Calling CALL911

[QC97Z]

I need some info regarding the need (or not) to cut a gigantic hole in my otherwise nice stock bumper cover for my FMIC.
I have a bumper support that's already been modified and set up for a direct bolt-on for my FMIC (bought it that way).
I heard that CALL911 did not cut his bumper at all...and made some sort of extra air dam.
Need some info or pics to help out...or even having Call911 fabricate said piece for a small fee...:devil:
I have 3 weeks to complete my build...but it's all just drop out and drop in. I have a complete motor and trans, just have to get it all mated up and accessories from the old motor on the new.
Thanks in advance for the quick help!
-Brett-

[Fastbird]

Ben did make a small scoop that affixed to the bottom of his bumper, but this was to help the underside pick up and move more air through because his car was running hot with the FMIC sitting right in front of the radiator with the flat bottom obstructing the normal airflow that would normally be directed through the radiator by the air dam. He just used some bolts and shims and some thin sheetmetal to make a scoop that sticks below his nose a bit. Probably only about an inch to an inch and a half at most, but it's enough to keep his car running at normal temps.

He did NOT cut his bumper to my knowledge.

[QC97Z]

Do you know if he was using an EWP and a 160 thermostat? I'd like some more info on how he did it...
I sent him a PM on LS1tech, maybe I'll do the same on here. I need his assistance!
I really would like to have my bumper cover ON during dyno time...

[Fastbird]

I can't for the lift of me remember if he was EWP or not. I want to say not. 160° thermostat I'm 99.9% sure he was running.

[popo8]

I want in on this conversation, but I dont know what an FMIC is.... please get this old head caught up....

[popo8]

Front Mount Inter Cooler!!! GOT IT!!!, never mind... if you look at mine it mouts underneath and has a scoup to draw air up, maybe you could manage something like that (excuse spelling... VACATION=DRUNK as shit!)

[Fastbird]

Popo....I'm going to have to change that drink I'm going to buy to you to sometihng like Ensure or the like. :D What's a FMIC? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[popo8]

Popo....I'm going to have to change that drink I'm going to buy to you to sometihng like Ensure or the like. :D What's a FMIC? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:



Hahaha, Ive been drinking captain for 4 days now, from wake till bed.... I should get a LITTLE leeway....:cry:

[QC97Z]

Nothing wrong with drinking exceptionally large amounts of Captain. I can imagine people watching you chug shit down chanting "POPO, POPO, POPO, POPO" LOL
I've been PMing a bit with Call911 on LS1tech about his setup.
Popo, do you have any detailed pics of your setup?
Dyno day is 3 weeks from today, and I have a lot of shit to do. This is something I'd like to have a pretty quick plan for.

[popo8]

I cant do it till I get home, however there is a vid floating around of it, and when I clear the front bumper you can get a glimpse of the horizontal mounted intercooler with the scoup....

[popo8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyDgqn4JWTw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DkyDgqn4JWTw&h=1cd39U6QMJjrZRtKb1DawPdmDKg)

[QC97Z]

I cant do it till I get home, however there is a vid floating around of it, and when I clear the front bumper you can get a glimpse of the horizontal mounted intercooler with the scoup....

All I can see in the vid is the stock front air dam...

[popo8]

dont give up so soon... once you see the stock front air damn i will put the camera behind it it, right on the IC

[CALL911]

Sorry I didn't catch the thread until now.

Besides the info I sent you via PM, I do not have an EWP, I am still running factory GM water pump as I heard the EWP can't keep up when doing extended high speed runs. I am running a 160 thermostat, and have done the TB bypass mod. Fastbird was correct, I did run an air scoop to help direct air to both the FMIC. On top of the air scoop, I actually extended the factory air dam down because after some initial driving I was a little concerned that my normal running temps were around 190-195 ish (granted this was on a humid 95 degree day on the streets of Jersey at the time) and I wanted more air to go to the radiator since I was taking some and directing it to the FMIC with the air scoop.

The pictures aren't the best, but here's what I have.

Here's how the car looks from the front.
http://i31.tinypic.com/iliwau.jpg

Here's the FMIC install
http://i29.tinypic.com/1pyt0p.jpg

Here's one just before I installed the fog lights back in
http://i31.tinypic.com/ng22x1.jpg

...having some issues with the picture hosting website, and I have to go fly a simulated combat sortie (work for me). I'll try to post up more pics later like the few close ups I have of the air scoop and air dam.

[QC97Z]

Excellent! Thanks for the info Ben. I'll be checking up later for more pics.
I'm considering just deleting my fog lights...but I'd rather keep them. I guess I'm on the fence about that.

[CALL911]

Deleting the fogs help, but really the little bit more of air flow to the intercooler is not worth the downgrade in appearence IMO. I would reccomend cutting out the area behind them as I did though, as you really can't tell that the area is cut behind them unless you look up close, and the flow (even around the fogs) will definatly improve the performance of your FMIC.

Speaking of close up, here are the best pics I have of the scoop for the FMIC.

Here's the best front end pic I have. You can see that the stock air dam I extended down with some obvious silver bolts (I later painted them to hide them better). The extension of the stock air dam helped more flow back to the radiator that in turn helped cooled my engine temps stay cooler. This ended up helping a full 10 degrees cooler running temps on average compared to before where the scoop pulled more air away from the radiator.
http://i27.tinypic.com/2mrf778.jpg

Heres the best one I have of the scoop itself close in
http://i32.tinypic.com/vexbft.jpg

[QC97Z]

Interesting...it looks (at least from my vantage point) that the scoop is mounted off the bottom of your IC, and there's some space between the scoop and the bottom of your IC. I could see how it could deflect some air up to the front flowing front to back, but it looks like it would also direct more air to the AC condenser and radiator as well. Am I right, or just looking at this thing really funny?

[CALL911]

Interesting...it looks (at least from my vantage point) that the scoop is mounted off the bottom of your IC, and there's some space between the scoop and the bottom of your IC. I could see how it could deflect some air up to the front flowing front to back, but it looks like it would also direct more air to the AC condenser and radiator as well. Am I right, or just looking at this thing really funny?

I removed the AC condensor and AC system from my car back when it was NA. The radiator actually is behind the FMIC, so the potential air that would go entirely to the radiator is now partially robbed, and goes to the FMIC instead. Hence, one reason my running temps were getting hot (the bigger reason was just because running a supercharger will make you run hotter all together anyway). With less airflow to the radiator, and the air scoop seen in the pic grabbing even more air from below away from the air dam it was enough I had to figure out a way to get more air to the radiator as well.

Thats when I ended up extending the air dam which gave me more air flow to the radiator. It ended up working well, and even though the temps never get as cool as they did when I was NA, they still are fairly close to it, and even on a very hot day when I am running it hard, the temps are far away from getting to dangerously hot levels.