If you get hit by a Toyota

[mmd8x28]

I was thinking about this while on the road home from visiting relatives.

If a Toyota hit me, and was making ME go faster, should I hit my brakes and e-brake, or try and steer away? The first thought was steer away, but wouldn't that be like a cop giving me the pit maneuver? if I hit my brakes and e-brake, wouldn't my brakes just burn up like theirs or would the weight of my car also make it harder on their engine to push, thus my brakes actually work? What if they try and steer, then wouldn't that risk both of us going out of control?

Whole reason of this was because of that Prius that a cop slowed down with his cruiser. Thing is, I don't understand the police had him hit e-brake and brakes in tandem then turn off the car, sounds foolish. You loose power steering and power BRAKES. I say, pop it in Neutral and just hit the brakes. Forget the engine if it blowes.. I mean, these people can make a phone call to the cops yet they can't remember what "N" means on their transmission.

[SeanMac]

they were talking on the radio about the shifter not working when these things go possessed either because they aren't cable driven. its all electronic. you would think the key would still work though.

[jaysz2893]

well i had a total engine shut off in my Mitsu and my power steering and brakes sill worked enough to get to the side of the road. I dont believe for a minute the Prius driver was actually doing 90 mph while on the phone and dodging traffic. The car does not make enough torque under power by the gas motor to burn the brakes like the driver said. Anyway all the driver had to do was drop to N and kill the motor like you said. Even if he didnt shut off the car, IIRC the stering is electric and the motor does have a limiter and should not blow. If you see a driver out of control get the hell out of the way. Let the PO-PO do thier job. Toyota will investigate this one for sure. It will proablly come out as a hoax...

[mmd8x28]

I'm talking about IF I don't get out of the way in time. Like, it happens so fast I never saw it happening in the rear view mirror in time.

[jaysz2893]

I'm talking about IF I don't get out of the way in time. Like, it happens so fast I never saw it happening in the rear view mirror in time.
oh, then sue everyone involved. It is the AMERICAN WAY!!

[mmd8x28]

lol i aint like that.

[mmd8x28]

Just had a thought. On these toyotas with problems, the gas pedal is NOTHING more than a potentiometer, right? Or does it still have a mechanical linkage for the throttle blades? For example, my fathers lincoln, it will NOT even rev up if I open the throttle blades myself, because the gas pedal has a TPS sensor on it by itself, not on the throttle body.

So what I'm saying, is, is it only a TPS sensor, and the blades electronically controlled? I'm wondering if the potentiometers are the real failure, as I've heard about "electrical" failures.

[LT1Blackbird]

I mean, these people can make a phone call to the cops yet they can't remember what "N" means on their transmission.

That is one of the problems..."DUH! What's that N mean?"

It's been all over the news...same news agencies that broadcast the problems with these cars also broadcast how deal with it by showing videos and such. Ive seen multiple news videos of them telling people to put it in neutral, stop the vehicle then shut it down.

One thing that made me laugh was the story of the guy in the prius that hit 94mph. My questions is, after how long did it take him to realize what's happening, call 911, get a squad car dispatched to CATCH UP to him and get to him all while this thing has been speeding up and ONLY hit 94! LOL What's the 0-100 time in that thing, 8.7 minutes! HAHA

[jaysz2893]

here is the Performance Specs on a Prius. He was 10 mph off the top speed!! LMAO!!


Performance
0 - 60 mph [sec.]:11.30 - 100 mph [sec.]:39.6Quarter Mile [sec.]:18.3 Top Speed [mph]:104

[Chris]

Just had a thought. On these toyotas with problems, the gas pedal is NOTHING more than a potentiometer, right? Or does it still have a mechanical linkage for the throttle blades? For example, my fathers lincoln, it will NOT even rev up if I open the throttle blades myself, because the gas pedal has a TPS sensor on it by itself, not on the throttle body.

So what I'm saying, is, is it only a TPS sensor, and the blades electronically controlled? I'm wondering if the potentiometers are the real failure, as I've heard about \"electrical\" failures.



The problem is in the Toyota fail safe logic. Toyota uses 2 Tps sensors on the pedal. IF the are shorted together, IE no resistance between the two , Fail safe and many other possibilities. Though with the pedal issue there is corrosion causing resistance in the circuits. Toyota keeps saying that there is not a electrical issue. Though it is in there programming. No buddy seems to understand the logic of no mechanical linkage. So I keep hearing all the ignorant people saying put in park, n turn the car off etc and I have to explain to them what the issue really is and then they go oh? Fuck Toyota then.

When there is resistance inbetween the 2 circuits Toyotas computer does not see a issue , This is where the issue arises in their fail safe programming. Why would you be doing 90 miles an hour on the highway, on the brake pedal and trying to put your car in park and neutral. Id say that is the issue where 100% and 100% are there for more than a few seconds shut her down right? Nope wrong Toyota didnt do this and now that it has been brough to the surface they are going to fight about its not a electrical problem. It may have started as a mechnical issue, though it all comes back to programming . So what I forsee happening is a recall sometime in the future where they quietly try and get the cars back in, Reflash the Pcms and act like that isnt the problem when it truly is.



http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=12031772

[Toronto_LT1]

To make sure Bill Clinton's heart doesn't stop, doctors put in a special pacemaker made by Toyota.

[CamaroGirl]

ow, that was good ^^

[BLK95-Z]

If your 60hp toyota's throttle stucks just open the door and drag your feet.... itll stop :D

No really all jokes aside....you really cant shift this car while its under way? What about if you just turned the key off? Toyota should come out with a video showing everyone the proper way to do an e-brake spin. lol

[Chris]

Nope , Dodge and Gms wont do it either. Most of Toyotas keys are push start as well.



I put my 06' Pacifica in Reverse at 80mph and nothing happened. Its just not logical for the computer to do that ya know

[Captain Dirtymax]

If your 60hp toyota's throttle stucks just open the door and drag your feet.... itll stop :D

No really all jokes aside....you really cant shift this car while its under way? What about if you just turned the key off? Toyota should come out with a video showing everyone the proper way to do an e-brake spin. lol

the problem with the new Toyota's is that there is no physical linkage between the shifter and the tranmission. it's all electronically controlled. so trying to grab neutral won't work, the ECU goes "whao wait WTF are you trying to do??? i'm not gonna let the engine blow up." it's programmed to keep the engine from dieing. plus a lot of newer Toyota's don't even have a regular ignition anymore, it's all push button.

[BLK95-Z]

I put my 06' Pacifica in Reverse at 80mph and nothing happened.

I guess its a good thing nothing happened lmao

[Chris]

Eh teacher did it in his 06 Caliber, and I said are you nuts and he bet me lunch my car wouldnt do it. And if it did its under warranty and we have a factory chyrsler scan tool to clear the data :laugh:

[mrbadlt1]

Just had a thought. On these toyotas with problems, the gas pedal is NOTHING more than a potentiometer, right? Or does it still have a mechanical linkage for the throttle blades? For example, my fathers lincoln, it will NOT even rev up if I open the throttle blades myself, because the gas pedal has a TPS sensor on it by itself, not on the throttle body.

So what I'm saying, is, is it only a TPS sensor, and the blades electronically controlled? I'm wondering if the potentiometers are the real failure, as I've heard about "electrical" failures.

its called "fly by wire" there is a sensor on the pedal to tell the ecu to tell the tps how much to open it