2011 Shootout

[Shon Herron]

When does the rules start being discussed?
I am fighting the desire to get an LT1 car just for this event, LMAO

Guess it would be too hard to do a bolt on class :jest: guess I could bring a bolt on car and compete with some H/C cars :laugh:

[jaysz2893]

if you all wanna watch a low 13 second bolt on show car then I am in.. LOL Any word if there will be a place for non racers to show off the LTx beauties (cars, well girls too)?

[Shon Herron]

if you all wanna watch a low 13 second bolt on show car then I am in.. LOL Any word if there will be a place for non racers to show off the LTx beauties (cars, well girls too)?
Bring it on down!! everyone has to start some where but if I bring a car it will not be a 13 second bolt on car :secret:

[jaysz2893]

I actually ended here. Had a 11 second 62 impy an 11 second 93 awd dsm. I got slower in my old age. LOL.

[AChotrod]

I was talking to you guys for a min or two but wasnt sure who was who. :shiner:

[abeane4]

if you all wanna watch a low 13 second bolt on show car then I am in.. LOL Any word if there will be a place for non racers to show off the LTx beauties (cars, well girls too)?

Don't feel bad I took a 13.6 sec car with no expectations and ended up winning the bracket class. Let me say I was VERY excited about it. So if you make the trip i think you should race. If nothing else it will up the car count!!

[1FASTSS]

Bring em all on!

Like others have said, you gotta start somewhere:shiner:

[Shon Herron]

Bring em all on!

Like others have said, you gotta start somewhere:shiner: your SS is one of the cleanest cars I have ever seen!!! LOVE IT!
after the event in hotel pl we watched you clean it, impressed, LOL

[ToxicFormula]

When does the rules start being discussed?
I am fighting the desire to get an LT1 car just for this event, LMAO

Guess it would be too hard to do a bolt on class :jest: guess I could bring a bolt on car and compete with some H/C cars :laugh:

Nothing wrong with just brining a bolt on car. Thats what I did.


if you all wanna watch a low 13 second bolt on show car then I am in.. LOL Any word if there will be a place for non racers to show off the LTx beauties (cars, well girls too)?

Jay, you better come next year and bring some more of the southern De. crew like Jim too! In '08 and this year, I've been the only person reppin De. (didn't make it in '09).


Don't feel bad I took a 13.6 sec car with no expectations and ended up winning the bracket class. Let me say I was VERY excited about it. So if you make the trip i think you should race. If nothing else it will up the car count!!

And I went with car that normally runs low 13's (13.3-13.4 at bowling green altitude) and ended up with runner up in the bracket class. Andy, you and I prove that ya don't always have to be fast to win :laugh:

[Paulster2]

Nothing wrong with just brining a bolt on car. Thats what I did.

Just in case you don't know (or didn't realize), Shon Herron holds the record with his 97 Z28 for a full bolt-on LT1 car (well, his former car). 11.8 at 113mph in the 1/4. I wouldn't want you guys to be surprised with your low 13 or high 12 second cars (respectable by all rights). Shon just knows how to Get 'Er Done !! :D Oh, and that's with an M6 and N/A.

[ToxicFormula]

Just in case you don't know (or didn't realize), Shon Herron holds the record with his 97 Z28 for a full bolt-on LT1 car (well, his former car). 11.8 at 113mph in the 1/4. I wouldn't want you guys to be surprised with your low 13 or high 12 second cars (respectable by all rights). Shon just knows how to Get 'Er Done !! :D Oh, and that's with an M6 and N/A.

Haha of course I know who Shon is and the record that he holds :laugh: And if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure Shon is from around my area actually

[jaysz2893]

Steve,

I am trying to get there next year. Jim's Ltx is gone and the 93 Pace Car is for sale too. He went all LSx (t-rex cam and all) on me.

My car at full weight with bald DR's and no LT's went 13.2. I have a 12.999 in her but I suck at driving it. all my "fast cars" were point and shoot Automatics...LOL I would like to see some cars there for exhibition purposes too. Some on posted about "show and go" next year. I think that woudl bring up the car count.

[Joker Z28]

I say lets have it in NC or SC next year. Be right in the middle for almost everyone.

[Shon Herron]

I am in South Carolina and I no longer have the silver 97 Z28 but after the shootout I am considering getting back into an LT1 just to go to this event and make some noise. time will tell if I can pull that off...

[Ray@NitroDaves.com]

Be right in the middle for almost everyone.

:hmm:

[Z8's]

:disagree::disagree:
:hmm:
The middle of who?:disagree:

[AChotrod]

:disagree::disagree:
The middle of who?:disagree:
Agreed:shame:

[Shon Herron]

It would only be a 4hr trip probably for me no matter what track you picked in SC/NC....but I really liked the BG track, I hope its there again!!!

Now, lets discuss rules changes.....if there are going to be any....I gotz some planning to do...

[AChotrod]

I would like to discuss the rules also. Not trying to take away Jeffs glory away but how in the heck are Brodix SBC converted heads allowed in the ES NA. SO basically any 23* head is allowed?? I dont think any aftermarket head intake or PCM is a good thing if you want to bring the numbers up in the class.

I think in the entry level class Stock heads, intake, pcm, stock style suspension, DOT tires (28x10.5 max), no electronic launch controls, full interior with both front seats, must retain opti, and a weight limit would suit the class awesome.

Dont hate me Jeff and you deserve your win. Im just saying the rules should be changed to fit an entry level type class. I dont see converted heads as entry level or AFR 227s etc as entry level stuff.

[BLK95-Z]

yea have it in Bowling Green again....right in the middle for everybody :shiner:

My car will be there next year for sure

[1badz]

I have a few nice tracks as suggestions for 2011. It would have to be winter though or else it will probably be raining :jest:

http://racepbir.com/

http://www.bradentonmotorsports.com/

http://www.orlandospeedworld.org/

Heh, road-trip anyone? :D

[BLK95-Z]

AC your car was hooking so good it sounded almost like it was gonna stall once. That thing is fast man. Even more beautiful in person to

[Shon Herron]

and lets clarify:
Must retain full OEM interior including both front seats.

What is considered FULL OEM Interior?

[proace4]

agreed Mikie! your car was freaking dead hookin. curious how you wouldve done on the spray... either way, i can understand how you are looking for a rule change, jeffs car hauls the mail!!! nothing to be taken away from that for sure.

[Nitro Dave]

Shon,
Your not joking there. I wish I could have a LT1 car to bring as well.. But I am better suited being Tonys grunt I guess.lol

[AChotrod]

Ya the car was hookin pretty good and bogged nasty as well. It actually ripped the shifter out of gear once(seat to far back). Problem is I used to launch at 4500 and it wasnt enough to get those 28s moving, I needed to launch off the limiter to make it work and I just didnt get it figured out. The other prob is the gearing, it was going through the traps at like 6200 instead of 6800-7k. The spray will cure that. I had a lot going on with the new set up and my driving was way off. Ill be back again next year with a tested set up. lol

[AChotrod]

Shon,
Your not joking there. I wish I could have a LT1 car to bring as well.. But I am better suited being Tonys grunt I guess.lol
Good meeting ya Dave!! Thanks for the swag! my car will wear it proudly!:cool:

[TWS]

I'm not one of the organizers, but at this moment their intention is to hold 2011 at Bowling Green again. Something could come up and force a venue change, but at this moment they intend to book Beech Bend again.

If it was up to me I'd be a lazy bastard and hold it at Crandall or Ennis and have a super easy drive. The car count might be cut in half, but I'll be chillin'. :D Luckily for the non Texas racers, Tony and Kyle are much more reasonable and go out of their way to pick a central location. The drive for us from central Texas to Bowling Green was no joke! :(

The location MUST be a somewhat central compromise or the event will be much smaller and could peter out. We have a core group from Texas and a core group from Chicago. If another numerically strong pack of participants from another area emerges, then it might sway decision making a little.

[AChotrod]

BG was great IMO. Ill go back or in my back yard. What evers best.

[alan]

and lets clarify:
Must retain full OEM interior including both front seats.

What is considered FULL OEM Interior?

i'd like to know that myself. And BG and its covered spectator area has my vote! 5hr drive is small compared to the TX guys, but a drive i'm willing to make anytime.

[faust]

tulsa, ok. has a nice track

[Paulster2]

Yah, I figured people know who Shon is. He's just such a great guy to deal with I wanted to tout his accomplishments for him. :hail::hail::hail::hail:

And Shon, you almost had a black Z28 roller here recently, didn't you? Someone just beat you to the punch. I know you were looking. It went to a great home and will probably have the engine in it this weekend if I know the buyer well enough ;) If I get anymore fed up with my car I might have a roller for you, lol!

[ZGOBYBY]

I'm happy with Bowling Green again. IF I could get a core group of guys to come from Michigan, that would be great. The pathetic thing is, is that this area I live in is crawling with LT1 F-Bodies, and a lot of Imps too. I've been getting the word out to my friends about how great the event was, and how much they need to go.

[79LT1Monte]

I loved the track at BG :heart:

It took us about 5 hours from St. Louis and it was well worth it! Next year's after party should be at Buffalo Wild Wings instead of the hotel resteraunt. Still in stumbling distance to the hotel :devil:

[abeane4]

^^^X2 BWW would have much better food and service!!

[Formula383]

I loved the track at BG :heart:

It took us about 5 hours from St. Louis and it was well worth it! Next year's after party should be at Buffalo Wild Wings instead of the hotel resteraunt. Still in stumbling distance to the hotel :devil:


^^^X2 BWW would have much better food and service!!

I tried to get us in a restaurant/sports bar on Saturday evening but no one would commit to anything due to it being the first weekend of college football. I think I talked to 5-6 places a few weeks in advance and even talked to BWW and another place called Double Dogs again on Friday afternoon. I know the hotel wasn't the best but it was about the only thing we had left. There's not too many places that can seat 50+ in additional to regular football night traffic. :(

[abeane4]

I didn't think of football starting that night but thats understandable!! Hopefully next year someone will let us in or the hotel will go a little smoother.

[1FASTSS]

I tried to get us in a restaurant/sports bar on Saturday evening but no one would commit to anything due to it being the first weekend of college football. I think I talked to 5-6 places a few weeks in advance and even talked to BWW and another place called Double Dogs again on Friday afternoon. I know the hotel wasn't the best but it was about the only thing we had left. There's not too many places that can seat 50+ in additional to regular football night traffic. :(

Hotel had...scooter racing, hot wings, hot bartender...and cold beer in my cooler along with some CAN beer in my glass....what more could you ask for. I liked not leaving...too many different schedules after racing all day.

TOOT'S is a great place too. We usually go there for the NHRA reunion stuff over fathers day weekend.

[Nocturnal Z]

Hotel had...scooter racing, hot wings, hot bartender...and cold beer in my cooler along with some CAN beer in my glass....what more could you ask for. I liked not leaving...too many different schedules after racing all day.
Amen :finger:

[AChotrod]

I had a great time at the hotel!!

[96LT1355Z28]

I'll go anywhere Tony and Kyle decide to have it next year. I had a blast at the first 2 in KC but probably more because it was 20 minutes from my house! BG was a great track and I won't hesitate to go back I know it was actually further for Tony than KC which shows his dedication to keeping it geographically central. I liked the after party at the hotel, the $ for food was high but I didn't have to worry about driving anywhere or stumbling very far. I just took my glass to the room and refilled it, which worked great till my wife got lazy and brought several cans down at once to the bar.:whistle: The bartender wasn't real excited about our operation and took our glasses, at least she waited till they were empty! So we found our way to the parking lot and watched the scooter racin!;) We decided to call it a night after the local PD showed up:doh:

[79LT1Monte]

Don't get me wrong, we had a great time at the hotel also, just not in the resteraunt. The scooter racing and cooler dancing were very entertaining. I say next year we just show up at BWW and take over the place.:devil:

[1994Z28]

I would like to discuss the rules also. Not trying to take away Jeffs glory away but how in the heck are Brodix SBC converted heads allowed in the ES NA. SO basically any 23* head is allowed?? I dont think any aftermarket head intake or PCM is a good thing if you want to bring the numbers up in the class.

I think in the entry level class Stock heads, intake, pcm, stock style suspension, DOT tires (28x10.5 max), no electronic launch controls, full interior with both front seats, must retain opti, and a weight limit would suit the class awesome.

Dont hate me Jeff and you deserve your win. Im just saying the rules should be changed to fit an entry level type class. I dont see converted heads as entry level or AFR 227s etc as entry level stuff.

Nobody really had a chance to beat him unless he broke and i wouldnt wish that on anybody. The rules are left open ended, so he was within right entering that class i suppose. 11.70's-90's to be competitive in that class last year to loooow 11's high 10's this year......:hmm: I looked at all the classes before entering as this was my first ever shootout and the ES N/A class seemed to be the closest matched more competitive class. I was either going to run it or bracket but thought the heads up stuff would be more fun and competitive. After seeing qualifying i was like damn so much for that LOL!! I think alot of ppl who would want to run it next year will have second thoughts and not run if somebody is going to cover the field by over a half second. The whole point in having the rules is to keep the cars closely matched and if thats not what ya want then all classes should be run what ya brung and hope ya brought enough........That being said, this is nothing against the guy in the Firehawk so don't hate me :heart:

[AChotrod]

If I were Jeff and they allowed it I would have done it also. no hate on him. With that said I think the rules need a change.

[Formula383]

So Mike, how do you think the rules should change? It seems like you've been unhappy with the rules all 3 years. We can't limit the ES classes to stock heads. I just don't see that happening. We can't limit by cubes (stroke or bore). So we limit by things that differentiate a street car from a race car, i.e. interior, chassis, suspension, weight, etc. We don't have the car count to support both a Stock and ES set of classes.

Do you think it would be fair to tell Taner he can't run in Mod P/A just because he is faster than everyone? No. His car fits the rules just as well as mine and on a good day he would cover most of the cars in that class by damn near a full second or even more in my case. The classes have always been pretty closely matched. There's always going to be outliers and we can't penalize someone for having a good setup.

On the flip side, if you want to have a stock engine class...how do you keep out GIZMO with his stock-headed motor that runs 10's? Also in ES N/A, Alan's car was only a little over 2 tenths off Jeff. That's pretty close racing in my book and he's a 6 speed.

[popo8]

I had a great time at the hotel!!


LOL, yeah you did.... you remember any of it bro???

[popo8]

I'll go anywhere Tony and Kyle decide to have it next year. I had a blast at the first 2 in KC but probably more because it was 20 minutes from my house! BG was a great track and I won't hesitate to go back I know it was actually further for Tony than KC which shows his dedication to keeping it geographically central. I liked the after party at the hotel, the $ for food was high but I didn't have to worry about driving anywhere or stumbling very far. I just took my glass to the room and refilled it, which worked great till my wife got lazy and brought several cans down at once to the bar.:whistle: The bartender wasn't real excited about our operation and took our glasses, at least she waited till they were empty! So we found our way to the parking lot and watched the scooter racin!;) We decided to call it a night after the local PD showed up:doh:


ahhh, those cops were pussy cats....... they werent there to cause us any grief.....

[popo8]

..... and cooler dancing were very entertaining........:devil:


she... will be very happy you mentioned that^^^

[hvyss]

So Mike, how do you think the rules should change? It seems like you've been unhappy with the rules all 3 years. We can't limit the ES classes to stock heads. I just don't see that happening. We can't limit by cubes (stroke or bore). So we limit by things that differentiate a street car from a race car, i.e. interior, chassis, suspension, weight, etc. We don't have the car count to support both a Stock and ES set of classes.

Do you think it would be fair to tell Taner he can't run in Mod P/A just because he is faster than everyone? No. His car fits the rules just as well as mine and on a good day he would cover most of the cars in that class by damn near a full second or even more in my case. The classes have always been pretty closely matched. There's always going to be outliers and we can't penalize someone for having a good setup.

On the flip side, if you want to have a stock engine class...how do you keep out GIZMO with his stock-headed motor that runs 10's? Also in ES N/A, Alan's car was only a little over 2 tenths off Jeff. That's pretty close racing in my book and he's a 6 speed.

I am not complaining but I knew in the finals we were going to get ours ass's handed to us by Jeff. I watched him and Alan run all day and both were almost a half second faster than the next qualifier (ME). It still was a great time though.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am also going to push hard this year on the Impala board to get more Bbody's to come to the event. There are several that I know of that are a hell of low faster than I am.

[alan]

i'm not sure what to say other than the car count has to be doubled or better to segregate stock cube'd street from extreme street, but do wish there would be enough for stock cube guys to congregate. Maybe the bracket classes would be best for stock cubers? That 13.50 bracket seems like good stuff for stock cubes stock to slight some bolt ons.

then you've got my man Shon Herron that will find 11's w/ a stock cube car quicklike...so on we go in hopes that weight/interior/exhaust/registration will help keep the street classes as fair as possible.

[1FASTSS]

I was against the tire rule change this year but my little 355 is running close enough to all the 383 to give me a chance still...its racing and to be honest..I think both classes in ES would have cars running 9's if the car was built for it.

Larry's car is just missing wipers and some weight and he could be in my class with his car and its in the 9's.

I shouldn't have a chance in hell against a 383/396 but like they say anything can happen in racing! I got spanked all day in qualifying.

The rules need to stay the same...and if anything we need to get rid of the DOT slick to even it out more but I'm OK with it.

This is more about having fun and running the cars...if you have the $$$ then you can build something to kick ass in and meet the rules for any class you want.

Mike, the issue is your and my cars are 355ci and just don't have the power on motor to consistently beat higher ci motors. Its just the fact. Do you really think Jeff's heads make that much more power than yours? I don't.

[alan]

I was against the tire rule change this year but my little 355 is running close enough to all the 383 to give me a chance still...its racing and to be honest..I think both classes in ES would have cars running 9's if the car was built for it.

Larry's car is just missing wipers and some weight and he could be in my class with his car and its in the 9's.

I shouldn't have a chance in hell against a 383/396 but like they say anything can happen in racing! I got spanked all day in qualifying.

The rules need to stay the same...and if anything we need to get rid of the DOT slick to even it out more but I'm OK with it.

This is more about having fun and running the cars...if you have the $$$ then you can build something to kick ass in and meet the rules for any class you want.

Mike, the issue is your and my cars are 355ci and just don't have the power on motor to consistently beat higher ci motors. Its just the fact. Do you really think Jeff's heads make that much more power than yours? I don't.


so you're saying radials only in both of the Extreme Street classes and no bias plys? i'd be good with that. If i can run a 6 speed w/ 4.11s on drag radials, anybody can make it work, and certainly in line w/ a class entitled "street". However, i didn't watch the ES/PA but think all of us were on DRs in the semi's and finals for ES/NA anyway.

[1FASTSS]

so you're saying radials only in both of the Extreme Street classes and no bias plys? i'd be good with that. If i can run a 6 speed w/ 4.11s on drag radials, anybody can make it work, and certainly in line w/ a class entitled "street". However, i didn't watch the ES/PA but think all of us were on DRs in the semi's and finals for ES/NA anyway.

I was on MT DR's too, I'm not 100% sure about Ty's car but I think he was on the same tire. I was spinning at the line some all day. It was my first time out this year and I need more seat time in the car.

Alan, you were hooking that thing all day look. I was impressed for sure. :peace2:

[79LT1Monte]

Just a suggestion but how about going back to a set index like last year and keep it heads up, no averaging three runs. Ray and I were talking about it after the race and he agreed, if we had more entries we could pair up index racers and keep the competion close. If your car runs 12.0 then you run next to someone running 12.0 and the first one to cross the stripe with out going faster than 12.0 wins. Depending on registations we could have as many classes as we need and every buget would have a competitive heads up race. Like I said just a suggestion, I will be there next year no matter what the class set up or location, we have had a blast all three years and love racing and hanging out with all of you gus and gals. :peace2:

[Speed Inc.]

So Mike, how do you think the rules should change? It seems like you've been unhappy with the rules all 3 years. We can't limit the ES classes to stock heads. I just don't see that happening. We can't limit by cubes (stroke or bore). So we limit by things that differentiate a street car from a race car, i.e. interior, chassis, suspension, weight, etc. We don't have the car count to support both a Stock and ES set of classes.

Do you think it would be fair to tell Taner he can't run in Mod P/A just because he is faster than everyone? No. His car fits the rules just as well as mine and on a good day he would cover most of the cars in that class by damn near a full second or even more in my case. The classes have always been pretty closely matched. There's always going to be outliers and we can't penalize someone for having a good setup.

On the flip side, if you want to have a stock engine class...how do you keep out GIZMO with his stock-headed motor that runs 10's? Also in ES N/A, Alan's car was only a little over 2 tenths off Jeff. That's pretty close racing in my book and he's a 6 speed.


I was against the tire rule change this year but my little 355 is running close enough to all the 383 to give me a chance still...its racing and to be honest..I think both classes in ES would have cars running 9's if the car was built for it.

Larry's car is just missing wipers and some weight and he could be in my class with his car and its in the 9's.

I shouldn't have a chance in hell against a 383/396 but like they say anything can happen in racing! I got spanked all day in qualifying.

The rules need to stay the same...and if anything we need to get rid of the DOT slick to even it out more but I'm OK with it.

This is more about having fun and running the cars...if you have the $$$ then you can build something to kick ass in and meet the rules for any class you want.

Mike, the issue is your and my cars are 355ci and just don't have the power on motor to consistently beat higher ci motors. Its just the fact. Do you really think Jeff's heads make that much more power than yours? I don't.

both make very good points

as Chris mentioned I have a stock head/intake car that has went 10.6@126 NA, so myself, GUMP/GIZMO and others have proven it's the combo and not just a given part. I could make my car legal if I wanted to and still be in the 10's all day long.

MOD PA : Taner was surely the man way ahead of the pack, but as much as we would like to tell him to leave the class you can't since he fits it. I have far less of a setup then him, but he built a sick combo within the rules and as we seen the guy with the most HP almost lost.

This is more of a fun event since us LTx guys have nothing and the rule bitching is never going to make things move forward. Tony, Kyle, Ray and others as we know do a lot for this for nothing and lets continue to try and make this as easy for them . I feel this event went very well and is only getting better each year with attendance and some awesome cars.

Mike we are all on the same team man and you just lacked gear and the driver mod to be more competitive in ES/NA imo.


so you're saying radials only in both of the Extreme Street classes and no bias plys? i'd be good with that. If i can run a 6 speed w/ 4.11s on drag radials, anybody can make it work, and certainly in line w/ a class entitled "street". However, i didn't watch the ES/PA but think all of us were on DRs in the semi's and finals for ES/NA anyway.


I was on MT DR's too, I'm not 100% sure about Ty's car but I think he was on the same tire. I was spinning at the line some all day. It was my first time out this year and I need more seat time in the car.

Alan, you were hooking that thing all day look. I was impressed for sure. :peace2:

radials work and Alan's 6 speed car surely was showing that pass after pass

[Badhawk]

I would like to discuss the rules also. Not trying to take away Jeffs glory away but how in the heck are Brodix SBC converted heads allowed in the ES NA. SO basically any 23* head is allowed?? I dont think any aftermarket head intake or PCM is a good thing if you want to bring the numbers up in the class.

I think in the entry level class Stock heads, intake, pcm, stock style suspension, DOT tires (28x10.5 max), no electronic launch controls, full interior with both front seats, must retain opti, and a weight limit would suit the class awesome.

Dont hate me Jeff and you deserve your win. Im just saying the rules should be changed to fit an entry level type class. I dont see converted heads as entry level or AFR 227s etc as entry level stuff.

Mike, I'm not hating but the rules stated heads must retain 23* valve angle which my heads do. I spoke with Kyle & Tony before entering this class and Tony said that I meet the rules for this class. The only reason I ran in Mod last year was my misinterpretation of the rules. With that said I told Larry I had certain goals to meet with this car and the result were a well thought out combo by Larry and the guys at Speed. I think my car runs decent but my 60's have a lot to do with the times my car runs.


Nobody really had a chance to beat him unless he broke and i wouldnt wish that on anybody. The rules are left open ended, so he was within right entering that class i suppose. 11.70's-90's to be competitive in that class last year to loooow 11's high 10's this year......:hmm: I looked at all the classes before entering as this was my first ever shootout and the ES N/A class seemed to be the closest matched more competitive class. I was either going to run it or bracket but thought the heads up stuff would be more fun and competitive. After seeing qualifying i was like damn so much for that LOL!! I think alot of ppl who would want to run it next year will have second thoughts and not run if somebody is going to cover the field by over a half second. The whole point in having the rules is to keep the cars closely matched and if thats not what ya want then all classes should be run what ya brung and hope ya brought enough........That being said, this is nothing against the guy in the Firehawk so don't hate me :heart:

I'm not taking offense to these comments so were good but, all the cars keep getting faster every year, go back to the first year then second then third and you will see the progression. I thought that was the whole goal ? if you get beat one year go home and build your stuff better for next year. Who want's to bring the same car every year knowing your going to be out gunned ? I know I don't. like I said before were all good but I hope to bring more next year.

[AChotrod]

Jeff I agree your car fit the rules just fine and Im not mad at you. You won fair and sqaure but heads are the most important pc to the entire combo. Yours are competely modified to work and would never just bolt on and IMO thats worse than a welded intake. I also think if larry added a few pounds and put on some wipers his car would fit better than yours. Taners car fits his class just fine no issue. This was supossed to be a entry level class and obviously its not.
As far as the DOT tire thing autos have 0 to loose if anything they could slow down.

[1FASTSS]

Jeff I agree your car fit the rules just fine and Im not mad at you. You won fair and sqaure but heads are the most important pc to the entire combo. Yours are competely modified to work and would never just bolt on and IMO thats worse than a welded intake. I also think if larry added a few pounds and put on some wipers his car would fit better than yours. Taners car fits his class just fine no issue. This was supossed to be a entry level class and obviously its not.
As far as the DOT tire thing autos have 0 to loose if anything they could slow down.

Dude...come on now...you wanted DOT slicks...you get the rule changed and you bogg all day at the line...now you need to give Jeff shit about his heads...they meet the rules as posted...WTF is the problem? If you think they are that much better than yours, all you have to do is get them and throw them on your car:heart:

I think you just need to worry about your own setup and move on. Trophys and mag features are not what this race is about...its about having fun with your friends...:rolleyes:

[Badhawk]

Dude...come on now...you wanted DOT slicks...you get the rule changed and you bogg all day at the line...now you need to give Jeff shit about his heads...they meet the rules as posted...WTF is the problem? If you think they are that much better than yours, all you have to do is get them and throw them on your car:heart:

I think you just need to worry about your own setup and move on. Trophys and mag features are not what this race is about...its about having fun with your friends...:rolleyes:




Thanks Chris, that about covers it in a nutshell.

[AChotrod]

Im not giving Jeff shit, I congratulate him on the win and he didnt do anything wrong. I think its a bad rule or should I say lack of clarification on the rules, and ya Im going to mention it if i dont think its a good rule for the class. Hell I knew I was out gunned when Alan and Bolo entered but had no issues with their cars because IMO they do fit the rules just fine. I did not think SBC converted heads and a worked intake to fit the heads was OK but I guess you can do whatever as long as they are 23* heads. Also whats the difference if his heads work better than mine or not. They are converted heads to fit a motor they should never fit on, I just dont see how that is entry level reguardless of performance.

Chris about the tire rule, every single person running a 6spd agreed with me and most a4 guys didnt care. I dont have the power to change rules but the people that do must have agreed with me or the rule wouldnt have changed. Dont blame me for that one, I just spoke my pc about it. Oh and Bias ply tires werent my prob it was too big of tires for my set up NA and no testing with them prior.

Im not going to run ES classes in the future Id rather just build my car the way I want it and race in a class that I think the rules fit the cars in it, even if Im out gunned just like this yr. So they can keep or change the rule, it wont effect me, but dont think its cool for the other guys running the class or wanting to run that class. Winning is nice but its not why I go either.

[1FASTSS]

Im not giving Jeff shit, I congratulate him on the win and he didnt do anything wrong. I think its a bad rule or should I say lack of clarification on the rules, and ya Im going to mention it if i dont think its a good rule for the class. Hell I knew I was out gunned when Alan and Bolo entered but had no issues with their cars because IMO they do fit the rules just fine. I did not think SBC converted heads and a worked intake to fit the heads was OK but I guess you can do whatever as long as they are 23* heads. Also whats the difference if his heads work better than mine or not. They are converted heads to fit a motor they should never fit on, I just dont see how that is entry level reguardless of performance.

Chris about the tire rule, every single person running a 6spd agreed with me and most a4 guys didnt care. I dont have the power to change rules but the people that do must have agreed with me or the rule wouldnt have changed. Dont blame me for that one, I just spoke my pc about it. Oh and Bias ply tires werent my prob it was too big of tires for my set up NA and no testing with them prior.

Im not going to run ES classes in the future Id rather just build my car the way I want it and race in a class that I think the rules fit the cars in it, even if Im out gunned just like this yr. So they can keep or change the rule, it wont effect me, but dont think its cool for the other guys running the class or wanting to run that class. Winning is nice but its not why I go either.

We all know your not giving Jeff shit...your give the people who run the LTX shootout shit becuase you don't like the rules...They came up with these rules becuase the event needs to get as many cars as possible into every class there is. The rules have to be left open some becuase of this. If it were NHRA or IHRA then we would have the time and manpower to check heads/cam and ci, but its not and this isn't about that. Its about having fun.

To be honset I wouldn't think it too fair to run 355ci car vs. a 383ci car at the same weight...but I haven't lobbied for a rule change becuase there were only 2 cars in my class this year and racing is racing. I had fun and thats what its all about. I take pride in a good running combo and don't look to the rules to get things changed...I change the car!

Now this is 2 years in a row where you have said the rules needs to be looked at. You even said yourself your not even going to run in this class so why even bring it up? No one else from ES has?

I think your on the right track building the car how you want and running in the mod class. There are less rules to follow.

[AChotrod]

Im not giving Tony, Kyle or Ray shit and they do a great job putting the event together, I think it was just something not clearly specified in the rules that should be looked at. Now they can look at it and change it if they want.

I dunno I guess Im the only one that thinks the ENTRY level heads up class should be limited to stockish parts.

IMO I dont think allowing converted heads will help out the car count in that class though. Do you really think it will? Id be willing to bet most cars that ran that class wont again when they know you need to be a 10sec car to have a chance and same with anyone thinking about it next yr. NOBODY had a chance in hell to win unless he broke. Maybe its the heads, maybe not but they are not LT1 heads either way. What I dont get as how people dont agree that it is a modified headed car and should not be a ES class car. How is that fair but a intake is not. Hell throw some AFR227s on it and I would be cool with it since they are LT1 parts but theres no way in hell Ill ever agree taking heads from a different engine modifing them and the intake to work is a ES class car. Im against any aftermarket head in the class as well but at least they were made for a LT1s and not modified to fit so im fine with it.

[gump]

Mike,

I hear what you are saying. But, what you are asking for is tough to police. The same goes for Shon's idea. This deal really isn't big enough to be more than a grudge match with trophies. Even if you restrict the heads these classes will only get faster. Start pulling valve covers, etc. and you will probably have a lot of hard feelings. The true entry level classes are bracket and index.

Now, go work on that hot rod!

Daren

[AChotrod]

We would have to rely on the honesty of the racers and if you did get caught cheating you should be perma banned from the race and live with the fact everyone on the net knows your a cheater. I just dont see it happening with our crowd. Plus most aftermarket heads are clearly marked on the front of the heads. Worst case you pull a VC in a couple min if someone does call you out.

[Z8's]

Not to throw fuel on the fire Mike......................but I beleive the only trhing keeping Larry's car from this class is windsheild wipers and his car would STOMP on Jeff's car.Look at the ThunderChicken he was only 3 /10ths of Jeffs car with a 6 speed!! put an auto in it he is right there with him. I think that people would be shocked at how fast an LT1 could go with the rules the way you would like them to be written.

[AChotrod]

I agree^^^ and I dont have any issue with either of their cars. I have an issue with being aloud to take heads from another motor modding them and the intake to fit a engine they dont belong on, and running in the ES NA Class.

[Z8's]

I am pretty sure that you can call Brodix and they will sell you a set of heads for an LT1.:cool:

[AChotrod]

Lol they will convert them ie. modify them for you.

Doesnt matter Im not running that class again. I was just looking out for the guys that might want to move up to a heads up class and the guys that might reenter it again next yr. Which I have a feeling wont be many knowing you need a 10sec car to compete. Id bet at least 3-4 cars wont reenter. I got my point across & Im done here. I will worry about my own car like Chris said.

[Z8's]

All the AFR's are just converted SBC's:whistle:

[AChotrod]

Good thing your not trying to fuel the fire :doh: I see AFRs as LT1 specific heads and they are listed that way just like TFS, Dart, Patriot etc..and stock intakes bolt to them unmodified. Brodix I cant even find LT1 mentioned once on their site and they dont make them for LT1s they convert them. BTW If you didnt read it all Im not cool with any aftermarket head in that class but I dont write the rules so lets just move on.

[Badhawk]

All I can say is I wouldn't have ran in this class had I known all this bullshit was going to happen. Tony, Kyle & Ray have done a great thing putting this race together for all us LT1 enthusiast and the constant bitching about rule changes has got to be getting on their nerves. Mike, don't worry I wont run this class again Tony & Kyle don't need all this drama . All I want is to attend another shootout.



Winning is important but it ain't everything.

[AChotrod]

Screw that Jeff if the rules allow it run it. I will not be running it for other reasons like a th350 swap etc. You know your one of my favorite people on the boards and more power to ya if the rules allow it!!!

[Z8's]

Good thing your not trying to fuel the fire :doh:. BTW If you didnt read it all Im not cool with any aftermarket head in that class but I dont write the rules so lets just move on.I agree with you .............But factory lt1/lt4 heads and intake in the right hands can and have made killer power, there really hasn't been a class killer show up at the Shootout yet.

[Shon Herron]

I agree with that statement above!

[1badz]

So, About the 2011 shootout.... :D

[Badhawk]

Mike, I want the event to grow and be the best it can be, so if Kyle or Tony were to make a change on the rules based of your comments there would be no hard feelings. The growth of the event and keeping it going is what's most important to me. I have meet some very cool people at the shootout I would consider friends and I would not want that to change.

[1FASTSS]

I agree with you .............But factory lt1/lt4 heads and intake in the right hands can and have made killer power, there really hasn't been a class killer show up at the Shootout yet.

There is always next year:secret:

[1994Z28]

The 350, 355, 383 ect.........debate isn't really an issue. Sure your bottom end means alot but your heads/cam/intake combo is where the power is at. I know of MANY stock cube and 355's that would hurt alot of 383 and 396 feelings :D:secret: Oh, and slicks are overrated, real drivers can hook drag radials ;)

[Nocturnal Z]

I say leave the rules for ESNA alone. IMO the rules are fine the way they are, and I will be in that class again next year.

Sorry Mikey, I don't think the converted heads are any advantage at all. Mainly because we are all required to have a stock intake. Seriously, your heads can only flow what your intake can, right? I don't feel that Jeff's combo with converted heads bends the rules anymore than my combo with a modified '93 intake and solid-roller valvetrain do. Just my honest opinion. And Chris is right, Brodix will prepare any of their SBC heads as an LTx head for a fee if you just call them. That makes them a bolt-on LTx head just like AFR, TFS, etc like you mentioned. Granted, Jeff's were converted after the fact, but I'm betting he bought his heads before Brodix offered this service.

This class, as with all the others, is bound to only get faster. I recognized this after last year, and knowing I wouldn't have it easy I was preparing to bring alot more power to the table this year. I'm fairly certain that had it not been for some bad luck for me a few days before the shootout, my new combo would have faired pretty well against the top guys in that class. Not saying I would have won, just sayin I don't think I would've been completely outgunned. Even with my puny 350ci and ported stock castings ;)

But I do see what you're saying about an entry level heads-up class, there are alot of cars that are kinda caught in the middle...problem is those cars haven't been attending the last three years. So why cater to them if there's not gonna be much of a turnout? IMO until the car count each year starts to climb well above 40ish, I'd say the entry-level classes need to remain bracket and index. If we were to start seeing more H/C daily drivers combo cars (read: mid 12 to high 11 ets on factory style wheels and radials) starting to attend maybe we could add a "true street" style class that would be more strict on stock-style and "street only" parts. Until then, I vote leave the classes as they are.

[Formula383]

I say leave the rules for ESNA alone. IMO the rules are fine the way they are, and I will be in that class again next year.

Sorry Mikey, I don't think the converted heads are any advantage at all. Mainly because we are all required to have a stock intake. Seriously, your heads can only flow what your intake can, right? I don't feel that Jeff's combo with converted heads bends the rules anymore than my combo with a modified '93 intake and solid-roller valvetrain do. Just my honest opinion. And Chris is right, Brodix will prepare any of their SBC heads as an LTx head for a fee if you just call them. That makes them a bolt-on LTx head just like AFR, TFS, etc like you mentioned. Granted, Jeff's were converted after the fact, but I'm betting he bought his heads before Brodix offered this service.

This class, as with all the others, is bound to only get faster. I recognized this after last year, and knowing I wouldn't have it easy I was preparing to bring alot more power to the table this year. I'm fairly certain that had it not been for some bad luck for me a few days before the shootout, my new combo would have faired pretty well against the top guys in that class. Not saying I would have won, just sayin I don't think I would've been completely outgunned. Even with my puny 350ci and ported stock castings ;)

But I do see what you're saying about an entry level heads-up class, there are alot of cars that are kinda caught in the middle...problem is those cars haven't been attending the last three years. So why cater to them if there's not gonna be much of a turnout? IMO until the car count each year starts to climb well above 40ish, I'd say the entry-level classes need to remain bracket and index. If we were to start seeing more H/C daily drivers combo cars (read: mid 12 to high 11 ets on factory style wheels and radials) starting to attend maybe we could add a "true street" style class that would be more strict on stock-style and "street only" parts. Until then, I vote leave the classes as they are.


This is 100% right on the money. This is exactly why we preach on getting the car count up. If we can get some more cars, it would be feasible to have a True Street class. I think it would be awesome but as previously stated the entry level classes for now are Bracket and Index. With such a low car count it makes it impossible to cater to everyone's setups so we have to make the rules open enough to get cars there first.

[gump]

This is 100% right on the money. This is exactly why we preach on getting the car count up. If we can get some more cars, it would be feasible to have a True Street class. I think it would be awesome but as previously stated the entry level classes for now are Bracket and Index. With such a low car count it makes it impossible to cater to everyone's setups so we have to make the rules open enough to get cars there first.

I don't think that you will ever be able to police a True Street class. You will always get one guy that moves down from another class to take advantage. The stricter you make the rules the harder the tech. Right now, the rules allow a wide range of cars to run. If you make a really narrow set of rules potential competitors will have to build a spec. car, which really isn't feasible for a one day race. For the record, a stock internals, heavily restricted class would be right up my alley. I would be more than willing to tear down if I won. I wonder how many others would do the same?

[Formula383]

Honestly, I don't ever want to host any event where we will have to police people's setups and definitely do not want to do any tear downs. I'm aware of the difficulties but I would be open to the idea of this type of class. What I am more leaning towards is more of a heads up class for cars with bolt-ons like gears, headers, exhaust, CAI's, etc with stock suspension, full interior, higher minimum weight and limited drag radial sizes. I want the daily driver type guys that don't have built race cars to come and have a place to run heads up.

[ZGOBYBY]

Yeah, a true street class would be killer, and I would be done for that. I am gonna do my best to get as many guys to come down to the next Shootout as possible. With the amount of LT1s running around my area, I could have a freaking caravan of them. The event takes all sorts of cars, from stock to Outlaw. I think attendence is the determining factor here on how the classes are set up.

[AChotrod]

I agree with you .............But factory lt1/lt4 heads and intake in the right hands can and have made killer power, there really hasn't been a class killer show up at the Shootout yet.
I agree 100% and would awesome to see a stock H/I car do it.

Mike, I want the event to grow and be the best it can be, so if Kyle or Tony were to make a change on the rules based of your comments there would be no hard feelings. The growth of the event and keeping it going is what's most important to me. I have meet some very cool people at the shootout I would consider friends and I would not want that to change.
Yes we have and I will try and make every event win or lose. Its very very cool of you to say you wouldnt run it again but if you fit the rules I have 0 prob.


The 350, 355, 383 ect.........debate isn't really an issue. Sure your bottom end means alot but your heads/cam/intake combo is where the power is at. I know of MANY stock cube and 355's that would hurt alot of 383 and 396 feelings :D:secret: Oh, and slicks are overrated, real drivers can hook drag radials ;)
I agree 100% with you too except the slick part(on a M6 cars) although I will try the Hoosier DRs next as they seem to work awesome on every car ive seen with them. CI dont scare me either.


This is 100% right on the money. This is exactly why we preach on getting the car count up. If we can get some more cars, it would be feasible to have a True Street class. I think it would be awesome but as previously stated the entry level classes for now are Bracket and Index. With such a low car count it makes it impossible to cater to everyone's setups so we have to make the rules open enough to get cars there first.
Would be cool to have a true street class, but understand if its not feasible at this time. I really think it would up the car count. Lots of guys wont come because index and bracket are just not the same as racing a heads up class. Problem is the ES class is the entry level heads up class for now and unless your in the 10s or very very close you pretty much have no chance so why bother. Not many LT1s can meet the rules and go that fast, so I was just thinking some tighter engine rules would have helped keep the class more closely grouped and up the car count. This yr it ranged from high 12s to 10s. Thats a huge gap.

Honestly, I don't ever want to host any event where we will have to police people's setups and definitely do not want to do any tear downs. I'm aware of the difficulties but I would be open to the idea of this type of class. What I am more leaning towards is more of a heads up class for cars with bolt-ons like gears, headers, exhaust, CAI's, etc with stock suspension, full interior, higher minimum weight and limited drag radial sizes. I want the daily driver type guys that don't have built race cars to come and have a place to run heads up.
I would hope with our crowd you would never have to, sorry for the cluster fuck thread but If I feel I think something should or could be changed or help the event I should say it, even if people dont agree with me. lol As far as the rule goes I will support the event 100% either way just wanted to get it off my chest. You guys are a huge asset to the LTX community and Im not trying to give you any grief just speaking my mind. Whatever you guys decide im good with it.

[AChotrod]

oh PS I heard the Holley LS fest only had 30 cars drag racing we had 40:metal:

[Tony Shepherd]

Im just lurking.:secret:

Trying to keep my mouth shut. :laugh:

Thank you to all of you for keeping your cool in this thread.

[1badz]

oh PS I heard the Holley LS fest only had 30 cars drag racing we had 40:metal:

LTX shootout > Holley LS fest


:shiner:

[ZGOBYBY]

LTX shootout > Holley LS fest


:shiner:


NICE Bros!!! LT1s FTMFW!

[Speed Inc.]

Screw that Jeff if the rules allow it run it. I will not be running it for other reasons like a th350 swap etc. You know your one of my favorite people on the boards and more power to ya if the rules allow it!!!

gonna make that sweet car a race car with that TH350

I will enjoy my 60E and request a rule change for 4L60E's in any class you race.




















J/K :laugh:

[AChotrod]

I cant afford a 60e :jest:

[Speed Inc.]

poor excuse!

sell T56 setup
sell TH350 setup

find someone who wants either which might have a built 60E to trade

[AChotrod]

Im keeping the m6 for future use and the 350 should be faster than a 60e. Since the car doesnt see tons of street time and this race is only one day of the yr, I figure I should build the car how I want it for the rest of the yr and just race whatever class it fits in. I think I have like 300 miles on the car this yr total. :(

[1FASTSS]

The 350, 355, 383 ect.........debate isn't really an issue. Sure your bottom end means alot but your heads/cam/intake combo is where the power is at. I know of MANY stock cube and 355's that would hurt alot of 383 and 396 feelings :D:secret: Oh, and slicks are overrated, real drivers can hook drag radials ;)

What? Then they are built like crap becuase I know if I put my heads and intake a top a 383 or 396 i will make a little more power but a hole lot more torque to get my pig ass heavy car off the line quicker...The power is in the heads but without the cylinder volume below it can only take you so far.

Like Darren said this is grudge racing and I am perfectly fine with it.

[Speed Inc.]

Im keeping the m6 for future use and the 350 should be faster than a 60e. Since the car doesnt see tons of street time and this race is only one day of the yr, I figure I should build the car how I want it for the rest of the yr and just race whatever class it fits in. I think I have like 300 miles on the car this yr total. :(

get that shit in and grab a lane :cool:

[Formula383]

get that shit in and grab a lane :cool:

I like the way this guy thinks... :laugh:

[1FASTSS]

get that shit in and grab a lane :cool:

Oh snap:laugh:

[AChotrod]

:jest:Ihttp://ltxtech.com/forums/../images/smilies/jest.gif cant afford a torque converter either :shiner: I did however get the N20 fuel line fixed and going to GLD on Fri for some testing.:secret: I also want to see what happens NA turning up the 2-step and launching around 6500

[Speed Inc.]

good luck testing

[Shon Herron]

Im keeping the m6 for future use and the 350 should be faster than a 60e.
I bet not, the 1st gear in the A4 is 3.06, need that to get these boats out of the hole, we normally upgrade to a 2.75 1st in the Th350 but still, the A4 first gear pulls the car hard and the 60' shows if you got a GOOD TC, and you need a GOOD TC no matter what auto you go with, not some cheapo $400 deal, I am talking Yank, Vig, or some other GOOD $700+ TCs.

I like the discussion and if I am not stepping on some toes, I would like to be in the rules discussion.
but as for as the current set up, encourage EVERYONE to come and participate, there is more to the event than winning.

[1badz]

there is more to the event than winning.

Definitely.. Hoping to join next year. Not planning on breaking any records or even winning. I want to go and do what we all should have as a common interest. Watch/race LTX cars and meet/hang out with you people. I know it's a competition as well, but from what I have gathered, it's more or less getting together and having a blast. At least that's what I plan on doing :)

[AChotrod]

I bet not, the 1st gear in the A4 is 3.06, need that to get these boats out of the hole, we normally upgrade to a 2.75 1st in the Th350 but still, the A4 first gear pulls the car hard and the 60' shows if you got a GOOD TC, and you need a GOOD TC no matter what auto you go with, not some cheapo $400 deal, I am talking Yank, Vig, or some other GOOD $700+ TCs.

I like the discussion and if I am not stepping on some toes, I would like to be in the rules discussion.
but as for as the current set up, encourage EVERYONE to come and participate, there is more to the event than winning.
Hmm.... Ive always heard the th350 was better for drag racing,lighter with lighter internals to free up powa.
Im either going with a Chance or ATI converter. The 350 is fully built with a JW bell and all internals, but not positive if the gearing was changed. It will be a 4000+ stall th350 RMVB and 4.10s with 28" tires and approx 600rwhp. Im thinking it should get down pretty good.

Thanks Larry!! Wish I could make to byron on sunday or you could come up friday. Kinda sucks being a one man operation sometimes

[AChotrod]

Definitely.. Hoping to join next year. Not planning on breaking any records or even winning. I want to go and do what we all should have as a common interest. Watch/race LTX cars and meet/hang out with you people. I know it's a competition as well, but from what I have gathered, it's more or less getting together and having a blast. At least that's what I plan on doing :)
Def make your way up next yr. I knew I didnt have a chance this yr but I wouldnt miss it for anything!! The entire event and gathering is a blast!!

[Phstratton]

When does the rules start being discussed?
I am fighting the desire to get an LT1 car just for this event, LMAO

Guess it would be too hard to do a bolt on class :jest: guess I could bring a bolt on car and compete with some H/C cars :laugh:

Lol, I've got a roller I'll sell you :P

[gump]

You have to be carefull when choosing gear combinations. A deep low gear is not always best. The spread betwean 1st and 2nd can often be a killer.

Just something to keep in mind.

[Badhawk]

get that shit in and grab a lane :cool:


lmfao. :laugh::claps:

[BLK95-Z]

I think we should have a foot race class to....:secret:

[AChotrod]

You have to be carefull when choosing gear combinations. A deep low gear is not always best. The spread betwean 1st and 2nd can often be a killer.

Just something to keep in mind.
Just double checked. My th350 is a stock ratio trans. What would you recommend for rear gears with 28s or do you think my plan is pretty good?

[1badz]

Just double checked. My th350 is a stock ratio trans. What would you recommend for rear gears with 28s or do you think my plan is pretty good?

FWIW, I am running stock gears in my TH350, 28" tires and 3.42 gears. Car feels great. Haven't ran it on the spray yet - should be more than enough tire/gear. This was my daily up until a year ago, which explains the 3.42 rear gear. Going to see if I can get away with a 4.10+ and if it will benefit me..

[n2ocamaro]

I bet not, the 1st gear in the A4 is 3.06, need that to get these boats out of the hole, we normally upgrade to a 2.75 1st in the Th350 but still, the A4 first gear pulls the car hard and the 60' shows if you got a GOOD TC, and you need a GOOD TC no matter what auto you go with, not some cheapo $400 deal, I am talking Yank, Vig, or some other GOOD $700+ TCs.

You can't really compare lock-up converter prices to non-lock up prices. You can get good converters for the turbo 350/400s in the $400 range. I have a PTC 3800 with anti-ballooning plates that I got for $400. 60's in my sig with a 2.48 1st. ;)

[gump]

You can't really compare lock-up converter prices to non-lock up prices. You can get good converters for the turbo 350/400s in the $400 range. I have a PTC 3800 with anti-ballooning plates that I got for $400. 60's in my sig with a 2.48 1st. ;)

Wrong in so many ways.....

[n2ocamaro]

Wrong in so many ways.....

Care to elaborate?

[Gumby]

Just double checked. My th350 is a stock ratio trans. What would you recommend for rear gears with 28s or do you think my plan is pretty good?


3.55ish

[Shon Herron]

Care to elaborate?NOPE :laugh:
i will just come out and beat ya :shiner: Just joking, you wont see me in a car....

[gump]

Care to elaborate?

From experience, this is not a good place to save money. Stall converters are one of those "you get what you pay for" things. A good N/A converter will cost north of $600.00. A really good one will cost $900.00+. And don't expect to get it right the first time out.

(We have gone low 1.4's with a stock internals, N/A LT1 at 3000 lbs)

[AChotrod]

3.55ish
K Im planning on a spool soon so I might as well change gears at the same time if needed. Maybe get a light weight spool, drill the axles and have the rear shortened 1" per side. What if I went to a 29" tire??? I need to win the lotto:doh:

[1badz]

I need to win the lotto:doh:

I find myself saying that every time I think of something to do to the car..

[1FASTSS]

I find myself saying that every time I think of something to do to the car..

Hell, I wanna spend around $3K in parts to loose about #90-100 lbs off the car...but thats racin':D

I think Mr. Gump is more than right. I think I've been through 3 - $700+ converter and probably need to look at it again sometime when I get the car dialed in 95%. It really isn't a place not to skimp on and plan on going through a few of them.

[n2ocamaro]

From experience, this is not a good place to save money. Stall converters are one of those "you get what you pay for" things. A good N/A converter will cost north of $600.00. A really good one will cost $900.00+. And don't expect to get it right the first time out.

(We have gone low 1.4's with a stock internals, N/A LT1 at 3000 lbs)

Wasn't trying to save money. I went to a trans builder locally who specializes in race transmissions. He asked for the weight, hp, tq, gear ratio, tire size, and amount of nitrous and specified a converter based on that. He didn't ask for a price point. I assumed I was getting a good converter. I know you generally don't get it right the first time. Mine probably needs to be adjusted, honestly not sure how to tell:embarassed:. You know more than me so I'll take your word for it.

(Purpose built, NHRA spec, race car and my near full weight, street car, built on a budget = apples and oranges)

[Gumby]

Just a suggestion http://www.ultimateconverter.com/

[gump]

(Purpose built, NHRA spec, race car and my near full weight, street car, built on a budget = apples and oranges)

What does that have to do with this conversation? My point was that there is a bunch of ET to be gained in converter. I am seriously thinking about building a budget car just to stop all the crying.

[BLK95-Z]

What does that have to do with this conversation? My point was that there is a bunch of ET to be gained in converter. I am seriously thinking about building a budget car just to stop all the crying.

I think he means hes not a professional race car builder with vast knowledge about converters, he has a backyard built weekend warrior. A $1000 converter seems like a bit much if you dont know any different.

[355z28]

I agree on the converter. I do run a Circle D in my 4L60. I am going to have them adjust it for the first time this winter for the spray to come for next year. But I will be saving for an ATI converter to try something new.

Darrel Our setups are close, and your 60' is great. I do know of some people running PTC converters here in Iowa, but nobody has track tested them, nor have a setup consitant enough to see if there converter changes helped. They mainly did it just to do it.

[1FASTSS]

I am seriously thinking about building a budget car just to stop all the crying.

I would love to see that;) as long as its in ESNA...lol

[Z8's]

I run a Yank In my LS1 car and I run an UltimateConvertor in my Outlaw LT1 car .;)

[1badz]

FWIW, My Transmission-Specialties 10" billet converter for my TH350 ran me about $600. Car feels awesome. Always in the power band. Unfortunately no track times (yet) to prove anything, and nothing to compare to either. I would definitely listen to gump though. Seems like he knows a thing or two :D

[gump]

I think he means hes not a professional race car builder with vast knowledge about converters, he has a backyard built weekend warrior.

All my junk is built in one bay of my two bay garage. I have a job that takes up most of my time and a wife that is addicted to Disney. I am far from a professional race anything.

(You do know that Stock Eliminator is a SPORTSMAN class, right?)



A $1000 converter seems like a bit much if you dont know any different.

That is a really good point. And, the reason that I posted. There really is magic in converter choice! If I drove my car every day I would run a reasonably priced 10" converter. I would also change it out for the Shootout!


Just so you know, I wasn't trying to make him mad and I'm not trying to make you mad either. I love the LTX platform and I really like to see all you guys go fast.

[gump]

I would love to see that;) as long as its in ESNA...lol

Thinking about a 302 with a turbo.......

[Badhawk]

I agree on the converter. I do run a Circle D in my 4L60. I am going to have them adjust it for the first time this winter for the spray to come for next year. But I will be saving for an ATI converter to try something new.

Darrel Our setups are close, and your 60' is great. I do know of some people running PTC converters here in Iowa, but nobody has track tested them, nor have a setup consitant enough to see if there converter changes helped. They mainly did it just to do it.



I have a Circle D also and my car was cutting 1.42, 1.43's at the shootout all day 3500 lb car. I would love to see some 1.3's on motor.

[1994Z28]

From experience, this is not a good place to save money. Stall converters are one of those "you get what you pay for" things. A good N/A converter will cost north of $600.00. A really good one will cost $900.00+. And don't expect to get it right the first time out.

(We have gone low 1.4's with a stock internals, N/A LT1 at 3000 lbs)


I have to highly disagree with you here. We have ran many diff types of converters in our cars from lower end TCI's to higher end Edge converters. My cam only 94 Camaro ran a best of 11.83@115 with a cheap TCI 3000 stall in a 60e pulling low 1.6 60's. The Black Impala i was in at the Shootout has a $450 PTC converter in a 60e set up for the bottle and it pulls 1.57 60's N/A runs 11.50's N/A and weighs 4000lbs.......Another buddy has a 95 Z28 that runs 9.40's on the bottle through a TH350 and PTC converter. Not saying cheap is the way to go, but there is some high quality very affordable converters out there that i wouldn't be affraid to use and have used:cool:

[n2ocamaro]

What does that have to do with this conversation? My point was that there is a bunch of ET to be gained in converter. I am seriously thinking about building a budget car just to stop all the crying.

You brought it up! "(We have gone low 1.4's with a stock internals, N/A LT1 at 3000 lbs)" That to me said you were comparing your 60' times to mine. My point in the beginning was I felt like my converter performed really well for a $400 converter that someone else called "cheapo" and said if someone wanted a good 60' you have to go spend $700+. Yes, I know Gump knows a thing or two. I already said he knows more than me. I'll try a "better" converter as soon as I can afford to.

[1badz]

^ Touche brother. $$$ helps. I can't wait to finish school...

[n2ocamaro]

All my junk is built in one bay of my two bay garage. I have a job that takes up most of my time and a wife that is addicted to Disney. I am far from a professional race anything.

(You do know that Stock Eliminator is a SPORTSMAN class, right?)




That is a really good point. And, the reason that I posted. There really is magic in converter choice! If I drove my car every day I would run a reasonably priced 10" converter. I would also change it out for the Shootout!


Just so you know, I wasn't trying to make him mad and I'm not trying to make you mad either. I love the LTX platform and I really like to see all you guys go fast.
Not really mad. I just defend my opinions strongly. A little too strongly sometimes:whistle:

[n2ocamaro]

Not really mad. I just defend my opinions strongly. A little too strongly sometimes:whistle:

Also, if you would have started with this line "There really is magic in converter choice!" instead of "Wrong, in so many ways". It would have come off much less arrogant, even though you probably didn't mean it that way.

[Nocturnal Z]

I would love to see that;) as long as its in ESNA...lol
:laugh:...:cry:

[ZGOBYBY]

When I have the dinero, I am going with a Neal Chance 4000 for sure. My shitty converter killed me at the Shootout.

[BLK95-Z]

Just so you know, I wasn't trying to make him mad and I'm not trying to make you mad either. I love the LTX platform and I really like to see all you guys go fast.

:laugh: far from mad! I understood the apples and oranges quote and was just commenting.

I love all this race car smack talkin....this is were a noob like me might learn something. Although Ive got an m6 Im still very interested in the converter info you more experienced guys have.

[1FASTSS]

Thinking about a 302 with a turbo.......

Figures...:doh:

I would love to see this though. Sounds like a great plan.;)

What class are you planning on running it in elsewhere?

[BLK WS6]

Well I’ve just read this entire thread…I’m usually not one to get in the middle of things, but I’m a strong supporter of this event and you like to see the event grow in a positive manner. First, no I did not race my car at the event. I won’t flood my post with excuses of why my car wasn’t ready but I did go and support the event. Also I would like to add that I would like to think I was very instrumental in this year’s LS1LT1s sponsorship…but we couldn’t have done it with the members’ donations!:D

With that said, my initial thought after seeing the results from the ES NA is that most people are going to see it as “I have to bring a 10 second car to the event to be competitive”. I would hate for that to be the case. Yes, I aware of the index and bracket classes (I plan on running in index next year)…but reality is that’s the common response (especially after talking to some of the local LT1 owners). So here my thought…if the event is not at a point to add a “slower” class to the event, maybe something else can be added to draw this (and I hate to say it) “slower” or even non-drag racing crowd.
For example (maybe someone can correct me) I didn’t see one single LT1 corvette at the event. This is Bowling Green, KY we are talking about! Are they more of a show and shine crowd?

So I realize that this isn’t the biggest event in the country…but I really believe the event needs to branch out a little to cater to more participates. There is just should a small percentage of lt1 owners that have all out race cars. Now I can’t speak for the new owners of LS1LT1 or for the site as whole but rather than being a class sponsor next year, maybe we can sponsor a non-drag racing activity. For example a car show or autocross event. I believe that would encourage a wider variety of cars and attendees.

Let me know your thoughts…or maybe I’m just way of base lol…:shiner:

[Formula383]

We definitely appreciate the support from the LS1LT1 community. Thanks a bunch!!

We have contacted and even posted on corvetteforum the last three years. Granted we didn't do any specific advertising in BG but regardless, I didn't even see one C4 that entire weekend. There was even a Corvette Museum Anniversary event in BG the same weekend. The vette owners definitely seem to be more of a show and shine group. Jeff Green helped us pull in a few more B-body guys this year. Most of the B-body group didn't want to come because they thought they would be out-gunned but they found out very quickly they could be very competitive. Hopefully they will be back next year in bigger numbers.

We wanted to do a car show this year but we didn't get the number of volunteers we needed to even help with the race and the track personnel were very limited. I can see us possibly having a show next year but we will need one or more people or a sponsor to run that part of the event. It is very difficult for Tony and I to stay on the radios with the track, run to the tower and tech booth and and also participate in the race. Without Ray, Charles and Dave we would have never gotten everyone tech'd in this year. If we do end up hosting a car show next year, would you and/or the LS1LT1 crew like to handle that part of the event?

As for Extreme Street, these cars are not all out race cars. They are cars with good setups that still remain within the confines of certain motor, suspension and interior limitations. 10 second street cars are not that uncommon and if we're bringing in the best of the best from the LT1 world then I would expect to see these cars in Extreme Street as we did with Jeff and even Alan. Extreme Street P/A only had 2 cars. Like I said earlier, I would love to have a True Street or Bolt-on class but there will probably be one or two fast cars in that group as well that will be heads above everyone else. We can't cater to everyone. I think Larry said it best, "the car with the most hp doesn't always win". There were 4 cars in Mod P/A that did not make eliminations due to mechanical issues. I only had to win one elimination round to get into the finals. Then even in the finals, whether Taner was having issues or taking it easy on me, it was a super close race. How do two 6-speed cars make into the finals in the 2nd fastest class? It just shows you that anything can happen! Sometimes all you have to do is show up. I was clearly out-gunned in that class.

The main problems we have are car count and sponsorships. Unlike the LS guys, we don't have a book full of huge corporate sponsors. Our sponsors have been awesome over the last 3 years but we cannot compare ourselves to the sponsor participation levels at events like the LS Fest and LSX Shootout. We have just enough to pay for a single day track rental, shirts and trophies. Unless the car count or our sponsorship levels exponentially increase, we are not capable of having a multi-day, multi-activity event. The funding just isn't there.

Thanks again for everyone's support.

Kyle

[ZGOBYBY]

Like I said, I would be more than willing to help out with next year's event. Furthermore, being in southeast Michigan, there are an abundant amount of performance shops and manufacturers, that I am sure I could do some leg-work to get more sponsorship from companies in my area. Just an idea. All my buddies with LT1 cars have been told that they have to go next year to the Shootout! Let me know what I can do!

[n2ocamaro]

Unless the car count or our sponsorship levels exponentially increase, we are not capable of having a multi-day, multi-activity event. The funding just isn't there.

Kyle

I think if you increase the car count with a car show and autocross and/or mobile dyno, the added sponsorship would come too. But I don't know for sure since I have never organized one of these things. I would love to see this open up to a 2 day event.

[gump]

Also, if you would have started with this line "There really is magic in converter choice!" instead of "Wrong, in so many ways". It would have come off much less arrogant, even though you probably didn't mean it that way.

It's all cool. My Mother-In-Law calls me A-H. (it doesn't stand for Awsomely Handsome either!!)

Sometimes we all post things that don't come accross the way we intend. Of that I am surely guilty.

Sorry.

Daren

[gump]

Figures...:doh:

I would love to see this though. Sounds like a great plan.;)

What class are you planning on running it in elsewhere?

I was just kidding on that, but I do think that it would be very cool!

I plan to run Mod N/A again. I hope that the funds hold out to build a new car. Nothing special, just something a little fun for the Shootout (and easier to switch motors). My main plan is to build something that stays together!:doh:

[n2ocamaro]

It's all cool. My Mother-In-Law calls me A-H. (it doesn't stand for Awsomely Handsome either!!)

Sometimes we all post things that don't come accross the way we intend. Of that I am surely guilty.

Sorry.

Daren

Agreed. I have been told I like to argue too much. Of that I am guilty. My apologies as well. Best of luck on a new combo!

[gump]

I have to highly disagree with you here. We have ran many diff types of converters in our cars from lower end TCI's to higher end Edge converters. My cam only 94 Camaro ran a best of 11.83@115 with a cheap TCI 3000 stall in a 60e pulling low 1.6 60's. The Black Impala i was in at the Shootout has a $450 PTC converter in a 60e set up for the bottle and it pulls 1.57 60's N/A runs 11.50's N/A and weighs 4000lbs.......Another buddy has a 95 Z28 that runs 9.40's on the bottle through a TH350 and PTC converter. Not saying cheap is the way to go, but there is some high quality very affordable converters out there that i wouldn't be affraid to use and have used:cool:

It's cool to disagree. Are you sure that every combination outlined above was optimized and would have gained nothing from a converter change? I have tried tons of different converters and transmissions behind basically the same combination and can tell you that there is a difference.

I have run some PTC stuff in the past. It worked good and they were an easy company to deal with, so no complaints there.

[1994Z28]

I never said a higher end converter wouldn't help or hurt for that matter. My point is, you can get a quality converter for your street set up and not break the bank doing so. I just based my comments on you saying "your wrong" to someone and i see you really didn't mean it how it sounded. I was just pointing out that if your funds where limited you could still get good results on a budget:cool:

[n2ocamaro]

It's cool to disagree. Are you sure that every combination outlined above was optimized and would have gained nothing from a converter change? I have tried tons of different converters and transmissions behind basically the same combination and can tell you that there is a difference.

I have run some PTC stuff in the past. It worked good and they were an easy company to deal with, so no complaints there.

So who's converter are running now? So I know who all to look at when I am ready to step it up.

[TWS]

As for converters, I'm trying to "Yank it, and get off quicker". ;) After changing my heads, I had to send the converter back to Dave to have it restalled. Despite getting the restalled version in the car this spring, I still don't know what it is fully capable of. Poor track prep locally plus various other issues with my car have prevented me from finding out. So far 1.52 60' NA, but I hope to significantly improve on that soon. Car went 1.44 on a previous 385 motor with a 100 shot of giggle gas a long, long time ago.

I should probably just copy whatever Gump does. :D

[alan]

Like I said, I would be more than willing to help out with next year's event. Furthermore, being in southeast Michigan, there are an abundant amount of performance shops and manufacturers, that I am sure I could do some leg-work to get more sponsorship from companies in my area. Just an idea. All my buddies with LT1 cars have been told that they have to go next year to the Shootout! Let me know what I can do!

any gal that is willing to dive in an LT1 engine bay w/ only her legs hanging out would surely be a good and enthusiastic resource for next years event. I hereby nominate ZGOBYBY for publicity chair!

[gump]

Poor track prep locally plus various other issues with my car have prevented me from finding out.

This is why I almost never run at a test and tune event. You will find that most tracks prep much better for their points races. I very often enter bracket races just to test. Every now and then I get several "test" passes in before they send me packing!



I should probably just copy whatever Gump does. :D

Heck no! The best thing that you can do is get with a converter company that you like and trust. A great place to start looking for ideas are those contingency decals on the sides of cars at NHRA/IHRA events.

Not bragging or comparing, but my best sixty in Gump was a 1.31 in good air. That's approx. 400 HP @ 3000 lbs. It took me four converters to get that number!

Another thing to keep in mind is that you might want a little more stall in bad air to get better short times, but for that really great air you might want something a little tighter. Only testing will tell.

At the Shootout last year my best was a high 1.3 (3250 lbs). The air was approx. 3600 ft.

There is a lot more to it than just converters, but my opinion is that converter choice is a crytical part of your final combination.

That said, there are bunch of converter guys out there that are way smarter than me!

[ZGOBYBY]

any gal that is willing to dive in an LT1 engine bay w/ only her legs hanging out would surely be a good and enthusiastic resource for next years event. I hereby nominate ZGOBYBY for publicity chair!

DANG... I forgot I was doing that. LOL... I'm kind of short, so you got to do what you got to do sometimes. Believe me, I bring a lot of experience to the table. I do Section 8 Housing for a living for "big brother." I down with that publicity chair thing! LOL

[kline454]

I have gone 1.31 on the back tire on spray and 1.42 on motor with a $400.00 BTE converter 4800stall, 3.73 gear on a 28 tire with a th350 @3400lbs.

[AChotrod]

This is like the best/worst thread on this site! lol

[Shon Herron]

At the Shootout last year my best was a high 1.3 (3250 lbs). The air was approx. 3600 ft.What was the DA at the track this year?

[AChotrod]

around 2000 i believe

[gump]

This is like the best/worst thread on this site! lol

I know. I will try to do better in the future!

[AChotrod]

Its Shons fault for mentioning the R word. :monkey: Seriously I like this thread. Lots to learn and lots of bitchin kinda like the street races.

[Gumby]

Did someone say street races:hmm:

[AChotrod]

lol This starfire??

[Gumby]

lol This starfire??
:D

[BLK WS6]

We definitely appreciate the support from the LS1LT1 community. Thanks a bunch!!

We have contacted and even posted on corvetteforum the last three years. Granted we didn't do any specific advertising in BG but regardless, I didn't even see one C4 that entire weekend. There was even a Corvette Museum Anniversary event in BG the same weekend. The vette owners definitely seem to be more of a show and shine group. Jeff Green helped us pull in a few more B-body guys this year. Most of the B-body group didn't want to come because they thought they would be out-gunned but they found out very quickly they could be very competitive. Hopefully they will be back next year in bigger numbers.

We wanted to do a car show this year but we didn't get the number of volunteers we needed to even help with the race and the track personnel were very limited. I can see us possibly having a show next year but we will need one or more people or a sponsor to run that part of the event. It is very difficult for Tony and I to stay on the radios with the track, run to the tower and tech booth and and also participate in the race. Without Ray, Charles and Dave we would have never gotten everyone tech'd in this year. If we do end up hosting a car show next year, would you and/or the LS1LT1 crew like to handle that part of the event?

As for Extreme Street, these cars are not all out race cars. They are cars with good setups that still remain within the confines of certain motor, suspension and interior limitations. 10 second street cars are not that uncommon and if we're bringing in the best of the best from the LT1 world then I would expect to see these cars in Extreme Street as we did with Jeff and even Alan. Extreme Street P/A only had 2 cars. Like I said earlier, I would love to have a True Street or Bolt-on class but there will probably be one or two fast cars in that group as well that will be heads above everyone else. We can't cater to everyone. I think Larry said it best, "the car with the most hp doesn't always win". There were 4 cars in Mod P/A that did not make eliminations due to mechanical issues. I only had to win one elimination round to get into the finals. Then even in the finals, whether Taner was having issues or taking it easy on me, it was a super close race. How do two 6-speed cars make into the finals in the 2nd fastest class? It just shows you that anything can happen! Sometimes all you have to do is show up. I was clearly out-gunned in that class.

The main problems we have are car count and sponsorships. Unlike the LS guys, we don't have a book full of huge corporate sponsors. Our sponsors have been awesome over the last 3 years but we cannot compare ourselves to the sponsor participation levels at events like the LS Fest and LSX Shootout. We have just enough to pay for a single day track rental, shirts and trophies. Unless the car count or our sponsorship levels exponentially increase, we are not capable of having a multi-day, multi-activity event. The funding just isn't there.

Thanks again for everyone's support.

Kyle

I agree with everything you said...and you're right I misspoke when I said "all out race cars".

As for the car show consider it taken care of...as it gets closer to the event we can get together and work out all the details. I will work to get some volunteers as it gets closer but worse case my wife and I can run the car show portion of the event.

Also I'm curious as to why you think sponsorships aren't there for this event. Is it a matter of marketing? Or is it a lack of interest?

[Formula383]

I agree with everything you said...and you're right I misspoke when I said "all out race cars".

As for the car show consider it taken care of...as it gets closer to the event we can get together and work out all the details. I will work to get some volunteers as it gets closer but worse case my wife and I can run the car show portion of the event.

Also I'm curious as to why you think sponsorships aren't there for this event. Is it a matter of marketing? Or is it a lack of interest?

Awesome! We have some ideas about how we'd like the car show to happen but we can discuss that later. Thank you!

On the sponsor deal, I know first hand that a bunch of places are just hurting for money. Some even struggling to keep the doors open. If they don't feel like they will get any return on their investment, then they are very unlikely to donate, especially in tough times. Others I think just aren't interested like you said. That being said, I am still very proud of the level of sponsorships that a few of us have been been able to retain. :D

On and no offense take on the race car thing. A lot of the guys in the ES classes have a lot of pride in going fast in what is considered a street car and work hard meet the rules.

[9SEC6SPD]

convertors =:puke: ..... lol! j/k!

DA = 1800ft in the morning, it was over 2500 in the afternoon.

Ture street class..... well that was exactly what i built my car for! I have been to 3 Hot Rod Pump Gas Drags, and have run in 2 NMCA True street events, and have even sponsored a True street event a few years ago. the week after BG, I had another big event at grand bend motorplex. I had to remove the slicks and slap on small et streets, i still got her down the track running 9.3 @ 150 mph, i lost in the finals to a 3100 # BBC foxbody mustang, oh well, i will try again next year :) we had to overcome and shit load of adversity that week to be ready for that event, i would do it again, but only if we had to, lol!!!

i give up a fair bit of E.T. to be able knock down about 20 mpg on the highway.

as well, the last two years were close, last year my clutch pedal fell to the floor, and i had to abuswe the heck out of the trans grabbing gears trying to catch matt. this year, i had major traction issues, and had to work to stay ahead of kyle. ANYthing can and usually does happen.... especially with me, lol!!!

i look forward to next year, and again thanks to Tony and Kyle for all that they do!!!

Tony/Kyle,

next year, you guys are welcome to any remaining Molson Canadian to bring back with you :) i forgot to mention it before we left.

[LVZ2881]

Did someone say street races:hmm:

I miss street racing!! Damn Fast and Furious had to ruin it for everyone...:censored:

I'm posting this as an outsider, who has just got back into the LTx world after a long absence.
I didnt even know about the shoouout until I got on this site last month when I bought my 2nd Lt1 car.
There are alot more Bolt-on cars out there than full on race cars. It's a matter of economics.
More people can afford a bolt-on, and maybe a mild Heads/Cam car, than a full boat race car with AFR heads, large solid roller, etc...
those with Bolt ons may look at the classes and think" I'm not going to be competitive", so why bother..especially once the costs of trip such as travel, lodging, food, and if they have to rent a trailer.
a True Street style class ( or a class tailered specifically to the bolt-on cars)may be the ticket to increase the car count. Just my $.00002
Also, if the event can be made more family friendly, i.e. something for the wife/kids ( or hubby/kids) to do while the driver is racing, may also help.
ANy thoughts, since you could get the LTx in a C4 vette, and since vette guys tend to be more show than go, of getting the Vette Museum people to help out/handle the car show portion??
An autocross would be great, too. Maybe contact the local SCCA chapter to help run that??

Also, I know GMHTP was at the event, were any ad's for the event run, or was the event discussed by the magazine??
I have to ask since I didnt start buying GMHTP again until I bought the car last month.

[Formula383]

I miss street racing!! Damn Fast and Furious had to ruin it for everyone...:censored:

I'm posting this as an outsider, who has just got back into the LTx world after a long absence.
I didnt even know about the shoouout until I got on this site last month when I bought my 2nd Lt1 car.
There are alot more Bolt-on cars out there than full on race cars. It's a matter of economics.
More people can afford a bolt-on, and maybe a mild Heads/Cam car, than a full boat race car with AFR heads, large solid roller, etc...
those with Bolt ons may look at the classes and think" I'm not going to be competitive", so why bother..especially once the costs of trip such as travel, lodging, food, and if they have to rent a trailer.
a True Street style class ( or a class tailered specifically to the bolt-on cars)may be the ticket to increase the car count. Just my $.00002
Also, if the event can be made more family friendly, i.e. something for the wife/kids ( or hubby/kids) to do while the driver is racing, may also help.
ANy thoughts, since you could get the LTx in a C4 vette, and since vette guys tend to be more show than go, of getting the Vette Museum people to help out/handle the car show portion??
An autocross would be great, too. Maybe contact the local SCCA chapter to help run that??

Also, I know GMHTP was at the event, were any ad's for the event run, or was the event discussed by the magazine??
I have to ask since I didnt start buying GMHTP again until I bought the car last month.

Here's the way I see it: (1) I agree there are probably a lot more bolt on cars however, most of the bolt on guys typically don't have a means of transporting their cars to and from the event, i.e. truck and/or trailer (2) they probably don't want to drive more than a few hundred miles and still compete for fear of breaking or some other misfortune.

As far as family is concerned, it doesn't get any more family friendly than Beech Bend. They have an amusement park, water park and full campgrounds adjacent to the track.

We have tried to recruit the C4 guys every year but there's just no interest. The ideas for autocross, show and drags all together is cool. The problem is that it requires multiple day rentals and that is just not possible with our budget. Also I'm somewhat opposed to having different groups outside of our community running specific portions of the event. There would be too many hands in the cookie jar and likelihood of things getting messed up would be high.

If anyone has subscribed to GMHTP over the last two years it's likely they have heard about the shootout. There have been full multiple page features for the '08 and '09 events. We would love to have done some advertising with them but again, our budget makes it difficult to do things like that.

I appreciate your suggestions and interest in the shootout. I wish some things were as easy as they sound but we have had new hurdles to jump every year and we do the best we can do with what we have.

Kyle

[LVZ2881]

As far as family is concerned, it doesn't get any more family friendly than Beech Bend. They have an amusement park, water park and full campgrounds adjacent to the track.

Kyle

Didnt know that about Beech Bend. Thats actually pretty cool. This is what happens when your a west coast guy, and 2/3 of the population is east of the mississippi.

and i completely understand being able to do only what your budget will allow. You do what you can, and from the sound of it, you guys do pretty well organizing an event like this with what you have.

[Formula383]

Didnt know that about Beech Bend. Thats actually pretty cool. This is what happens when your a west coast guy, and 2/3 of the population is east of the mississippi.

and i completely understand being able to do only what your budget will allow. You do what you can, and from the sound of it, you guys do pretty well organizing an event like this with what you have.

Thank you very much. It would be great to have a bigger budget like some of the LS events so we can do more things. I think a car show is definitely going to happen next year. Hopefully that will draw in some more folks.

I think everyone really enjoyed Bowling Green and Beech Bend. Personally, I'd like to stay longer next year and check out more of the park. :D I know it would be a trek from the west coast for you. I hope you can make it sometime to see the fun that everyone has and how tight a group we really have.

[Shon Herron]

If all goes well, I will be manning the scales, LOL!!! But started thinking, I am going to need a live feed to a screen so I can watch the racing too. HA!

[alan]

If all goes well, I will be manning the scales, LOL!!! But started thinking, I am going to need a live feed to a screen so I can watch the racing too. HA!

dang...wanna Lazy Boy and a beer hat too?

[Phstratton]

Kyle,

I agree, you shouldn't have other groups outside of the LTX Shootout group in charge of any events. But there are plenty of people (including myself) that would be willing to volunteer for free and do whatever you need done. I think having a car show, and maybe even inviting some vendors to come is a great idea. I understand you're on a tight budget, but I think you'll find that more people will come if you broaden the event to a car show as well. Since, most people do indeed just have bolt ons or head/cam cars. I take more pride in how my car looks than how fast it is simply because I can't afford to go fast and keep it running haha. I think you should go ahead and set up the donation bar for the 2011 shootout. You can never start too early....You could also see if LS1LT1.com would be willing to take up donations for the shootout as well? Just some ideas for consideration. let me know what you think. :D

[n2ocamaro]

dang...wanna Lazy Boy and a beer hat too?
As long as he keeps the scales going, I say give it to him. At least I could get weighed then!:jest:

[BLK WS6]

Kyle,

I agree, you shouldn't have other groups outside of the LTX Shootout group in charge of any events. But there are plenty of people (including myself) that would be willing to volunteer for free and do whatever you need done. I think having a car show, and maybe even inviting some vendors to come is a great idea. I understand you're on a tight budget, but I think you'll find that more people will come if you broaden the event to a car show as well. Since, most people do indeed just have bolt ons or head/cam cars. I take more pride in how my car looks than how fast it is simply because I can't afford to go fast and keep it running haha. I think you should go ahead and set up the donation bar for the 2011 shootout. You can never start too early....You could also see if LS1LT1.com would be willing to take up donations for the shootout as well? Just some ideas for consideration. let me know what you think. :D

We did take up donations last year....that's how we paid for the class sponsorship. Hopefully everyone will be on board again this year.

[ZGOBYBY]

Oh, I am totally on board for donations. Whatever it takes to keep this Shootout running, I'm game!

[Nut]

Oh, I am totally on board for donations. Whatever it takes to keep this Shootout running, I'm game!
Same here :)

[quik95lt1]

yep same here I'll be there next year hopefully in the single digits this time......gotta defend the title lol.......

had an awesome time this year!!

[BlackWidowSS]

Ok so...It is PROBABLY in here already, but 18 pages is alot to read through lol. Any word on the location for the 2011 Shootout? I wanted to go last year but didnt get a chance. I will be there in 11 with my car and HOPEFULLY I will be running low 11's N/A, and low 10's on spray, but we will see. I just would like to get a heads up on a location so I know what I need to save up and all that jazz lol. I am in the Air Force and have to really plan out my vacations haha.

Again, sorry if this has already been posted. Just dont have time to read all 18 pages to find it. Thanks fella's!

[Tony Shepherd]

Ok so...It is PROBABLY in here already, but 18 pages is alot to read through lol. Any word on the location for the 2011 Shootout? I wanted to go last year but didnt get a chance. I will be there in 11 with my car and HOPEFULLY I will be running low 11's N/A, and low 10's on spray, but we will see. I just would like to get a heads up on a location so I know what I need to save up and all that jazz lol. I am in the Air Force and have to really plan out my vacations haha.

Again, sorry if this has already been posted. Just dont have time to read all 18 pages to find it. Thanks fella's!


We are leaning to Sept. 2011 at Beech Bend again. Nothing set in stone yet though.

[ZGOBYBY]

I am sooo excited about next year's Shootout. Got my little bro Jon geeked about it, we are going to put together an LT1 project car over the winter for the next Shootout while my Z is being done. Cannot wait!

[R3DLT1]

I agree with everything you said...and you're right I misspoke when I said "all out race cars".

As for the car show consider it taken care of...as it gets closer to the event we can get together and work out all the details. I will work to get some volunteers as it gets closer but worse case my wife and I can run the car show portion of the event.

Also I'm curious as to why you think sponsorships aren't there for this event. Is it a matter of marketing? Or is it a lack of interest?

You can count me and my lady to help u out BLK as long as im able to run the car :whistle:

[AChotrod]

Im already working on the car for next yr:finger:

[BlackWidowSS]

Damn Beech Bend is far! lol. I liked it better in Kansas City hahaha. I will be there this year though! Without fail! haha. Thanks Tony!

[quik95lt1]

We are leaning to Sept. 2011 at Beech Bend again. Nothing set in stone yet though.

I liked it down there just please dont go fruther away it took me 18 hours to get to beech bend lol


Im already working on the car for next yr:finger:

me too mike lol.....putting in the rest of the cage soon....need a 10 point to go 9's ;)

[AChotrod]

Oh ill be on DRs too. Going home to put on my New Madman valved AFCO rear shocks today:D

[kline454]

Thinking about going with a DR on my car next year will see how it works in the spring,Slicks just wear out to fast with all the street driving i do..

[Ponyhntr]

We are leaning to Sept. 2011 at Beech Bend again. Nothing set in stone yet though.

Hopefully I can make it this year! :)

[BIG CAT]

had you guys thought about having a open comp class to draw more cars in? or maybe a quick 8 heads up class?

[AChotrod]

outlaw is the open class.

[Chased]

I was against the tire rule change this year but my little 355 is running close enough to all the 383 to give me a chance still...its racing and to be honest..I think both classes in ES would have cars running 9's if the car was built for it.

Larry's car is just missing wipers and some weight and he could be in my class with his car and its in the 9's.

I shouldn't have a chance in hell against a 383/396 but like they say anything can happen in racing! I got spanked all day in qualifying.

The rules need to stay the same...and if anything we need to get rid of the DOT slick to even it out more but I'm OK with it.

This is more about having fun and running the cars...if you have the $$$ then you can build something to kick ass in and meet the rules for any class you want.

Mike, the issue is your and my cars are 355ci and just don't have the power on motor to consistently beat higher ci motors. Its just the fact. Do you really think Jeff's heads make that much more power than yours? I don't.

Ditto

[Chased]

poor excuse!

sell T56 setup
sell TH350 setup

find someone who wants either which might have a built 60E to trade


wait?!?!? what you want to ditch the 6 speed Mike Ill trade ya my 60 and brand new flywheel and convertor only time on it was the event and a few test passes trans has time on it but built be jimmy its bulletproof larry can confirm this!!

[AChotrod]

I will seriously consider that trade. ^^^

[1FASTSS]

wait?!?!? what you want to ditch the 6 speed Mike Ill trade ya my 60 and brand new flywheel and convertor only time on it was the event and a few test passes trans has time on it but built be jimmy its bulletproof larry can confirm this!!

Do it and I'll have another 1st place trophy sitting next to the other one in the garage:laugh:

BTW nice banner car...too bad it doesn't run:jest:

[AChotrod]

I would beg to differ if I end up with that 60e :devil:

[Chased]

Did this just turn into a smack talk thread!

[joelster]

Can I get a weight break if I run Modified N/A and am still running the stock shortblock? Most of the guys will be running 383's and 396's so I need all the help I can get.

[1FASTSS]

I would beg to differ if I end up with that 60e :devil:

Sorry Mike, was talking about the paperweight sitting down here.


Did this just turn into a smack talk thread!

Yes....:jest:

[Badhawk]

Can I get a weight break if I run Modified N/A and am still running the stock shortblock? Most of the guys will be running 383's and 396's so I need all the help I can get.


Why Modified NA ? does your car not meet the rules for Extreme street na.

[Chased]

Sorry Mike, was talking about the paperweight sitting down here.



Yes....:jest:


Paperweight? It runs just needs a opti as far as I know then I can smack you around again:shame:

[alan]

slushbox...bah humbug

[1FASTSS]

Paperweight? It runs just needs a opti as far as I know then I can smack you around again:shame:

get-r-done.....


btw, you know my tranny is fixed now right?

[CamaroRacing12]

im loving it the talk is already starting uppppp

[AChotrod]

Its winter here in Chi smack talkin is all we have to do for a few months :shiner:

[Twisted Z]

Smack nTalk?

If I can get the sponsors and the time my goal is to take the 2400 mile drive and lay down the smack on Tony, Taner, Outlaw, JakesZ28 and anyone else that want some action from the North West Terrotories!
<LI title=":gun_bandana:">:gun_bandana:


:gun_bandana::death:

[CamaroRacing12]

Smack nTalk?

If I can get the sponsors and the time my goal is to take the 2400 mile drive and lay down the smack on Tony, Taner, Outlaw, JakesZ28 and anyone else that want some action from the North West Terrotories!
<LI title=":gun_bandana:">:gun_bandana:


:gun_bandana::death:

ahhhhhh sh*tttt! here we go!

well in that case if all goes as planned and i have the funds to make it out there from massachusetts and if tony puts together the bolt on only class you all better look out because i aint no track queen stripped down track purpose only stocker. i got a true street car driven daily that will put a hurtin on some boyss down there at bowling green. oh and my r/t's will always be spot on so look out!

[Twisted Z]

I would drive this bish out but it is just easier to tow it!:laugh:

i would even be up for a 100 mile drive to prove it!:metal:

[Tony Shepherd]

Smack nTalk?

If I can get the sponsors and the time my goal is to take the 2400 mile drive and lay down the smack on Tony, Taner, Outlaw, JakesZ28 and anyone else that want some action from the North West Terrotories!
<LI title=":gun_bandana:">:gun_bandana:


:gun_bandana::death:


Get in line!

[Twisted Z]

Get in line!

Well then the line will start at my chute!:shame:

[Badhawk]

Since the smack talking has begun who wants to step up to the plate and be my next victim. :) Bringing the same old tired setup except for a fresh tranny.

[n2ocamaro]

:popcorn:

[joelster]

Why Modified NA ? does your car not meet the rules for Extreme street na.

Here's the rules for extreme street n/a:


Must have LT1-based engine. No power adders permitted. Heads must retain the factory 23 deg valve angle. Only stock/stock ported intakes will be allowed. Welded intakes not permitted. LT1 PCM only. Must retain opti spark. Coil per plug allowed. DOT approved tires only (includes DOT approved bias-ply tires). Radials must retain one of the following aspect ratios (275/50-15, 275/60-15, 255/50-16, 275/40-17, 315/35-17, 295/45-17, 325/45R17). 28" maximum height and 10" maximum tread width for bias-ply tires. Must have stock-style suspension. 4-links and ladder bars not permitted. Mini-tubs not permitted. No solid motor mounts, motor plates or anti-roll bars (aftermarket sway bars with solid end-links permitted). Must retain full OEM interior including both front seats. Aftermarket front seats permitted. Rear seats may be removed. Must have mufflers. Must retain OEM type transmissions of one of the following (700R4, 4L60, 4L60E, 4L80E, T56). No trans-brake or two-steps. Must have factory glass. Lexan windows not permitted. Must have working lights, wipers, horn. Must have current tags. Minimum race-weight limit 3,400 lbs. Independent rear suspension receives 200 lb. weight break. Car and driver must meet NHRA certifications for the time the car is running.

This is where my car is in violation:

1. Full OEM interior including both front seats--I run Kirkeys, and there is nothing behind the seats at all, no carpet, no rear seats, etc, etc
2.Must retain OEM type transmissions of one of the following (700R4, 4L60, 4L60E, 4L80E, T56--I run a turbo350, no fucking way am I going to put a dogshit 4L60E in it.
3.No trans-brake or two-steps--I have a trans-brake although my car is faster off of a foot brake (go figure).I honestly never use it except to put the car in reverse.
4.Lexan windows not permitted.--I plan on having the Percy's Speedglass rear hatch installed by then.
5.Minimum race-weight limit 3,400 lbs. --LOL, I ain't near that.
6.Only stock/stock ported intakes will be allowed.--I run a single plane

My car is a street car through and through though. It gets about 3500 miles a year.

[Twisted Z]

Shit we run 4L60Es into the nines on a regular basis! Get a good builder!

[Chased]

get-r-done.....


btw, you know my tranny is fixed now right?


Btw you remember you still haven't ran faster then me

[joelster]

Shit we run 4L60Es into the nines on a regular basis! Get a good builder!

Yeah. Let me drop $1500 on a good 4L60E and then another $800 on a converter so I can run a class that gives me a trophy. Not gonna happen. A 4L60 has a very aggressive 1st gear which almost negates any sort of advantage a turbo350 may have be being easier to spin. That rule is just weird to me. I don't really see an advantage to running a non-stock tranny. I don't plan on being anywhere close to being able to make Extreme Street N/A, so it's not like i'm lobbying for a rule change in that class. I would however like them to reconsider the weight break for Modified N/A. I'm giving up 46 cubes in some cases to the heavy hitters.

[1FASTSS]

Btw you remember you still haven't ran faster then me

Yeah an opti was all that held that back at Byron...ran a .48 with it missing badly at mid track...:)

How many years ago did you run that time?

[1FASTSS]

Yeah. Let me drop $1500 on a good 4L60E and then another $800 on a converter so I can run a class that gives me a trophy. Not gonna happen. A 4L60 has a very aggressive 1st gear which almost negates any sort of advantage a turbo350 may have be being easier to spin. That rule is just weird to me. I don't really see an advantage to running a non-stock tranny. I don't plan on being anywhere close to being able to make Extreme Street N/A, so it's not like i'm lobbying for a rule change in that class. I would however like them to reconsider the weight break for Modified N/A. I'm giving up 46 cubes in some cases to the heavy hitters.

Its about having fun and talkin shit IMO...just run the class your car fits into and make sure the cooler is filled!!

[CamaroRacing12]

Its about having fun and talkin shit IMO...just run the class your car fits into and make sure the cooler is filled!!

well said! btw do they allow beers in the pits at bowling green? i know new england dragway dosent and it sucksss

[AChotrod]

yes they do.

[Twisted Z]

Its about having fun and talkin shit IMO...just run the class your car fits into and make sure the cooler is filled!!

EXACTLY!

BTW a GOOD 4L60E will cost more then $1500 ;)

Hell the output shaft is $750!

[Nocturnal Z]

Since the smack talking has begun who wants to step up to the plate and be my next victim. :) Bringing the same old tired setup except for a fresh tranny.
I'm your huckleberry :D I'm bringing the same 'ol tired setup too...only with 46 more ci :secret:

[CamaroRacing12]

yes they do.

sweet so u can bring ur own alcohol in? thats freakin awesomeee, after i get knocked out the drinking will commence!


EXACTLY!

BTW a GOOD 4L60E will cost more then $1500 ;)

Hell the output shaft is $750!

i paid around $1500 to get my 4l60 rebuilt by cpt in delaware. proven 9 sec 4l60's


I'm your huckleberry :D

hahahah greatttt movieee the one with kurt russel and val kilmer

[Twisted Z]

AND I bet $50 it does not have a M300 Input and output shaft ;)

We have a 800RWHP LSx 4,200Lbs went 9.86 and he twisted the Stock input shaft ;) we are now turning it up and shooting for low 9s

Have had 9 Sec 4L60Es in the NW 8 years ago ;)

[joelster]

Its about having fun and talkin shit IMO...just run the class your car fits into and make sure the cooler is filled!!

My car fits in Outlaw, lol. Not sure how much shit talking I could do with a high 10 second Outlaw car. It would do "ok" in Modified N/A but only if they cut me some slack on the weight part. I spent years buying lightweight stuff and removing certain things to get it down the track faster. Some guys add horsepower, I remove weight.

Who makes the rules around here? Tony?

[Badhawk]

My car fits in Outlaw, lol. Not sure how much shit talking I could do with a high 10 second Outlaw car. It would do "ok" in Modified N/A but only if they cut me some slack on the weight part. I spent years buying lightweight stuff and removing certain things to get it down the track faster. Some guys add horsepower, I remove weight.

Who makes the rules around here? Tony?


Modified NA is a tuff class now days I don't know how competitive you would be against this group but, I think you will have a killer time either way.

Taner high 9's bottom 10's on motor.
Brady same as above.
Mike Quik95lt1 bottom 10's looking for 9's on motor.
There are a few others bringing new combo's like Gump and Snakekilla that should be down there to.

BTW what does your car weigh ? the minimum weight for this class is 3,075 that's pretty light.

[Twisted Z]

Man I wish I could run Modified N/A :(

[Badhawk]

Man I wish I could run Modified N/A :(



Stop cutting out so much weight and do it. :D

[Badhawk]

I'm your huckleberry :D I'm bringing the same 'ol tired setup too...only with 46 more ci :secret:



Collin your so 2009. The people are looking for a fresh champion which they have in me. lol :jest:

[Twisted Z]

Heads must retain the factory 23 deg valve angle. Trick Flow 21 deg. heads permitted (PN TFS-30400008-M54).

Bust's my ass every time :hmm:

[CamaroRacing12]

AND I bet $50 it does not have a M300 Input and output shaft ;)

We have a 800RWHP LSx 4,200Lbs went 9.86 and he twisted the Stock input shaft ;) we are now turning it up and shooting for low 9s

Have had 9 Sec 4L60Es in the NW 8 years ago ;)

http://www.pszweb.com/cpt/700.htm

those are the parts in my transmission. i have only heard great things and its been 4 seasons and i havent had any issues. but then again i am only bolt ons only

[Twisted Z]

They do a great Job man. I did not mean to say they do not.

I also know the parts we are putting in them Cost more then $1,500 ;)

BTW We shreaded a factpry hardened Output saft with only 1.4 60ft ;)

[joelster]

Modified NA is a tuff class now days I don't know how competitive you would be against this group but, I think you will have a killer time either way.

Taner high 9's bottom 10's on motor.
Brady same as above.
Mike Quik95lt1 bottom 10's looking for 9's on motor.
There are a few others bringing new combo's like Gump and Snakekilla that should be down there to.

BTW what does your car weigh ? the minimum weight for this class is 3,075 that's pretty light.

My car is pretty light. I'm sure it's under 2850 right now, with more lightweight parts coming this winter. It's probably running 10.9's as it sits. A cylinder head swap should get me 10.4-10.5's and the stock shortblock N/A record (that's the goal anyway). I have some AFR 227's sitting here begging for a 396 shortblock, but I don't have the funds to put it together EXACTLY how I want it and go after this record at the same time. I don't want to put the 195 COMP heads on it, and then change it all up with a bigger motor just for the shootout. I want to whittle the ET down even further with the stock shortblock. That takes some time to do.

If my car was running 10.4's and they cut me some slack on the wieght, i'd run at the shootout. I'm pretty good on the tree, and we all know that anything can happen come raceday. Half of the guys that plan to show break in the weeks leading up to it, a few redlights pop up, and then unforseen issues always arise. It's 657 miles one way for me, so it's a good 10-11 hour drive.

[Chased]

Since the smack talking has begun who wants to step up to the plate and be my next victim. :) Bringing the same old tired setup except for a fresh tranny.

Tired set ups shit if isn't broke why fix it and my shit won't blow up I've tried

[Badhawk]

Tired set ups shit if isn't broke why fix it and my shit won't blow up I've tried



Charles, I can only hope that my junk last as long as yours. :hmm:

[Twisted Z]

Tired set ups shit if isn't broke why fix it and my shit won't blow up I've tried


Let me make a few passes in it!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Chased]

Let me make a few passes in it!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Lol ask anyone that knows me I beat the piss out of it hell I'll hose it Down from stop sign to stop sign in a jewel parking light and then do it again I do work in this car!!!! I think she heard me talking about if she blows she's going LS and didn't like it!!!!

[CamaroRacing12]

They do a great Job man. I did not mean to say they do not.

I also know the parts we are putting in them Cost more then $1,500 ;)

BTW We shreaded a factpry hardened Output saft with only 1.4 60ft ;)

good thing i only cut 1.6x 60fts and make a lot less power then ur setups and weigh a good amount less :)

[Twisted Z]

good thing i only cut 1.6x 60fts and make a lot less power then ur setups and weigh a good amount less :)

I thought we were talking about running nines??:hmm:

[1FASTSS]

Lol ask anyone that knows me I beat the piss out of it hell I'll hose it Down from stop sign to stop sign in a jewel parking light and then do it again I do work in this car!!!! I think she heard me talking about if she blows she's going LS and didn't like it!!!!

my junk is as old as yours...:tt2:

Battle of the 10 year old motors:gun_bandana:

[Twisted Z]

my junk is as old as yours...:tt2:

Battle of the 10 year old motors:gun_bandana:

Man you guys are going to make me get the old "CZ28" motor out aint ya??? I wonder what she would make with my old top end and a two fiddy shot?:hmm:

[AChotrod]

Im gonna lay some smack down next yr if this 383 deal comes together for me!

[BIG CAT]

Smack nTalk?

If I can get the sponsors and the time my goal is to take the 2400 mile drive and lay down the smack on Tony, Taner, Outlaw, JakesZ28 and anyone else that want some action from the North West Terrotories!
<LI title=":gun_bandana:">:gun_bandana:


:gun_bandana::death:


better bring your a game.:devil:

[1FASTSS]

Im gonna lay some smack down next yr if this 383 deal comes together for me!

Bring it on bro...Chased and I have taken the title the last 2 years with our old junk against all those new 383's!

You know racin is racin!!!

With the snow on the gnd I spent more time waxin my boards then worry about the car...I just got it home from Byron like 2 wks ago when the opti let go...I'm ready to sell it right now and get a vette with ac!!!

[Chased]

my junk is as old as yours...:tt2:

Battle of the 10 year old motors:gun_bandana:

Bring it old man!!!!!!

[CamaroRacing12]

I thought we were talking about running nines??:hmm:

nonono 12's bahahahaha

na yea cpt has a few cars in the 9's with there transmissions also

[Twisted Z]

better bring your a game.:devil:


Shit I will bring EVERYONEs "A" Game!:laugh:

[quik95lt1]

wait a minute is this like a shootout 2011 smack talk thread........you trying to tell me i missed 25 pages of this!!!!!???? lol

[AChotrod]

yup^^^ ;)

[quik95lt1]

well lets get it started..............i got some plans for next year currently in the works right now.......lets just say this I'll still be an all motor naturally aspirated 385 just ill be sitting in a 10 point cage and a fire suit this year ;) ...........any takers???


and on a serious note..........the trans and converter out of my car is up for sale........any takers???

[quik95lt1]

i cant wait for the shootout this year..........so far its me and tony from up here in the NE......i wanna try and get a group to come down from New england this year.......i was the only guy there with a new york accent last year lol

[AChotrod]

I didnt hear an accent, You must have been hiding it to fit in. You going to a th400 or something?

[Twisted Z]

well lets get it started..............i got some plans for next year currently in the works right now.......lets just say this I'll still be an all motor naturally aspirated 385 just ill be sitting in a 10 point cage and a fire suit this year ;) ...........any takers???


and on a serious note..........the trans and converter out of my car is up for sale........any takers???


I ain't skeerd!:finger:

[jakesz28]

Ellis your just trying to catch up to Tony, Me, and Taner. You still have a long way to go to pass us. LOL. My 23* degree junk may still surprise you. Still concidering on more welding. But right now I'm working on maybe moving to a warmer climate for the rest of the winter and if that happens I'm reclaiming what is still in my grasp before the snow melts at home.