Local law enforcement tailgating

[BLK95-Z]

It happened to me again this morning...I get stuck in the fast lane with cars blocking me and cant get over and Ive got a cop literally 6 inches from my rear bumper. I know he wants me to move because he can see theres nobody in front of me. Im already going 10 over and so is the guy next to me and the guy in front of him....so what do I do? Do you speed up and try to get over breaking the speed limit by 15+, or try to drop back? We were in a pack so I cant just drop back....by this time the 75 mph tailgate has me looking in the mirror and swerving around everywere like Im drunk trying to get out of his way! I finally manage to get over and he floors it past me giving me "the stare". lol. Man why do they gotta do that? I work in downtown Louisville and have about a 11 mile commute in the morning all highway into work. Every morning I see police blowing past me going 25+ mph over the speed limit trying to get downtown to court before 8. I have no problem with this, I understand they are trained to drive fast and have a job to do and are allowed to "speed" to an extent, but why do they have to get RIGHT on your ass when they can clearly go around or can clearly see you cant go anywere?? Its dangerous! My brother is a Sheriff but drives like an old lady so he doesnt know were Im coming from. Let me clarify I have nothing but respect for law enforcement, I considered going into it myself but Im to nice. lol. Does this ever happen to any of you guys?

[Camaro_94]

If they would just train everyone how to speed.... The world would be a better place!

[BLK95TA]

*brake check*

"sorry officer, i thought i saw a dog run out into the road"

[TRIPOD]

I'm guilty of doing it when I'm going on a transport (pick up a prisoner or transporting to the nut house). I know its not right to speed or tailgate, so, please dont bash me. Here is how I see it from my stand point, the car usually is in the left lane driving the same speed as the car in the right lane. I always drive in the left lane with my head lights on. When I get behind the car, if it doesn't eventually pull to the right, I get a little closer (as to say gtf out of the way). At this point I dont care if that car speeds up to triple digits as long as it gets the hell out of my way. Again all I can say is sorry man, I'm not near as bad as I once was doing this, but, still guilty. And, were not suposed to speed either, trust me, I've been pulled over in a marked car before.

[BLK95-Z]

I'm guilty of doing it when I'm going on a transport (pick up a prisoner or transporting to the nut house). I know its not right to speed or tailgate, so, please dont bash me. Here is how I see it from my stand point, the car usually is in the left lane driving the same speed as the car in the right lane. I always drive in the left lane with my head lights on. When I get behind the car, if it doesn't eventually pull to the right, I get a little closer (as to say gtf out of the way). At this point I dont care if that car speeds up to triple digits as long as it gets the hell out of my way. Again all I can say is sorry man, I'm not near as bad as I once was doing this, but, still guilty. And, were not suposed to speed either, trust me, I've been pulled over in a marked car before.

lol Im wouldnt bash you man, I understand and half the time I know the cop is probably thinking I wish this guy would move but you just never know what kind of officer is behind you. Some do it when they dont have to, almost like theyre trying to "pressure" you into a mistake. Im not one of those people who immidiatly slow down to exactly the speed limit and hold anyone up, trust me most of the time I WANNA GET OUT OF THE WAY lol

[popo8]

Ive also caught myself doing this. Sometimes doing it going to a call where I dont wanna run lights or sirens for the element of suprise, or if I wanna catch a car or bike that I think may run, and dont wanna give that vehicle a chance to do it till I can go wot.

Fact of the matter is, no matter what we drive we are all capable of the same human error, however Ive done the deathe stare to and its not right. I catch myself and realize, shit.... im in the cruiser


One other reason is bad eyesight. sometimes at night reading a tag is hard to read so Im pretty damn close. do what you gotta do to get outta the way without being reckless, because you never know if the cops a dick or not, but trust me if we want to get by you, we will lol

[TRIPOD]

Some do it when they dont have to, almost like theyre trying to "pressure" you into a mistake.

Thats very true man. I know of ones that do and I don't think its right to try and pressure someone into a mistake. On the other hand I practice similar trates as popo. I dont have the greatest eye sight and I have to get close to read a tag.

[BLK95-Z]

I didnt think about them reading tags so I can definatly see getting close to do that. Also like Popo said they may be responding to a call that doesnt require lights, BUT some of these guys are obviously abusing there power speeding to court and IMO putting innocent motorist at risk. Even if you arent doing anything wrong when a cop is behind you, especially on your bumper, your nervous (atleast I am). lol

Is that basicly what they tell you guys to do when your out? Just always be running tags or is it just people who catch your eye?

[Camaro_94]

I always get nervous when theres a cop behind me. I dont ever have anything illigal in any of my cars, but still.... Its the fact that theres a police officer behind you and if you make a mistake.. BAM!! Say hello to a ticket!

Its always the worst when you're in the PASSING lane doing 55 because you dont want to speed while a cop is behind you. I always try to switch lanes, but sometimes you just cant without speeding, because the person next to you is doing the speed limit too. I vote for a "10 over in the passing lane" law... Where if you're in the passing lane, you can legally do 10 over (65 in a 55) and not get ticketed for it.

I was pulled over for doing 58 in a 55 on my way to classes last year while a police officer was behind me. It was bad. I didnt know what to do. I kept getting text messages from my friend while I was pulled over who was in class and asking "Where the hell are you!" and "Hurry your ass up! The professor is wondering where the hell you are! (I never missed a class and me and the professor were buds)". All I could say was "I got pulled over for an unknown reason" since I didnt know exactly why I was pulled over as I was sitting on the side of the road.

He let me go with a warning and said I looked suspicious (like I said... I get nervous when theres a police officer behind me) and that was his reasoning.

[96lt1m6]

I recall many times while on my shift, locking in cruise control at 53mph just to watch the huge crowd behind me playing pole position back there! Oh come on don't bash me it's not like i had a ton of fun early morning lol

[Camaro_94]

I recall many times while on my shift, locking in cruise control at 53mph just to watch the huge crowd behind me playing pole position back there! Oh come on don't bash me it's not like i had a ton of fun early morning lol

:laugh:

[BLK95-Z]

I recall many times while on my shift, locking in cruise control at 53mph just to watch the huge crowd behind me playing pole position back there! Oh come on don't bash me it's not like i had a ton of fun early morning lol
:laugh: I knew it! I see them doing that crap to sometimes lol I always wonder what theyre doing riding so slow, nobody likes to pass a cop.

[GreenZ96]

I box tailgaters in, cop or not I fukk with em. If your in that much of a damn hurry you should have left sooner or pick another car to tailgate

[BLK95-Z]

I box tailgaters in, cop or not I fukk with em. If your in that much of a damn hurry you should have left sooner or pick another car to tailgate

hahaha I do to man, well except for cops. Its FUN AS HELL to hold up someone who is in a BIG ass hurry and I used to give a few break checks to sometimes lol. I dont break check people anymore and if I do I just light up the lights to scare them, when I was a stupid kid I would slam on the breaks and depending on were I was Ide come to almost a complete stop. lol Im smart enough now to know that could cause an accident and kill someone, but I dont mind holden them up :D

[GreenZ96]

its really fun when the ruh-tards are riding my ass in the right lane and cant ge over fast enough to the left lane to get around me. I def dont brake check people though, I dont wanna get hit lol

[crows93z]

IEvery morning I see police blowing past me going 25+ mph over the speed limit trying to get downtown to court before 8. I have no problem with this, I understand they are trained to drive fast and have a job to do and are allowed to "speed" to an extent, but why do they have to get RIGHT on your ass when they can clearly go around or can clearly see you cant go anywere?? Its dangerous! My brother is a Sheriff but drives like an old lady so he doesnt know were Im coming from. Let me clarify I have nothing but respect for law enforcement, I considered going into it myself but Im to nice. lol. Does this ever happen to any of you guys?

i don't see how that situation is excusable. why don't they just leave earlier... no reason to tailgate other motorists and potentially cause an accident. if its a real emergency they should turn on their lights so people will get the fuck out of the way.

[5POINT7]

Everyone's guilty of doing it........I do it, if I'm running late, or the person is going to slow in the passing lane.

I also think its great, when people bounce around, behind a cop. Everyone's afraid to pass them.

[popo8]

Everyone's guilty of doing it........I do it, if I'm running late, or the person is going to slow in the passing lane.

I also think its great, when people bounce around, behind a cop. Everyone's afraid to pass them.

it is funny. best thing that ever happened to this job was SUPER TROOPERS and all the cool tricks I learned and have used there

[5POINT7]

it is funny. best thing that ever happened to this job was SUPER TROOPERS and all the cool tricks I learned and have used thereI always wondered what would happen if you pass a cop doing 5 over, on the road. What would happen?? Is it their call, what to do? I never seen anyone do it.

btw, I'm one of those people bouncing around in the back.....lol

[jaysz2893]

i was speeding up RT1 in DE one morning(in the HHR) in the "fast" lane (left most of 3) as I usually do. I was going probally 80+ in a 65. I was passing most people in the other 2 lanes. A Crown Vic came up behind me and started riding my ass. I clicked on the Cruise Control and kept it at about 80. At this point there was no traffic next to me. Instead of passing me the Crown Vic proceeded to push harder. I took a good look in the rear view and i saw some lights sitting on the rear window deck. I figured it was an Unmarked. Before I could get over he finally decided to pass me. He looked over at me and gave me a dirty look and shook his head. Here is where it gets good. He got infront of me and brake checked ME!! WTF!! I blew the horn, he took off lie a bat out of hell. My neighbor works with me and rides with me in the morning, He is a Retired MP. He was pissed more than me. The cop in the unmarked then made the mistake of pulling into the WAWA i go to every moring for my AMP energy drink and Sizzli. We pull in as he was coming out to his car. Before i could turn off the car my neighbor was out of my car and right in this dudes face. I got the plate number and called the POPO. While on the cell phone I got out to hear what was going on. The cop was trying some BS on my neighbor. My neighbor told him to save it for his Supervisor. I was parked behind the unmarked and he tried to get out. By that time another POPO had arrived. I actually got some justice that day. I followed up with the responding officer a few days later. He apologized up and down for the one dudes actions. He assured me that it would not happen again. I have had mainly bad run ins with law enforcment, except for Larry (so far.. lol). I know we are all human, but behind the badge some feel they are "above the law"

[Noah's95z28]

*brake check*

"sorry officer, i thought i saw a dog run out into the road"

Agreed

When I had my pick up and people would tail gate me in town I would drop it down into 3rd and pop the clutch (no brake lights) and slow way down. If they hit me its a grill full of steel DMI bumper so I didnt care plus its there fault for not maintaining a safe distance and going over the speed limit. Miss that truck........

[popo8]

Agreed

When I had my pick up and people would tail gate me in town I would drop it down into 3rd and pop the clutch (no brake lights) and slow way down. If they hit me its a grill full of steel DMI bumper so I didnt care plus its there fault for not maintaining a safe distance and going over the speed limit. Miss that truck........


Better make sure there is no wittness to that move... Ive already arrested a guy who ended up realy hurting two girls in a cabrio after doing that in his blazer. His problem was a tow truck driver saw him brake check, for no apparent reason

[jaysz2893]

Should have seen the line of POPO's tailing this thing to it's destination!!

http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_60.jpg

[BLK95-Z]

Better make sure there is no wittness to that move... Ive already arrested a guy who ended up realy hurting two girls in a cabrio after doing that in his blazer. His problem was a tow truck driver saw him brake check, for no apparent reason

Popo, what if I had flipped him off as he passed giving the "death stare"? :D Could he do anything besides pull me over and harass me? lol

[CamaroGirl]

*brake check*

"sorry officer, i thought i saw a dog run out into the road"
thats what i'd pull if he was that close to me. theres no point unless i drew that much attention to myself.


Better make sure there is no wittness to that move... Ive already arrested a guy who ended up realy hurting two girls in a cabrio after doing that in his blazer. His problem was a tow truck driver saw him brake check, for no apparent reason
and that is very true as well

[94Blackbird]

I'm really considering getting a big sticker put on my truck that reads: If you can read this, you are too close. my truck has a full steel frame. Your car is like an aluminum can. If you hit my steel frame, you will crumple up like said can and probably die in the process. At the very least it will be a long walk home. If you wish to keep your aluminum can in one piece, back off. If not, don't say i didn't warn you.

[popo8]

Should have seen the line of POPO's tailing this thing to it's destination!!

http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_60.jpg\


THATS sum funny shit. Where is it parked, and when is it filled!!

[popo8]

Popo, what if I had flipped him off as he passed giving the "death stare"? :D Could he do anything besides pull me over and harass me? lol


If there were other public citizens that possibly could have been offended by your actions, a Disorderly Conduct citation could be issued (at least in PA)

[popo8]

I'm really considering getting a big sticker put on my truck that reads: If you can read this, you are too close. my truck has a full steel frame. Your car is like an aluminum can. If you hit my steel frame, you will crumple up like said can and probably die in the process. At the very least it will be a long walk home. If you wish to keep your aluminum can in one piece, back off. If not, don't say i didn't warn you.


That sticker would be like a wall mural.

[BLK95-Z]

If there were other public citizens that possibly could have been offended by your actions, a Disorderly Conduct citation could be issued (at least in PA)

Thats interesting...I would never do it but didnt think you could get a ticket for it.

[popo8]

Well, we as Police Officers cannot be "offended" by name calling , the finger and gestures of that likeness. However if we can articulate how a person would have offended a member of the general public who would have wittnessed it. then yes , you can. Again, in PA at least.

[97ForMuLa]

popo—just out of curiosity... could you, as a police officer, justify giving a ticket to someone in that sort of circumstance?

[popo8]

popo—just out of curiosity... could you, as a police officer, justify giving a ticket to someone in that sort of circumstance?

Be more specific.

I issued a citation to a guy who was pissed at his gf while at Apple Bee's

He was allegedly calling her names and words that I hadnt even heard yet in a restaraunt full of families, kids etc....

IS that what you meant? Or do you mean specifically the flipping the bird in traffic scenario?

[jaysz2893]

what is it with Applebees and jackasses? We went to the one here in Middletown and there was some "little - big man" doing the same thing. He was spouting all kinds of obscenities at his "girlfriend" near the bar. Eventaully me and the bartender (a guy I know) escorted the jerk out to the awaiting cop. He was about 5 foot nothing 170 lbs of HOT AIR.. LOL Girlfiriend was atleast a 6pack and a paper bagger.. LMAO!!

[popo8]

Your right. Now that i think of it, I get alot of calls to Applebee's!

[Chris]

Applebees has the 2 for 20 deal. Cheap date ;)


<3 Applebees and starting shit at the bar

[popo8]

I once had a call out there (prob 5 years ago) where a gf to a guy who was there on a date with another girl found him

She made a scene, beat on him, grabbed a fire extinguisher and sprayed him and the new date, then proceeded to go out to her car, back it up across the lot then accelerate all the way across the lot and repeatedly slam into his car and subsequently 4 other cars by the time it was all said and done.....

[Chris]

And now we know why he was taking a different chick out

[97ForMuLa]

the flipping the bird in traffic scenario? this

[Joker Z28]

Well, we as Police Officers cannot be "offended" by name calling , the finger and gestures of that likeness. However if we can articulate how a person would have offended a member of the general public who would have wittnessed it. then yes , you can. Again, in PA at least.

Same thing in SC.
Officers are trained not to be offended by regular "fighting words"

[Joker Z28]

this

Here in SC flipping the bird while your driving is considered driving if I remember correctly (I am still taking classes) and yes you can get a ticket for that.

[97ForMuLa]

justify

[popo8]

justify

Come on man, put a little more effort into your responses then just quoting, or one word answers.

I dont mind explaining whatever you want to understand, but If Im gonna put the time in, so should you.

Anyways, you want it justified why citations for DC would be issued if a person flips the bird in a public area? Is that what you are asking?

[97ForMuLa]

Could you, as an equal member of society and an authority figure, be able to justify giving a ticket to someone for getting angry (and displaying their anger via the finger) at you due to your actions as a reckless and disrespectful driver. Do you think it is right that policemen and women (a man-made authoritative position) are able to regulate people's displays of emotion (something that comes naturally to us)?

[Tarheel'Z']

^flipping the finger comes naturally to you? people choose how to show their emotion,,you can choose a legal way or a getting a ticket way,,i knew what road this thread would end up going down,,,hey 97formula, FIGHT THE POWER

[TRIPOD]

I think its disrespectfull to give anyone the finger, whether it be a policeman or whoever. With the way people are these days, A person better watch who he flips off, they may break that finger and stick it where the sun dont shine!

[97ForMuLa]

^flipping the finger comes naturally to you? people choose how to show their emotion,,you can choose a legal way or a getting a ticket way,,i knew what road this thread would end up going down,,,hey 97formula, FIGHT THE POWER
couple things there old man. first of all... did i say that flipping the finger comes naturally to me? reread please. second of all... your mockery of "FIGHT THE POWER" and making the situation BLACK AND WHITE WITH NO GRAY AREAS (hence your "legal" and "getting a ticket" ways) shows SHEEP MENTALITY. Please just accept everything that the government does as being correct, i will continue to question, because it is the more American thing to do than just bow down to higher powers. If you disagree with questioning those who are making decisions for you then you can just remain in the herd. Please refer to the motives for our founding fathers and all other settlers for coming to america next time you MOCKINGLY say fight the power.

[Tarheel'Z']

thanks for setting me straight there street corner preacher,,keep fighting

[jaysz2893]

we as sheep elect the government that makes the laws we have to follow. If we want to live in a semi-civilzed society we must follow the rules set by the people we elect to do so. If you want to question the authority it is your right to do so. It is American to do so, I agree. BUT we live in a democracy where the laws are written and must be enforced. I am not saying all the Government does is correct (bank BAILOUTS, c4c, etc..) but the rules or laws concering how to live as a civilized human being we not made just by our government. Like it or not they go back a lot further. I don't want to get into religion ( i have my own views i keep to myself) but "do unto others" comes to mind...

[97ForMuLa]

No problem old man... its bitterly apparent to me how much you need other people to think for you.


we as sheep elect the government that makes the laws we have to follow. If we want to live in a semi-civilzed society we must follow the rules set by the people we elect to do so. If you want to question the authority it is your right to do so. It is American to do so, I agree. BUT we live in a democracy where the laws are written and must be enforced. I am not saying all the Government does is correct (bank BAILOUTS, c4c, etc..) but the rules or laws concering how to live as a civilized human being we not made just by our government. Like it or not they go back a lot further. I don't want to get into religion ( i have my own views i keep to myself) but "do unto others" comes to mind...

I completely agree with your post

Still waiting for popo's response though.

[popo8]

Sorry , I was out to dinner. Her are a few responses to can I justify it.


YES, why? because it is law and that is what I am employed to do..... ENFORCE the LAW.

Now me personally, the grey area where I (LAWRENCE HANNA) live, tells me that some people deserve it, some people deserve black eyes, and some kids deserve spankings.... however NO ONE cares what LAWRENCE HANNA thinks when I have a fat book of laws to go by to keep me employed, and to keep food on my table.

I myself live in a very grey area, and am willing to roll the dice.... I speed, I have had tinted windows, I listen to my music loud etc etc, however if I get a ticket, (as I have in the past) I am given certain options in how to deal with it at the time (fight or dont fight)

I guess there is realy no "IN A NUTSHELL" answer. however I take each circumstance one at a time and define the section (in this example of DISORDERLY CONDUCT) on a per incident basis.

DISORDERLY CONDUCT (in PA- CC5503-A4) A subject created a hazardous or OFFENSIVE condition which served no legitimate purpose......

^^^^THAT leaves alot of openness for interpretation, and allows the section to be determined on a per-incident basis. what is OFFENSIVE to one may not be to another, what is a LEGITIMATE PURPOSE to one may not be to another.


So, I hope somewhere in the midst of all of the above there is an answer for you. And thank You for your more clearly written question, it allows me to know better where you are comming from. I know you do live by the FIGHT THE POWER mentality, as well as the we as citizens should not be "SHEEP" who just follow rules or orders by our government. However believe it or not, those rules are meant to help you and every other citizen in our USof A, and although they all may not work, or work properly, they are the rules/laws that we have.....

[popo8]

[QUOTE=Tarheel'Z';138869,you can choose a legal way or a getting a ticket way,,[/QUOTE]

Your right, no one says you have to follow the rules or die.... however if you role the dice and get SNAKE EYES, be prepared to pay the piper.....

[BLK95-Z]

I didnt mean for this thread to offend anyone and start any arguments. I should have thought about were it may go, my bad.

For the record I respect the law and wouldnt ever "disrespect" a police officer no matter how out of line I think he is. I was joking when I asked about flipping the bird for the stare and honestly just expected a few funny comments.

[popo8]

Well, by NO means am I offended, and I enjoy debate no matter what the topic. As long as it doesnt end with name calling and threats... altho I love that also, its for a completly dif reason

[97ForMuLa]

thank you for your response.

[popo8]

thank you for your response.

lol, was it good enough?

[jaysz2893]

well my cat hates you all:

http://flipdabird.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/cat-giving-the-finger.jpg

[CamaroGirl]

lol cute^^

[97ForMuLa]

lol, was it good enough?

well it was a matter of your own beliefs so there really isnt a logical way of evaluating it in that matter. i was simply curious about your opinion since you are an officer.

[popo8]

Ok just wanted to make sure I did my part. Again, Im not your typical Officer, alot of guys are black and white..... reality dictates that the majority of society lives in the grey area tho.......

[black hawk]

brake check coming in 5....4...3...2....... :D

in my old 1990 sunbird i used to keep my foot on the gas and yank up on the ebrake... nothing beats locking up the back wheels at 65mph!!! that always scared the shit out of tailgaters :D

[popo8]

Just remember if someone gets hurt or dead because of your actions, that 15sec of fun will be followed by years of time behind bars....

[97ForMuLa]

Ok just wanted to make sure I did my part. Again, Im not your typical Officer, alot of guys are black and white..... reality dictates that the majority of society lives in the grey area tho.......
amen.