buy and install a wideband to tune by - help!

[chief455]

So I'm ready to get scanning and Tunercat and educate myself.
What wideband in car gauge do I need and how does it install?
A link to manufacturers website is fine

I do watch this gauge while logging until optimum AFR and performance are ahcieved-correct?

thanks!

[BLOWNDFIZ]

I have the AEM wideband in the nitrous car, and an Autometer wideband in the blower car. Honestly, if you are tuning without a program that let's you make changes in real time then no you will not be looking at the gauge and tuning. In your case I would think you would wire the wideband into your logging software so that you can review the log and look at your actual A/F vs. commanded A/F. I use DFI on my car so if I'm part throttle tuning I can look at the gauge, make a change on the laptop and move to the next cell. When I'm tuning WOT, I log a run and go back and look at the actual A/F vs. Commanded A/F. There is simply too much going on in the car to tune during a WOT pass. The nitrous car I do use the gauge to fine tune in the Nitrous. I'll make a pass, watch the gauge (it's easier in the N2O car becasue it's an A4) and make a jet change if needed.

Hope this helps.

[chief455]

I have the AEM wideband in the nitrous car, and an Autometer wideband in the blower car. Honestly, if you are tuning without a program that let's you make changes in real time then no you will not be looking at the gauge and tuning. In your case I would think you would wire the wideband into your logging software so that you can review the log and look at your actual A/F vs. commanded A/F. I use DFI on my car so if I'm part throttle tuning I can look at the gauge, make a change on the laptop and move to the next cell. When I'm tuning WOT, I log a run and go back and look at the actual A/F vs. Commanded A/F. There is simply too much going on in the car to tune during a WOT pass. The nitrous car I do use the gauge to fine tune in the Nitrous. I'll make a pass, watch the gauge (it's easier in the N2O car becasue it's an A4) and make a jet change if needed.

Hope this helps.
thanks and it helps but I'm green.
I'd have freescan or scanmaster, Tunercat and a laptop.
last time I tried this it was log while driving, make a WOT pass and go home. not a track tuner - don't have access.
look at the data and make some changes, flash into the car and repeat.
I was thinking just monitor the onboard A/F gauge as a guide that I am not too rich or lean.

so how do I get an onboard gauge, say pillar mount, that I can just watch and "wire into my logging software"?

[Fastbird]

You'll need to find a gauge with a 0-5v output, and a logging program that will accept the input from the WBO2. IIRC Datamaster doesn't (logger of choice IMO).

Innovative Motorsports makes a VERY versitale wide band O2 that's portable, functional, and has multiple outputs to hook up with logging/tuning software. Food for though, you'll probably get a little direction from their website.

[MEAN LT1]

Im actually looking to get the fast single wide band. It does have provisions to hook up with datamaster so that shouldnt be a problem.

www.fuelairspark.com (http://www.fuelairspark.com)

[Chopstix]

The FJO KWB4001 Wideband controller....

http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/catalog/product_details.asp?group=26&model=87&dept=11&product_id=2804

...includes data logging software that can be used with any laptop PC.

It is also direct compatible with the Trick Performance gauges.....

http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/catalog/product_details.asp?group=25&model=117&dept=11&product_id=2887
http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/catalog/product_details.asp?group=25&model=117&dept=11&product_id=2886

[Speed Density]

I have an LC1 with a dynotune gauge. And FWIW, there is a writeup on how to use your A/C pressure sensor as a .5v input to datamaster. Your wideband logs threw datamaster in the AC info box.

Tony.

[Twisted Z]

we have tuned with duel LC-1s permentant installed. I like the Wide Band Commander that I have in my car and We also use a LM-1 in the tail pipe for tuning on the fly.

The AEM has been touch and go in the cars we have them in. The PLX seems to be a decent setup for those who like them.



Over all just having one that works is good ;) One that will log is even beter :D If you are not logging alwats use two people to tune ;)

[Speed Density]

Just make sure you get one that has a free air cailbration, thats what makes widebands accurate :)

[chief455]

we have tuned with duel LC-1s permentant installed. I like the Wide Band Commander that I have in my car and We also use a LM-1 in the tail pipe for tuning on the fly.

The AEM has been touch and go in the cars we have them in. The PLX seems to be a decent setup for those who like them.



Over all just having one that works is good ;) One that will log is even beter :D If you are not logging alwats use two people to tune ;)
Out of the ones you listed - which log?

Just make sure you get one that has a free air cailbration, thats what makes widebands accurate :)
had not seen that in any advertisment ...
I just want a dual sunsor, in car mounted that logs..and I guess will allow me to downlod the log to my laptop.
So I need:
Scanmaster type program to log data minus AFR info
AFR guage to log data and download
Tunercat to be able to make changes based on logged data
Sound right?

Why doesn't someone sell the entire tuning set-up?
AFR sensors with cables up to a USB or plug into another logging cable, OBDI to USB data logging cable(like AKM) that includes AFR feeds, logging/tunning software that reads the previous mentioned sources.
Why scan from here, log from there, AFR log over there and tune way over here???
All from different vendors? ARGH!

[Speed Density]

Guages dont log and download they just display. Usualy the w/b itself does the logging. Most w/b arent just a senosor, its a whole unit. The LC1 is a 4inx2in weather ized unit that has inputs/outputs and has its own software to log other then threw a guage.

[Twisted Z]

Why doesn't someone sell the entire tuning set-up?
AFR sensors with cables up to a USB or plug into another logging cable, OBDI to USB data logging cable(like AKM) that includes AFR feeds, logging/tunning software that reads the previous mentioned sources.
Why scan from here, log from there, AFR log over there and tune way over here???
All from different vendors? ARGH!


Easy answer. No real money in it ;)

You think you have it rough try the OBD-II LT1 stuff LOL!

[chief455]

Guages dont log and download they just display. Usualy the w/b itself does the logging. Most w/b arent just a senosor, its a whole unit. The LC1 is a 4inx2in weather ized unit that has inputs/outputs and has its own software to log other then threw a guage.
ok
so this LM-1 comes from who?
I talked to Innovative Motorsports and he suggested the handheld - SD card holds the logging and read on home PC
I guess I can hook a tach and throttle position sensor feed into it so those are logged along with af/r.
what about the Summit sold dash mount deals - cheap?
by the time I get tuner, scanning and af/r logging ability I'll be over a grand!
And I still won't know how to tune :rolleyes:
wish someone near CT could actually log my driving and tune on the road or dyno
I don't plan on tuning after I'm done...
oh, what to do?

[hyperzone]

FWIW, there is a writeup on how to use your A/C pressure sensor as a .5v input to datamaster. Your wideband logs threw datamaster in the AC info box.

Tony.
Great idea. Heard that before but forgot.

Thread jack :
1) Are there any other semi-useless sensors that read 0-5v that could be used like this as well?
2) Is there any benifit to monitoring with two WB02's (left and right) on a NA car under 400hp?

[Funkybird]

I have the AEM wideband in the nitrous car, and an Autometer wideband in the blower car. Honestly, if you are tuning without a program that let's you make changes in real time then no you will not be looking at the gauge and tuning. In your case I would think you would wire the wideband into your logging software so that you can review the log and look at your actual A/F vs. commanded A/F. I use DFI on my car so if I'm part throttle tuning I can look at the gauge, make a change on the laptop and move to the next cell. When I'm tuning WOT, I log a run and go back and look at the actual A/F vs. Commanded A/F. There is simply too much going on in the car to tune during a WOT pass. The nitrous car I do use the gauge to fine tune in the Nitrous. I'll make a pass, watch the gauge (it's easier in the N2O car becasue it's an A4) and make a jet change if needed.

Hope this helps.

How do you like the autometer wideband? Im shopping for a wideband too and I would like it to match the rest of my gauges.

[Speed Density]

The LM1 is no longer produced, the LM2 although is. That system is a bit overkill for the average street car. The LC1 is a single system/sensor unit that you can use any .5v gauge for a readout.

[chief455]

i got a sweet deal on the AEM controller/gauge with an RS232 cable that will need an end soldered on.
So with one sensor - should I pick a collector or put it into my X-pipe to read both banks?
With Tunercat/Scanmaster I could get the USB end on the OBD cable feed and leave the RS232 port for my gauge - will this work?
When I install the gauge I'll need to leave the 0-5v and RS232 wire ends hanging ready to plug laptop into, right?
sorry guys but until I do this I'm just not grasping the concept - not big on wiring and computer stuff...