

LOL... I wish there was news... I knew it would be a week or so till they sent out my sending unit and that other company fabd up the dual 255 set up, then sent it back... so I let last week go without calling them...... then I called yesterday, and Joe the OWNER/TUNER is on vacation (again) lol... I was not to upset about it since we were still waiting for my stuff.... he will be back on this comming monday...

[MoeHorsePower]

My camaro is a MAF car, and I dont think I need bigger than 60# injectors... Fastbird is well over my HP range with the same injectors (size wise) so they should support my car....right? Or is my way of thinking wrong>?



OK, it like me try to explain. someone may be making x amount of HP with say stockish heads and uses X lb injectors and they are good. Another build uses bigger / ported heads and makes app the same HP but has higher flowing heads, the more air, the more fuel needed. When I first started my supercharge build, I used 50lb injectors and were good, with basically the same setup but with ported head, I had to go up to 75lb to make a little more HP but to have a safe A/F, now with the Turbo, I have 95lb injectors, but I plan to surpass the 648 HP I made with the Super Charger, Make sense? Its all about Air Flow, Fuel requirements to support, Lambda, Stoich, PePe, Chewy, ......

[popo8]

OK, it like me try to explain. someone may be making x amount of HP with say stockish heads and uses X lb injectors and they are good. Another build uses bigger / ported heads and makes app the same HP but has higher flowing heads, the more air, the more fuel needed. When I first started my supercharge build, I used 50lb injectors and were good, with basically the same setup but with ported head, I had to go up to 75lb to make a little more HP but to have a safe A/F, now with the Turbo, I have 95lb injectors, but I plan to surpass the 648 HP I made with the Super Charger, Make sense? Its all about Air Flow, Fuel requirements to support, Lambda, Stoich, PePe, Chewy, ......


ok... so... because my 60s were ok w my stock heads at a certain hp.... even tho im not to far part that hp
, my new afr 227s are flowing alot more air.... so they are using alot more fuel.....


that same theory could also be used on the fuel pump right? and y tge 340 may no longer support the car?

So if....... i run into tge same prob w the new pumps.....do i tell tgem what u were saying about adding fuel thru maf settings (and if so please pm me tge proper explaination if u dont mind)... or do i go right for bigger injectors?

thanku!!! Running outta time here...

[popo8]

Called today.... Pumps should be there 2moro...

[popo8]

LOL... believe me, I want updates more than Im getting them.

They did however assure me that my car is being kept inside.... so thats a plus.

[popo8]

Remember...i was told the pumps would be in today.... so fig they wont go in till next wk.... :(

[popo8]

Meh, views don't matter. Your car running does, and I'm excited to see this build come to an end for ya.

Phewww.... u and me both... not looking fwd to the bill tho.... 700+ for pumps.... 3 hours of tuning already.....its at $1,000 as of NOW. now imagine more tuning... then running out of injector.... purchase injectors..... instal....more tuning...... ugh...

TapaTalk ROCKS!!!!

[popo8]

Called today.... spoke with the owner.... Pumps are at tgeir shop... he assures me they will be installed shortly...... sighhhhh.

lol

TapaTalk ROCKS!!!!

[97firehawk]

Im excited for you to see the end results i have been keeping an eye on this thread . I like to watch peoples cars improve it gets me excited about my builds all over again . And im hoping you get the car the way you want and more.

[94Blackbird]

Im excited for you to see the end results i have been keeping an eye on this thread . I like to watch peoples cars improve it gets me excited about my builds all over again . And im hoping you get the car the way you want and more.


Me too! Sounds like the finish line may be in sight soon!

[dkd1990]

Sounds like you'll be in Mexico finding out what it can do now. Wink wink.

[popo8]

Getting there.


I hope so... still have my reservations that the issue will exist... whether the fpr was not turned up.. or if the injectors are going "static" (Im learning)....lol


Im excited for you to see the end results i have been keeping an eye on this thread . I like to watch peoples cars improve it gets me excited about my builds all over again . And im hoping you get the car the way you want and more.

THank You... Me 2.... its ben an expensive endeavor, and the most painful part is here, because Ive done it before and gotten no where, so you can imagine my hopes are not UP... rather pesimistic. But still I have a tiny ray of optimism, hiding.



Me too! Sounds like the finish line may be in sight soon!

FINGERS CROSSED..... Its like seeing it in the distance but being out of fuel (hahaha, fuel, and I was having a fuel issue)


Sounds like you'll be in Mexico finding out what it can do now. Wink wink.


Weather is nice this time of year

LET ME TELL YOU... if the tune is dead on... Im gonna BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF THAT THING!

NEXT TIME IT BREAKS, will be because I BROKE IT, BEATING IT!!!!

[CamaroZGuy]

looks like your starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel....now you just have to figure out if its the sun or a train coming.

[BIG CAT]

Break it popo. I want it to twist the driveshaft in half lol


lol noooooooooo!! been there done that have the dents to prove it. :driving:

[popo8]

Spent the day at a carshow.... made me miss my car.... we drove out in the truck.... Miss Popo wouldnt ride in the vette.... 100 degrees plus no AC= NO MISS POPO

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TapaTalk ROCKS!!!!

[Tyler Wheat]

Just sat down and read through this whole thing...

I can't wait to see the numbers that thing puts down. Sound like an absolute monster! I will be following very closely now

[popo8]

Just sat down and read through this whole thing...

I can't wait to see the numbers that thing puts down. Sound like an absolute monster! I will be following very closely now


Thank You man... That was alot of reading... lol

[8SEC6SPD]

Thank You man... That was alot of reading... lol

no chit! lol!!!

[quik95lt1]

do i need to take a last minute weekend trip to PA? lol

[popo8]

do i need to take a last minute weekend trip to PA? lol\


LOL... the car is almost in Jersey... hahaha.

But your always welcom here.... ;)

[The SRZ]

Larry? Your MF'n car still ain't done?!

[Madman337]

Hey popo hang in there brother know what you are going through.

I had mine at the tuners for over a month which was suppose to be a week ordeal. When he did get to it ......it broke up at 3600 @ 250hp was doing NA tune, but had him paid for 7 years now and wanting to get it finished so I could drive it for the summer and do twin turbos this winter. Took it home put fuel in it and spun to 6500 boy was I pissed! to say the least, I had told him, left him a voicemail, and sent an email stating that. I did most of the tune myslef and all he had did was add some timing on the dyno. So it comes to show with a wideband, LM1 and some patience that you can do a tune just as good as them. But found myself a new tuner for when I get my twins on. He has of of 6 dyno's in the USA that he can put a load on it, like driving it down the road while he does the dyno run.
I so want to jump on this tuning bandwagon too because I love learning new stuff and I find the idea of tuning interesting, I tore down a trans years ago because mine broke and figured out how to fix it and years later I am doing trans fixxes for my friends for beer and "You owe me one now" hehe.
Looking forward to something new and this may be just the thing.

[popo8]

Larry? Your MF'n car still ain't done?!


LOL... no, however on Friday he said he would be getting the new pumps in and trying again "SHORTLY." So we are only 3 days into this week, they will get a call from me 2moro....

Good thing is, they tell me they are keeping it inside...and with the acquisition of the site, Ive been occupied and busy...

[popo8]

Called today and spoke with KEVIN... the phone bufferer....

Pumps are still not in tge car (he says its "half way done") then.... once he is done with tge viper thats currently being tuned, im next....lol

So... he said... next week. sigh*

TapaTalk ROCKS!!!!

[popo8]

I also reitterated that I have a road trip planned for 20 days from now that I need the car for. And I reminded them that I informed them of that june 20th when i dropped the car off.....

TapaTalk ROCKS!!!!

[Chris]

I can't wait to see some boost

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[popo8]

Lol gotta be ready so we can race and my stock z can outrun your car since edelbrock products are -600hp :rolleyes:


Lol... 1st u gotta beat the vette... then the escalde...then the genesis.... then.... u get a shot at the camaro....



I believe they were referred to as "doorstops"


That mutherfkr....



I feel really bad for your situation. I think its time to start getting VERY direct if it is not done by the end of next week.

Its a double edge sword... if i do it and i pull the car... i end up with sumtin that went in runnin and leaves on a trailer.... And if i nag to much.... the price may rise.....

And i keep hoping... WHAT IF THIS IS TGE PLACE THAT CAN DO IT...



I can't wait to see some boost



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Hoping for it soon man...


these last few updates look all too familiar....hope you get better luck then i have been having.

I know right.... i still feel worse about ur situation...

Wish there was freebie ass kickin days allowed... go around and hand EM OUT!!!!


TapaTalk ROCKS!!!!

[popo8]

:confused::confused::confused:


Did u write that u are a parapaligic that is able to get out of ur chair when angry?



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[bigtoyz]

Yeah I came flyin out of it once....my brother mouthed off.....quite a site I guess. And no I cant stand a bit.....T5 is from about mid chest on down.

[popo8]

JUST got off tge phone with Joe the owner.... He advised me my car is being strapped down as we speak. SAVE for other issues.....MAYBE some answers tonight...

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[popo8]

50/50 awesome...
Am i gonna need injectors.... Is it gonna need a better bov....
till its done...... I AM holding my breath...

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[97firehawk]

Good luck

[Fastbird]

In my best stewie voice "Excellent!"

[popo8]

Just got some emails from JOE the owner... said they are not done, had to do a repair to my NEW TB, not sure all the details yet, but here are some of the pics sent.....

http://img.tapatalk.com/ae31b287-be0e-cfd1.jpg

[popo8]

First... Pics of the dual 255s....


http://img.tapatalk.com/ae31b287-bd77-52b8.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/ae31b287-bd82-277f.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/ae31b287-bd8e-054c.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/ae31b287-bda5-bdef.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/ae31b287-bdb0-acba.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/ae31b287-bdc5-4378.jpg

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[firebird_1995]

I like your trapdoor

[popo8]

I like your trapdoor

Thanku


Lol

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[CamaroZGuy]

looks like a really good install on the wiring! hope every thing works out! i would say "cant wait to see some numbers" but we know how you are....(what happened to the secret trench coat smiley?)

[Fastbird]

Larry, wtf happened to the TB?????

[popo8]

Larry, wtf happened to the TB?????

Well i do know when we had it on the dyno when it made 508... It was stickin after wot runs... Idle would tgen stick at 2g..... U would have to manually rotate it back....to get normal idle... Think my spacer may have caused over rotation... Im assuming thats what tgey corrected.

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[79LT1Monte]

Glad to hear progress, looking forward to hanging out with you and everyone else either way. Maybe we will have someones car to build in the parking lot the night before like years past.

[Tyler Wheat]

Woot! Woot!

So you may have numbers tomorrow?

[Tyler Wheat]

Awesome! I hope all goes well and you continue this streak of good news!

[popo8]

I hope so also..;. because now with every email... I can hear the cash register CHING!

[popo8]

today is tomarow and tomarow is today...WE WANT UP DATE!!! LOL :D


Have not heard anything.... Last night I had sent an email back.... that read:

"Joe

I know you said you hoped to finish it tomorrow, but are there any numbers yet for where its at as of now?

Larry"


By his response , I am assuming he thought I meant money wise, when I was asking for power.... He responded:|

"I will have Kevin get paperwork up to date tororow. FUel pressure is good now all the way up Now have to fine tune it. Still breaking up every few runs but I will figure that out tomorrow.

Thanks
Joe"

[popo8]

Looks like Im going OBD1.....

lol


THIS is gonna be expensive....



...but giving me a hard time with breaking up again now---
When it breaks up it is hot and the maf meter pegs—and it does that and we tune around that usually---through the PE tables—
I have tried different mafs---different computer todaqy from another car and just flashed it---
It must me something in the software that is causing it and I can not get to it—what I mean is it is not in the software—
I am going to switch it over to OBD 1 and try it—that is where I am at—
Fuel pressure and everything lese now is fine—

I will keep you updated
Joe

[popo8]

He is def doim a thorough job...
And hes even gonna see if he can program the obd1 computer with my VIN.... so that when plugged into the EMIS MACHINE it passes inspection... If not.... Ill still have the obd2 computer to plug back in.....



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[Tyler Wheat]

I'm anxiously awaiting numbers. Hopefully tomorrow! My fingers are crossed!

[popo8]

I'm anxiously awaiting numbers. Hopefully tomorrow! My fingers are crossed!

Not if hes converting to obd1..... :(

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[Tyler Wheat]

What part is he waiting on?

[popo8]

Well he just came up w the obd1 idea yesterday ... And he is gonna have bryan herter do the initial flash to the obd1 computer to put my vin in it......then that comp will need to make it across PA......(HERTER is at the other end)..... Then its just plug and play..... Knock sensor and computer... Then continue tuning....

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[CamaroZGuy]

sucks that its more time waiting, but it should be a monster and 100% when you get it back.

[popo8]

sucks that its more time waiting, but it should be a monster and 100% when you get it back.

It does... But u know how it is when u crossed a "waiting" hump.... Like im not sweating it. When the car sits there for weeks not being touched i get antsy.... But when they are updating me... And stuff makes sense..... Its ok...

I always knew tgere was a chance id out grow the 340 pump... So that made sense.... And the new set up looks noiceeee.... Then the tuning woes also make sense and ive always known from what moe and cory and others here had said that obd1 is better for tuning.... So that makes sense....

Im patient with progress... But impatient with tge unknown.... And in the end... Ill be wasted in the parkin lot of the hotel... Whether its the Z....the genesis...the vette...or the escalade........

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[popo8]

So i sent an emait to follow up since i was concerned that they removed my tb with my cutom IAC....Joe responded only minutes later (& it was 5:30am).


" Throttle body is exactly the same only the lever arm is tight nowObd1 computer will be theretodayand then finish up car this week
ThanksJoe"

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[Tyler Wheat]

That was pretty timely. I guess you know when to get a quick answer now!

I can't wait. Is there any way you can get a dyno video? :hmm:

[popo8]

That was pretty timely. I guess you know when to get a quick answer now!

I can't wait. Is there any way you can get a dyno video? :hmm:

There really isnt anyways I can... since this shop is like an hour and a half from me and the car has seent the dyno there several times, and has always come of with more issues..... I cant just drive up there rolling the dice that it will be the final run and if it is means I would have to inconvenience someone else so that the car can come home...

I have tons of dyno vids of my car if all your looking for is that, I can post some up....


And yes... I am also very excited!!!


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[8SEC6SPD]

so any news, lol!!!! you will forget about all of it once you have it back, and it runs like it is supposed to! until you get that credit card statement ;)

[popo8]

so any news, lol!!!! you will forget about all of it once you have it back, and it runs like it is supposed to! until you get that credit card statement ;)

No Update yet.... I know we are close though... so hopefully this OBD1 conversion makes it right. At 100 an hr on the dyno, I know that will be painfull come time to pay but NO NO NO no sir... Im paying for this job cash.... I dont want to think about it again.....

LOL.... plus I can usually negotiate the price a bit when Its hidden from Uncle Sam.......

I know your right though... when its right, and happy being beat on...... I wont care... And honestly, with 30k+ invested whats a few more....

[95Zbuild]

Just read the complete tread. I'm so waiting for how it turns out. I would love just to have a ride in something like your car. Can't imagine owning it and being able to drive it!!

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[popo8]

Just read the complete tread. I'm so waiting for how it turns out. I would love just to have a ride in something like your car. Can't imagine owning it and being able to drive it!!

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Thanks man... Really hoping it turns out well

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[green96ta]

Larry, why didnt you just go 24x? The lack of tuners is exactly why I done it, plus the 0411 does great with boost and custom operating systems! However, cant wait to see how it runs when you get it. Will you have it at the shootout?

[popo8]

Larry, why didnt you just go 24x? The lack of tuners is exactly why I done it, plus the 0411 does great with boost and custom operating systems! However, cant wait to see how it runs when you get it. Will you have it at the shootout?


I thought about it... but honestly.... its gonna sound weird, but I wanna stay true to the Opti... lol

And I dont know how all that stuff effects my emisions inspection here in PA... the car still needs to be plugged into a computer and How is an LS computer gonna represent itself as a 1996 computer, with proper vin , etc.....

[green96ta]

I thought about it... but honestly.... its gonna sound weird, but I wanna stay true to the Opti... lol

And I dont know how all that stuff effects my emisions inspection here in PA... the car still needs to be plugged into a computer and How is an LS computer gonna represent itself as a 1996 computer, with proper vin , etc.....

I gotcha. Emissions is the tricky part. I guess it would depend on how strict they wanted to be. wouldnt be no problem to pass a sniffer, or any of the other tests, but if they scan it that might cause a problem.

You truly are die hard for keeping the opti. When I took mine off I threw it on the ground, and then kicked that SOB while he was down. I still miss my lt1 though.

[MoeHorsePower]

I thought about it... but honestly.... its gonna sound weird, but I wanna stay true to the Opti... lol

And I dont know how all that stuff effects my emisions inspection here in PA... the car still needs to be plugged into a computer and How is an LS computer gonna represent itself as a 1996 computer, with proper vin , etc.....

You are right Larry, because at inspection they will plug in for an OBD II LT1 and of course it will not read...

[popo8]

I gotcha. Emissions is the tricky part. I guess it would depend on how strict they wanted to be. wouldnt be no problem to pass a sniffer, or any of the other tests, but if they scan it that might cause a problem.

You truly are die hard for keeping the opti. When I took mine off I threw it on the ground, and then kicked that SOB while he was down. I still miss my lt1 though.


You are right Larry, because at inspection they will plug in for an OBD II LT1 and of course it will not read...

And thats my biggest issue... Even swapping over to obd1 now... If thats an issue im plug and play back to obd 2....

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[popo8]

Im trying to stick with it and stay true.... I want my STRONG boosted LT1.....

I remember that Moe, and Cory and several others told me that the OBD1 conversion was the way to go..... sooooo, it makes sense that the direction he is going in.......
Anyways he sent me an update today....


"Larry
Trying it Topmorrow I just got the software from Bryan Today for it I did not have that.. I dont do those conversions bryan always did so I got it from him today and will try it out tomorrow.

Thanks
Joe"


Now Im not sure what program... Im assuming if he had what it takes to tune OBD 2 he has stuff to tune OBD 1.... so Im assuming he is referring to whatever it takes to start the FLASH to the computer to try to put my 96 vin into an OBD 1 computer...... Because from what I know before,,, the OBD 1 conversion is nothing more than an OBD 1 computer... with an OBD 1 knock sensor ......


On a different note... if the PA inspection emissions machine does not like the OBD 1 computer, I will swap in my OBD 2 computer.... but does anyone know if I will need to switch the knock sensor back, or can I get away with leaving the OBD 1 knock sensor in with the OBD 2 computer for the sake of setting monitors and passing emissions PLUG IN?

Just wondering... guess I can always find out.... the hard way and make the adjustments... lol.....

[popo8]

The OBD 1 and OBD 2 knock sensors are not interchangeable. There was a resistor mod write up somewhere that would make them interchangeable......Ill see if I can find it again.

Really? I thought Moe and Cory had told me that it was?

[popo8]

you can convert obd2 knock sensor to obd1 so you can have more agressive tune.

http://www.madtuner.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

The link u posted.... That just has items for sale on it.

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[popo8]

The OBD 1 and OBD 2 knock sensors are not interchangeable. There was a resistor mod write up somewhere that would make them interchangeable......Ill see if I can find it again.

But why would the resistance matter if Im changing the computer as well..

It would be no difference than an OBD 1 car... OBD1 computer.... OBD 1 knock SENSOR?

Im very confused, becuase this is conflicting with what I see, and have heard....

[BlackWidowSS]

I have a 1997 SS Camaro. I converted mine to OBD1 back in 2010 and have not looked back since. All you need to do is switch the OBD2 PCM to an OBD1 PCM (plug-n-play) and then swap out the OBD2 Knock Sensor for an OBD1 Knock Sensor that you can get at any auto parts store. You guys are correct, they put out a different signal in ohms and the OBD2 KS will not work with an OBD1 PCM...The 94/95 KS is a direct swap with a 96/97 KS. The harness is the same and so are the threads for the sensor in the side of the block. The part numbers and links for the sensors at AutoZone are listed below:

OBD2: SU121 http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Duralast-Knock-Sensor/1997-Chevrolet-Camaro/_/N-j986aZ93xni?itemIdentifier=2970_40147_0_
OBD1: SU150 http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Duralast-Knock-Sensor/1994-Chevrolet-Camaro/_/N-j0wbuZ93xni?itemIdentifier=3183_0_0_

Just make sure that when you switch your PCM's, you take the LT4 Knock MODULE out of the OBD2 PCM and install it into the OBD1 PCM. I forgot to do that when I switched and ended up having to buy a new LT4 KM...sad day lol

Once you do these, you will be able to tune as needed...When it comes time for emissions, just switch the PCM back to the OBD2, switch the knock sensor back to the OBD2, top off the lost coolant, ensure the rear O2's are accounted for (tuned out, simulated, or installed properly) and then make sure your Crank Position Sensor is installed, plugged in and working properly and you are all set!

[popo8]

Lol... I have enough connections from the people who have my car.. to the sponsors on here, to the members on here that have been there , done that... But thank You...


Hopefully now you know what is required to do the swap....

[popo8]

MONDAY....


TUESDAY....


Leave for KY @ 3am WEDS....


Is she (the Camaro) gonna be ready???


:mad::):mad::):mad::mad:

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[Tyler Wheat]

MONDAY....


TUESDAY....


Leave for KY @ 3am WEDS....


Is she (the Camaro) gonna be ready???


:mad::):mad::):mad::mad:

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I've got my fingers crossed for you!

[popo8]

UPDATE!!!


Its gonna be close..... I sent an email to Joe the Owner of the shop tonight that read:

"Joe,
I just wanted to follow up with you on my camaro since I did not hear back from you the other day.



Larry H."






"It worked i tried it today

I have to finish tuning it tomorrow if all goes well it should be done tomorrow or weds the latest
Sorry for the delay

Joe"



Im assuming that means the OBD1 conversion worked... tuning will see if we can get over that hump.... For those that dont know... we leave for KY @ 3am on Weds...... So he literally has 24 hours to make it happen....

[Chris]

I'd be on the phone with the guy right now.... so is my car done.... no excuses at the point he was aware when the car was needed and had plenty of time

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[BLK95-Z]

Wow, this deadline to get the car done is like some stuff you see on OVERHAULIN. lol

Good luck man....

[8SEC6SPD]

so how many people have pm'ed you asking if it is done, lol!

either way have fun down there! I so jealous! maybe next year. :(

[popo8]

so how many people have pm'ed you asking if it is done, lol!

either way have fun down there! I so jealous! maybe next year. :(

I have received PMs... comments in threads,and text messages....

But we all know how POPO is (thats me...)... I like to keep things interesting (to say the least)... the only people getting all the details for now... are those who are here... or those who text me.....

See...it pays to have made the 2012 LTX SHOOTOUT... ahhahahahahahahah.....



Hopefully next year tho man... for real!!

[The SRZ]

So it's finally finished?! GOOD GRIEF! Guess I'll just have to wait a few wks before the beans are spilled.

[popo8]

So it's finally finished?! GOOD GRIEF! Guess I'll just have to wait a few wks before the beans are spilled.

lol... yes it is NOW finally done....




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[popo8]

As most of you know by now.... the camaro never made it to Kentucky.... in fact all I did was post up pics of when we drove it there in 2010....i helped the idea that it was back...thrive on.....

ANYWAYS....on Thursday while at the Cotvette museum I did get the call that the car was Done.... I was told the horsepower...and Im very proud of my baby P1sc for making 590rwhp....at about 12 lbs of boost...

And that was thru my over kill afr 227s......

I was told it would be getting a bit of road test tunning to ensure good driveability......

Today (labor day) I emailed the owner and asked how it went....he responded...


" Larry we were doing some fine tuningI will let you know tomorrow after one more road test

Thanks and sorry for the delayHope you had a great holidayJoe"


So Im thinkin we may almost be there....

WHO WANTS TO GUESS WHAT THE BILL WILL BE...

-$100/hr tuning
-$750 for the dual wahlboros
-fix return on new AS&M TB
-OBD 1 conversion.

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[popo8]

Last minute decision for a new blow off valve made today...


No more stocker.


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[The SRZ]

590rwhp?! On that little P1? At what rpm? 12psi? Damn, I'd hate to see what that thing would to w/ my F1. :devil: That Larry is stout regardless of what anyone says. Torque wise though, since it's a secret, I'd guess in the 530 range. I just know you're glad to have her back!

Congrats for a long fought out slug fest w/ the car and other factors delaying the inevitable.

[popo8]

590rwhp?! On that little P1? At what rpm? 12psi? Damn, I'd hate to see what that thing would to w/ my F1. :devil: That Larry is stout regardless of what anyone says. Torque wise though, since it's a secret, I'd guess in the 530 range. I just know you're glad to have her back!

Congrats for a long fought out slug fest w/ the car and other factors delaying the inevitable.

thanku man... im very pleased.... made a last minute decision to have them instal an aftermarket bov instead of the stock procharger one... so it stalled pickup.... not sure what rpm it was at yet... im sure ill have dyno sheets when i pick it up tho.

Thanku again for the positive words...


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[blackbirdws6]

Don't take the picture I posted too seriously. Those are impressive numbers out of a little P1. Get some videos.

[Fastbird]

Larry........That's AWESOME for an LT1/P1SC combo. Congrats man!!!!

[popo8]

Don't take the picture I posted too seriously. Those are impressive numbers out of a little P1. Get some videos.

Ok, thank you man..... I appreciate it.

[popo8]

Larry........That's AWESOME for an LT1/P1SC combo. Congrats man!!!!

Thank You Sean..... Im very pleased with it.....

Of course Id never say no... but I think it will be a very fun DD.... :)

[Fixxer99TA]

Very fun? Understatement of the year...

Congrats!

[popo8]

let me know if you decide to pulley down, all i got right know is the stock 4.25" i think ill want more! :devil:

Im running a 3.55

[Tyler Wheat]

Congrats on the car being done! Good numbers :D

Can't believe you Rick Rolled everyone... you bastard!

[popo8]

Congrats on the car being done! Good numbers :D

Can't believe you Rick Rolled everyone... you bastard!

Thank You man... still waiting for the final last minute change (but that was my fault, kinda)

And as for my sneakiness.... in the voice of nelson muntz... HA HA.

[96LT1355Z28]

Any updates?

[popo8]

Ironically he emailed me today to make arrangements to pick it up at the end of the week...


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[firebird_1995]

Its payday

[popo8]

Its payday

ugh.... you aint kidding.. this is gonna be EXPENSIVE...

but all my past tunning has been expensive and has never gotten me all the way THERE... I wish MOE had been closer, I know it could have been done sooner (and cheaper, lol) but we can only work with what we have...


At this point I cant put a real price on having it 100%..... although I will still try to negotiate when he tells me the total...

[popo8]

taking guesses on the total cost....


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[94Blackbird]

Wouldn't even know where to start

X2, everything I've done so far with the exception of my new axle, has been either bargain hunting or cheap skating in the extreme. The last tune I had done was 6 years ago, and that only ran me 500 bucks (had the guy do a couple of other little things as well), so I haven't the foggiest idea. If I were forced to guess, I'd start out with somewhere between 2500 and 3000 just from the time and hassle and all the stuff you said had to be bought for it to get it running right.

[popo8]

Well, I set aside 5g for this job to help CASH the negotiations... (it was only 4g before, but thanks to 05hd, its 5....lol, but should be 6)

[popo8]

Look up the boost build budget thread.... many boosted members put up their investments...

I believe SRZ has like 70k in his...

[popo8]

lol... and I still feel all I did was build a fun DD..

But when you think about it... what does 35 k buy you in a new car these days....

[94Blackbird]

lol... and I still feel all I did was build a fun DD..

But when you think about it... what does 35 k buy you in a new car these days....


a bunch of fancy, useless electronic crap lol. And very, very little that is actually fun

[popo8]

on the door of a very safe 600 to the wheels... loaded with leather and ac and sirius.... for a lil more than miss popo's genesis coupe...exactly...


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[popo8]

Feels like its taking forever... but they are keeping me updated...

1145311452

[popo8]

Thanks man.... With all the BS thats been going on... Im really looking forward to having her back... even if it costs me an arm and a leg.

[The SRZ]

Isn't that a big ole' stinking Mondo BPV? Nice!

[popo8]

Isn't that a big ole' stinking Mondo BPV? Nice!

thanks.... hope its an improvement over the stock procharger piece.


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[popo8]

Well...I got an email about the car tonight... hes been working on trying to smooth out tge drivability...and HERTER is helping (long distance).... he says the car is "90%"....and he WILL have it done at the end of this week....


FYI...Tuesday will be 3months since i dropped it off....lol


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[The SRZ]

Wow

[popo8]

If its putting down those numbers and not breaking up like before its 100% better imo

Agreed....

[popo8]

WOW, almost 9500 views...

[popo8]

For those of you still following... gimme some input.

THe owner of the company feels as though my car is not all it can be....

He tells me that when the car was obdII, the breaking up, UP TOP was bad..... and hard to correct...

He says after the obd I conversion, the breaking up is resolved, but the down low drivability sucks.....

YES.... he is spending my money pretty well on this build, but I have to say that I do believe his intentions

are truley for the best for my car (and I )....

If you have been following since I dropped it off, it went like this:

-Drop the car off

-sat for a while

-tuning

-ran out of fuel in the higher rpms

-upgraded from 340 pump to dual 255s

-tuning

-breaking up still

-OBD1 conversion

-long distance help from HERTER

-GOOD WOT numbers, now to work on Drivability

-drivability sucks (according to owner of company)

now here is where we are at...


Im going to call him today in a few hours to discuss the situation, but


DO I:


-get mad and take the car

-go drive it and see if its better or worse

-or go with the newest option that Joe has suggested (last night in an email)




Joe wants to install a BIG STUFF (unsure if its BS3 or what) stand alone... he says ... he will knock off most of the tuning time into the car if I want to do that.... Research has shown me that the BS systems run 1500-3500...bucks




Anyone running a BIG STUFF in their car? I gotta be honest, the money sucks... but....the idea of on the fly tuning does kinda excite me.


TALK TO ME PEOPLE!!!!!!!

[red_z28]

Never heard of big stuff. But IMO I would take the car out and see for yourself what it is doing exactly. Then make a decision from there. I know a guy that does a killer 24x harness...you might know him. Haha

[popo8]

Never heard of big stuff. But IMO I would take the car out and see for yourself what it is doing exactly. Then make a decision from there. I know a guy that does a killer 24x harness...you might know him. Haha


I can appreciate that theory, but another thing is the hour and a half distance that the car is....

Its not a trip I really want to keep making... although if necessary, I will.


Lol... As for the 24x.... 24x is out of the question for me....I need my car to continue to pass Emissions plug in... and an LS computer will not cut it in an LTX car.....

I love the idea of the 24x, and think that its an amazing upgrade to our engines, but for where I want to be... its just not going to be a possibility.. at least right now. Also, Im not into taking the motor apart (any part of it) if it aint broke)....

In fact, Im still trying to see if a stand alone will work... Im not sure yet with that.

[popo8]

Well if he is knocking off most of the tuning time it might not be too much more than it is now. The guy is legitimately trying it seems like as he is trying different things to straighten the car out. I would email herter and see what he thinks about the big stuff swap. If he agrees then I would probably do it to get the car 100%. That being said I don't know the extent of your financial situation so don't overspend yourself.


By no means am I Rockafella... but I can manage getting done what I WANT to get done.... As for contacting HERTER, it was him who suggested going to this guy... I could talk to him, but he was clear that he had all the faith in the world over this guys ability... so that either keeps this guy high on the ladder, or Herter gets lower.... lol


I do also agree with you, I believe he is doing his best, through progression to get the car THERE.... unfortunatley, PROGRESSION takes time... and .....money.

[Chris]

What does a bs3 do for you emmisions wise over a 24x ?

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[popo8]

What does a bs3 do for you emmisions wise over a 24x ?

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Thats a good question... and exactly why I wrote
"In fact, Im still trying to see if a stand alone will work..."
Im not sure yet with that. ... lol (2 posts up)

And to add to that, I dont know if the Big Stuff piggie backs with the stock computer.... or if it replaces it....

I do know that the MEGA SQUIRT stand alones.... do piggie back.....and if that is the case, maybe INSPECTION parameters can still be read... (Emission Inspection is really only confirming VIN and making sure no more that 2 monitors are not set and that there are no SES or CE lights on....

[Chris]

Well right now you have the incorrect computer anyways so youd fail

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[popo8]

Well right now you have the incorrect computer anyways so youd fail

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Not true.... I have both the correct and incorrect computer....

[Chris]

I would say find out if the ls1 pcm can be programmed for you Vin for testing. I don't have testing here (or anywhere I have lived) but if you can just have a single pcm that will run your obd monitors stock cluster works and a real nice harness made to your application. That would be cool, and the tuning ability of that pcm is great.

Now if testing is only once every few years or something I geuss it wouldn't be a big deal to swap it over but if its a sniffer test too then that pcm would need to be tuned at least for ideal so its nice and clean. But if all they want is obd monitors who cares all we need is to get the car there n back. But can the monitors be tuned to always completed?

But if a aftermarket will piggyback gauges work with the stock pcm back in that would be the way to go right now at least. At the same time there will always be changes and in the future when a new motor goes in or a different setup you may want to change it again.

If the 24x will run your obd monitors and pass emmisions thats my vote. For around 1k from bill have the shop put it in. Then you can sell your harness and pcms to make up for a lot of that cost of the swap

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[popo8]

I would say find out if the ls1 pcm can be programmed for you Vin for testing. I don't have testing here (or anywhere I have lived) but if you can just have a single pcm that will run your obd monitors stock cluster works and a real nice harness made to your application. That would be cool, and the tuning ability of that pcm is great.

Now if testing is only once every few years or something I geuss it wouldn't be a big deal to swap it over but if its a sniffer test too then that pcm would need to be tuned at least for ideal so its nice and clean. But if all they want is obd monitors who cares all we need is to get the car there n back. But can the monitors be tuned to always completed?

But if a aftermarket will piggyback gauges work with the stock pcm back in that would be the way to go right now at least. At the same time there will always be changes and in the future when a new motor goes in or a different setup you may want to change it again.

If the 24x will run your obd monitors and pass emmisions thats my vote. For around 1k from bill have the shop put it in. Then you can sell your harness and pcms to make up for a lot of that cost of the swap

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Well Im not sure if the LS1 PCM can be tuned for my vin.. but even if it can that will not fool the computer. In fact the new OBD1 computer that they swapped into my car is tuned with my vin... and thats still a no go... so if OBD1 had been my cure all.. then swapping it would have been a small price to pay... no biggie.

But, maybe JOE is more anal than I am, and the OBD 1 set up is driving ok... but he insists that it is not..... so with that taken into consideration, I have to look into something else..... With sponsors on here who supply the 24x conversion, I will do my best to not sound negative, but that will get me a COP set up with an LSX pcm...... I wont pass inspection... and, I wil have to tear the front of the motor apart to do the set up... another thing that I dont want to do...

A stand alone, (hopefully that does piggie back) would be a matter of wiring..... no physical work to the motor..... that makes me much more comfortable (Im embarrassed to say it, but my biggest concern with taking the motor apart is LEAKS.. I have NO leaks, and I want it to stay that way FOREVER).......

People like fast bird are making INCREDIBLE numbers with stand alone systems (now I understand in his situation that it was a necessity because of the whole CHIP thing for 93s... but whats the real difference.... My OBD 2 computer with the right vin would run all of the components, while the stand alone will simplify and allow for on the fly tuning of the car and its performance...

And no matter what I do to the build, that car will ALWAYS have an LTX in it... so the standalone would be able to support tuning to any modification...

Or at least all of this is how Im ASSUMING it will be....


I do appreciate the options, and this is what I need to know what I do want to do or not....


PS- PA will only require OBD plug in for emissions for my 96... No sniffer. Also a visual is required (not a big deal)

[popo8]

OKAY....


Just talked to Joe.... He tells me that WOT is all but 100% with the OBD1 conversion in there.... According to him... he feels that drivability is 80% of what it COULD be with the OBD1 set up... IDK if he just has high hopes for a boosted, cammed stroked, BIG headed LT1... soooooooooooooooooooooo.....


He is going to put the OBD 2 set up back in the car that has the 508rwhp tune in it from the other tuner (the one that ran pretty shitty) and do a comparison on the dyno between it and where he has the current tune for the OBD1 set up.....

WIth that said............ If drivability is better than the way I dropped it off and WOT is truley at 95%.... I will go get the car.....


(which is what Im hoping for...)


NOW... if it is not.... the BIG STUFF 3 he GUARANTEES will get the car "110%".... but... I will not pass emissions because it will replace the functions of the stock PCM/ECU....... It is NOT a piggy back..... He says that it is the only stand alone he trusts.... NOW.....


I asked him what he knows about the 24X set up. I informed him that we have a sponsor here on the site, that can make it ALL happen... and described it as best I could.... His response was....



"Let me do what we discussed and see if the car is or is not better and by how much..... then I will call you back with where we are with money..... and if you want me to, I will call your guy with the 24x systems, and we can find out if we can make it pass inspection with the right vin in it....."



Soooooooooooooooooooo, lets see where it goes, and maybe I 2 will be on the 24x SWAP....

[popo8]

If your pcm is flashed to a matching vin as your car it shouldn't be an issue. Lsx or ltx is still obII so shouldn't affect it one way or another where as the ob1 will. If what your thinking about the vin issue was true then you couldn't buy a new ltx ob2 pcm it couldn't be flashed to your vin properly and would fail emissions. I could be wrong but I'm just thinking as long as it showed up as an ob2 pcm it should be ok on that front. Not pushing 24x just stating my thoughts on the pcm deal

The thinking was that the computers are still different... muddy jimmy confirmed in his state that the vin would make it pass.... however... in PA no one knows for SURE......

Ive burned up plenty of computers.... i know the new comps come blank... and the vin is put in.... i get THAT.


The question still remains...will the PA emissions machine c that its not the ltx computer...and rather a dif one based on something in the checklistvthat it looks at OUTSIDE the VIN #???


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[popo8]

sooooo..... to keep everyone caught up...
-obd 2 great drivability bad higher wot.

-obd 1 great wot...80% (in shop owners opinion) drivability.


-currently temp revert to obd 2 to c if obd 1 drivability that is "80%" is better than what i drove it there on.


-big stuff 3 option is out.


-24x is a possibility


-Bryan Herter does not want me to travel 8 hr w my car for something he believes this shop can do.


- one step at a time to see whats next if ANYTHING for now .....


-my car is still drivable... still makes great power and i have not given up on it or contemplated pushing it off a cliff or parking it .... :mad::D


whooooosaaaaaaaaaa.......






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[popo8]

"I think we got it pretty close now I will let you know and you can get it this week. I will email you tomorrow on pick up and invoicing


Joe"

[Chris]

sweet

[CamaroZGuy]

Awesome!

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[Greg08]

Good luck bud

[popo8]

So anyways..... the car is done, and waiting for me to pick it up....

Hopefully with my schedule Ill be able to pick it up this coming week......

[CamaroZGuy]

So anyways..... the car is done, and waiting for me to pick it up....

Hopefully with my schedule Ill be able to pick it up this coming week......

Awesome! U still got some time to enjoy it before winter

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[SMok3 Em A11]

Hell yea bro glad to hear maybe it will ease some of your pain and stress!!!

[firebird_1995]

Maybe I missed it but, what was the final $ total on the work done? If you care to share that is...

[firebird_1995]

More than you anticipated? I know how much that was. I guess in the end if its right it would be worth it.

[popo8]

it was the high side of my anticipation

[firebird_1995]

Sum-beach better be right then.

[popo8]

Sum-beach better be right then.

Well Ive gone through the R.O which he emailed to me... and there is def alot of tuning time on there, which Im assuming I may be able to negotiate down a bit with CASH...

But for the most part, they did alot of work, and tried alot of things... so Im not unahappy... and with the power its making on the boost its seeing, Im very pleased....

[94Blackbird]

So the ordeal is finally over?

[popo8]

12000119991199811997


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[94Blackbird]

12000119991199811997


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Awesome!!!

[Chris]

Im lovin IT!

[BLK95-Z]

Glad you got her back....hopefully shes right.

[popo8]

Awesome!!!


Im lovin IT!


Well details Larry details


Freaking awesome!!!
Congrats ow you at least have a glimpse of what having a child is like lol...


Glad you got her back....hopefully shes right.

FIRST THING I AM GOING TO SAY, IS I WILL NOT POST ANYWHERE WHEN I PICKED THE CAR UP FOR WORK (spy) REASONS.


NOw..... what I will say is HOLY SHIT!

It is night and day!

It is an angry angry monster!
Under deceleration the car used to always pop and back fire at 2k, on its way down... NO more!!! Its smooth... DRIVABILITY is not 85% like the shop owner said.. it is 100% or atleast compared to how this car has been since the stock engine...

Of course I drove by the rules, and laws in PA, but I would be comfortable to say with 100% certainty that if I was rolling in a mid to higher rpm in 3rd gear, and I roll into it to merge onto a highway, It would "probably" blow the tires of and set the car sideways for a bit.... And it would probably scare the hell out of whomever would be driving at said time... lol


We went over everything and all of the installation work and fabrication work is top notch.... I did not realize how much the tuner himself is and LT1 fanatic, and may be joining the site.

I was happy to see a real 1996 grand sport on the lift , getting a new motor (third one) becuase the owner is boosting the hell out of it, and thrashing it over and over on the twisty tracks...

They also work on a bunch of impalas (LTX) from a local impala club out there... I left a bunch of flyers to be given to them as well......

:)

[CamaroZGuy]

congrats! hope your loving it!

[firebird_1995]

Good deal!

[popo8]

congrats! hope your loving it!


Good deal!

Thanks guys... im so excited... its the best it ever run!!!!!


I know there were delays and situation after situation... but i would refer anyon to these guys... Marcello is the tuner and he knows his shit....



oh yeah... the mondo bov... has and awesome sound to it... totally different to the fluttering sound of the procharger one......


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[CamaroZGuy]

Thanks guys... im so excited... its the best it ever run!!!!!


I know there were delays and situation after situation... but i would refer anyon to these guys... Marcello is the tuner and he knows his shit....



oh yeah... the mondo bov... has and awesome sound to it... totally different to the fluttering sound of the procharger one......


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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VIDEO!!! I WANT TO HEAR THIS BEAST RUN!!!!

[popo8]

VIDEO!!! I WANT TO HEAR THIS BEAST RUN!!!!


I will try to make one this weekend.... I prob need a new muffler, the magnaflow sounds like it may have finally come apart on the inside or something.....at idle and wot its awesome, cruising under load, you can hear it ...

[popo8]

12003

Now.... I am complete.


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[Fastbird]

Awesome Larry!!! Glad you finally got the saga concluded.

[Joker Z28]

I like happy endings.

[popo8]

Think Im gonna drive it to "work" this week.... if I go in.


The neighbors wont be happy when i fire it up between 530 & 600am....


:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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[Fixxer99TA]

Think Im gonna drive it to "work" this week.... if I go in.


The neighbors wont be happy when i fire it up between 530 & 600am....


:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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Awww, what a shame... Looks like they are going to have to deal like my neighbors.

[popo8]

Ahhh, what a great drive to work today.....


She drives like a dream!!!!

[popo8]

Ok, so as many of you SHOULD know by now, I have a boosted 6spd 386 camaro

It makes 602 to the rear wheels, through the 9" (3.90 gears)

Today, I took it for a ride while cleaning out the garage... at first it was running like ass (I was not happy cause of my tuning woes I thought I had paid to fix) and watching the a/f it was pegged at 10.0 under part throttle, low rpms... anyways, after a slow cruise through the neighborhood...it cleared out... dont know if it was in open loop and still warming up or what, but as soon as the car had some temp in it , she was fine...


ANYWAYS....(still leading up to my issue), I took it out of the development, and cruised for a bit, and she was back to being crisp and responsive....on the way home, I rolled (gently) through first...into second, and into third... once I felt like it was ready...I rolled in much more aggressively...she started to pull hard, then started to walk a lil sideways, then started violently wheel hopping.......

Here is my question... should I increase or reduce air in the drag bags to avoid that, or will neither help...?




My rear suspension consists of 2" lowering springs... drag bags through the centers.... adjustable lca's on welded relocating brackets..... My torque arm is still stock, stamped.....

[MeanTA]

you need a adjustable torque arm. you need to get your opinion angle set right.

[popo8]

you need a adjustable torque arm. you need to get your opinion angle set right.

I couldve sworn it was adjust with the lca??? Is that not possible?

[94Blackbird]

I couldve sworn it was adjust with the lca??? Is that not possible?


Pinion angle is set with the torque arm. LCA's are used to locate the axle forwards or back and the Panhard bar centers laterally

[popo8]

Ok, big help to 94Blackbird (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?1623-94Blackbird) for getting me to understand that the relocating brackets adjust the angle of the LCAs only... not the pinion angle.... phew... so simple, yet I was way backwards... lol

[popo8]

Umi has a mount for lowered cars just mount it in the lower position. Mounted mine in the upper and only on a very hard launch did it bump. If I had it in the lower position it wouldn't have hit.

any chance you could locate a link.. Im an idiot with TA stuff.. (clearly...Im running a stock stamped one).

[MeanTA]

any chance you could locate a link.. Im an idiot with TA stuff.. (clearly...Im running a stock stamped one).

That's why this site is here. to help and learn:)

I run a trans mount one( full length). But i don't drag my car much. mine is setup for happening in turns. aka autox/road course racing.

[shownomercy]

Buy this
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_116&products_id=204

And this
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_115&products_id=130

Best way to avoid bumps and clattering, with the advantages of a stiffer, and adjustable TA.

[popo8]

Any sort of chassis tunnel mount will clank and make noise.

Get a long one, and keep it off the tailshaft. You don't race the car so why sacrifice ride quality.

So the one you are showing me replaces the support that holds up the trans.....

the one Jesse (BADBIRD) is showing me replaces the support that is the fat cheaper looking crossmember .???

[shownomercy]

There joint at the chassis mount will shift back and front as the rear end traverses up and down. The plate that attaches to the rear end can clank on the body of the car depending on how centered or far forward the rear is.

You also lose any sort of poly mount for dampening, so more road noise will be transmitted through the car.

[popo8]

Ok...

Im really liking the set up SHOW NO MERCY posted...BUT.... those two pieces together are about $600.00, and a DS loop will cost me another 150 ish... shipped everything should cost me 800+

or the one BAD BIRD posted....thats 420.00 (doing it from memory)... with a DS loop included..... shipped prob in at $500.00

NOW THATS A DIFFERENCE of 300+ bucks....


In everyones honest opinion..... my car clunks from the LOCKER... its lowered on 30 series tires, with LTs and no cats (LOUD)..... if I BFH the tunnel to clearance ... is the few times it may thump and bang (and yes I still dont like the idea of it banging) enough to minimize the thumps and bangs that I may not notice, or notice very rarily worth $300+?


HONEST?

PS- No... its not a race car.. and Im all about driving it... but by no means is it a comfort or quiet car... its raw, and fun like that.....

[blackbirdws6]

I run this setup. I don't hear any clunks but then again I'm not lowered.

http://www.umiperformance.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_115&products_id=212

[MeanTA]

my car ia lowered. Rear 25.5 inches front 25 inches (ground to fender apex measurment).

and Im running the tram mount torque arm. and trans relocation mount from UMI. and love it. neverhhad a clank from it. and car responds very good in strait line acceleration!

just my .02 i like my setup best.

[popo8]

my car ia lowered. Rear 25.5 inches front 25 inches (ground to fender apex measurment).

and Im running the tram mount torque arm. and trans relocation mount from UMI. and love it. neverhhad a clank from it. and car responds very good in strait line acceleration!

just my .02 i like my setup best.


Im reading up on the links that everyone has provided... do you have a link of the one you are running, or is it one of the ones posted...

[MeanTA]

its the same one shownomercy posted.

edit: i got to stop posting with my phone. it makes me look like i had a stroke and cant spell anymore lol

[popo8]

Lookie what I found...

Looks like the BMR version of the one SHOW NO MERCY posted...RIGHT?

Looks like it replaces the trans mount.....

$325 is good for a unit that UMI sells for alot more.....RIGHT?

Just need to figure out why is specifies 98-02

Sent him a PM...talk to me people...

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/pts/3326148446.html

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[popo8]

http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/93-02-umi-tunnel-brace-mounted-torque-arm-w-dsl-lt-headers-1/
this is the one i have on my car, the road noise/viberation is a bit more but thats why i still have a full stereo in my car...LOL It did take some time to get set properly, at first i had MASSIVE wheelhop issues but after fine tuning the angle its awesome. even on the road with shitty tires and a 3200 stall i could almost dead hook...


Ok, cool, looks like that is the same one that blackbirdws6 (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?1993-blackbirdws6) suggested. BadBird was suggesting against that one due to the lowered stance of my camaro and the dip in the crossmember to accomodate exhaust. Other than that dip in it, it looks to be the same everything else as the 2201 part number that Badbird suggested.

[CamaroZGuy]

Ok, cool, looks like that is the same one that blackbirdws6 (http://ltxtech.com/forums/member.php?1993-blackbirdws6) suggested. BadBird was suggesting against that one due to the lowered stance of my camaro and the dip in the crossmember to accomodate exhaust. Other than that dip in it, it looks to be the same everything else as the 2201 part number that Badbird suggested.

i think the only difference is the tunnel brace, i am not even sure if the dip down brace is needed, i just went with what UMI said.

[blackbirdws6]

ifyou can get away without the dip, then do it. As you can see from my pic, it was needed to clear my exhaust.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w170/bmdeluca/The%20Bird/Blower%20Build/IMG_20110329_144305.jpg

[shownomercy]

Shorter TA are recommended for lower HP cars, and longer ones for higher HP cars AFAIK.

As long as you get an adjustable, aftermarket TA, and its not mounted on the trans tailshaft, you are ahead of the game.

[popo8]

Im gonna have to get under my cR and see how much th exhaust drops there... Currently im using the stock cross member and it clears the exhaust but is spaced away from the mounting points with 3/4" spacers...


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[BLK95-Z]

Good info here.

[MeanTA]

Shorter TA are recommended for lower HP cars, and longer ones for higher HP cars AFAIK.

shorter TA are for higher H.P. drag setups because its less torque ilift on the car creating less tire lift on launches. the longer arm will create more torque lift applied to the chassis

[popo8]

Consider this a cheap purchase when snapping the tail off the trans housing would be much more expensive.

Thats not an option so its between an expensive optuo and a more expensive option..NEITHER of which have anything to do with the tranny tail shaft.


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[popo8]

other crossmember? Do 4thgens have something diff. I dont know about?

On my car the tranny crossmember is one unit. My setup is a complete T56 tranny crosmember with the trq arm mount on it.

Yup... Thats what was discussed in the previous pages... There is a ceossmember that supports the trans...and there is a thin stamped one between the trans and the rear...

both have adjustable torque arm set ups...which was where this thread was going...and the decision between the two is what was being discussed...


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[popo8]

IT WAS STILL FOR SALE:

Ordered and paid for...



Lookie what I found...

Looks like the BMR version of the one SHOW NO MERCY posted...RIGHT?

Looks like it replaces the trans mount.....

$325 is good for a unit that UMI sells for alot more.....RIGHT?

Just need to figure out why is specifies 98-02

Sent him a PM...talk to me people...

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/pts/3326148446.html

98-02 camaro Torque Arm and torque arm relocation crossmember - $325 (west caldwell)

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[96LT1355Z28]

Nice you'll be happy with that. I can't believe you were still using the stock TA!:face_shocked:

[popo8]

Awwww shyt

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[96LT1355Z28]

Early Christmas!!

[MeanTA]

did you go with trans or tunnel mount?

[popo8]

98-02 camaro Torque Arm and torque arm relocation crossmember - $325 (west caldwell)

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[popo8]

did you go with trans or tunnel mount?

The one that supports the trans.

[MeanTA]

sweet good choice!

[popo8]

Thanks... Im excited!

[CamaroZGuy]

sweet man! it will be a hole new car with that!

[popo8]

Thanks guys... I think it was a decent deal.... Got it for the aski g price...shipped.

Anyways...hoping i can feel a diff like yall say.... But even if not... Knowing i wont break the trans over traction is a good thing.

Do u all use a poly mount in these...or do u just reuse the factory rubber


Larry (Popo8) Co-owner
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[CamaroZGuy]

you will notice a difference! i have all poly mounts.

[CamaroZGuy]

-2 to -3 degrees...

[popo8]

i know it's late info, but it's relevant to the topic. for people running lowered cars and scraping their cross members, you might look into the one Midwest Chassis makes. it might free up a couple inches under the car.

12891
12892

just a thought for people who might use this thread later when deciding on their TA.

Is that replacing the trans cross member or the one further back?


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[popo8]

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[popo8]

I backed mine over a dip in the yard and squeezed up under it to adjust it

IM very lucky to have access to conventional and drive on lifts at two different shops....but.... Its still killing me that I cant do shyt myself....

[wysemunky]

It looks like I may be too late, but I think 98-02 has a different trans crossmember mounting point.

[94Blackbird]

It looks like I may be too late, but I think 98-02 has a different trans crossmember mounting point.

Now that you mention it, the only difference I'm aware of is between manuals and automatics.

[popo8]

Here is BMRs page:

http://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=products&vehicleid=6&maincatid=58&catid=168

and here is the relocating cross member that I purchased....

http://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=products&productid=327

and the one I would need is:

http://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=products&productid=332


At 270 bucks (shipped) for a new relocating cross member

and

At 255 for the TA itself.....

http://www.spohn.net/shop/1993-1997-GM-F-Body/Suspension/Torque-Arms/Transmission-Mounted-Torque-Arms/Tubular-Adjustable-Torque-Arm-Transmission-Mounted.html

I think I can still recover.....I just need to sell that relocating mount.

[firebird_1995]

Well that sucks. I wonder if it could be made to work....

[popo8]

Well that sucks. I wonder if it could be made to work....

lol... I keep staring at it and the pics, and its sooo close... I think it could....

[firebird_1995]

I keep looking at the difference between the lt1 4l60e and lt1 400 turbo and it almost looks like you could cut the trans mounting tab off and move it to the other side of the cross member. So if you decide you don't want to hack on it, let me know cause I might be hacking one up anyways. I just can't see spending $260 on a new one.