Am i the only one that gets annoyed when ppl talk bad about the lt1?

[95formula383lt1]

Im on a few 4x4 forums, and they all seem to HATE the lt1 motor as soon as someone starts asking about how hard it is to swap (2wd trucks too) they automatically refer to the lt1 as junk or a boat anchor an say it doesn't like mods and stuff. I love any gm product but hate that the ls fam engine gets put up on some crazy high pedestal an the lt1 just get knocked in the dirt. here's a few quotes does this make anyone else a little pissed?

"Lt1 motors are a waste of time.Even when they were new they were junk.The only somewhat decent LT motor was the LT4.Edelbrock use to make a head/cam package called the LT4 but since discontinued it.No disrespect to anyone,but the LT series motors are only good as boat anchors.Look where distributor is located not a great placement in a 4x4.
Now the LS series motors love um.Simple to work on,reliable,& can make massive power out of um.
I really don't know what your looking for.Your last post was on 350 TBI mods now a LTI swap.I'm glad to help you anyway I can but let me Know what your after."

"I have heard the LT1 series of engines can be very difficult/tempermental with tuning when modified, but i could be mistaken. The ecu on the tbi's are also not fond of much modification. Of course you could really run any engine you wanted, it all depends on your budget and how much fabrication you want to do."

"Dollar for dollar, the LS family will give you the best bang for the buck. The old school SBC was a wonderful design, but the LS engines took everything that was great about the SBC and made it better: cathedral port heads, standard 6-bolt-cross-bolted main caps, main-web-breathing holes, ETC. I'm as much of a fan of the old school SBC as the next guy, but let's be honest, ANY engine that is a SBC (including LTx) is still subject to the limitations inherent to the SBC architecture."

"I'm with Mike on this one, if you're going to bother swapping engines, skip the LT1 and go for an LS engine, best bang for the buck."

some of it is true i know but a lot of it gets under my skin im a die hard lt1 lover to many extents so i cant help getting annoyed with it... okay im done ranting

[Dangalla]

too long, did not read

judging from the title - if they wanna hate let em hate

there are better platforms out there, but the lt1 is not bad, consider yourself part of the "in" crowd for realizing its potential

[faust]

its because of these haters, why i still run my boat anchor.

[Fixxer99TA]

Kids on a 4x4 forum hating on the LT1?


Please....


Unless you are driving it through a lake, other than that its fine as any other. And a DO mean a lake.

Id rip each arguement a new hole, but honestly itd be a waste of my time. All you really needed to see was the "LT4 kit was made by Edelbrock". That one quote alone speaks for ALL the quotes you posted, PLUS any multitude of other posts from those sites you could have quoted. My first question to him would be : "How do you explain cars coming from GM with the LT4 kit, and Edelbrock JUST RECENTLY making their own LT4 intake as a result of GM axing theirs?"

[DMBlack]

While I love my LT1 when it comes to my 4x4 vehicles there is no way I would put swap one. I understand that you said you are doing a 2wd truck and that would be a cool swap. My reasoning behind my first statement has to do with the Opti. I couldn't imagine one lasting very long in the damp/dirty conditions I would put it through on the trail. I could imagine some of the guys on a 4x4 forum might have the same thinking.

[Fixxer99TA]

I couldn't imagine one lasting very long in the damp/dirty conditions I would put it through on the trail. I could imagine some of the guys on a 4x4 forum might have the same thinking.

I hear the opti in a bad spot arguement, but most of what they were saying was from a performance/modding aspect.

Arent the trucks we are talking about usually jacked way up anyways? This puts the motor way out of harms way, and if you submerge the opti you arent far from the intake anyways. Now if you plan on burying that truck hood deep in a lake with a snorkel, then yeah Id stay away from an LT.

[95formula383lt1]

the main one is a older guy 44 years old that has the most harsh comments, my argument with them was the opti could be outta the picture an u could put a SBC distributor on it with a carb or TB and it would perform better then the factory sbc that come in these trucks and all for less money then a ls based swap an much easier. I don't think id every try to run the opti on a 4x4 in the Florida mud an water even the motor being high up an lifted it still gets wet an muddy. I pretty much gave up on that thread cuz they are on a LS band wagon an there is no telling them differently i guess. I was just really annoyed an ranting about it. Its obvious there pulling most of there info outta there as when seeing the lt4 edelbrock comment but oo wells screw them.

[Camaro_94]

Anything can be made fast with money. LT1's arent boat anchors. Look at all the fast ones on this site!

Personally I prefer owning my SS over my Formula. Its a day and night difference performance wise with the same exact mods...

You can make more power with the LS1 with less mods too. Cam only cars making 420+whp... And C/H/I LS1's making 500rwhp with a stock bottom end. You cant beat that... But thats not taking away from the LT1's though. They are stout engines. But you WILL NOT see that come from an LT1.

I love LT1's. I plan on owning another one in the future. But I just think the LS motors are a better modding platform for the reasons mentioned above. They respond better to mods. Thats just my $.02. I'm not taking anything away from the LT1's because they can be made fast as well. Look at all the LT1's in the single digits! :hail:

There is also a bigger aftermarker part selection for the LS motors. But nothing beats the sound of a built LT1!

[Camaro_94]

And 1 more thing on the tuning... Tuning was a huge issue that held me back with my Formula. Did anyone ever see the dyno graph for it? It was dieing for a tune! And I didnt have anyone local (or within 300 miles that was well known and I could get a reference from!). My closest option that I would have trusted was Speed inc! Heres what my dyno looked like:

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss268/mikesperformanceautodetailing/Formula/FORMULADYNO046.jpg

The shop that I used to work for mainly dealt with the LS motors and couldnt tune them. I prefer dyno tuning over mail order tuning as well.

[Fixxer99TA]

my argument with them was the opti could be outta the picture an u could put a SBC distributor on it with a carb or TB and it would perform better then the factory sbc that come in these trucks and all for less money then a ls based swap an much easier.

Good point, that would solve most of the water related problem for an offroad application.

Other than that, I cant hate on either. LT1/LS1 are both great engines from GM. You obviously will see more out of an LS1 for less, but its not like you cant get there with the LT.

[TA the destroyer]

i love my LT1 to death and would never trade it for a LS1. besides LT1s where not made to be put in jeeps in the frist place, and they already lost the argument by putting a GM motor in a jeep. that tells you right their that jeep makes crap of an engine! so they have no room to talk. and the LS is new technology it should be better cause if it wasnt then GM would be outta buiness.

im my opinion LT1s sound soo much better then LS engines, and stock for stock show me an LS that can make over 300ft lbs of TQ at 1000 rpms....... to me that make a way funner street car.

[Neil350]

I personaly DGAF what any one on the internet cares or thinks about an LT1. My money and my car, not theirs, they dont like it, eat a dick.

[Camaro_94]

im my opinion LT1s sound soo much better then LS engines, and stock for stock show me an LS that can make over 300ft lbs of TQ at 1000 rpms....... to me that make a way funner street car.

You're kidding... Right?

My Formula with full exhaust and CAI made 290rwtq....

[5POINT7]

I personaly DGAF what any one on the internet cares or thinks about an LT1. My money and my car, not theirs, they dont like it, eat a dick.well said....

[95formula383lt1]

its nice to hear other ppls opinions on it, i like the way u think neil350 lol. its a 88-98 Chevy Truck forum an the thread is about swapping out a v6 or 305 for a lt1 engine.

[Fixxer99TA]

Neil has it very right.

[BLK95-Z]

Let them think whatever they want :devil:

[TA the destroyer]

You're kidding... Right?

My Formula with full exhaust and CAI made 290rwtq....
CRANK HP, better now

[SexyTransAm]

people not knowing much bout the lt1 and thinking they r slow as shit makes it easy to make money. hell i made $100 because of one guys ignorance! so let em hate!

[IronOutlaw]

I was talking to an old hot rodder a while back and all he had to say was
"do you see what guys are doing with those cars now. I'm talking about pulling the front tires up And shit. "

I live in mustang country so a fast lt1 car is a rare and exciting sight.

[jaysz2893]

You're kidding... Right?

My Formula with full exhaust and CAI made 290rwtq....

um my car made 350 rwtq @ 3500 - 4000 rpm full exhaust / ram air. It is poorly mail order tuned (for now)
/hijack

On topic- I dont understand the "hatetred" for a damn motor. I have owned all kinds, and still do (MOPAR slant 6, GM Air Cooled boxer 6, BBC, SBC, Mitsubishi turbo 4, etc...) ANd thay all have thier problems, hence why newer versions are developed. I love the LT1 for what it is. IT was a the time very advanced. I was racing a BBC back in 92-93 whan the LT1 hit. I remember seeing them at the track running mid and low 13's in vettes with little mods and good drivers. I was impressed. I agree that by today's standards they are "old tech" they are about 18 years old now. The ls has its advantages too. I may put one in my 56 chevy. I just chalk all the BS up to the "internet tough guy" syndrome. I dont ever remember in all my racing and car moddindg day BEFORE the interwez(yes I remeber a time without the internet!! LOL) all this "talk" I mean there was always the GM vs ford vs mopar debate, but non of this crap i see today. Hell i cant go anywhere in the camaro with out some one saying "oh its just a LT1."

[HoLLo]

No disrespect, but I think it's so funny how people are so madly in love with their LT1 and defend it versus the LS1. I've owned both, and the whole 2 years of owning my 97 I couldn't wait to get my ass into an LS1 car. Everyone who says they love it and will never give it up, is because it's all you got and you are now attached or have never driven a similar modded LS1 to see the light. Get real.

On the other hand, the LT1 still is a good motor, fuck its better than the old carbed 350, and they can be bought cheap as hell now! The funny thing is, when I get my 95 V6 Firebird back here with me. I want a big fuckin 383 LT1 in it, don't ask why, I just have a craving for the torque that motor would have, and just to have 2 different motors for the hell of it.

[Captain Dirtymax]

my friends BF said that exact thing jaysz: "it's just an LT1". he an i then raced, and a put 5 cars on him. he thought his '07 Civic SI was fast lol

also, an LT1 car will have an easier time on an auto-x course. peak tq way they hell down low for getting out of the corners :D

[TA the destroyer]

LT1s still sound better:finger:

[Z28pr0jekt]

No disrespect, but I think it's so funny how people are so madly in love with their LT1 and defend it versus the LS1. I've owned both, and the whole 2 years of owning my 97 I couldn't wait to get my ass into an LS1 car. Everyone who says they love it and will never give it up, is because it's all you got and you are now attached or have never driven a similar modded LS1 to see the light. Get real.

On the other hand, the LT1 still is a good motor, fuck its better than the old carbed 350, and they can be bought cheap as hell now! The funny thing is, when I get my 95 V6 Firebird back here with me. I want a big fuckin 383 LT1 in it, don't ask why, I just have a craving for the torque that motor would have, and just to have 2 different motors for the hell of it.
Completely incorrect. I could have an LS1, I have driven LS1s (including vettes) and I still love and will ALWAYS have my LT1 as a lifelong project car. No need at all to say shit like get real. Just because YOU couldn't wait to get into an LS1 does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

The only way I would ever give up my car is if my family had a tragic accident and we somehow needed a quick 5gs as that's all I feel I would ever get unless I parted out the turbo kit and motor separately. I can't ever see myself needing 5 grand that much except in a situation such as that. And mind you I have another car if that ever happened.

[95formula383lt1]

ive raced ls1 ive beat ls1s, ive ridden in ls1/ls2/ls6s head an cam ls1s bolt on cars blah blah. and yet ill still never own a LS Fbody. I Love my lt1 i love the way it sounds i love the way it performs an yet never lets me down. I even put swapped a lt1 into a 98-02 fbody that should say a lot. Now i do agree in a few aspects with the 4x4 guys that the 6.0 lQ4/9 would be better suited in truck. But stuff a carb intake and distributor on the lt1 an get rid of the Opti and it would be a hell of a monster in the mud an reliable as a sbc could be.

[BLK95-Z]

Completely incorrect. I could have an LS1, I have driven LS1s (including vettes) and I still love and will ALWAYS have my LT1 as a lifelong project car. No need at all to say shit like get real. Just because YOU couldn't wait to get into an LS1 does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

The only way I would ever give up my car is if my family had a tragic accident and we somehow needed a quick 5gs as that's all I feel I would ever get unless I parted out the turbo kit and motor separately. I can't ever see myself needing 5 grand that much except in a situation such as that. And mind you I have another car if that ever happened.

X2....couldnt have said it better. I could be driving whatever I want, I love the LT1. Im not one of those people who jump off the bridge just like everyone else, I like doing something different.

[Joker Z28]

The few, the proud the crazy LT1 owners :devil:

[Camaro_94]

I hate it when people put the engines down too... I love Call911's Z28. Probibly my favorite LT1 powered car ever.

LT1's can be made very fast. If people cant realize that, their opinion shouldnt mean anything. There are pleanty of them in the 11's, 10's, and single digits. To me, thats impressive.

I personally prefer my LS1 powered vehicle over my LT1. Thats just me. I still have a lot of love for both, and want to own a built LT1 in the future. I just like switching vehicles... And needed to try something new.

[Fixxer99TA]

Completely incorrect. I could have an LS1, I have driven LS1s (including vettes) and I still love and will ALWAYS have my LT1 as a lifelong project car. No need at all to say shit like get real. Just because YOU couldn't wait to get into an LS1 does not mean everyone else feels the same way.

The only way I would ever give up my car is if my family had a tragic accident and we somehow needed a quick 5gs as that's all I feel I would ever get unless I parted out the turbo kit and motor separately. I can't ever see myself needing 5 grand that much except in a situation such as that. And mind you I have another car if that ever happened.

Agreed, I had an LS1 at one point and will (at some point) again. Mine was only bolt ons of course, a little like my Firehawk right now but not as modded in the suspension/engine department. I will always have the LT1 and it would never be sold to buy said LS1. Its a lifelong project, like Z28 said, and would never be sold. Hell, I got offered 15k in 2005 for my current Firehawk right in front of a White Hen when I was getting something to drink. The guy wasnt just some asshole who was joking around either, I couldent get away from him when I said no. Thats more than I bought the T/A for in 2002.

On the other hand, thats no bash on the LS1. But I just dont understand the "attached" and "all you have" arguement when I could have any of said cars right now. If I found another LT1 Hawk while shopping for said LS1, I would most likely take the Hawk first. Maybe its my thing for Firehawk/SS cars??

[5POINT7]

No disrespect, but I think it's so funny how people are so madly in love with their LT1 and defend it versus the LS1.If they didn't look down on the LT1, we wouldn't have to defend it, now would we? I think its funny how the LS1 owners think that they have the best and only motor that responds well to mods. :laugh:
I've owned both, and the whole 2 years of owning my 97 I couldn't wait to get my ass into an LS1 car. :claps: congrats....on what you like and what you want to drive.


Everyone who says they love it and will never give it up, is because it's all you got and you are now attached or have never driven a similar modded LS1 to see the light. Get real.It's all I got!!! :rolleyes: Ha, you need to get real, I could have an LS1 car tomorrow if I wanted, but it's people like you that makes me keep my LT1, btw I've driven stock and modded LS1's before, still prefer the LT1. :peace2:

[Colossus]

First of all, the cathedral port head isn't that great. Look at the LS7. Big rectangle ports on the intake and big D shaped on the exhaust. Look familiar?

Second, to suggest an LS1 can't do 300 ft lbs all the time is ludicrous. I made the same torque in my 94 as my friend did in his 02 WS.6, except he was stock. And I was damn near full bolt on. I had a much flatter curve, but he never dipped below 300 either. Stock. Rear wheel torque, not flywheel. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I too was the die hard LT1 guy. But the Opti pissed me off one too many times. I hated running down miss fire. It was ridiculous. So I went out and got an LS1. My 94 Z28 made 283 rwhp and 323 ft lbs corrected and 290 hp and 330 ft ltbs uncorrected with no tune. My LS1 corrected made 353 rwhp and 366 rwtq untuned. Same mods. Granted the 94 was pig rich and I was told could have gained 20-25 easy with a tune and the LS1 had a decent air fuel it still could have seen at least 10. So theres not much debate there. I'm very happy with the LS1. Better mpg too.

I may one day get another LT1, but I will be getting rid of the opti.

[popo8]

My 2cents....


Isnt this an LT1, LT4 based site.... isnt the LTX what brought us all here.... why is anyone on this site, not putting the LTX motor first......

[~chipsahoy~]

Just to elaborate a little on Popo's post: If you don't like the LTX, then don't visit this site. Seems pretty simple to me.

[Colossus]

GTFO, I have both, lol.

[Chris]

This thread is stupid, We all know that a 6bolt dsm is the way to go. We are all just driving lt1's till we can afford them .







All in All, I would have been ls if it wasnt for the car I have now, I was going to 5.3 swap a vert but that was just because you can find 5.3' dirt cheap. And I was having a hard time finding a clean lt1

[popo8]

Just to elaborate a little on Popo's post: If you don't like the LTX, then don't visit this site. Seems pretty simple to me.

Thank You.

[SexyTransAm]

LTX all the way!!! if ya dont like it there is another tech u can go to so GTFO. i could have a LS1 car any day i want to go get one. but everyone and their brother has one. i like being the one person round my town with a fast LT1.

[popo8]

I wouldnt say the "GTFO" thing, not to sound like a puss, but I can honestly tell you that was once said to me, and it bothered me. However I am 100% a supporter to the feeling of, if you dont have anything good to say about the LTX, then maybe its not the right forum for those specific individuals...

Its like this.... if you pull up to a used car lot, and there are two identical camaros... one LTX powered and one LSX powered with the same mods, and same mileage and same price... if the LTX powered one is not your "chubby maker", then why be here...?

Thats all....

[HoLLo]

Jeez. We get kicked out if we don't bow to the LT1? Ouch..

LTX camaro's give me more chubby's anyway. Judging the looks department. So I can't debate that. TA's on the other hand.. well.. you catch my drift..

I remember the day I first changed my spark plugs and wires after I swapped an 00 LS1 into my 97, I was praising how much it was worth the money and trouble of the motor swap just for fuckin changing plugs/wires lol..

I'll still have a big ass LTX somewhere down the road, maybe in something unique..

You can always have the best of two worlds.. Man I miss that car :(
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/9872263694.jpg?1244609522

[jaysz2893]

This thread is stupid, We all know that a 6bolt dsm is the way to go.

had one, too much boost will still take out a main.

[Colossus]

Okay, first of all, the GTFO thing was a joke. I've been on this site a long time and don't plan on leaving. Its been very helpful and helped me do some things to my 94 I would have NEVER thought of doing myself. In fact, Popo, I talked to you about some suspention stuff right after you joined trying to help you out. I don't know what you did with what we talked about but I tried anyway. Point being I think this is the best place to be on the net if you like the LT1. And I will always have a soft spot for them in my heart. I don't forsee me DD'in one with an Opti though ever again. But thats just how I feel. There is nothing wrong with an opinion. To specify I don't think the thing is a boat anchor. I love them and will mess with one again one day. The 93 and 94 were great learning experiences that will translate to an even faster LT1 someday. In the mean time the 94 is for sale because I can't afford both cars.

[bluebird94]

meh, LS1s are boring.

[Colossus]

To each their own.

[popo8]

Okay, first of all, the GTFO thing was a joke. I've been on this site a long time and don't plan on leaving. Its been very helpful and helped me do some things to my 94 I would have NEVER thought of doing myself. In fact, Popo, I talked to you about some suspention stuff right after you joined trying to help you out. I don't know what you did with what we talked about but I tried anyway. Point being I think this is the best place to be on the net if you like the LT1. And I will always have a soft spot for them in my heart. I don't forsee me DD'in one with an Opti though ever again. But thats just how I feel. There is nothing wrong with an opinion. To specify I don't think the thing is a boat anchor. I love them and will mess with one again one day. The 93 and 94 were great learning experiences that will translate to an even faster LT1 someday. In the mean time the 94 is for sale because I can't afford both cars.


oh I wasnt giving you shit man... I appologize if it came off that way.... I was refrencing something that happened to me from another incident, and I thought it was harsh to say that... if someone else wanted to say it, its fine with me... it was just my opinion... and being that it was a joke, no harm no foul... again... no bs intended....

[LT1RUNNER]

You know I hear this alot and it's usually people who don't know the LT1. 1 time this guy had a camaro which was the same year as mine in my firends shop so another friend of mine asked him if he ever saw a black Camaro sitting on c5 rims. The guy said yea and that he raced AND BEAT me. He must have been talking about another Camaro cause that wasn't me. Anyway my friend said there was no way it was my Camaro because he knows my sh*t is fast as hell. Even the guy in the shop said no way because he knows whats in my car. Again most people say that cause they don't know anything about the LT1. Yea the LS may have an advantage but if you have $$ then any car can be fasy as hell.

[jaysz2893]

well right now i HATE my LT1. I put in new injectors and it looks like the ECM took a crap. WTF is this crap. I am gonna buy a LSx. :D

[95formula383lt1]

mine hates me, i sold the old heart an didn't give it a new one yet. I miss it drove a friends TA up the road today an reminded me how much i hate letting it sit...

[Colossus]

10-4 Popo. Sorry if I got a little uppidy, lol.

I guess after 7 years the problems of older cars started getting to me. Thats why I switched up... now my LS1 will be getting old sooner than I want it too... 2010 SS perhaps? :devil:

[Fixxer99TA]

2010 SS perhaps? :devil:

It would be a nice choice, been seeing alot of new Camaros lately. Especially black ones.

[Chris]

The only time I laugh is when other cars think or say they can take me in the twisties . :finger: Coil overs, full suspension. Haha I dont care if you are 1k pounds lighter than me. Ill still be on your bumper the whole time. My previous car was all stock suspension and I pushed it to the limit of wrecking it a few times. Now with the current set up bigger brakes coil overs sway bars etc , It makes that previous limit a walk in the park

[mrbadlt1]

they are just dumb rednecks that think a goo ol' tree fity wit some thrush mufflers is the baddest thing ever

[Fixxer99TA]

The only time I laugh is when other cars think or say they can take me in the twisties . :finger: Coil overs, full suspension. Haha I dont care if you are 1k pounds lighter than me. Ill still be on your bumper the whole time. My previous car was all stock suspension and I pushed it to the limit of wrecking it a few times. Now with the current set up bigger brakes coil overs sway bars etc , It makes that previous limit a walk in the park

Had this happen so many times.

Not once was one able to get away/gain :D

[Captain Dirtymax]

The only time I laugh is when other cars think or say they can take me in the twisties . :finger: Coil overs, full suspension. Haha I dont care if you are 1k pounds lighter than me. Ill still be on your bumper the whole time. My previous car was all stock suspension and I pushed it to the limit of wrecking it a few times. Now with the current set up bigger brakes coil overs sway bars etc , It makes that previous limit a walk in the park

i did that with my old 3rd gen. 3.1 v6/auto car and i still beat on cars two classes above me in auto-x races:devil: i'll have to find my time list for one event where i was almost faster than a turbo 3.8 4th gen:finger:

[bootsy crouton]

You are all wrong.


2JZ pwnz you all.

/debate.

[Colossus]

3850

[Colossus]

It would be a nice choice, been seeing alot of new Camaros lately. Especially black ones.


I'm thinking Cyber Grey with blue stripes, Black with orange stripes, Imperial Blue with white stripes, or Inferno Orange with black stripes.

[Captain Dirtymax]

how about Cyber Grey with a 106???:devil:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/1990CamaroRS/292246540.jpg

[mrbadlt1]

how about Cyber Grey with a 106???:devil:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/1990CamaroRS/292246540.jpg

pure sex :hail::hail::hail:

[Bowtie4Life]

:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool: