Tunerpro RT V5 Beta - All in 1 datalogger / tuner

[gregrob]

Well I got this up and working guys. To clarify yes it DOES work with LT1's....

No more need to pay for datamaster, or put up with freescans hard to read and clunky interface anymore!

Tunerpro RT V5 is the answer. It's a fully customizable datalogging and tuning solution ALL IN ONE and it's free! Donate if you like is $30 and will remove the 10 sec startup delay screen.

Here's a screen shot of a custom dash board I created to use when tuning. There are some other much cooler ones out there, but this is my first attempt and displays all the data I need for tuning. The built in scaling and display functions are better than Tunercats IMO and I haven't found anything yet that Tunerpro cant do that TC can. If I run across it I can use TC for that one thing, but so far I plan on using Tunerpro from now on.

I'll post a few screen shots actually so you can see some of the new features of V5...

Forgive the quality, uploading them to FB degrades it quite a bit, rest assured the program looks great in person, no fuzzy or hard to read labels, etc...

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs490.snc3/26773_373343177337_572657337_3742357_525633_n.jpg

Instead of attaching them all, here's the link to my FB album:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3742357&id=572657337


and here's a little video I made up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhquPRMB6pQ&fmt=6

[Joker Z28]

Of course this comes out after I get a tune and spend like 300 bucks for JETs DST.
But then again I do need a datalogger...

[Joker Z28]

This works with obd2 as well?

[ws6nighthawk]

all we have to do is give you 30.00 and you will send us a disk to load on a laptop?

[gregrob]

This works with obd2 as well?

Not to my knowledge, only OBD-I, for GM at least.

[gregrob]

all we have to do is give you 30.00 and you will send us a disk to load on a laptop?

It's not me, Mark Mansur is the man who created it and owns the rights to the software. I'm just a happy user :D

To answer your question though, theres no disk. You just go to the website www.tunerpro.net and register it if you want to remove the startup screen.

[Z28pr0jekt]

hm so this does or doesn't work on 93s

[gregrob]

It will work fine with a 93, you just need a burner, or an ostrich emulator.

That's the cool thing about the 93 is you can do real time tuning (emulation) with this program which means you can make actual tuning changes on the fly.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Yea I have a burner, no ostrich though.

I downloaded it and tried loading some of my bins. It loads fine and most of the info is there but all the data under "functions" like my pe tables and stuff are all valued at 0. It's like it's not loading the entire bin

[gregrob]

Did you load the correct definition file?

[Z28pr0jekt]

yes DA3 straight from the tunerpro website

[gregrob]

Strange, it should work. Shoot me a 93 bin and I'll see if it works on mine. I have both the old and new versions.

gregrob20@msn.com

[mmd8x28]

They're latest no longer works with my laptop, I get an IO.SYS error of a sorts. :(

I used to use it though religiously.

[Z28pr0jekt]

just sent 2 93 files from my yahoo account

[Z28pr0jekt]

i loaded the definition and bin that comes with tunerpro and i noticed that on the 93 files they come up as "functions" instead of "tables" which they are definitely supposed to be tables

[gregrob]

Ok, same thing is happening with me. I used the DA3 definition file in the original version of Tunerpro and it works fine. Shows the tables just like they should be so it seems it's not a problem with the definition file but something specific to V5. I'll do some digging and see what I find.

[Z28pr0jekt]

ok I noticed that you can send bugs straight to the creator from his website... do you want to do that or want me to?

[gregrob]

I couldn't find any talk of it not working with V5 so I sent Mark an email, we'll see if he gets back to me.

You could always use the current (non-beta) version of RT to tune with until this gets fixed. I'd be curious to see if the data acquisition side of V5 works for you or not.

[mmd8x28]

I've used the logging with V5 and a 93 LT1, it works, but strange and uncategorized. It also can't clear PCM codes.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Well the car isn't together yet, so it'll have to wait.. was just seeing for future reference, I'm in no rush

[mmd8x28]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR2pJjqGriI

I took this when I was on the stock GM tune..

[gregrob]

Cool, maybe they'll have it worked out by then

[Fastbird]

That's the cool thing about the 93 is you can do real time tuning (emulation) with this program which means you can make actual tuning changes on the fly.

Note of caution here: 93 ECM's do NOT like being tuned on the fly. There's a little resistor in them that overloads in there and bricks the ECM for approx 15-30 minutes when it goes. Learned this while working with Alvin from PCMForLess on one of my 93's at the time.

[1badz]

This is pretty interesting!

[Z28pr0jekt]

Note of caution here: 93 ECM's do NOT like being tuned on the fly. There's a little resistor in them that overloads in there and bricks the ECM for approx 15-30 minutes when it goes. Learned this while working with Alvin from PCMForLess on one of my 93's at the time.
I talked to alvin a few months back and he said he hasn't had any problems lately real time tuning them.

What were you using when it happened?

[Fastbird]

I talked to alvin a few months back and he said he hasn't had any problems lately real time tuning them.

What were you using when it happened?

Shit you would ask me that. I want to say that Alvin was using a Moates Roadrunner emulator piggybacked on Tunercats RT at the time.......but I can't be sure. This was about 4-5 years ago now. It's quite possible that technology has been more kind to the 93's stuff since then. :D

[Z28pr0jekt]

Haha damn you.. remember such things :-P

I think it was the ostrich that he says he hasn't had any lockup problems with

[1badz]

I'm having trouble setting up my dash. It only shows one gauge instead of the 4 I made.. How do I do this?

[gregrob]

Ryan, I been emailing Mark about the problem and hes working on it. He fixed the tables being called "functions" and not all showing up.

I just opened the stock 93 bin you sent me and the tables display fine and look to be all there.

Problem is, its still showing zeros for the values, so I'll see what he says about that.

1badz, you probably have that one gauge covering the whole dashboard, make it smaller and you should be able to see both of them :)

For positions do Top 0 left 0 bottom 50 right 50 on one gauge, then the other do Top 0 Left 50 bottom 50 right 100 and you should see gauges, covering the top half of the screen, beside each other.

The 2 more for the bottom would be top 50 left 0 bottom 100 right 50 and top 50 left 50 bottom 100 right 100, and so on. :)

[gregrob]

I threw my dashboard up here for you guys just getting started. http://forddieselpower.com/grfiles/nightdash.txt

Download that text file and there is code for 2 dashboards in there. You will need to edit your EE_Manual.adx or EE_Auto.adx files (which ever you have) to install this.

Open the .adx file with notepad.

If you have already created a dashboard, right after </ADXHEADER> you will see <ADXDASHBOARD> followed by a bunch of code.

If you already have a dashboard and want to use the ones from the text file you have downloaded, simply paste the code between the <ADXDASHBOARD></ADXDASHBOARD> tags. DO NOT paste the entire thing in there because there then be two sets of opening and closing tags and could cause problems.

If you do not currently have any gauges added to the dashboard. Simply copy on of the ones from the text file including the <ADXDASHBOARD></ADXDASHBOARD> tags, and paste it directly below </ADXHEADER>

There are two on the text file, the first one has a coolant temp gauge, the second one replaces the coolant temp gauge and makes it a Power Enrichment mode status indicator.

Then to see the dashboard AFTER you have it pasted into the adx file, you will need to save the .adx file you just edited in notepad then go to tunerpro and go to Acquisition > Load Definition File then navigate to the EE_Manual.adx or EE_Auto.adx file you just edited and select it.

Now when you want to EDIT the gauges on your existing dashboard, go to Acquisition > Edit Definition > Dashboards > Select the dashboard you want to edit (you can have multiple) in this case it will be called "NIGHTDASH".

Let me know if you have requests for custom dashboards and I'll see what I can do.

[Z28pr0jekt]

Thanks :) when it's all figured out let me know.

[Ryan Stout]

Will this work on 95s? I'm sure the RT function won't but will it let me tune? I have tunercats now and don't like it.

[gregrob]

Yes it will

[proace4]

i'm so confused with this program.. lol i know how to use datamaster but i like the idea of this one.

1. i downloaded it and i have an akm usb to obd1 cable.
2. i start the program but i get nothing... just like a home screen with nothing reading.
3. man please help me figure out where to get things at least in monitor mode! lol its driving me nuts...

[gregrob]

Have you loaded the adx and bin definition files?

[1badz]

I uploaded your "NIGHTDASH". Thanks for the help!


Quick question: How do I find out injector duty cycle through this program?

[cls-chicago]

i dont see v5 on there? also , of course right after i buy tuner cats etc...

[will.i.am]

i dont see v5 on there? also , of course right after i buy tuner cats etc...

On the main page there's a link for it

http://www.tunerpro.net/beta/tpbeta.htm

[Adam96Z]

Does this have a tool to upload the comnpleted BIN file to the PCM, or do you still need tunercats for that?

[1963SS]

I didn't see a file for a 95 Vette. What would you recommend? Thanks --Bill--

[gregrob]

The EE definition file should work for vettes. The parameters are in the program for it (oil temp etc)

And no there's no flash program. You still need winflash or similar. Only 20 bucks and you can trick it and use the trial version forever

[Adam96Z]

Is there any way to save the info I want to export from logs? It is a bit of a pain to go through all 300+ items logged to pick out the 10-15 I want to view. Not complaining about it, just would be nice to export only the info in the dash.

I got my cable last week, and am getting it figured out. Wow, there are a lot more tables than with my last tuner that I used on my Grand Prix.

[gregrob]

Yes you can export the log data to a spreadsheet.

[2fast4u88]

This is my custom dash I did like 3 months ago.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/2fast4u88/tunerpro-1.jpg
If anyone wants it I can post my EE file.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/2fast4u88/tunerpro-1.jpg There is a link to a bigger pic but that is what it looks like full screen

[thejushinator]

First I am new to tuning.

Ok I had J Solomon set up a tune for me car. I plan on taking some timing out to run nitrous at the track.

Ok I loaded the correct XDF file and then I selected Solomon's tune for the bin.

Then all I do is go to Scalars----> Maximum Spark Advance--------> Then take a few degrees of tuning out and then save it.

I would then go to winflash and program my pcm with the new spark advance tune and my nitrous should be good to go. Then when I am leaving the track just go back into Tunerpro RT and put the timing to its orginal value and save it; then program the pcm back. Is that correct??

Also with the J Solomon tune my spark advance is set to 52.

I plan on running a 75 shot and 125 shot.

75 shot bring it down to 49; and 125 shot 47.

Does this look good??

[gregrob]

52? What the hell?

And as far as I know there's no table called "Max spark advance" Post up a screen shot of which table you're working with.

But on all other counts, yes.

You would open the bin file you want to work with, make the changes, save it, load it with winflash.

[gregrob]

This is my custom dash I did like 3 months ago.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/2fast4u88/tunerpro-1.jpg
If anyone wants it I can post my EE file.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/2fast4u88/tunerpro-1.jpg There is a link to a bigger pic but that is what it looks like full screen


Very nice man. I'm gonna have to grab that one and play with it.

[Pro-jection Eng]

52? What the hell?

And as far as I know there's no table called "Max spark advance" Post up a screen shot of which table you're working with.

But on all other counts, yes.

You would open the bin file you want to work with, make the changes, save it, load it with winflash.

he's talking about the scalar menu, or in tuner cat it's in the "constants" table. the one where you adjust the skip shift, egr, fan temps, rev limit, etc.... i've never looked at tunerpro but i think that's what he's talking about.

you need to change your values in the main spark tables, and also datalogging to see what your actual spark value is with the car running because they'll probably be different.

[gregrob]

Ah yes there is a constant for max advance.

The 52 still sounds way off though. I want to see a screen shot of where he sees those numbers.

[thejushinator]

I have included a screen shot of what I was talking about.

Wicked 94Z I have also included a picture of the main spark advance vs RPM vs MAP. Is this the correct location where I should be looking ?? If so how do I go about pulling timing.

Sorry guys like I said I am new to tuning.

[gregrob]

The max spark advance is NOT what you should be changing for nitrous.

That's MAX, like the name implies. Has nothing to do with what the engine is actually seeing at that point in time, as long as the value is less than the max.

If you want to make yourself a nitrous tune, you need to edit the wide open throttle spark tables.

I would edit the 90 - 95 - 100 kpa columns.

The general "rule" is 2 degrees per 50hp of nitrous on a V8, but that's just a rough rule.

Using that though, if you want a 100 shot you would pull 4 degrees from those 3 columns of the table.

The LT1 PCM adds about 3ish degrees at wide open throttle, so you're probably seeing more like 38-39 total on that tune.

Hope that helps.

[Pro-jection Eng]

those are the main spark tables you should be playing with. just thinking off the top of my head there's a spark correction vs coolant temp table, and a spark correction vs IAT table that will add/subtract from those main spark tables depending on the driving conditions. the slider you also pictured limits the total timing that the computer can correct to during these different driving conditions. Honestly... I don't see why you'd ever need more than about 44 degrees of advance anywhere, there's just no point.

Ok lets say you bring the nitrous in at 3200... I'd pull your timing from the 75map x 2800 cell all the way to 100map x 7000 cell. That way it pulls timing a little early, and gives you safety in case you have to peddle it a bit. I'd start with pulling 4 degrees for the 75 shot, save that tune. Then pull 6 degrees for the 125 shot, and save that tune. Make some consistant passes. Throw 1 degree back in it on each tune and see if your mph goes up. If it doesn't increase or you lose mph, back it down to the previous number and have fun. Remember the QUICKEST way to kill a motor on nitrous is to run too much timing, start conservative and work your way up.

[pontiacformula94]

This is my custom dash I did like 3 months ago.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/2fast4u88/tunerpro-1.jpg
If anyone wants it I can post my EE file.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/2fast4u88/tunerpro-1.jpg There is a link to a bigger pic but that is what it looks like full screen


Could you please post your EE file? I would like to use your gauge set up. Thanks!

[twin turbo 383 lt1]

hi i got a 94 camaro with a 383 lt1 with twin t72 turbonectics turbos and a ls1 coil over conversion with close to 1500 hp does any one know where i can get a data logger for my ls1 ecu i seen the one on this threa but i want to know how user friendly it is and what do you need to hook it up to a laptop and how much for the cables and program are to hook it up thanks matt

[2fast4u88]

Yea I can post it up. May take a day to get it posted up.

My tune from solomon had the timing cranked up to like 50 degrees where he said it would help make more power. Along with help with mpg. All it did was make the idle shitty and run pretty bad up top. Where I dropped it to around 40 degrees with pretty good results.

The guy above. This software will never help you as this is obd1. You need something for obd2 which I believe the only choices are hptuners or efilive.

[twin turbo 383 lt1]

thanks alot i will find another datalogger

[Ryan Stout]

Not to interrupt, but how much easier is this to use than tunercats? Datalogging will be done by my LMA3 so I won't be using that function. Just curious.

[22lambo]

What table is the one where I want to change the fuel values? Just double making sure before I break something...

[C_Rules]

i have tunercats and datamaster. how would you guys compare this to those worse equal or better?

[ZGOBYBY]

I downloaded TunerPro RT, and it does not give me the "Acquisition" drop down menu, so I cannot upload the auto_ee file. What is up with that?

[C_Rules]

hey gregrob i used your EE file and my gauge numbers look weird. they aren't spaced correctly and are showing fractionals. any ideas?

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/CHRIST%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.png

[faust]

same here
help lol

[tarheelsoldier]

Read that it can't clear PCM codes... is this true or is there a way to clear them?

[chief455]

i have tunercats and datamaster. how would you guys compare this to those worse equal or better?

Same question here. Looking at buying TC and DM - is this as good and really 'free' as long as you manage to 'flash' the altered tunes into the PCM?

[EagleMark]

Gregbob, First thanks for the work you have done. I have been using tunerPro for a few years and when I bought my first LT1 I remebered this thread.

Anyway I can not get the ADX to work? TPV5 works fine with the XDF and bins. Today, against advice I flashed my 1994 Buick Roadmaster Estate wagon with a 1995 Impala SS bin. Works excellent! But I could not get data on a stock tune or this tune? Data is there just jumping all over weird numbers then correct? Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Only thing differant than what everyone else is doing is I am using a Moates AutoProm. But it always logs and shows data for all other ECMs when switches are set correctly it will only datalog.

And to give back a little I have a thread with about 20 LT1 bin files. Error codes and of course a link here.
http://www.eagle-mark.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=283

[KLaBZ28]

I use TC and DM but had to use dual boot XP on my win7 laptop because it only runs in XP wondering if I should try this and use win7 always no more XP.

[sikfricks]

where you guys getting the cables and what exactly do i need for a 94 z28

[meissen]

Go to aldlcable.com and get an OBD1 cable.

[Dannyac500]

I have the entire LT1 tuning system from Tunercats (program, ecm file, aldl cable & the datamaster program) Just actuall got it all up and changed a few things in the tune and reflashed the ECM. Is this update worth doing? Im running a 96 camaro, changed over to an OBD1 ECM from a 94 t/a. Like i said im very new to tuning and modifying the tables etc in the tunercats software. Is this RT update easier to use? can i still datalog? do i need more stuff to be able to make the switch? Just trying to feel this all out. This threads pretty old by now so you guys should all have some good info/input for me. Thanks in advance!

[miller09]

You will have to change your knock sensor in the block to an obd1 94-95 sensor. You can datalog with tunerpro.

[Dannyac500]

So there is a difference between OBD1 & OBD2 knock sensors? Funny this came up because @ WOT im picking up max knock retard (12). Going to put in a OBD1 sensor and see if its better.Seems like a lot of you like the RT Tuner, id like to get my car ironed out with TC before i take on anything new.Thanks

[sleepy_z]

Ran across this on ls1tech. Is @steveo_ here as well?
http://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/1811886-eehack-free-lt1-flash-tool.html

(EEHack) Free LT1 Flash Tool!
New release of EEHack is ready.

Among other things, I think we can consider this the first release of my FREE LT1 flash tool!

I’ve put a lot of time into this flashing routine, and although I’d not officially recommend it to poor LT1 users that only have one car or one ECM yet (just in case a bug pops up)I think it’s ready for public use. Also, try reading a bin first, before writing your first bin!

About the Flash Routine

This flash tool has a ‘take any long shot to save your ecm’ philosophy to error recovery, which, on any unrecoverable error, tries its best to regain control, erase the chip again, and start over. It also tries to verify your serial connections integrity before even trying to do anything.

It also features single-sided flash, which will flash the e-side or t-side only if desired. It can also conveniently compare your old bin to your new one, to determine which parts need to be flashed. This potentially cuts flash time and risk in half if you’ve only made a small change or two!

This is a big deal to people tuning on a budget, as with a free copy of TunerPRO (Non-RT) and my EEX XDF file, you can have the most advanced tuning and analysis platform for your 94-95 LT1 for only the cost of an ALDL cable (I’m working on making that cheaper too….)

Not 100% sure on this, but perhaps now the 94-95 LT1 is the cheapest GM car to tune EVER!

Wideband Enhancements

This new EEHack release is also important to people with widebands. It has an additional analyzer feature to plot wideband readings in cruising range, a commonly requested feature.

Also has a brand new wideband input on a dedicated pin so you don’t have to use the a/c input hack anymore!

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