I LOVE MY LT-1 <3

[popo8]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k110/popo08/4-9.jpg




Well she is all ready for the rollers!!!!!!

THIS SUNDAY at 12 noon, it back on the rollers to turn off some dash lites, and get the tune for the new motor complete.....

FINGERS CROSSED!!!!

[BLK95-Z]

Good luck man. What do you think it'll put down?

[popo8]

Hoping for MORE than what it made now....

[bluebird94]

:D

[Toronto_LT1]

what's it making now?mid 500's? well,good luck and keep us posted,popo. oh and get the dynorun on video.
funny pic,btw hahah

[popo8]

what's it making now?mid 500's? well,good luck and keep us posted,popo. oh and get the dynorun on video.
funny pic,btw hahah


I have never been totally honest about my hp (I have always posted about 450ish but your close), but that is simply for internet "car guy" reasons.... I will def get it on video!!!!


ANd the pic is funny thanks to some help from the CAPTAIN!

[Chris]

Ummm Larry, yes is your car even of age to be taking pictures like this? It doesnt matter it has to be a felony =p

[popo8]

opps shes 14

[CamaroGirl]

LOL^^
good for you larry,

[96lt1m6]

The love between man and machine:heart::hail:
Good luck on the rollers!

[popo8]

Here we go.... heading to the dyno.....

[Toronto_LT1]

:metal:

[popo8]

Im back... gonna eat then upload videos....

Made some more power... but Im told the MAF is maxin out.... so Im stuck again.

[AZ2ENVY]

Whats the story on the LT1 Larry ? I know you had a 383 but nothing else past that :( Fill me in please :hail:

[popo8]

Whats the story on the LT1 Larry ? I know you had a 383 but nothing else past that :( Fill me in please :hail:

well it was a 383, after the PARISH motor broke, we went another .10 over (So i guess its a 385 or 388 , not sure). Procharger/Intercooler..... Fully forged internals with 10:1 cr.... 60 lb injectors, Granitelli MAF, ported heads and intake with a 58mm TB... 4.10s with the 10 bolt (TA dif cover) and a trans that was rebuilt (stronger) with the new motor....

I know there is more, because I know I spent alot of money on it (hhaha) ... if there is anything specific, feel free to ask.

[AZ2ENVY]

Sounds like a BEAST :hail: I cant wait for the new numbers ! What H/C combo you runnin ?

[popo8]

We did a total of 5 pulls ....

The 1st one, was not worth filming (actually I was slow with the camera and didnt want to record half way into it)

This is the 2nd pull, which we saw smoke, and wondered what happened so he stopped the pull early....

Soon as we smelled it, we knew exactly what it was..... TIRE SMOKE (haha)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w51N3LAkqYI

[popo8]

Last pull.... made 47 more whp.

Broke up at 4800 and change.... however looking at the maf (however he does that) it maxed out at the same time.....

So thats right, Im making 47hp plus the ###hp it was making, and we cant pull past 4800....

WOO HOO. Im happy, and the tuner wants me to get a DIABLO MASAGER to trick the MAF.... does anyone know anything about them?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE1MmdUddEA

[95formula383lt1]

sounds good congrats on the new numbers!

[popo8]

sounds good congrats on the new numbers!


Thanks man.... and with some instructions from MOEHORSEPOWER, we were able to figure out how to get all but one code gone from the vehicle and toggle off the sensors.... ALL thats left now is, something to do with EVAP..... "purge" something....

[95formula383lt1]

evap whats that lol, none of my cars have it anymore, line an canisters are gone.

[popo8]

evap whats that lol, none of my cars have it anymore, line an canisters are gone.


lol, yeah, I never touched mine at the rear of the car, however, I dont think its hooked up UP front anymore.... IDK anything about that crap.... doh.

[95formula383lt1]

lol just let me know when u wanna remove it completely an i can give u a step by step how to remove it.

[Toronto_LT1]

sounds nasty! how much boost are you running? wouldn't it be better if you switch to SD?
thanks for sharing the video and congrats on the new found power.

[popo8]

Sounds like a BEAST :hail: I cant wait for the new numbers ! What H/C combo you runnin ?

cam , is a custom grind from Parish.... I have specs for it, but no way to know what the truth is about the cam..... And the heads are stock LT1 heads (ported).

[popo8]

sounds nasty! how much boost are you running? wouldn't it be better if you switch to SD?
thanks for sharing the video and congrats on the new found power.


I honestly dont know anything about tunning, however that was an option that MOE had suggested. Im gonna leave it up to the two guys who tune on my car, and see where it goes.....

[95formula383lt1]

SD seems like the way to go with boost

[Badhawk]

Congrats popo on the new found power.

[popo8]

Congrats popo on the new found power.


Thanks Man!!!!

[Huff035]

WOO HOO. Im happy, and the tuner wants me to get a DIABLO MASAGER to trick the MAF.... does anyone know anything about them?



Do you mean a Diablosport MAFia? I have one on my car. I think they are about $150 new, i wasn't aware that they made them for LT1's

[RealQuick]

Do you mean a Diablosport MAFia? I have one on my car. I think they are about $150 new, i wasn't aware that they made them for LT1's

What tires were you running on the dyno?

[popo8]

Do you mean a Diablosport MAFia? I have one on my car. I think they are about $150 new, i wasn't aware that they made them for LT1's


Yes Huff thats what I was talking about, or any of the LIKE units. Why did you need to run it, were you maxing out the MAF???

[Huff035]

Yes Huff thats what I was talking about, or any of the LIKE units. Why did you need to run it, were you maxing out the MAF???


I bought mine before the dyno because I was told that with the port and my pulley combination that I was most likely going to need it. The tuner never actually told me whether or not it would have been maxed out. I can't wait to get my car retuned, I'm not happy at all with this one...

[popo8]

I bought mine before the dyno because I was told that with the port and my pulley combination that I was most likely going to need it. The tuner never actually told me whether or not it would have been maxed out. I can't wait to get my car retuned, I'm not happy at all with this one...


What do you mean your not happy??? not enough power???

[Huff035]

What do you mean your not happy??? not enough power???

Drivability issues. There are times that its not doing what it shoud be doing. As much as I paid I expected it to be spot on and have absolutely no issues. Lets just say I won't ever return to the same guy or ever recommend him to anyone. Alot people on SVTP like him, I'm not joining that crowd...

[popo8]

Drivability issues. There are times that its not doing what it shoud be doing. As much as I paid I expected it to be spot on and have absolutely no issues. Lets just say I won't ever return to the same guy or ever recommend him to anyone. Alot people on SVTP like him, I'm not joining that crowd...


I should put you in touch with my MUSTANG friend... he had the same issues, when they were trying to tune his 2005 Procharged (GT500 replica) and the driveability was garbage... turns out it was the TB that was malfunctioning... I dont know the details, but they replaced it with another stock one... and voila... it was tuneable again, and driveability was great....

[Huff035]

There is someone out your way that I'm taking it to next. Its called SGS automotive, I hear they are great and def, they are located in Dillsburg, PA. know what they are doing. The aftermarket TB sticks some, but thats not really what my issue with it is, I'll end up sending this one back and getting a replacement sometime before the retune anyways.

[QC97Z]

I'm not so sure about a MAF massager, PoPo.
This may be me just being anal, but I'd prefer to not use other aftermarket devices to try to modify signals on other devices...
I was going to go MAF for my setup (and it's more radical than yours), but I talked to some folks at Speed Inc about tuning/dyno. Mine will have to be SD tuned.
I'd rather have a good, solid, drivable tune without a bunch of "band-aid" electronics, but that's just my preference.

[1badeagle]

Congrats on your gains. Do you mind me asking what you have in your setup, money wise??

[popo8]

Congrats on your gains. Do you mind me asking what you have in your setup, money wise??


In the entire car, I figured it out b4 it was like $25000. That was with the initial $4000 purchase price.

As for JUST the motor and the blower, it breaks down kinda funny cuz, I bought one motor, broke it (long story) got a donor car that had the procharger and intercooler and misc stuff on it, then sold the car after I took what I wanted.... etc... so the break down is kinda wierd....

[CALL911]

Popo, I am sorry I didn't read this post earlier. Maxing out the MAF is common when you get to the mid to high 400 RWHP range especially going the FI route. First off, I would reccomend trying 1 of 2 ways. First, the Granetelli MAF's have been known to make bad imputs to the computer and are unreliable. You are better off going with a stock de-screened MAF. That will also max out on you but if you have a competent tuner, they can adjust the tune much better than with the Granetelli.

2nd. I would highly reccomend you go with Bryan Herter from PCM's for less. Bryan is by far the best tuner in the world for LT1 applications, especially for FI LT1's. While tuning my car (which is stock PCM, and descreened stock MAF) he actually started filling in the PE tables after the MAF was maxed out just off the top of his head. Pretty crazy impressive stuff IMO. Mario Andretti has all of his late model Corvette's tuned by Bryan as well if you needed another reference. I think Bryan Herter is even located in PA, so it wouldn't even be much of a drive for you.

On another note of how to help solving your MAF issue, I would reccomend trying this MAF> http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LPE&Product_Code=L480000000&Category_Code=C162

Now, at the time I wanted to save money and I didn't do it. But Bryan Herter was telling me it might allow for more power and be better to tune.

In the end, you really should consider Bryan to take care of your car tuning wise. He's really the best there is.

[popo8]

Thanks man, its funny you talk about Bryan... I actually know him pretty well because he used to have a shop right here in PA, about 5 minutes from my home.... My issue is, is that he is now too far away, and mail order tunes scare me.... I feel as though doing it on the dyno allows me to keep an eye on real time issues... IDK, its my limited knowledge and ignorance to tuning that has got me bound up right here.

[CALL911]

Well, there are basics that aren't that hard to learn, then there is very advanced stuff like trying to tune something that just doesn't have the tuning capability that some of the newer GM cars have. Even if I wanted to get into tuning, the level my car is at (and yours too for that matter) is just way over the top. To the point that many people just can't do a good tune once the MAF maxes out. They say they can, because in the end, they want your money, but trust me, they are setting foot on ground they are not familiar with. I went through that trouble once when my schedule was extremly limited, and Bryan was not available for the small envelope of time I had, and I finally found someone I trusted, but even he admitted he couldn't do some of the things Bryan can.

Tuning (especially on an FI LT1 car with the MAF maxed out) is extra critical. I consider it the single most important final touch to finishing a car. If you don't do it right, it can be anywhere from running like crap, and giving you issues and driveability problems, to simply blowing up.

I agree tuning on the dyno is the only way to go. Bryan can get you a good mail order tune to drive until you get to the dyno (and he will probably deduct the price off the mail order tune in full when you get to the dyno tune). Bryan is worth the drive wherever he is now. I had my car tuned in Sarver PA that wasn't far away from Bryan. You can have him come to you if you ask, and there is a dyno nearby. It's better for him if he has a few people lined up for tuning to make it worth the trip for him. Bryan has came to Indiana before and did "tuning days". I'll bet if you called him he could tell you a good time and place to meet up. Trust me Popo8, the trouble you'll go through to get Bryan tune your car is well worth any hassle or burden you might endure to get your car to him.

If you love you car as much as it shows you do in this pic, then isn't it worth it to get it tuned by the best tuner out there?
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k110/popo08/4-9.jpg

[popo8]

Well, there are basics that aren't that hard to learn, then there is very advanced stuff like trying to tune something that just doesn't have the tuning capability that some of the newer GM cars have. Even if I wanted to get into tuning, the level my car is at (and yours too for that matter) is just way over the top. To the point that many people just can't do a good tune once the MAF maxes out. They say they can, because in the end, they want your money, but trust me, they are setting foot on ground they are not familiar with. I went through that trouble once when my schedule was extremly limited, and Bryan was not available for the small envelope of time I had, and I finally found someone I trusted, but even he admitted he couldn't do some of the things Bryan can.

Tuning (especially on an FI LT1 car with the MAF maxed out) is extra critical. I consider it the single most important final touch to finishing a car. If you don't do it right, it can be anywhere from running like crap, and giving you issues and driveability problems, to simply blowing up.

I agree tuning on the dyno is the only way to go. Bryan can get you a good mail order tune to drive until you get to the dyno (and he will probably deduct the price off the mail order tune in full when you get to the dyno tune). Bryan is worth the drive wherever he is now. I had my car tuned in Sarver PA that wasn't far away from Bryan. You can have him come to you if you ask, and there is a dyno nearby. It's better for him if he has a few people lined up for tuning to make it worth the trip for him. Bryan has came to Indiana before and did "tuning days". I'll bet if you called him he could tell you a good time and place to meet up. Trust me Popo8, the trouble you'll go through to get Bryan tune your car is well worth any hassle or burden you might endure to get your car to him.

If you love you car as much as it shows you do in this pic, then isn't it worth it to get it tuned by the best tuner out there?
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k110/popo08/4-9.jpg

You make excellent points... I guess first thing Im going to have to do is get a hold of a stock maf, just to have it on hand if my granitelli is part of my issue.... I also know that MOE (MOEHORSEPOWER) has offered his services to me, and from some of our discussions he seems very intelligent. I do agree with what you have said, and I do love my LT1... Thank You brotha...

[CALL911]

Getting a stock or LPE MAF just takes you away from the Granatelli's sending bad signals to your PCM. It is still going to max out even with the stock MAF. The LPE MAF is huge, and I can't say for sure it will max out as it is designed specifically for more air flow and NOT to max out, but I have never talked with anyone with one.

The reason so many people go with a SD (Speed Density) tune is because you remove the MAF all together and tune without a Mass Air Sensor. In theory this eliminates the problem with maxing out a MAF, however the car is tuned for the exact atmospheric conditions at the time of the tuning, and has no way to compensate for the atmospheric conditions as they change later (thats what the MAF does). In other words, if it is SD tuned in the mountains on a hot summer day, then you go to a low pressure altitude and the temperature is different, your car is going to try and run the exact same as for the incorrect conditions and in some cases, this could be detromentally bad (although most SD tunes from what I understand just take timing out to play it on the safe side), but then you are simply loosing power. Its a waste.

IMO, people push the SD tunes because they don't know enough about MAF tunes. This is understandable since most people don't know what to do when the MAF is maxed and they invent things like the Diablosport to "trick" the PCM. Its not something you want to be doing. You need someone like Herter to tune the car correctly, not "trick" the car and again try new tuning ideas out on your car.

There is a difference between someone intelligent, and even a very good tuner, and someone who is a good LT1 Forced Induction tuner. I have no doubt that the people at MOE know how to tune cars. But again, LSX cars are a million times easier to tune than old LTX cars. Then throw the giant complexity of the FI and maxing out the MAF on top of it, and you get the point you are at now. You had them put it on the dyno, and you see the results (breaking up at higher RPM's) because they can't compensate for the MAF.

Bryan could have had you 100% dialed in after 2-3 pulls using a stock descreened MAF and no tricks to get it to work.

[popo8]

Getting a stock or LPE MAF just takes you away from the Granatelli's sending bad signals to your PCM. It is still going to max out even with the stock MAF. The LPE MAF is huge, and I can't say for sure it will max out as it is designed specifically for more air flow and NOT to max out, but I have never talked with anyone with one.

The reason so many people go with a SD (Speed Density) tune is because you remove the MAF all together and tune without a Mass Air Sensor. In theory this eliminates the problem with maxing out a MAF, however the car is tuned for the exact atmospheric conditions at the time of the tuning, and has no way to compensate for the atmospheric conditions as they change later (thats what the MAF does). In other words, if it is SD tuned in the mountains on a hot summer day, then you go to a low pressure altitude and the temperature is different, your car is going to try and run the exact same as for the incorrect conditions and in some cases, this could be detromentally bad (although most SD tunes from what I understand just take timing out to play it on the safe side), but then you are simply loosing power. Its a waste.

IMO, people push the SD tunes because they don't know enough about MAF tunes. This is understandable since most people don't know what to do when the MAF is maxed and they invent things like the Diablosport to "trick" the PCM. Its not something you want to be doing. You need someone like Herter to tune the car correctly, not "trick" the car and again try new tuning ideas out on your car.

There is a difference between someone intelligent, and even a very good tuner, and someone who is a good LT1 Forced Induction tuner. I have no doubt that the people at MOE know how to tune cars. But again, LSX cars are a million times easier to tune than old LTX cars. Then throw the giant complexity of the FI and maxing out the MAF on top of it, and you get the point you are at now. You had them put it on the dyno, and you see the results (breaking up at higher RPM's) because they can't compensate for the MAF.

Bryan could have had you 100% dialed in after 2-3 pulls using a stock descreened MAF and no tricks to get it to work.

I'm a proud man, and I never like admitting I DONT KNOW something, however I'm learning alot.... PM sent.

[CALL911]

It takes wise men to admit when they don't know something. I look up to guys like that, and usually look down on the ones that are to stubborn to admit when they are wrong, or don't know something.

There is plenty I don't know, and I will state that openly. There is plenty more I am learning, and would like to learn. But there are some things I do know, and have experience with. I do know who knows there stuff, and I know others who don't when it comes to tuning. Some places are actually honest, and they will straight up tell you the truth when you ask them point blank if they have any experience tuning FI LT1's. But, quite a few more will tell you otherwise to try and get your buisness, and they figure they can "figure it out".

I have seen many more bad tuners out there than good ones. There was a company in Indiana that offered tuning, and did many LSX's around my hometown. But strangely almost every single one had issues, and they would have to go back to them for a "re-tune". I had to ask them, "what the hell is a re-tune?" To me, its either tuned right, or its not. There isn't a need to tune it again once its done. If they didn't do it right the first time, why would you expect it to be done right the second time? Eventually the company lost all its local buisness because enough of them learned their lesson that it takes more than someone who is a smooth talker and a "nice guy" to do tuning. I believe the company is now out of buisness all together.

Again, I am not putting down MOE. For all I know they are a respectable shop. But I can't stress enough how for something like you have, you really need to seek Bryan's help. If it were a normal H/C/I LT1, then there are plenty of people out there that can give you a great tune. But after maxing out the MAF, things get really tricky.

[LT1_Fireman]

I have to give it up to Moe he tuned mine, which maxed the maf out at 4100rpm. His car also maxed out the maf early. I made 707 hp and his car made 702 or so. He definatly knows the ltx pcm and how to tune with a maxed maf.

[LT1_Fireman]

Bryan is a great tunner dont get me wrong, but moe is very good also.

[CALL911]

There is a LOT more than power that goes into a tune. So how is it he compensates for the maxed out MAF? If he is telling popo8 he needs to get software to "trick" the PCM, and he can't compensate for popo8's car as it breaks up at 4,000 something RPM then that tells me he does not compensate, at least properly for a maxed out MAF.

[MoeHorsePower]

There is plenty I don't know, and I will state that openly.

You are trying to give advice but yet state the above.

Again, I am not putting down MOE. For all I know they are a respectable shop. But I can't stress enough how for something like you have, you really need to seek Bryan's help. If it were a normal H/C/I LT1, then there are plenty of people out there that can give you a great tune. But after maxing out the MAF, things get really tricky.

You say you are not putting me down but yet you state this:


There is a LOT more than power that goes into a tune. So how is it he compensates for the maxed out MAF? If he is telling popo8 he needs to get software to "trick" the PCM, and he can't compensate for popo8's car as it breaks up at 4,000 something RPM then that tells me he does not compensate, at least properly for a maxed out MAF.

If you would slow down and "READ" the entire article, I "NEVER" told PoPo that he needed software to try and "trick" the pcm, In fact I told him the complete opposite and "NOT" to get the MAF translator that a competent tuner can adjust for the maf.

You question my ability but yet answer your own question by stating how Bryan tunes F.I. LT1's which is the same way I do.

Every one has their own way of tuning and everyone has their own opinion, Internet tuners seem to think they know more than the GM Engineers that designed the software. I have been running 12+ pounds of boost on a Stock PCM, Stock MAF and a 2 bar for over 10 years, Competent speed shops, people on the internet told me it was impossible but now everyone seems to be doing it. I also tried the Dual MAF setup, I have been doing R&D work for years. If you post someones name, please get all of your facts correct before questioning their abilites. There are many "Competent" tuners out there (Frost, Bryan ect) but someone, somewhere with little to no experience will always post a negative comment. Thanks for your input.

[CALL911]

Never meant any offense to MOE. Sorry

[MoeHorsePower]

Everyone cool in the neighborhood :cool:

[gregrob]

Saying Bryan us the best tune out there is COMPLETELY LAUGHABLE aaahahahahahah. I can't believe someone actually said that out loud.

Ive seen so many hack tunes from him, including the pos that used to be in my car.

I hope pcmforless keeps pumping out the junk tunes I've been seeing lately, it will definitely keep the rest of us in business

[CALL911]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about...

[gregrob]

I know exactly what I'm talking about and I'm FAR from the only one who has seen how terrible his mail order tunes are.

If you want to think he's the best tuner in the world that's cool, we will just have to agree to disagree.

[QC97Z]

Saying Bryan us the best tune out there is COMPLETELY LAUGHABLE aaahahahahahah. I can't believe someone actually said that out loud.

Ive seen so many hack tunes from him, including the pos that used to be in my car.

I hope pcmforless keeps pumping out the junk tunes I've been seeing lately, it will definitely keep the rest of us in business

I hope you realize flaming someone without anything substantial makes you look like a complete fool.

[Badhawk]

I will have to agree with gregrob. I have used his tuning in the past on a couple different combo's and I will have to say I don't believe he is the best tuner out there. There are plenty of qualified tuners out there you just have to do the research and most importantly speak to people that have proven working combo's and make your decision.


Don't get me wrong I don't want to start a thread about bashing Bryan's work but saying he is the best out there is just nonsense.

[CALL911]

I believe Bryan is the best there is because I have yet to meet anyone who can take a car like a FI LT1 that has a maxed out MAF and manually add in PE tables from the top of his head to compensate. The fact that someone like Mario Andretti has Bryan tune all his Corvette's also has to speak for something.

I think most tuners out there can get you the basics done all the same like Ed Wright, Mad Catz, Frost, ect. For basic NA tunes I wouldn't have to go to Bryan, as I feel others could get me a safe tune, but for something difficult like my Z in my sig, there was no other choice.

[Tarheel'Z']

i just read through this thread and wow..the first thing i thought if i didnt know better id say call911 works for pcmforless,,or maybe bryan is call911's brother? I just couldnt justify why else call911 would go through that much effort to make sure every one knew bryan is the best and no one else can tune a fi lt1..hell for all i know maybe he is the best but it was just interesting how strongly call911 felt about it. seems like a very subjective topic, not sure how anyone could say who's best,wonder how many tuners never even tune cars besides their own.if you have someone you trust and he does a good job for you then whats the big deal about him having to be the "BEST" or considered the best?

kinda like when i bragg and say i make the "best" bbq?:)

NO offense meant to any partys involved,just my .02

[CALL911]

As stated in my last post, for almost all tunes, most tuners out there are fine, and can get you what you want. I don't believe many (if any) can do what Bryan does when it gets to a difficult tune as I previously mentioned. I don't have any affiliation with Bryan, and stand to gain zero profit from posting as I did.

I went through a time when I was in need of such a tuner, and after talking with (no kidding) almost 10 different tuners (a lot of them well known tuners), and checking into customers whos cars they had tuned, I learned that few of them had little to no experience in tuning something that was as difficult as my car as it was setup. None of them could compensate for the MAF like Bryan could. In my opinion (at least for FI LT1 cars) that makes Bryan the best tuner out there. I only emphasized it this much because the OP (popo8) was in the exact same boat as I was, only he was running into the situation I know Bryan is an expert on.

[Tarheel'Z']

sounds like hes the best to me,,i mean if he can do what the other 10 tuners cant then he has to be the best,,for my sake i hope hes good with bolt on cars lol,,im just jealous i dont have 600hp fi lt1:(

[CALL911]

Meh...

[bebmotorsports]

just a thought. (probably goin 4bolt LT in my FC (RX7)). I do not have a lot of experience or knowledge on this side of things (domestic). I am NOT a hater however.


You V8 guys seem like you do not give a lot of thought to full standalone management systems. Here we are talking about maxed out MAFs on FI LT1 setups and how to piggy back/trick them, when for around $1100 you can completely get rid of the MAF for a MAP setup that is designed for FI setups. Christ some newer management systems have MAP sensors built into the ECU. THEN.... you would have absolute and complete control over every single input AND output AND not have to ever worry about maxing sensors capabilities. Much more reliable (providing the tuner knows his/her way around the software) IMO.

just something I have noticed while lurking this forum.

[popo8]

just a thought. (probably goin 4bolt LT in my FC (RX7)). I do not have a lot of experience or knowledge on this side of things (domestic). I am NOT a hater however.


You V8 guys seem like you do not give a lot of thought to full standalone management systems. Here we are talking about maxed out MAFs on FI LT1 setups and how to piggy back/trick them, when for around $1100 you can completely get rid of the MAF for a MAP setup that is designed for FI setups. Christ some newer management systems have MAP sensors built into the ECU. THEN.... you would have absolute and complete control over every single input AND output AND not have to ever worry about maxing sensors capabilities. Much more reliable (providing the tuner knows his/her way around the software) IMO.

just something I have noticed while lurking this forum.


WOW.. for only $1100 ??? thats it???? Nah, Im just playing with you, seriously though... 1100 plus More time and headache to start from scratch.... not attractive to me.

[Chris]

Map sensors are the shit :disagree:

[mr maimi]

popo8 whats new i have been gone for a min any new numbers

[popo8]

popo8 whats new i have been gone for a min any new numbers


Nah man.... shes away for the winter after cooking another PCM...... gonna do an opti replacment, and swap the car to OBD I and start from the beginning in spring....