We need to talk

[Tony Shepherd]

What do you guys think about KCIR again if I can get them to market the race better next year? Hopefully they can bring in more local spectators...etc. We can't get Memphis to return our phone calls or emails, Cordova is out of the question..........etc. Kyle and I are running out of options here.

Just an option here but............Who would not show up if it was in Dallas? ( I know that is not centralized but we have connections there)

[AChotrod]

Im fine with KCIR again. Only prob IMO was track prep and the weather. Cant do anything about the weather no matter where the race is. So that just leaves better prep.

[red_z28]

Have to agree with the less then spectacular spectator turn out at KCIR. I drove from south dakota just to watch. My car should be done in time so all i need to know is when and where.

[Tony Shepherd]

Have to agree with the less then spectacular spectator turn out at KCIR. I drove from south dakota just to watch. My car should be done in time so all i need to know is when and where.

2008 had more spectators than 2009. That is simply because of lack of marketing from the track.

[AChotrod]

Spectators are great, but more racers would be even better!!
Maybe we could have a banner made or something to display at the track prior to the shootout to help promote it better.

[Tony Shepherd]

Spectators are great, but more racers would be even better!!
Maybe we could have a banner made or something to display at the track prior to the shootout to help promote it better.

Correct racers make it better but spectators are a must to help the event make ends meet.

[AChotrod]

I hear that. Ill try and bring some more guys next yr. A lot of people were pissed they didnt come after hearing how much fun we had.

[red_z28]

Same here AChotrod, There should be more ppl coming with me this year. And I will be a racer/spectator this year.:metal: should be lots of fun.

[Transamman25]

I live 4 miles from Memphis Motorsports park ... Tony I sent ya a PM with my # call me and I'll get you the info we need !

[blackbird1084]

I'm down for where ever. I'll just need a better tow rig if it's in Dallas I don't think my bros 79 swb dodge will be able to pull it that far. I'll try and round up the local ltx guys here to road trip for the event.

[Tony Shepherd]

I live 4 miles from Memphis Motorsports park ... Tony I sent ya a PM with my # call me and I'll get you the info we need !

I just called you and left a message. Let me know what you find out. Thanks!

[BluBeaSSt]

KCIR is a OK track to say the least.... They realy arnt taking care of it because there planing on building a new track from a I heard from someone that works there.

Have you call HPT? That track is NICE! We might need alot more racers if your gonna go there though.

[Nocturnal Z]

I'd down for KCIR again if they'll advertise a bit. Dallas would be cool with me too though ;)

[gump]

Only prob IMO was track prep....

What was wrong with the track?;)



....and the weather.

I think that you will have to take that one up with God! It could have been worse. It could have rained!!:boat:

[gump]

I enjoyed this year enough to go pretty much anywhere next year!

[Fastbird]

KCIR is Fine with me. I'd probably be able to make Dallas. Have you checked into Gateway here in St. Louis??? I know they can be had cheap give or take, we almost had a 8 AM til 2 PM block for $750 a couple of weeks ago but it fell apart due to lack of interest.

[Badhawk]

KCIR would be fine for me again. Dallas not out of the question.

[proace4]

I'm down with KCIR as well. but what about KID here in wichita. If they knew a big event was coming and they track prepped more i could see it being a decent choice as far as the location and then there is the extremely low cost side of it too.

[AChotrod]

What was wrong with the track?;)




I think that you will have to take that one up with God! It could have been worse. It could have rained!!:boat:
lol! I meant for the rest of us.
Yep rain would have been worse.
Either way I had a blast and would do it again in a heart beat!!!

[Tony Shepherd]

KCIR is Fine with me. I'd probably be able to make Dallas. Have you checked into Gateway here in St. Louis??? I know they can be had cheap give or take, we almost had a 8 AM til 2 PM block for $750 a couple of weeks ago but it fell apart due to lack of interest.


Can you get a price for an 8 hr Saturday rental with track prep, ambulance, insurance, crew.....etc?

[Badhawk]

Im fine with KCIR again. Only prob IMO was track prep and the weather. Cant do anything about the weather no matter where the race is. So that just leaves better prep.


Mike I think the track hooked fine but in your case 26in tire + 6 speed = spin.:doh:

[MEAN LT1]

Is Georgia out of the question?. Theres are plenty of tracks there. What if I made the phone calls?

[paul95z]

KCIR would be fine with me. Dallas is out of my travel limit. Bringing the wife and baby with me makes long hauls a little difficult.

[96LT1355Z28]

I'd down for KCIR again if they'll advertise a bit. Dallas would be cool with me too though ;)

X2 never been to TEXAS, this would be a good excuse! I'll do whatever I can do to help if it's here in KC again.:peace2:

[hempkat94z]

Tony PM me your phone number and I will talk to Steve Quinn at Memphis Motorsports Park and I will give your number. I have talked to him about this before. They acted interested in us doing it there.

[hempkat94z]

Has Gateway Raceway in St. Louis been ruled out?

[knight367]

Looks like I'll be able to come this year if it's in KCIR but Dallas is to far out.

Not to get off subject but LTX swaped cars are ok right? If so I'll be bringing my 95 and an 86 camaro berlinetta with a 355 lt1

[96LT1355Z28]

Any LTX powered vehicle is allowed as long as it meets the requirements of the class you want to run, in most cases the only issue would be weight. Since your's are swappped into other F bodys you should be fine.;)

[Fastbird]

Has Gateway Raceway in St. Louis been ruled out?

See Tony's response to my inquiry below:


Can you get a price for an 8 hr Saturday rental with track prep, ambulance, insurance, crew.....etc?

Tony, I'll try to give them a call this or next week. They're ramping the season down right now and are hit and miss at this point. I will do my best to get in touch with them. What timeframe should I ask about? Late April-Early June timeframe like in the past?

[Transamman25]

Great I'll drop by Memphis motorsports park tonight after work !

[Tony Shepherd]

Thanks for the effort guys! May/June would be ideal.

My cell # is 512-826-5166 if anyone wants to give me a ring. After 6pm is best.

[Tony Shepherd]

I just got an email from the Memphis manager Jason Rittenberry. I will be calling him today. Keep your fingers crossed.

[Formula383]

Glad someone from Memphis finally responded. I've called them 5 times over the last 4 months and I've only gotten one call returned which said they'd call me back. Let me know what you find out T. Thanks for everyone's help!

[popo8]

MAY JUNE, no good for me..... have fun guys!!!!

[Nocturnal Z]

I just hope it's not the same weekend as the Nationals in Topeka again, I had to choose between the two last year...I think I made the right decision ;)

I'd like to attend both if at all possible though.

[AChotrod]

Mike I think the track hooked fine but in your case 26in tire + 6 speed = spin.:doh:
I begged for DOT approved tires( QTPs, ET Streets etc) in the street classes. Its a total disadvantage for M6 cars, DRs just dont cut it on a M6.:cry:

[sk8prk]

Doesn't matter where it is, if I can get my car back together in time, I'll be there.

[joelster]

Just curious...

Why do you guys want it in May/June? Most of the guys near me don't even have our cars out in May. That doesn't leave a lot of time to test/tune. Having a race in Sept/Oct is ideal.

[Tony Shepherd]

Just curious...

Why do you guys want it in May/June? Most of the guys near me don't even have our cars out in May. That doesn't leave a lot of time to test/tune. Having a race in Sept/Oct is ideal.

That is an option. Not out of the question yet. Kinda like September better myself.

[1FASTSS]

I begged for DOT approved tires( QTPs, ET Streets etc) in the street classes. Its a total disadvantage for M6 cars, DRs just dont cut it on a M6.:cry:

Oh no, here we go again. :cry:

You have to actually go to the track and run the car in order to make your suspension work for you with the tires the class allows...:whistle:

Next time get there when we do...and TEST:shiner::laugh:

[AChotrod]

How many sucessful M6 cars run DRs??? Oh yeah thats right NONE OF THEM DO.
Also that means anyone can run them, not just M6 cars, so there isnt any advantage. I still dont see why we couldnt since they are DOT approved for street use + You still have a better advantage on the strip, even if they did let us run them.
DRs MPH higher than slicks and hook just as well as slicks on a auto.
I also think that rule kept a few from runnng in the heads up classes.

Or I can slap in a 4l60e with a 4000 stall. Wich do you prefer????

[Formula383]

Mike, we hear ya man but there's tons of guys out there run as fast or faster than us on drag radials. Like Chris said, you gotta dial the suspension in for the tires you run. I don't know if the rules will change or not, but talk to MADMAN or some of the other chassis guys and they will tell you it can be done.

Besides, this is what keeps the ES classes interesting. It makes the race more dependent on the driver's skills and ability to dial the car in instead of getting lucky with a a big set of slicks.

[AChotrod]

Weak sauce!!!! Seems the A4 guys are just scared.
IMO it makes it a waste of time and money, not more interesting.

Fine Im gonna f$%#ing change the trans and add a huge stall with the biggest tire I can run then add a 300 shot. If the motor lasts they will have more to be scared of then us M6 guys running Dot slicks. If the motor blows up f%$# it I have another one.
BTW Ive researched how to hook up a M6 and the answer is always the same= Stiff wall slicks.

M6 and street twin clutch for sale, Pm me if interested.

[Formula383]

Damn, on the war path... :face_shocked:

[AChotrod]

Yeah Im pissed. A4 has every advantage over us in every way on the strip

[popo8]

Weak sauce!!!! Seems the A4 guys are just scared.
IMO it makes it a waste of time and money, not more interesting.

Fine Im gonna f$%#ing change the trans and add a huge stall with the biggest tire I can run then add a 300 shot. If the motor lasts they will have more to be scared of then us M6 guys running Dot slicks. If the motor blows up f%$# it I have another one.
BTW Ive researched how to hook up a M6 and the answer is always the same= Stiff wall slicks.

M6 and street twin clutch for sale, Pm me if interested.


Someone is FIRED UP!

[Transamman25]

We are waiting to hear back from Memphis today .. I went in and talked to the guy he had Tony's # on the top of the to do's list ...I hope the quote isn't too high !

[Formula383]

Thanks again!!

[AChotrod]

We are waiting to hear back from Memphis today .. I went in and talked to the guy he had Tony's # on the top of the to do's list ...I hope the quote isn't too high !
Thats awesome!! I hope the price isnt to bad!! Thanks!!!

[jakesz28]

Tony KCIR is fine with me. I still can't beleave what Cordova said. We rent the track there on a Sunday for $2000-2500 with excellent prep. But they didn't sound to happy about losing a Saturday to a limited car race. Taz offered something at first about sharing the track with them for a high roller classes. But $10,000 for a Saturday is stupid.

Dallas would be a hall. Not saying I wouldn't make it but I don't see any overtime at work anymore(since I changed jobs) and haven't done much on the side lately.

[grn95t/a]

man i'm down for anywhere. i am so looking forward to making it next year! dallas would be sweet, i have an uncle that lives in plano that i havent seen in like 6 or so years. but memphis would be tits, much closer to home ,lol!

[Transamman25]

I think Memphis would be awesome because huge track, pits, accomidations and above all I think it would up attendance and you know we would have plenty of room to grow the event..... IF it comes to Memphis I will host the after party (I live 4 miles from the track... live on 5 acres)

[Formula383]

Badass!! Man I hope Memphis works out.

[KissMyWhtSS]

Tony,

If you need any help with getting more local marketing with the track (KCIR) let me know. Shoot me a PM and I'll do my best to help out with what I can. It may be faster to reach me via e-mail.

Either way let me know if there's anything I can do to help out.

[Badhawk]

Weak sauce!!!! Seems the A4 guys are just scared.
IMO it makes it a waste of time and money, not more interesting.

Fine Im gonna f$%#ing change the trans and add a huge stall with the biggest tire I can run then add a 300 shot. If the motor lasts they will have more to be scared of then us M6 guys running Dot slicks. If the motor blows up f%$# it I have another one.
BTW Ive researched how to hook up a M6 and the answer is always the same= Stiff wall slicks.

M6 and street twin clutch for sale, Pm me if interested.


I'm not scared Mike, I don't care what tire you run. Move up to Modified Na next year and run your slicks.:driving::D

[CALL911]

My vote is for KC, just because I'll be stationed in Oklahoma around that time, and will give me the best chance to be there. Unfortunatly, I'll probably be sporting my LSX as it is my DD, and my LTX will still be in storage (so I'll be spectatin') :(

FWIW, (not to get in the middle of anything), my M6 Z has 614 RW ponies, and hooks up great in 1st gear with the aid of DR's. (Ask Fastbird if you need a reference :devil:)

[gump]

Why not allow a DOT tire for six speed cars and Radial for automatics. I can't see where it will hurt anything. It will be more forgiving for the six speeds on a so-so track surface.

Oh, and Mike, please don't switch to Mod N/A. I'm scared!

[Badhawk]

If I don't get this pro tree down :sleeping::sleep1:I'm sure to be one and done again. :owned:

[Fastbird]

Tony, I'm going to have the guy at Gateway's info tomorrow. Want me to press with the questioning there or want me to wait out the Memphis answer?

[LTwonZ]

I want to go next year and KCIR would be fine, but I think Dallas would be to far for me. And I know Ben's (call911) 6 speed can hook. Also Ben we maybe able to get your LT1 out there for you. Shockers truck can trailer it out there.

[claysdad]

I will be there at Gateway, Memphis, or KC. Gateway would be my first choice though.

[Fastbird]

I want to go next year and KCIR would be fine, but I think Dallas would be to far for me. And I know Ben's (call911) 6 speed can hook. Also Ben we maybe able to get your LT1 out there for you. Shockers truck can trailer it out there.

Ben, I"ll drive it for you if my car isn't ready. :metal:

[AChotrod]

I'm not scared Mike, I don't care what tire you run. Move up to Modified Na next year and run your slicks.:driving::D
lol not you. I know your already ok about running DOT slicks.
I talked to FTL today and I might just swap trannies for the race track

[AChotrod]

Why not allow a DOT tire for six speed cars and Radial for automatics. I can't see where it will hurt anything. It will be more forgiving for the six speeds on a so-so track surface.

Oh, and Mike, please don't switch to Mod N/A. I'm scared!
If I move up to mod, Ill be calling you as soon as I can scrap together some cash to make my junk run like yours. :metal:

[Badhawk]

lol not you. I know your already ok about running DOT slicks.
I talked to FTL today and I might just swap trannies for the race track


Mike FLT builds a great trans but, I bet gump would tell ya to do a th350 set up for racing.

[CALL911]

...Also Ben we maybe able to get your LT1 out there for you. Shockers truck can trailer it out there.


Ben, I"ll drive it for you if my car isn't ready. :metal:


I hear what you are saying fellas, and I definatly would love to have the car down there. It's just that I will still be balls deep in training, and although I might be able to catch a break to check it out, I don't know if I could find the time to make sure everything is running good in the car after its been in storage that long. Not to mention it showed some signs last time it saw the track of needing a new clutch. And then I wanted to put some different headers in while it was apart getting a new clutch and then... well hopefully you get my drift.

All you guys have been amazing friends that I am lucky to have always offering to help out while I am gone with everything, and I know that if I merely asked, my car would be brought to me, and probably even with the new clutch installed, and broken in with the new headers, but its just too much to ask.

My LTX and the shootout will meet. But I just don't see how its gonna be next year. :disagree:

[SnakeKilla]

Memphis sounds really good. Plus we have someoen to host the after party. Lets make it happen guys:metal:

[Tony Shepherd]

Tony, I'm going to have the guy at Gateway's info tomorrow. Want me to press with the questioning there or want me to wait out the Memphis answer?

See if you can get a price in the next day or two or three. Memphis did not call me today.:(

[AChotrod]

, I bet gump would tell ya to do a th350 set up for racing.
I know :secret:

[knight367]

I'd be down for Memphis

[Chased]

I think memphis would be awsome I liked kc but I think we need a bigger and better track to get this event on the maps like the lsx shootout there's some big ltx gunners out there hideing we need to get the word out asap

Tony and crew have been great the last to years and we need to do EVERYTHING we can to help out ! It took alot to pull last year off in the clutch I'd hate to see that happen again!

Tony tell me what help you need Im free in the morning and early afternoons to hammer the phone calls, whatever!!!

[paul95z]

80 miles to memphis for me..If I gotta go to kcir Ill be there this year. Video in my sig is at memphis if anybody needs to see the track lol.

[gregrob]

I vote either KCIR again or Gateway in STL.

That keeps in central enough where the westerners can still come.

If it was in KC again I'd definitely be there, Dallas maybe, Memphis definitely not.

I'm surely the minority though.

[Formula383]

Hate to say it, but after 2 years the east/west argument just doesn't hold any water. No one west of Amarillo has made it to KCIR. We have to go where ever maximizes attendance. We've had a few 08, 09 attendees tell us that they won't come to KCIR again. If we have it later in the year and are able to get Memphis, we could draw in a ton of guys from the east coast and south east that we didn't get before.

If you're out west and you really intend to come, speak up.

[bsgreenz]

Screw it lets slow you guys down and come up to Bandi lol.. i'm only about an hour away lol

[Speed Density]

If you're out west and you really intend to come, speak up.

Memphis would be dope.

I honestly doubt there are going to be many west coast racers, period. The trek is too far for so many of us and it has a lot of financial risk to drive and have something happen and be out all the time money. Not saying some wont, but in 2 years how many guys have you got from any west coast, pacific NW states?

Ya'll should just contiune to favor the east coast guys, thats really who the target racing/attendance market is going to be for the event.

[Tony Shepherd]

Memphis called me today and it looks like we may be able to afford it. It will take some help from everyone on getting sponsors, donations to this sites donation bar....etc. I am working with them now on gettin a more accuate quote but things look ok so far. Tentative date may be Sept. 18th (this could change)

[Nocturnal Z]

Memphis called me today and it looks like we may be able to afford it. It will take some help from everyone on getting sponsors, donations to this sites donation bar....etc. I am working with them now on gettin a more accuate quote but things look ok so far. Tentative date may be Sept. 18th (this could change)
This sounds awesome :claps:

I especially like the date...

[Transamman25]

Hell Yes ... I'll work with Comp Cams, Lunati, Autozone(corporate located here),If anyone else can think of anything else located here please let me know ~!

As long as it's ok with Tony and crew

[Tony Shepherd]

Hell Yes ... I'll work with Comp Cams, Lunati, Autozone(corporate located here),If anyone else can think of anything else located here please let me know ~!

As long as it's ok with Tony and crew

Hell yea its ok! Get to work dammit! :laugh:

[bsgreenz]

Well looks like i'm out, no way i'm driving 18+ hours to race..

[Chased]

Sept 18 is my birthday that would be a sweet present!!!!

[Tony Shepherd]

Well looks like i'm out, no way i'm driving 18+ hours to race..

where are you from?

[1FASTSS]

TN would be cool for sure. I like the Sept date myself...gives us northerners all the time in the world to get some TNT in before the event...:metal:

Now we just gotta be careful of breaking shit before sept.:hmm:

Better get to work on my spare block sitting on the garage floor.:secret:

[AChotrod]

Memphis called me today and it looks like we may be able to afford it. It will take some help from everyone on getting sponsors, donations to this sites donation bar....etc. I am working with them now on gettin a more accuate quote but things look ok so far. Tentative date may be Sept. 18th (this could change)
Thats awesome! I like the date also! That gives everyone time to get there cars dailed after winter mods!

[Transamman25]

Thats awesome! I like the date also! That gives everyone time to get there cars dailed after winter mods!


AGREED!!!

[LTwonZ]

All you guys have been amazing friends that I am lucky to have always offering to help out while I am gone with everything, and I know that if I merely asked, my car would be brought to me


Ben I think it's the least I could do for you after you have been over seas defending my country and my family.

That later date for the shootout will really help us snow belt guys out. Tony just let us know how we can help to make this happen.

[CamaroZGuy]

Memphis called me today and it looks like we may be able to afford it. It will take some help from everyone on getting sponsors, donations to this sites donation bar....etc. I am working with them now on gettin a more accuate quote but things look ok so far. Tentative date may be Sept. 18th (this could change)

that date would be AWESOME!!! i would really have to bust my a$$ to get my car there to race but i would at least be able to spectate! since i head back to the U.S around the end of Aug.

[bsgreenz]

Colorado..

[gump]

September would also be great with me. It would give me a chance to get my NHRA/IHRA stuff out of the way.

[gump]

Well looks like i'm out, no way i'm driving 18+ hours to race..

Keep in mind that you will be old one day. Wouldn't it be cool to look back on a killer road trip? I have yet to hear from anyone who didn't have a good time at this event. Even those that broke stuff.

[Formula383]

Tony and I got some basic rental information from Memphis and I've been doing some number crunching. Based on the previous two years expenses, registrations and payouts it can be done but there is very little room for incidental expenses like extra track prep, track blower (in case of rain), additional staff, etc.

To make this happen, we need to get registrations way up (75+) and get more sponsors than we have had in 2008 and 2009. We're hoping with the possible change to a fall event and moving to bigger venue that we can get a significant increase in registrations.

I sincerely hope we can make this a reality.

[1FASTSS]

Tony and I got some basic rental information from Memphis and I've been doing some number crunching. Based on the previous two years expenses, registrations and payouts it can be done but there is very little room for incidental expenses like extra track prep, track blower (in case of rain), additional staff, etc.

To make this happen, we need to get registrations way up (75+) and get more sponsors than we have had in 2008 and 2009. We're hoping with the possible change to a fall event and moving to bigger venue that we can get a significant increase in registrations.

I sincerely hope we can make this a reality.

Good point Kyle. I know there were some that backed out and never showed and we all had to pull together to get last year to happen...:claps:

One thing I know is I will be there along with the Chi-town crew so lets get things going.:cool:

[Transamman25]

I guess we need to open a pre-register 11 months in advance !

[Badhawk]

Tony and I got some basic rental information from Memphis and I've been doing some number crunching. Based on the previous two years expenses, registrations and payouts it can be done but there is very little room for incidental expenses like extra track prep, track blower (in case of rain), additional staff, etc.

To make this happen, we need to get registrations way up (75+) and get more sponsors than we have had in 2008 and 2009. We're hoping with the possible change to a fall event and moving to bigger venue that we can get a significant increase in registrations.

I sincerely hope we can make this a reality.


Kyle I don't remember how many registrations did we have last year ? I would hope we could do 75+ this year seems to be a lot of interest early.

[Transamman25]

We should deffinitely see more participation being as it's closer to the east coast and at such a great track!

[Huff035]

I'll definitely be there. I can't wait!

[79LT1Monte]

I will register right now, and Certified Performance will write the check for sponsorship as soon as you are ready for it. :D

[Fastbird]

Tony, how much for Memphis (PM me if you don't want it public). This way I can go to Gateway with a number in mind and maybe pit the two tracks against each other.

[bsgreenz]

Keep in mind that you will be old one day. Wouldn't it be cool to look back on a killer road trip? I have yet to hear from anyone who didn't have a good time at this event. Even those that broke stuff.

I'm 22 years old a wyotech graduate and a full time technician, that doesn't mean i have the money to put this trip together. I know at least 5-10 others from around here that will not be going do to the location, we don't have the money, if it was closer we could get something worked out but at this point were not going... It sounds fun and i wish i could attend..

[AChotrod]

dude you have a Year to save up.

[bsgreenz]

dude you have a Year to save up.

I know that but unless i get a better job this event will not be on my list of things to do.. if this event can be moved closer some guys from around here including gregrob, AZ2ENVY and Majesticz28 would be more than glad to attend along with some others..

[Z8's]

dude you have a Year to save up.
Where was he the first 2 years?:hmm: woulda shoulda coulda DIDN'T:shame:

[Z8's]

If we moved it to Chicago area or Dallas area we could get probably 50 locals at each place but it's not so we wont.Everyone wants it in there backyard with promises of participation but this is more about put up or shut up it is getting old.

[proace4]

i really like the idea and interest shown so far along with the enthusiasm! only beef i have with it, is that it will be in the beginning of the school year for all those of us, whom are still in college. I understand saving up for it and everything but... thats hard to pick it over my degree. I mean I have already put about as much money in the car as i have my collegiate career! lol I really want to attend and i do intend to, i had a blast last year! and the time of the year could make for some new PBs... but its also my last semester of my senior year and right before tests for appication into the masters program I will be trying to get into after graduating. Is there any other weekends available possibly labor day? 3 day weekend??

[bsgreenz]

Where was he the first 2 years?:hmm: woulda shoulda coulda DIDN'T:shame:

The car wasn't ready to play, working my ass off, and in college.. Got anything else??

[bsgreenz]

Whats the problem with KC??

[Fastbird]

If we moved it to Chicago area or Dallas area we could get probably 50 locals at each place but it's not so we wont.Everyone wants it in there backyard with promises of participation but this is more about put up or shut up it is getting old.

Thing is the shootout isn't about getting the 'locals" out. It's about getting everyone out. It can't cater to just a local area. But, to gen up interest, have you thought about organizing a local LTx shootout at your local tracks, something like a special in conjunction with a street night or TNT or something?? This way you could get the locals together, and at that event pass word on the big event.

[Z8's]

The car wasn't ready to play, working my ass off, and in college.. Got anything else??
My car wasn't ready either ....But I paid entry and attended both years to support the event.I also work my ass off and have a family .You want anything else?

[Z8's]

Thing is the shootout isn't about getting the 'locals" out. It's about getting everyone out. It can't cater to just a local area. But, to gen up interest, have you thought about organizing a local LTx shootout at your local tracks, something like a special in conjunction with a street night or TNT or something?? This way you could get the locals together, and at that event pass word on the big event.
We have a couple events a year here and have tremendous turnouts. not only LT1 cars tho.But if needed we could get dozens of LT1's to attend if it was local but who wants to put all the effort into something that is not gonna bring cars from everywhere else because a majority of the internet racers are just that.

[bsgreenz]

Nope i guess you win man.. If i have any more questions i'll be sure to ask ok!!

Not every ones finances allow them to go to these events, all i was asking was why not KC which seems to be a little more of a central location, but hell i guess i don't have to tell you that..

[Z8's]

You are the kind of people that we dont need at our events.Thank you:shiner:

[bsgreenz]

LOL i'm actually just a total smart ass

[Z8's]

And I don't like a smart ass:shame:

[bsgreenz]

Ah why not??? We make life a little more interesting lol

[Badhawk]

Chris I hope your car will be ready for 2010. :drool:

[95formula383lt1]

if its tn, ill make the road trip!

[Huff035]

if its tn, ill make the road trip!


Same here, its about a 13.5 hour trip but I'll do it!

[Tarheel'Z']

You are the kind of people that we dont need at our events.Thank you:shiner:

wonder if im "the kind of people" that you dont want to come??
from what ive read i didnt think you guys could afford to tell people NOT to come,,maybe i missed something though:hmm:
dont forget that all of us that didnt participate or attend in year 1 and 2 are the ones that would raise your numbers if we showed up at year 3,,im just sayin:peace2:

[95formula383lt1]

Same here, its about a 13.5 hour trip but I'll do it!

14.25 here but im willing to do it, lots of ppl i want to meet and lots cars i was to look at.

[97Snake]

If my car is back together with the new setup im there. I went last year and had a blast. thanks to Warren Dempsey taking me along. All i did was help and video and have a blast. Great people good times, lots of racing, and cold beer. Who doesnt want to be a part of that. We all had a blast. Everyone enjoyed the social part and all the cars. Come on guys, this is the LT world. You have plenty of time to plan for this trip and it is a trip you wont ever forget. I know for a fact that the guys that went last year are some of the best guys you will meet and everyone helped everyone. Its competitive but its a sportsmanship. Everyone showed that, that i saw. People need to pull together and see how you can make the trip and split cost. If your buddy is taking a car and you cant, pile in the car or truck whatever your doin, and come on!!!!!!!!! Its a blast for any age. You will make lifetime friendships. Make it Happen!!!!!

[Chased]

Well said dad!!

And you have a year to get your shit together and don't break it again the world needs to see it In action

oh yeh anyone else that's mess's with Z8's is banned!!!!LOL

[paul95z]

Was thinking I would have to leave the car as is... September just means I have more time to spend money!

[Ray@NitroDaves.com]

Memphis would be awesome....could pick up a truckload of people on my way through. I have family that lives is NE Arkansas.

[Formula383]

wonder if im "the kind of people" that you dont want to come??
from what ive read i didnt think you guys could afford to tell people NOT to come,,maybe i missed something though:hmm:
dont forget that all of us that didnt participate or attend in year 1 and 2 are the ones that would raise your numbers if we showed up at year 3,,im just sayin:peace2:

We're not telling anyone to not come. The point is that we have had absolutely no attendance from the western portion of the country. So complaining about having an event at the exact middle point of the country won't buy you anything. At the same time, we have to have it somewhere that's not too far for the event organizers. We barely have time to drive there in addition to taking car of everything else.

We've heard the east coast. So if we move it to Memphis you better get your ass there! :D

[gregrob]

You are the kind of people that we dont need at our events.Thank you:shiner:

Brock was simply pointing out that due to the location he wouldnt be able to make it and you guys started jumping his ass, so dont act like HE is the problem.

You guys should realize that the cliques and "holier than thou" attitude is what will hurt these events, not help promote them.

I didnt even HAVE an LT1 car the last 2yrs, what do you say to that?


Thing is with the "backyard" comments that it would STILL be a 12hr drive for us to KC, and a 16 hour drive to STL....

Agree with it or not he (and I) was simply pointing out from a normal joe blow racer standpoint that a centrally located event would be something worth considering.

I'm sure you guys have dealt with that argument before though and you have to do whats best for the event and the majority of the competitors. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I also want Tony and crew to know, no disrespect intended. I, as an LT1 enthusiast, appreciate all the HARD WORK (and I know its a lot of work) that goes into organizing, promoting, and carrying out such an event.

And IF I can afford it at the time ILL BE THERE no matter the venue.

Just isnt feasible for some of us to think about totin a car all the way across the country when we dont even have a car trailer.

Anyway, back on topic.

Long live the LTX shootout and keep me updated! I will ty to fly in ans spectate / help out if nothing else!


Greg

[Tony Shepherd]

Thanks for the kind words Greg.

Lets all keep this nice. We are family and getting along are what we are all about.:heart:

[Twisted Z]

How many sucessful M6 cars run DRs??? Oh yeah thats right NONE OF THEM DO.
Also that means anyone can run them, not just M6 cars, so there isnt any advantage. I still dont see why we couldnt since they are DOT approved for street use + You still have a better advantage on the strip, even if they did let us run them.
DRs MPH higher than slicks and hook just as well as slicks on a auto.
I also think that rule kept a few from runnng in the heads up classes.

Or I can slap in a 4l60e with a 4000 stall. Wich do you prefer????


You and your suspenion guy need to talk! Just last weekend we dailed a mild N/A 6spd car to 1.48 60s hanging the front end.

Better get to work man!

[Twisted Z]

Well the chances are better for me to come if it is a fall race. Might even have the car done by then ;)

IF it happens I will need Chris to show up so I have someone faster to race! I am finaly putting my 18* top end on and adding two presicion Billet turbo's. Low 8s high 7s will get me into the classes I want to run on the west coast..not very competitive but in. So that is my goals.

Hey Chris how is yours coming? any passes soon?


BTW guys stop F-ing around and do it in Texas. SHow up or shut up!

[sk8prk]

Lets all keep this nice. We are family and getting along are what we are all about.:heart:

Werd

[z28rob18]

if its in fall i wont be able to go cuz of school unless its close to NC and i wont be able to go if its in dallas:( i hope this year works out for me somehow ive been trying to go every year

[Nocturnal Z]

You and your suspenion guy need to talk! Just last weekend we dailed a mild N/A 6spd car to 1.48 60s hanging the front end.

Better get to work man!
On drag radials?!?! Or on a bias ply tire?

If this was on a drag radial, you and I need to talk....

[Twisted Z]

On drag radials?!?! Or on a bias ply tire?

If this was on a drag radial, you and I need to talk....


Dr's. ET Streets @ 16 psi 5,500 rpm drop. 325(?) 40-17s

It is all about the shocks and suspenion.

[gregrob]

On drag radials?!?! Or on a bias ply tire?

If this was on a drag radial, you and I need to talk....


No shit!!!!:metal:

[Transamman25]

Those are awesome #'s tor a T56 car on Drag Radials!

[Formula383]

Talk to Z8's. His M6 LS1 car was cutting 1.4s on DR's if I'm not mistaken.

[Nocturnal Z]

Dr's. ET Streets @ 16 psi 5,500 rpm drop. 325(?) 40-17s

It is all about the shocks and suspenion.

And on 17's?!?!?

Jeez....I've got some work to do :embarassed:

[Nocturnal Z]

Talk to Z8's. His M6 LS1 car was cutting 1.4s on DR's if I'm not mistaken.
No kidding!?

Man, all this time I've been using DRs on my car and everyone has told me I'll never get them to hook and that I need to just ditch them and go to a bias-ply tire.

Looks like I simply haven't been talking to the right people...

[Ray@NitroDaves.com]

thats what we have been saying for a while...;)....radials will reward the guys who put in the effort to making them work

[Tarheel'Z']

We've heard the east coast. So if we move it to Memphis you better get your ass there! :D

ZMAX??:metal:,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:D:laugh:



on a serious note,,for you organizers or just attendee's,,is there any reason for me to bring my kids?or is everything strickly adult oriented..

[AChotrod]

I dont have a suspension guy, so Im on my own.
I would like to see some of these M6s running good 60fts on drag radials and there set ups. In all my research there are very very few and they are leaving off a 2-step.
Drag shocks are coming soon so that will help. Even then from everything I can find is that to leave real good on a M6 you need a 2 step and bias ply stiff wall slicks.

I still dont see what the big deal is about allowing us to run them. I think every single guy running a M6 would like to see a DOT tire allowed. I also dont think any of us care if Auto guys run them.
Also Im pretty sure Z8s car is an Auto not M6

[jakesz28]

If you haven't purchased front shocks yet the AFCO's are not that much more money. If you end up replacing the uper and lower strut mounts you just spent what you saved by getting a cheaper shock.

I'm glad I have the afcos on mine. Even though I haven't worked on the 60' yet the quality is nice.

Sorry about the highjack.

[1FASTSS]

thats what we have been saying for a while...;)....radials will reward the guys who put in the effort to making them work

Thank you Ray...This is what I've been saying the whole time and IMO I think that the ES classes should have to run a radial tire like you would on the street...I've had my car out in the rain on ET Streets and almost put my car in the ditch coming home from the track in the rain.

Most people who spin on radials just don't get enogh time at the track on them. They will work on M6 cars...do you think my converter won't flash hard enough to smoke them?

Z8 has a A4 in his LS1 SS

[Nut]

Id be down, for KCIR or Memphis, STL. Dont know about Dallas..

Since you guys mentioned Auto Zone for sponsorship, might as well hit up Napa and OReilly's too. Glad to see things are in motion! :)

[bsgreenz]

Brock was simply pointing out that due to the location he wouldnt be able to make it and you guys started jumping his ass, so dont act like HE is the problem.

You guys should realize that the cliques and "holier than thou" attitude is what will hurt these events, not help promote them.

I didnt even HAVE an LT1 car the last 2yrs, what do you say to that?


Thing is with the "backyard" comments that it would STILL be a 12hr drive for us to KC, and a 16 hour drive to STL....

Agree with it or not he (and I) was simply pointing out from a normal joe blow racer standpoint that a centrally located event would be something worth considering.

I'm sure you guys have dealt with that argument before though and you have to do whats best for the event and the majority of the competitors. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I also want Tony and crew to know, no disrespect intended. I, as an LT1 enthusiast, appreciate all the HARD WORK (and I know its a lot of work) that goes into organizing, promoting, and carrying out such an event.

And IF I can afford it at the time ILL BE THERE no matter the venue.

Just isnt feasible for some of us to think about totin a car all the way across the country when we dont even have a car trailer.

Anyway, back on topic.

Long live the LTX shootout and keep me updated! I will ty to fly in ans spectate / help out if nothing else!


Greg

Thanks greg, all i was trying to do was point out the location and that some can't and wont make it cause of the location but some people seem to think i was trying to bash and try to start shit which i wasn't.. Some one called me out starting shit so i played with it.. If you can't deal with me being a smart ass oh well..

[AZ2ENVY]

You are the kind of people that we dont need at our events.Thank you:shiner:

Wow....... He is the same people as my wife and I are, so I guess we
wont be showing up to any LTX events :disagree: I had total respect for you
until the total nonsense youve just been posting up . Ban me if you
want but anyone can look through the posts and see Brock didnt start
shit with anyone , Z8's started in with his jabs for no reason . We as
an LTX community know that we are of a dying breed . Telling other
LTX enthusiasts they arent welcome is truly a sad day in our community .

[Transamman25]

I think what Z8 was saying is, because the event moved 400 miles he said he wouldn't follow it is what he was getting at! You guys are getting bent out of shape when the guys running the event are simply trying to make it better!

AZ2Envy ... did you show up to either one of the first 2 ? Simply put the event needs to get bigger in order to put the Shootout on the map!

[Tarheel'Z']

I think what Z8 was saying is, because the event moved 400 miles he said he wouldn't follow it is what he was getting at! You guys are getting bent out of shape when the guys running the event are simply trying to make it better! AZ2Envy ... did you show up to either one of the first 2 ? Simply put the event needs to get bigger in order to put the Shootout on the map!

at the same time though,,is telling someone that they are not the kind of people they want to come the way to make it grow and get bigger??i think the point was if someone has never been but wants to go to the third one,,Z8's comments might make them think twice,,thats just the way i saw it..im sure he didnt really mean that he doesnt want people to come and might not would make the same comment if he had it to do over again but surely you can see how some would take such a comment,,i think you should remember that its not about the people that have been the first 2 years,,if you just keep having the same people show up then its not growing,,you need the people that havent been to show up to raise the numbers


side note: i did not go to the 1st or 2nd but plan on attending no matter who doesnt want me there:D

[Transamman25]

side note: i did not go to the 1st or 2nd but plan on attending no matter who doesnt want me there:D

Now that is the attitude we need !

[grn95t/a]

man memphis would be awsome for me! but regardless of where it is at, i'm making this one! i have missed the first two, paid for the second one and just couldn't make the trip. but felt that i donated to a good cause! so i'll see all you guys there next year!!

once we have a confirmed date and place i'll be posting on my local boards to try and get a few more LT1's to step up to the plate.

[Transamman25]

I think the key to success on this next yr is make the plans now and have everyone involved working on it all year long!

[grn95t/a]

I think the key to success on this next yr is make the plans now and have everyone involved working on it all year long!


x2! :metal:

[CALL911]

Ben I think it's the least I could do for you after you have been over seas defending my country and my family.

That later date for the shootout will really help us snow belt guys out. Tony just let us know how we can help to make this happen.

Thanks Dan!

If its not gonna be in KC though and in TN, I doubt I'll be able to make the drive from western Oklahoma. However, September is about the time I should be finishing up my training, so if I am back in Indiana at the time, there is a remote, outstide chance that my Z and I might be able to make it!! :D

[AChotrod]

I think the key to success on this next yr is make the plans now and have everyone involved working on it all year long!
X3. Im ready to register asap!!!!

Maybe you guys could help me out, and show me some examples of these M6 cars running good on DRs, and what it takes to make them run a decent 60ft, instead of just saying you can do it and test more.

I wish I had time to hit the track more but I work 60hrs a week and work 6 days including Sat and sunday and untill 8 mon-thursday every week, and with the car being down most the summer its near impossible to get the time I need on the track.

[jakesz28]

With what’s been said lets just forget about it and concentrate on what it takes to make the event happen. It would be nice if the event could stay central but either way some people are going to have to drive farther then they can afford. If it has to move some to help the event grow or happen that’s the way it will have to be.


I like the thought of having it in Sept. For us winter bond guys having a working car in May is hard. Weather permitting I might be able to hit the track here the last two weeks of April but you can't count on it. This year my car wasn't even together until the weekend before the shootout. So I hit two tracks in three days and only got in 6 or seven passes in those three days. So needless to say I'm glad I made a couple passes Friday night at KCIR

[BIGT94z]

the reason there was a lack of fans imo was bc that weekend there was a big nhra event at the topeka track in ks and alot of the local racers/spectators were down at mokan for the vamp series

[Nocturnal Z]

the reason there was a lack of fans imo was bc that weekend there was a big nhra event at the topeka track in ks and alot of the local racers/spectators were down at mokan for the vamp series
^^^ Good point.

I had to choose between LTx or Topeka, obviously I chose LTx, but I'm sure most that were faced with the same decision chose Topeka instead.

[Ponyhntr]

I will TRY to make it to wherever the event takes place. It all depends on how business is, if the car is running, and if I have the $$$ to do it. Hell, if business is good, I may even be able to help out with some cash, but I won't know until the last minute.

[AZ2ENVY]

I think what Z8 was saying is, because the event moved 400 miles he said he wouldn't follow it is what he was getting at! You guys are getting bent out of shape when the guys running the event are simply trying to make it better!

AZ2Envy ... did you show up to either one of the first 2 ? Simply put the event needs to get bigger in order to put the Shootout on the map!


How is telling people he doesnt want our kind there trying to make the event better :rolleyes: Kinda contradicting in the fullest IMO ..... I didnt attend
the first two and now im glad I didnt !

[roadtrip120]

I just want to race this year, i'm willing to drive. I agree we need more of a turn out , if that means not making it centralized and loosing 5 guys but picking up 10 guys, maybe thats in the best intrest of the event.


I remember the Thunder Shootout, and the turn out that event pulled in. Maybe we need to set the place and event ,far enough in advance that eveyone can make plans around it.

[Nut]

Back on topic.

Isnt there a 1/4 track or two, in Kansas? Or another one in Missouri? Just throwing ideas out there..

[hotrod96z28]

i wish it would be closer so i could attend.

[Transamman25]

How is telling people he doesnt want our kind there trying to make the event better :rolleyes: Kinda contradicting in the fullest IMO ..... I didnt attend
the first two and now im glad I didnt !


Well AZ2Envy,

I'm sorry you didn't participate in one of the first two event's - So what was the event suppose to do? Hold out in Kansas in hopes you would someday feel like making an event? Simply put anything that doesn't grow only gets weaker. With the attitude you hold towards the event I'm glad it didn't hold out for you!

To everyone else who wanted to go and it is now in driving distance, I hope you will come and show what your LTX can do against some of the best in the country!

[AChotrod]

i wish it would be closer so i could attend.
you could ride/caravan with us.

[bsgreenz]

Well AZ2Envy,

I'm sorry you didn't participate in one of the first two event's - So what was the event suppose to do? Hold out in Kansas in hopes you would someday feel like making an event? Simply put anything that doesn't grow only gets weaker. With the attitude you hold towards the event I'm glad it didn't hold out for you!

To everyone else who wanted to go and it is now in driving distance, I hope you will come and show what your LTX can do against some of the best in the country!

No one said anything about this event should hold out for one person, were just asking what is wrong with making it more central??? You guys seem to have a great attitude about getting people to come to this event, the only one that even asked a question of where were located is Shepard..

But i guess since we didnt attend the last two years and are totall smart asses we don't belong there but yet you are @#$%ing about not having enough attentence, ever wonder why???

[hotrod96z28]

no money for that. i would have to bring the family for a trip like that. just isnt feesible

[AZ2ENVY]

Well AZ2Envy,
With the attitude you hold towards the event I'm glad it didn't hold out for you!


The attitude I have is from people like you and Z8's . Believe me with you
people pushing for us to not come Ill make it a point well known what is
happening here to our other LTX friends . If you think its just BsGreenZ ,
me and the wife (Teal_LTXZ) then youre in for a rude awakening . Just
remember bad news spreads faster than a wildfire and with a small LTX
community it can be devastating :peace2:

[96LT1355Z28]

Come on guys I'm not one to post up my opinion but this is getting stupid. I just read pages of arguing in a thread that's supposed to be about event location. If you feelings were hurt, I'm sure it wasn't intentional, now it's just ego's making smart sarcastic comments back and forth, lets grow up. To anyone who hasn't attended, this event is about more than just racing and I strongly urge you to attend with or without your car. Those of us who have been know what I'm talking about. I know not everyone will be able to afford to travel, so if you can't make it please don't bad mouth the event cause it's outside your budget. I'm looking forward to it wherever it is and hope everyone who truly wants to make it shows up! Back on topic PLEASE!:cheers:

[paul95z]

I preregistered both years and couldnt attend. I donated to this site last year and couldnt attend. Even though I knew I couldnt make it, I still did what I could to support the event for the LTX community.

My wife and I are foster parents and never know what are situation will be like one day to the next. So once again Im hoping to go to the next one. Ill be donating as much as possible and when it comes time, Ill preregister, again(lol).

So if you really care about this community and this event, quit your bitchin and support it anyway you can. It would be great to have everyone there, but if you cant make it there are other ways to support it.

[Transamman25]

I agree with many on this board who are simply saying if you can't afford a trip why bash it? Moving further east to Memphis simply allows more from the east coast who has always wanted to go a chance to attend. If you didn't go the first couple years don't be sore because its moving.. you had a chance.

[gump]

The bottom line with this kind of event is that it is impossible to please everyone. To those that are complaining I would have to say that fighting with someone that is not an event organizer is not helping anything. Tony made a very nice response a few pages back. I find it very disrespectful for both sides to continue fighting in this thread. I am pretty sure that the event organizers will welcome anyone with an LT1 vehicle (and a good attitude). I encourage anyone that would like to attend to try their best to do so. I'll bet that you will be talking about it for years.

[Formula383]

^ Thanks gump ^

I really hate to see this type of discussion happening here. We need everyone to come together on this. What everyone needs to understand is that we tried to have the event in the most central location possible for the last two years. Attendance declined from 2008 to 2009 and we simply cannot continue that trend and expect to have a successful event in 2010.

Here's what we've consistently heard since early 2008: (1) The folks in colder or snowy areas don't have enough time to get their setups ready for an April-May event. (2) The east coast and south east guys would attend if it was a little closer. Up until last week, we have had no participation or even registrations from anyone west of Amarillo, TX with the exception of about 5 members since 2008. Some came without their cars and some didn't even make it all but they all registered and we are truly appreciative of their support.

At this point, what logically makes the most sense is to have the event later in the year and move it to a location to allows some of the east coast and south east guys to attend. We are sorry if this doesn't fit everyone's plans and location but as we have found with the class rules, we cannot please everyone and try to do what we feel is right for the majority and for the survival of the event.

The truth is we want as many of you guys there as we can have. F-Body, Impala, Vette, Mustangs, RX7s, Monte's, etc it doesn't matter. If moving the even means losing 2 or 3 to pick up 10 or more, then that's what we have to do. Tony and I are both financially responsible for this until the end of the day of the event and the receipts are totaled. Tony even more so than me since he puts his name on the contract with the track. We love being able to organize this event but I wanted to shed some light on why we have to make some of the decisions we do.

Thanks for everyone's interest and enthusiasm. Let's keep it civil in here and all work together so we can see a 2010 Shootout.

[Tarheel'Z']

^very well said,,, 'You can please some of the people some of the time but youll never please all of the people all of the time'

[roadtrip120]

^ Thanks gump ^

I really hate to see this type of discussion happening here. We need everyone to come together on this. What everyone needs to understand is that we tried to have the event in the most central location possible for the last two years. Attendance declined from 2008 to 2009 and we simply cannot continue that trend and expect to have a successful event in 2010.

Here's what we've consistently heard since early 2008: (1) The folks in colder or snowy areas don't have enough time to get their setups ready for an April-May event. (2) The east coast and south east guys would attend if it was a little closer. Up until last week, we have had no participation or even registrations from anyone west of Amarillo, TX with the exception of about 5 members since 2008. Some came without their cars and some didn't even make it all but they all registered and we are truly appreciative of their support.

At this point, what logically makes the most sense is to have the event later in the year and move it to a location to allows some of the east coast and south east guys to attend. We are sorry if this doesn't fit everyone's plans and location but as we have found with the class rules, we cannot please everyone and try to do what we feel is right for the majority and for the survival of the event.

The truth is we want as many of you guys there as we can have. F-Body, Impala, Vette, Mustangs, RX7s, Monte's, etc it doesn't matter. If moving the even means losing 2 or 3 to pick up 10 or more, then that's what we have to do. Tony and I are both financially responsible for this until the end of the day of the event and the receipts are totaled. Tony even more so than me since he puts his name on the contract with the track. We love being able to organize this event but I wanted to shed some light on why we have to make some of the decisions we do.

Thanks for everyone's interest and enthusiasm. Let's keep it civil in here and all work together so we can see a 2010 Shootout.


Sounds good, post up a date and place and we'll be there :metal:

[AZ2ENVY]

Has anyone thought of Oklahoma ? Its smack dab in the middle of the country :)

[red_z28]

IMO, I think a new venue would be awesome. KCIR was ok but i Think there was a lot left on the table. Maybe a new track would be better for attendance and drivers. Either way I'm there.

[Nut]

Sounds good, post up a date and place and we'll be there :metal:
Amen, that goes for several of us.

[Transamman25]

Count me in !

[CALL911]

Has anyone thought of Oklahoma ? Its smack dab in the middle of the country :)

That would be ideal for me since I will be in OK at that time.

[abeane4]

You guys have but on a great event the last two years.:claps: Just let us know where it's at and when we can register. I'll be there!:rockon:

[The Engineer]

Has anyone thought of Oklahoma ? Its smack dab in the middle of the country :)

FYI, Thunder Valley Raceway Park is in centeral Oklahoma (a few miles South of Oklahoma City) and it's an NHRA track that hosts a Div-4 Lucas Oil event. It is my home track and I know the management there really well. Also, it is a "full" concrete track, all 1320 feet!

Additionally, the track in Tulsa, Tulsa Raceway Park (Northeastern Oklahoma) is also a very nice facility and will be changing to NHRA next year (currently IHRA).

So, we have two nice tracks here in Oklahoma and two possibilities for the 2010 shoot-out, if we want to explore those options.

Warren

[CALL911]

FYI, Thunder Valley Raceway Park is in centeral Oklahoma (a few miles South of Oklahoma City) and it's an NHRA track that hosts a Div-4 Lucas Oil event. It is my home track and I know the management there really well. Also, it is a "full" concrete track, all 1320 feet!

Additionally, the track in Tulsa, Tulsa Raceway Park (Northeastern Oklahoma) is also a very nice facility and will be changing to NHRA next year (currently IHRA).

So, we have two nice tracks here in Oklahoma and two possibilities for the 2010 shoot-out, if we want to explore those options.

Warren

Sounds good :D

[AZ2ENVY]

Sounds good to me too :D

[Formula 350]

did Route 66 in joliet IL get ruled out already its a little farther than cordova but its a nice big venue. That hosts alot of big NHRA events

[The Engineer]

That would be ideal for me since I will be in OK at that time.

Will you be driving, or flying to Oklahoma (TDY)? Or, is this a PCS move to Oklahoma, and if so which AFB (Altus, Tinker or Vance)? If PCS, I'm guessing Altus AFB! :D

Warren

[AChotrod]

did Route 66 in joliet IL get ruled out already its a little farther than cordova but its a nice big venue. That hosts alot of big NHRA events
Even if everyone agreed to race there Im sure it would cost a fortune to rent.:shiner:

[popo8]

Now, I will be there, wherever it is...

[CALL911]

Will you be driving, or flying to Oklahoma (TDY)? Or, is this a PCS move to Oklahoma, and if so which AFB (Altus, Tinker or Vance)? If PCS, I'm guessing Altus AFB! :D

Warren

I'll be there for about 5 months, so they will consider it a TDY, and it will be Altus. I will be driving the Formula in my sig, which is also what I will be driving to the shootout in, if it ends up in Oklahoma. This is about the only way I'm gonna be able to make it because they don't cut you much time to leave the base during training. Meaning if I gotta drive more than a state away, you'll have to count CALL911 out for this year :(

[The Engineer]

I'll be there for about 5 months, so they will consider it a TDY, and it will be Altus. I will be driving the Formula in my sig, which is also what I will be driving to the shootout in, if it ends up in Oklahoma. This is about the only way I'm gonna be able to make it because they don't cut you much time to leave the base during training. Meaning if I gotta drive more than a state away, you'll have to count CALL911 out for this year :(

So, I was correct about Altus AFB! While you're here in Oklahoma, you'll have to stop by my place in the OKC area so I can check-out your car. Also, you can see my shop, all my LTX stuff and my tube-chassis, Glasstek body Cavalier while you're here. Additionally, you may want to check-out Thunder Valley, just South of OKC. There is also a nice 1/8 track at Lawton, Sooner Motorplex which is about 50 miles from Altus.

From what I'm hearing from Tony, it looks like the Memphis NHRA track is the "currently" the first choice for the 2010 Shoot-Out. And, Memphis is a "really great" top-end track that hosts NHRA National events and the NMCA World Finals, along with the LSX shoot-out. Also, Memphis has many potential event sponsors in the local area (Comp cams, TCI, RHS, Hypertech, Etc.).

Warren

[CALL911]

So, I was correct about Altus AFB! While you're here in Oklahoma, you'll have to stop by my place in the OKC area so I can check-out your car. Also, you can see my shop, all my LTX stuff and my tube-chassis, Glasstek body Cavalier while you're here. Additionally, you may want to check-out Thunder Valley, just South of OKC. There is also a nice 1/8 track at Lawton, Sooner Motorplex which is about 50 miles from Altus.

From what I'm hearing from Tony, it looks like the Memphis NHRA track is the "currently" the first choice for the 2010 Shoot-Out. And, Memphis is a "really great" top-end track that hosts NHRA National events and the NMCA World Finals, along with the LSX shoot-out. Also, Memphis has many potential event sponsors in the local area (Comp cams, TCI, RHS, Hypertech, Etc.).

Warren

Warren,

Thanks for the invite. I won't have my Camaro down there, but I will have my Formula, and I'd be happy to swing out your way. It sounded from the get go that Memphis was going to be the more likely track that we would end up with. I really would have loved to have made it, but since I wouldn't have been able to bring my LTX, then perhaps its not as big of a deal anyways. There will always be 2011.

[Ponyhntr]

Warren,

Thanks for the invite. I won't have my Camaro down there, but I will have my Formula, and I'd be happy to swing out your way. It sounded from the get go that Memphis was going to be the more likely track that we would end up with. I really would have loved to have made it, but since I wouldn't have been able to bring my LTX, then perhaps its not as big of a deal anyways. There will always be 2011.

You would be fairly close for a weekend cruise up to KC. ;)

[The Engineer]

Warren,

Thanks for the invite. I won't have my Camaro down there, but I will have my Formula, and I'd be happy to swing out your way. It sounded from the get go that Memphis was going to be the more likely track that we would end up with. I really would have loved to have made it, but since I wouldn't have been able to bring my LTX, then perhaps its not as big of a deal anyways. There will always be 2011.

Couldn't you just strap your Camaro down in the cagro bay of a C-17 and fly it up to Memphis for the Shoot-Out?

Or better yet, with all the LTX guys around the country that don't have a trailer or tow vehicle to get to the 2010 Shoot-Out, why not fly around in the C-17 and pick-up everyone's car and fly them to Memphis. Could you get six, or eight F-Bodys in a C-17? :hmm:

Warren

[Formula383]

I like the way you think Warren.

[CALL911]

You would be fairly close for a weekend cruise up to KC. ;)

Yes I know. Are you living back there again?


Couldn't you just strap your Camaro down in the cagro bay of a C-17 and fly it up to Memphis for the Shoot-Out?

Or better yet, with all the LTX guys around the country that don't have a trailer or tow vehicle to get to the 2010 Shoot-Out, why not fly around in the C-17 and pick-up everyone's car and fly them to Memphis. Could you get six, or eight F-Bodys in a C-17? :hmm:

Warren

As cool as that would be, thats obviously not an option :laugh:

Besides, I'm not going there to fly the C-17, I'm going there to fly the KC-135, and unlike the C-17, I don't think it would drive into the cargo bay of a KC-135. However it would hold a shit-ton of fuel! What would be pimp is to roll out flying a C-5. If it can hold Chinook Helicopters and Abram tanks, I'm confident it could hold plenty of F-bodies :claps:

All joking aside, there is still an outside chance I might be able to make the shootout in Memphis in Sept next year. I am scheduled to be at Altus for 5 months, and should start training sometime in early May. Some factors go into how long I will actually be there, weather for example (good enough to fly or not). If I can finish up training early, theres a chance I could get done just in time for the shootout. The only realistic other problem would be getting my Z out from its almost 2 year hybernation at that point and making sure everything is still running good before I go drive it a long distance to go beat on it at a track.

I think the more likely thing will be my LTX being at the shootout in 2011.:|

[Ponyhntr]

Yes I know. Are you living back there again?

I've been in KC over 5 years now. :D

[CALL911]

I've been in KC over 5 years now. :D

I thought you were back in Indiana now? :confused:

Thats what happens when I am barely around to know whats going on :(

Then, hell ya I'll swing out and visit! Its about an 8.5 hour drive between KC and Altus, but it'll give me something to do.

[AChotrod]

Im even more pumped about next yr, now that DOT slicks will be allowed in the EX classes. Just for that Ill drive to anywhere Tony and Kyle want to have the race. even if the race is in their back yards!!!

[Formula 350]

Even if everyone agreed to race there Im sure it would cost a fortune to rent.:shiner:
Yea probably maybe in a few years when the shootout gets bigger it might workout better.

[ebeard94lt1]

Hey guys i'm pretty new here but i just attended the lsx shootout in memphis. Great track. Anyway the lsx guys were a little disappointed with it this year however. Some NMCA stuff was going on at the same time and it really took away from the shootout. I think they would be very happy to have an event on their own. But anyway I heard some people say it might be a good idea to merge the ltx and lsx shootouts and have one event. Just thought i would chime in with my $.02
At any rate if the end verdict is memphis i plan on bringing out my slow lt1!

[Chased]

Im even more pumped about next yr, now that DOT slicks will be allowed in the EX classes. Just for that Ill drive to anywhere Tony and Kyle want to have the race. even if the race is in their back yards!!!



Ass kisser:kiss::kiss::kiss:

[AChotrod]

:disagree::asshole::asshole::asshole:

[Badhawk]

:popcorn:

[CALL911]

...anyway I heard some people say it might be a good idea to merge the ltx and lsx shootouts and have one event.


:claps: :clap::cheers::finger::metal:

[The Engineer]

I heard some people say it might be a good idea to merge the ltx and lsx shootouts and have one event. Just thought i would chime in with my $.02

If so, here is the over-riding question.... Would the LTX and LSX racing be separate classes? i.e., LTX cars (classes) "only" for LTX cars and LSX (classes) only for the LSX cars?

Or, would we want to mix-it-up and develop classes with both LTX and LSX cars running each other heads-up?????

Some key questions to consider, if we were to merge both shoot-outs.

Warren

[ebeard94lt1]

If so, here is the over-riding question.... Would the LTX and LSX racing be separate classes? i.e., LTX cars (classes) "only" for LTX cars and LSX (classes) only for the LSX cars?

Or, would we want to mix-it-up and develop classes with both LTX and LSX cars running each other heads-up?????

Some key questions to consider, if we were to merge both shoot-outs.


Some people were saying keep them seperate till the end. For instance the lsx true street winner would run the ltx true street winner. I guess it would be best to get a rough count on the number of cars coming before making those decisions:hmm:

[CamaroRacing12]

Some people were saying keep them seperate till the end. For instance the lsx true street winner would run the ltx true street winner. I guess it would be best to get a rough count on the number of cars coming before making those decisions:hmm:

that was my idea lol

and i still think its a great idea. pretty much have them runoff more for fun then anything else. those two winners would still win first in their classes and win payouts and trophys but have them runoff for an overall shootout winner in the class. and maybe a lil extra prize.

if anyone is familiar with the IHRA National races thats how they do the box/no box classes. works out well

[jakesz28]

If it were to happen I think it would be best to have seperate classes and payouts/trophies. Then they could have the two winners run each other for bragging rights.

I guess I never realized the LSx event wasn't like what Tony and the guys did for us. I wouldn't show up to a race like what the LSx event was this year. Maybe the first time but not the second.

[The Engineer]

I haven't looked at the LSX forums...... So, do the LSX guys like the shoot-out merger idea?

Warren

[Badhawk]

I haven't looked at the LSX forums...... So, do the LSX guys like the shoot-out merger idea?

Warren


Here is one thread Warren.


http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1194139-observation-lsx-shootout.html

[gump]

So, do the LSX guys like the shoot-out merger idea?

The question should be......do the LTX guys like the shoutout merger idea? On the face of it, it sounds good, but only if Tony is running the show!

[1FASTSS]

The question should be......do the LTX guys like the shoutout merger idea? On the face of it, it sounds good, but only if Tony is running the show!

I agree. Its sounds fine but I like ours the way it is. THis is our race not their's. When they got their race we were not included so why go out of the way to include them in ours now?

[Tony Shepherd]

Thanks guys,

I kinda agree I like what we have now and so does Kyle but it is worth at least looking into. May not pan out to anything. Pro Stock John actually came to me asking about a possible joint event but it is just talk at this point. I can tell you this it would be difficult pleasing both sides and making sure every I is dotted and T is crossed. If it worked out it could be a really good thing for the LTX'ers bringing in more sponsors, media coverage, and popularity. Otherwise we seem to be doing all that on our own just fine. PSJ, Nineball, Brains.......etc are all good people and have the same passion we do for the sport. Time will tell.

T

[Nocturnal Z]

I agree. Its sounds fine but I like ours the way it is. THis is our race not their's. When they got their race we were not included so why go out of the way to include them in ours now?
^^^ Agreed.

My vote is to keep the event 100% LTx. I think the LTx platform popularity is growing well right now, and it's sounding like if things go as planned, the 2010 shootout could only help push that trend in the right direction....

[CALL911]

Although I like the idea of having a race to ourselves, I can't deny that a joint event would be awesome. I love the idea of LTX vs LSX!!

Perhaps this is something we can plan seperate, so we can have our own event, and then have a complete seperate event "LSX vs LTX Shootout".

[Badhawk]

I do like our shootout just the way it is but, I guess I wouldn't be against a merger if it benefited the LTX community and we weren't billed as second class equals or nothing.

[Chased]

I do like our shootout just the way it is but, I guess I wouldn't be against a merger if it benefited the LTX community and we weren't billed as second class equals or nothing.

That what I'm thinking alot of ls1 peeps tend to talk shit about are ltx's

[CamaroRacing12]

whatever happens, happens.

either way we know Tony and Kyle and the rest of the planners will come up with a great top notch event!

[jakesz28]

The problem I think that will keep things seperate is the NMCA is what brings in the most sponsers to the LSx shootout. That is also what takes away from it being a LSx event. Then with the local bracket racers coming in to I can see why it took them so long to get thru all of the cars.
Getting aftermarket block on top of a payout sure would be nice though.




Hey Tony how is your car coming? Have you had it out a few times yet with the new heads? I've slacked off here. I need to get mine apart. I think I'll be sending the heads and intake off for a little work this winter.

[Tony Shepherd]

Hey Tony how is your car coming? Have you had it out a few times yet with the new heads? I've slacked off here. I need to get mine apart. I think I'll be sending the heads and intake off for a little work this winter.


I have been slacking. The new heads, intake, and T-body are sitting in the garage next to the car. I need to do some work to the heads and intake and then intall them. Hoping to get started soon.

[jakesz28]

Well I don't feel as bad now. I would like to do a few things to the car but I'm not sure how much I will be able to get done this year. The guy that I will be sending the intake and heads to said he saw one LT1 motor on nitrous reach 1100hp on an engine dyno but the block failed. I don't know much about it but I don't think this is a person that would make stories up. Either way I think we have a little room to go.

[Kirby]

I attended the ltx shoot out and the lsx shoot out this year, and had a blast at the ltx event even thow i broke. the lsx shoot out was a little diffrent, memphis put the lsx cars on the back burner to the nmca and the 1/8 mile bracket cars. they had to finish on monday and half the field of lsx cars aready left. i siad on another forum i will never go back to memphis, the hotel tax is 16%, a glass of tea cost $6, a slice of pizza $7, and so on not to mention the roads. they pissed all over the lsx shootout. combining the both of them would be great, and would benifit both but not in conjunction with a bigger event like nmca world finals. the nhra was in topeka at the same time as the shootout last year and thats a major reason no fans were there "and why kcir left the date open" and no advertising. i live in kc and never heard a word about it exept from the internet. if you do come back to kc thier is some sponsers you should try this year like procharger, matt at mc racing, house of boost , weld wheels and so on. if in memphis i will be there but i hate to eat my words and have a very bad taste in my mouth from the lsx shoot out. just my 2 cents. you have to think of what the cost is going to be for a normal person too eat and sleep.

[Formula383]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and believe me we do think about what it's going to cost to get people there. Remember, Tony and I are both from central TX so we have to pay for travel and accommodations just like the others who come in from out of town. I've heard that some of the LSX guys payed upwards of $145 to run last weekend while ours has been around $53 and we're not planning on changing by much of if any at all.

If we end up having some sort of combined event, it will be only LTX/LSX cars and will not be mixed with any NMCA or local bracket series races. It's really hard to say what/who caused the issues at this years LSX race, but one thing is common: the LSX folks definitely felt like the got dumped on.

Other than some of the class rules, I have not heard much negative feedback from any of the LTX races and we hope to keep you guys happy and coming back for more.

[Kirby]

no problem, nice car looks even better in person. the lsx guys have a reason to upset. if it comes back to kc and you need someone to pass out flyers or talk to mc or procharger i will do. i'm at 1 of the tracks around here at least 1 time a week if not 2. o you sell them heads yet?

[Formula383]

Thanks and I appreciate you offering to help. If we end up coming back I'll let you know. And yeah, I finally got the heads sold! w00t!

[AChotrod]

Kinda seems like the LSx boys felt like us for once???
I for one couldnt be happier with the way the LTXshoootout is run. Kyle & Tony run it. One thing I fear if we run with the LSX boys is we WILL get over shadowed, if even if we run seperate classes.

[CamaroRacing12]

Kinda seems like the LSx boys felt like us for once???
I for one couldnt be happier with the way the LTXshoootout is run. Kyle & Tony run it. One thing I fear if we run with the LSX boys is we WILL get over shadowed, if even if we run seperate classes.

i agree.

i alsothink the LSX guys look up to us running our own shootout and making it very successful

[The Engineer]

i agree.

i alsothink the LSX guys look up to us running our own shootout and making it very successful

If we pair-up with the LSX guys, maybe we could snag GM Performance Parts as the title sponsor for the combined event! And, that in-turn could create some top-end marketing (i.e., national publications, GMPP web-site, Etc).

However, as it stands now with GMPP, us LTX guys are the "forgotten" performance generation!

Warren

[AChotrod]

At least GMHTM hasnt forgoten. They really have been featuring more and more LTX stuff.

[Hot94Z28]

I'm game for anything. I would like to see it at KCIR because I live like 50 miles from the track.

[jakesz28]

At least GMHTM hasnt forgoten. They really have been featuring more and more LTX stuff.



Speaking of that doesn’t the LTx Shootout article come out in a week?

[Nocturnal Z]

At least GMHTM hasnt forgoten. They really have been featuring more and more LTX stuff.

True. Gotta give those guys props on featuring LTx cars lately.





I think Nov 7 is when it hits newstands. Hopefully those of us that have a subscription will see it a bit earlier :hmm:

[1FASTSS]

At least GMHTM hasnt forgoten. They really have been featuring more and more LTX stuff.

Becuase all the recent features were done at the shootout. :D

[MEAN LT1]

Im game for whatever we all decide to do. However if we look at the past LTX vs LSX shootout that GMHTP did we were not very competitive. All im saying is I dont want to see us getting ambarrassed.

[The Engineer]

Im game for whatever we all decide to do. However if we look at the past LTX vs LSX shootout that GMHTP did we were not very competitive. All im saying is I dont want to see us getting ambarrassed.

I don't recall GMHTP asking me to participate in their shoot-out! If I was invited, I would show-up and kick some LSX ass! :shiner:

Warren

[Formula383]

If I'm not mistaken it was over 5 years ago and there were a select group of guys invited.

http://www.fast93z.com/media/pictures/0409coverzoom.jpg

[Badhawk]

Me to..

[popo8]

If I'm not mistaken it was over 5 years ago and there were a select group of guys invited.

http://www.fast93z.com/media/pictures/0409coverzoom.jpg


I would love to see that issue....

[Tony Shepherd]

If I'm not mistaken it was over 5 years ago and there were a select group of guys invited.

http://www.fast93z.com/media/pictures/0409coverzoom.jpg

I remember that day. The photo shoot was done December of 2003 and the issue did not hit the stands until mid 2004. Got to meet Rick Jensen there.

[Nocturnal Z]

If I'm not mistaken it was over 5 years ago and there were a select group of guys invited.

http://www.fast93z.com/media/pictures/0409coverzoom.jpg

I still have that issue in my stash somewhere, man hard to believe it came out over five years ago.

I remember reading about some LTx racer named Tony....I wonder whatever became of that guy :D

[AChotrod]

I think thats still up on their web site for everyone to read. One day Ill make the mag. Prob when Lt1 are classics and mine still has 35k on the clock. lol

[blackbird1084]

I've got that issue also somewhere I guess I could hunt it up.

[Chased]

I think thats still up on their web site for everyone to read. One day Ill make the mag. Prob when Lt1 are classics and mine still has 35k on the clock. lol


they do too many red cars IMO:Dso good luck:shame: LOL

[AChotrod]

Theres never enough red cars.

[ksmyss]

i would be all over a shootout in memphis. depending on the date a fall race there would be killer.

I have lived in st. louis my whole life and raced at gateway since it was a small track facing the other direction. i have been going less and less each year due to how they run things. they just care about the dollar and nothing else. cleanups take forever and a day, picture your local city crews working on a sidewalk or something. we have been calling it wateway for years. last time we looked into it, which was years ago they wanted a small fortune to rent it out with a cap on the amount of cars and if we went over it the price made a huge jump.

if it is in st. louis i will still go and support it, as long as family stuff doesn't get in the way like the last 2 years, but i'm just giving you a heads up about the local track. if there is any break downs, oil downs or clean up needed it will kill your rental time.

[The Engineer]

I've also got a copy of that issue. However, finding it is yet another issue. :embarassed:

Warren