New 5.0 Mustang

[IronOutlaw]

Well I looked and didnt see any posts about it on here yet. Read on ls1tech last night people are running 12.5s at 113 stock. Thats with 331 gears and Im sure the 355 cars will be faster. :hmm:
Apparently the blue oval has finally got their stuff together and made a fast GT. Kinda makes me sad that my car, with a considerable amount of mods, will not hang with a completely stock stang. :cry:

[Fixxer99TA]

Took em long enough :(

[MeanGreen94Z]

just wait... the price to do heads and cam swaps will be OUTRAGEOUS! those motors are EXTREMELY HiTech and no backyard mechanic will be able to do it... the 5.0 is gonna take place of the termis, when u ask the termi guys whats done to their cars you get the answers "pulley and exhaust", "Pulley Exhaust and a programmer", or Pulley, exhaust, programmer and gears"... with the 5.0 guys its going to be "CAI and gears" "CAI, Gears, and programmer"

really tho i wonder how long those motors will last with good mods? watch it be another motor like the early 90's 5.0 blocks, and at the 500 HP level they become a grenade with a timer...lol

[Z28pr0jekt]

Even the new V6 stangs will keep up with if not beat stock LT1s. It's basically a drivers race between the V6 and the LT1

[96lt1m6]

sign of the times........took ford long enough and ruining 900 employees lives due to lay offs

[chevrolet423]

900 lay offs due to the CAMARO's success....? :)

[IronOutlaw]

I don't know what the compression is with these motors but if theyre anything like the 4.6 they're gonna be some bad s.o.b.s with a blower.

[mpe331lx]

I don't know what the compression is with these motors but if theyre anything like the 4.6 they're gonna be some bad s.o.b.s with a blower.


I'm pretty sure compression is in the 11:1 range. So like the LS1 owners, most will probably turn to nitrous. The bosted stock motors will be limited on how much they can be bosted.

[gregrob]

SOLID 10's with bolt ons + tune + 100 shot. Sounds pretty badass to me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYsI4T_djdM




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJsmTVN9vY

[Colossus]

Looks nasty.

[joelster]

Not a car to take lightly. It's 1987 all over again, lol. There was one here at our local 1/4 mile track ripping consistent 12.5's all day long, right off of the showroom floor, paper filter and all. The general had better answer REAL QUICK. I'm a die-hard Chevy guy but the new 5.0 is head and shoulders better than the current Camaro SS in terms of performance. It has a more powerful motor even though it's rated lower, and it's pushing less weight. Ford has performance packages available too, such as rear gears.

The Camaro needs 20 more hp and some 3.73's, maybe drop 50-75 lbs if possible. It would be awesome to see GM offer a track-pak option that has 3.73's, manual cloth seats, manual windows, no a/c, and a GM CAI in place. That would show everyone how serious they are.

LOL at all of the comments on here about how hard it is to modify a new 5.0 with a heads/cam package. They don't needs new heads or new cams! They are good right off the showroom floor. Drag radials/drag wheels, some 4.10's, a CAI, and a cat-back, and this car will run 11's and still get 25-30mpg.

In 1987 Ford re-designed the body of the 5.0 and boosted the power a tiny bit,AND KEPT THE PRICE IN CHECK. What happened? They sold hundreds of thousands of them, and they started a performance revolution. It took Chevy 7 years to answer with the LT1 4th gen, and it wasn't a whole lot faster. IROC's were typically $2500-$5000 more than a 5.0 depending on options and .2-.4 slower at the track. I lived during that era and remember it VERY well. The first victim won't be the Camaro though. The first victim will be the Challenger. The V-6 Mustang will beat the Challenger R/T with it's 375hp HEMI. How sad is that?

Hurry up GM and get your shit together REAL FAST!

[IronOutlaw]

How much are these things selling for vs an SS? If they are cheaper thats gonna be really bad for GM.

[Joker Z28]

I dont even know if its worth having an LT1 or LS1, Carbed, any ford motor ect. ect. when all these new cars are just blowing us away. I can tell I am going to not like this new era, no more fun building up cars.
Just a few mods and bam your running 10s with drag cars.
I hate my life

/rant

[joelster]

I just looked around my local dealers and found a 2011 Mustang GT for $31,680. Unreal performance options for the price too, lol. here they are:


RED CANDY METALLIC TINTED CC
CHORD II CLOTH SEATS
DARK CHARCOAL
PREFERRED EQUIPMENT PKG.
5.0L 4V TI-VCT V8
6-SPEED MANUAL TRANS MT82
P235/50R18 A/S TIRE
SECURITY PACKAGE
FRONT LICENSE PLATE BRACKET
CALIFORNIA EMISSIONS SYSTEM
3.55 RATIO LIMITED SLIP AXLE
TAPE STRIPE DELETE
FUEL CHARGE

Damn 3.55's with a 6-speed and not a lot of power acessory options means it is light. Can you say 12.40's?

here's the link to see for yourself:

http://westherr.com/inventory/new/FORD/MUSTANG/Buffalo/2011-FORD-MUSTANG-Buffalo-FHM10025.cfm?countrytabs=0

They have 2 more at $34,090, 1 at 39,090, and a beast at $53,365 Shelby 550hp monster

[Neil350]

Ford dealers also honor supplier pricing on them, so you get some rebates. Chevy dealers still want MSRP on their 5th gens. This months MM&FF has a CS/GT in it, six speed manual, 3.73s, they ran 12.69@112 on the stock tires, weighed in at 3780 with driver, not notch weight but lighter then a 5th gen. On drag radials they went a best of 12.34@110, the DRs were 2.5 inches shorter so they were going in to 5th which is 1:1, not a double OD like a T56. Getrag built the T56s for the MKIV Supras, not the same unit but heres to hoping it's just as strong. Honestly it's the car most diehard 4th gen guys wanted the 5th gen to be, light, solid axle, great handler that ran really well. The Mustang out laps and out stops the 5th gen, the 250lb weight difference must have a lot to do with that. I like them a lot.

[Fastbird]

INteresting....so if 5th gear is 1:1 in these new 5.0's........that sucker has some wonderful 1-4 gearing that absolutely MUST be helping move it along so quickly. They are healthy no doubt, but they will NOT take the place of the Terminators....no way. The FI motor in the Termi's hands down yeilds better realized gains per mods. Anywho.......Yes, this is the car that the Camaro should have been. Chevy flubbed it by weighing it down and overpricing it IMO. Just remember though, our LT and big brother LS cars will keep up with most of these rather easily due to a weight advantage and what I would think is an aerodynamic advantage...in a straight line at least.

[joelster]

INteresting....so if 5th gear is 1:1 in these new 5.0's........that sucker has some wonderful 1-4 gearing that absolutely MUST be helping move it along so quickly. They are healthy no doubt, but they will NOT take the place of the Terminators....no way. The FI motor in the Termi's hands down yeilds better realized gains per mods. Anywho.......Yes, this is the car that the Camaro should have been. Chevy flubbed it by weighing it down and overpricing it IMO. Just remember though, our LT and big brother LS cars will keep up with most of these rather easily due to a weight advantage and what I would think is an aerodynamic advantage...in a straight line at least.

I gotta disagree with you on the terminator being the better motor. It was rated at 390hp, which we all know is an underestimate. I'd say it is around 440 or so because a LOT of them dyno at 350ish-360ish at the wheels. The 2011 5.0 motor dynoes even higher than that and it is doing it N/A. What do you think would happen if you gave it 6lbs of boost? Obviously the new 5.0 motor has vastly superior heads and valvetrain than the terminator motor. Sure you can always put pulleys on the terminator motor and make 500hp, but the new 5.0 motor will be getting close to that with simple bolt-ons. Headers, no cats, a good cat-back and a tune would get you 450ish at the wheels n/a. I can't even imagine what it would do with a Kenne Bell on it.

[Fastbird]

Joelster, never said the termi had a better motor. Said that the 5.0 won't replace and my basis is the cost vs. realized gain average. Put 2K into a Termi, make well over 600 RWHP. Put 2K into the 5.0, and you might make it to 5. I bet the 5.0 isn't all forged internals set up for boost either. Sure, a KB or something to add the roots blower to the 5.0 will give it the advantage, but let's be realistic also. How many $$$$ does that cost?

I'll take the Termi. Looks better too IMO. :D

[joelster]

I just looked at the specs for the motor. It is DAMN impressive as far as strength goes. Here are some tidbits

1. 4-bolt nodular iron main caps with 2 side bolts (Basically a 6-bolt main like an LSx motor)
2. Forged crankshaft
3. Piston squirters to cool the pistons
4. crossover coolant passage re-routed through the block instead of the intake to cool the intake better.
5. Forged powdered metal rods
6. hypereutectic pistons
7. The base 5.0 cylinder heads outflow the GT500 heads by 4 percent
8. From 3750rpm-6500rpm the motor is over 100% volumetric efficiency. At peak torque it is at 110 percent.
9. 8-quart oil capacity with a built in windage tray.

[joelster]

Joelster, never said the termi had a better motor. Said that the 5.0 won't replace and my basis is the cost vs. realized gain average. Put 2K into a Termi, make well over 600 RWHP. Put 2K into the 5.0, and you might make it to 5. I bet the 5.0 isn't all forged internals set up for boost either. Sure, a KB or something to add the roots blower to the 5.0 will give it the advantage, but let's be realistic also. How many $$$$ does that cost?

I'll take the Termi. Looks better too IMO. :D

Ah I see, my bad. Yes right now the terminator might be the better bang for the buck as far as mods go, but I bet in 5 or 6 years there will be tricks to pushing this new motor into the 700+hp range. I just hope GM can respond. I have NEVER been a fan of supercharged motors because it seemed to me like an easy way out to make power. Take a 300hp V-8 turd and add some healthy boost and now it's 425+ easy. I never bat an eye when a Mustang pulls up next to me. They ONLY way you can make a Mustang fast from '05 on up is to slap on a supercharger. And even then they are 12 second cars, lol. There hasn't been an impressive N/A motor from Ford in a very long time. Now we get 2 of them in one year, lol.

[Camaro_94]

I'll take the Termi. Looks better too IMO. :D

+1!

That will be my next car... :cool:

[gregrob]

Dude, those specs are retarded awesome.

[Fastbird]

Forged Powdered rods? Interesting. I thought it was one or the other.

The one I've got to kind of disagree with is is being over 100% VE. A N/A motor simply can't go above 100% VE. Think of VE as the percentage of the amount of atmosphere you're bringing into the motor that's being used. How it's going to use more air than it's bringing in is beyond me. My bet would be a scaling trick with the VE tables from the tuning program.

Impressive motor? Sure. The big questions are going to be reliability over time, and how expensive they're going to be to get to the inside. If they have the dual timing chain setup like some of their other motors did with one at the front and one at the back, look out when it comes time to swap cams and such.

[Colossus]

Please explain one at the front and one at the back. Do you mean one in front of the other? Thats how the 4v has been done up to the 5.0 and is probably how the 5.0 is as well.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/pontisteve/Engineteardown021.jpg

[Fastbird]

I know on some of the exploders there was a timing chain for one head on the front and for the other head on the back of the motor. CRAZY setup.

[Fixxer99TA]

Forged Powdered rods? Interesting. I thought it was one or the other.

The one I've got to kind of disagree with is is being over 100% VE. A N/A motor simply can't go above 100% VE. Think of VE as the percentage of the amount of atmosphere you're bringing into the motor that's being used. How it's going to use more air than it's bringing in is beyond me.

X2 on both the rods/VE, this is what I thought?

Ive been wrong before though...

[joelster]

Forged Powdered rods? Interesting. I thought it was one or the other.
A forging is simply a piece of metal that is pressed or hammered or compacted in some way or another into its final shape. It makes it a little more dense. Maybe they just used powdered metal as the material? I don't know, i'm just going off of the MM+FF website.


The one I've got to kind of disagree with is is being over 100% VE. A N/A motor simply can't go above 100% VE. Think of VE as the percentage of the amount of atmosphere you're bringing into the motor that's being used. How it's going to use more air than it's bringing in is beyond me. My bet would be a scaling trick with the VE tables from the tuning program.
Totally wrong there. Most NASCAR engines can get quite high above 100%. It has alot to do with the speed with which the air enters the cylinder. Even after the cylinder has gone around BDC on the intake stroke and is on its way up the bore, air is still rushing in. That is the sign of an extremely efficient motor. They "jump-start" the charge of air into the cylinder with carefully speced cam timing by using the rushing exhaust gases to generate a low pressure wave in the cylinder. It's called the 5th stroke of the 4 cycle engine. The exhaust-induced intake event. All cams do this with their overlap, some do it a lot better. That is why most engine builders neevr give you their cam specs. There is so much innovation there. But anyways, lots of good motors can hit over 100% without any boost applied.


Impressive motor? Sure. The big questions are going to be reliability over time, and how expensive they're going to be to get to the inside. If they have the dual timing chain setup like some of their other motors did with one at the front and one at the back, look out when it comes time to swap cams and such.
Yes, it will cost a fortune to swap cams out, but do most people really need to? These cars runs 12.30's with drag radials. What do you think they will run with full bolt-ons and a little weight reduction? I'm guessing low 11's.

[mpe331lx]

Last night Evolution made the first ALL MOTOR 10 second pass in one!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c62zJ-4Bo48


It will be a couple years.......but I will eventually get one. I'll just lest someone else take the big hit in depreciation.

[Camaro_94]

^^^ What were the mods? :secret:

[Neil350]

I'm with MPE331LX on buying one used, the 5.0 is an awesome motor, but it's still a Mustang and it's still going to take a hard hit in value. Only thing is, there are certain options I would want, so it would be tough to find a used car with those exact options. Buying used you almost always have to compromise. I want white, brembos, 3.73 gears.